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1:00 PM
You can skip the :'s ;p
 
Sem
@DaveRandom I don't feel like doing anymore 1-man projects. However projects with multiple programmers would be good I guess. A basic SVN repo with some things inside.
 
@Sem Y U NO GIT????
 
Sem
@DaveRandom Because I hide my stuff
 
github != git
 
plx d0 git
we are still on SVN .. and we had a guy merging both a trunk and another feature branch back and forth.. braking all the merge information on both sides ..
save to say reintegration was a bloody mess ><
 
Sem
1:02 PM
@DaveRandom Are there free private git hostings somewhere?
 
@Sem why not just set up your own git server
 
@Sem bitbucket
 
@DamienOvereem this ^^
 
user895378
I don't know about everyone else but I'm happy to see that @NikiC is still alive.
 
@rdlowrey Composer installation of amp still not grabbing dependencies properly (assumed this was fixed with last commit?) - After installing auryn, artax, alert then amp via composer, it still seems to require alert in it's own vendor dir
 
Sem
1:03 PM
@DamienOvereem Raspberry PIs are slow :P
 
tbh "free" and "private" doesn't really exist for anything anywhere
 
Sem
@NikiC I'll check it out
 
Oh hai, perfect timing lol
 
@DaveRandom True, someone has to pay for it in some way.
 
Sem
@DaveRandom I use RiouxSVN from time to time
 
1:04 PM
Meh.. get an unmanaged vps somewhere.. easy enough. Can be quite cheap too
 
Mr Alien is rep-whoring, everyone downvote! :D [don't really - just point and chant]
 
costs a little, but also lets you host other things
 
Also you're still entrusting the host with your data, it's not like they can't look at it if they want to
 
user895378
@Jimbo you shouldn't need the artax client for anything. Let me try -- I'm pretty sure the composer install worked just fine when I tried it the other day.
 
@DaveRandom Mega.com:p
 
1:05 PM
@Jimbo Done!
 
Sem
@DaveRandom Don't forget the giant network splitter Prism uses.
 
@Sem I have old PCs and even a couple of old servers coming out my ears if you want some spare hardware and you're ever in the UK. None of it's good hardware (mostly shipped with Win2k3/XP) but it's fine for stuff like hosting git and dev environments. Some of it is even 64-bit. That's how modern I am.
 
user895378
git clone github.com/rdlowrey/Amp.git
cd Amp
composer.phar install
 
user895378
@Jimbo works just fine ^
 
user895378
The server stuff won't "just work" with composer at this point, though.
 
Sem
1:08 PM
@DaveRandom I got a raspberry PI, maybe I can set up a GIT on it while it is a 24/7 media center as well
 
@rdlowrey I was just using composer and "rdlowrey/auryn", "/alert", "/amp" - that's the stuff that won't "just work"?
Class 'Alert\ReactorFactory' not found ...
(when trying to run amp)
 
Raspberry Pis are for setting up NES emulators on your 50" TVs
 
@rdlowrey thanks :)
 
Sem
Or supercomputers
 
@Jimbo bitch, someone downvoted, lol
 
1:09 PM
@Mr.Alien Haha, not me, sorry :P
 
@Sem It's not exactly resource hungry. Hell, it only ever even does anything when you're accessing it (which won't be very often, especially if it's private). On the flip side of that though - it's always worth having a remote as a kind of emergency-pretend-backup, so...
 
oddly enough, compilation of kernel is not messing with my browser
strange
 
@Jimbo I dun care :p hehe, n say, wassup..
 
@LeviMorrison Shame they don't have a BNF; parsing the parsing rules from a spec is a pain ;-)
 
@all We just hit 70k close-votes. It's not going down fast enough.
 
1:12 PM
@Jimbo users stop after 1K once they get gold
 
@LeviMorrison wiki.php.net/rfc/use_function => Why no?
 
Anonymous
@tereško got time for one question?
 
depends
 
@Simon_eQ you asked 2 questions
 
@Mr.Alien Nope he asked one, He intends to ask another though:p
 
1:14 PM
@Mr.Alien i stopped some time after 3k, because I spend most of my votes in backlog
 
@dragon112 yea wrong english there, he already asked one
What kind of answer is this?
@tereško same here..
 
@Mr.Alien A semi-troll xD
 
user895378
@Jimbo Sorry, my ISP decided I didn't need internet for the last five minutes. Time-Warner Cable is the worst.
 
doesn't deserve 55
 
@Mr.Alien The only sensible answer to that question...
 
user895378
1:17 PM
In any case ...
 
Anonymous
anyway, I'm correct, because that was the question.
 
No it doesn't
 
@Mr.Alien flag it
 
the @NikiC is back
 
user895378
@Jimbo The server is not going to work with composer any time soon. But getting it's dependencies is extremely simple. They're all expected to be in the server repo's vendor/ directory:
 
user895378
 
@NikiC comment would be better @tereško already
 
@rdlowrey Fair enough, just looking for some post hook scripts I can run to automate this, thanks
 
user895378
@Jimbo It's just that the server is still under constant development so things keep changing. Eventually it'll play nice with composer, but for now just realize that the server depends on those two deps being in the vendor directory.
 
user895378
I can't put the server on packagist because it's not a public thing.
 
@rdlowrey Kk, it's just me being a perfectionist :P
 
1:22 PM
I'm too picky to handle downvotes.. takes forever to rightfully assess each one ..
 
@rdlowrey You don't need to put stuff on Packagist to allow them to play with composer - Or rather everyone else doesn't need you to. They can just put this in to their projects composer:
"repositories": [
        {
            "type": "vcs",
            "url": "http://github.com/rdlowrey/Aerys"
        },
        {
            "type": "vcs",
            "url": "http://github.com/rdlowrey/Alert"
        }
    ],
And then so long as they have access Composer will install directly from github.
 
@Danack I did google and find that last week actually for this exact purpose
Then when you do a composer update, it asks you for your user / pass in the terminal window if it's a private repo
(and caches it)
 
@Jimbo Yep - so you need to do that in your projects root composer.json, it doesn't cascade through from other dependencies.
 
user895378
Nifty. @Jimbo if you want it to work with composer between now and a stable v0.1.0 release I suggest pushing a composer.json to the base of the repo. Everything should play nice with composer as-is because it's all PSR-0 compatible and the deps are expected in the vendor directory.
 
user895378
I can't be bothered at this point because it's not public, but if it's something you want, feel free to push an appropriate composer.json file.
 
1:28 PM
btw even if Mr Lowrey didn't accept your composer.json, you could still include it by defining it in your root composer as a package:
"repositories": [  {
    "type": "package",
    "package": {
        "name": "smarty/smarty",
        "version": "3.1.7",
        "dist": {
            "url": "http://www.smarty.net/files/Smarty-3.1.7.zip",
            "type": "zip"
        },
        "source": {
            "url": "http://smarty-php.googlecode.com/svn/",
            "type": "svn",
            "reference": "tags/Smarty_3_1_7/distribution/"
        }
    }
} ]
 
yeah
every real php project needs smarty
 
lol
 
SMARTY 4EVAR
 
@tereško i only create fake projects in php then ;]
 
=/ .. I think I have similar problem
 
1:32 PM
super-related: vimeo's API is crap
 
<font style="0.1em">uses twig</font>
 
user895378
<p class="dontUseInlineStyles">uses PHP</p>
 
@Danack hey, did you just see someone fall past the window?
 
what's twig? is that a reference to the wond you use to magically template? </sarcasm>
 
<dontusefonttagforthatmatter />
 
1:34 PM
@rdlowrey that is what you found wrong with his markup? :P
 
@Ocramius I raise you:
 
<?= "Uses PHP"; ?>
 
user895378
@CarrieKendall I just assume everyone knows <font> is a reject from 1996 at this point.
 
It's what i do privately late at night when its dark... figging
twigging
 
@rdlowrey i was referring to style="0.1em" ;]
 
1:35 PM
<blink />
 
user895378
<rdlowrey everWritesHtml="false" linesOfFrontEndDevCodeWrittenPerYear="3" />
 
come on, you have to write at least 5 to use bootstrap
 
pwned
then again.. he probably uses a framework
why else would you use composter ;p
 
no, he uses bootstrap
to be compatible
 
oh -that- bootstrap ;p
 
user895378
1:38 PM
I'm blissfully unaware of HTML/CSS anything. Why? Because there are hundreds of thousands of people who can do it for me. My time is better spent on hard problems.
 
Anonymous
I'm writing a book on PHP. I'm currently, at the chapter where it says " This page is intentionally left blank "
 
@rdlowrey stahp. You make me envious.
@Simon_eQ end notes?
 
@rdlowrey Lier!
You answered 11 questions with html tag! stackoverflow.com/search?q=user:895378+[html]
 
@rdlowrey Not like HTML/CSS is difficult to learn, and there are some PHP benefits, but I guess that's job dependant.
 
user895378
There aren't any PHP benefits for me because I don't use PHP as a web presentation language ... ever. I use it strictly for programming.
 
1:41 PM
@CarrieKendall background-color: 1px;
 
<div></span>
 
Anonymous
@Ocramius ahh YOU!! I'm not talking to you, until you slap someone for not making the doctrine fixture bundle default
 
@rdlowrey is the spartan of PHP, he leaves HTML/CSS to the arcadians
 
Anonymous
if that makes sense
 
<img src="blank.gif" height="10" width="10"></img>
yes.. I am -that- old :)
 
1:43 PM
@CarrieKendall I'm willing to bet the people in this room who will get that reference without Googling it can be counted on one hand
 
table based layouts ftw!
 
@Jimbo Do you want to see the world burn? You do don't you?!
 
@Simon_eQ guilherme is working on 2.x afaik
 
@DaveRandom God bless 300
 
user895378
@CarrieKendall MADNESS?!?! THIS. IS. PHP!!!! I really hope Manziel doesn't get suspended because I want to see 'Bama go to College Station and destroy him in week 3. /cc @cspray
 
1:44 PM
@DaveRandom Oh, so it was nothing to do with Halo then... /me hides
 
@DaveRandom i beg to differ.. 300 is a pretty nerdy movie ;p
 
@dragon112 I don't know, I prefer to annoy people in more subtle ways. Like <hr></hr>
 
@DaveRandom But...
 
Never seen 300. I don't watch movies much, yet another thing I just don't have the time for...
 
What do you do with all your time?
 
1:45 PM
@DaveRandom <a src="<?=$x?:($y?$z:$x)?>" />
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom some are worth watching imo
 
lol
 
@rdlowrey yeah I am interested in the NCAA's response to his actions.. it will likely set off a huge debate
 
@Simon_eQ Oh I'm sure they are. I just rarely have a whole 90mins+ to "waste" (not really, but you know what I mean)
 
1:46 PM
@Jimbo Why'd you do this to... ANYONE?!
 
user895378
@CarrieKendall a.k.a. an "ESPN splooge-fest"
 
@rdlowrey who would want that kid's memorabilia anyways?
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom If you don't have a super HOT wife, No sorry. I don't know what you mean :p
 
Anyone been following the Manning trial? - Turns out he's a woman, or something..?
 
2 kids, wife, full time job.. still time enough for MMO's and movies :) Just become old enough to have had your fill of programming late at night :)
 
1:49 PM
If I didn't have TV how else would I avoid reading book?
 
Btw dave.. whats with the elephants ?
 
@Fabien you're pitching that to the wrong crowd
 
Don't you dare bad mouth the cuteness of the elephants!
 
@Bracketworks They actually do have a BNF on github, just not on the website :)
 
No way! Just want to know if its the php elephant i've seen earlier
if so.. im ordering one :)
 
1:50 PM
Yes it is
The blue one
 
Mailing :)
 
with PHP on it's side
 
@NikiC We're voting on the patch which has some issues that Stas pointed out.
I'm for the idea.
 
I wonder if that email address worked when spelled correctly ;p
 
tbh though i don't watch that much tv, partially because I don't own a TV license. But some shows are good. Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones and so on...
 
1:53 PM
It is spelled correctly, they are called elephpants
 
My bounty question didn't receive a single response and it expired :(
 
@rdlowrey Unlikely but I'm throwing it out there: do you know if there's a way to get the actual destination IP address from a packet at the higher layers (i.e. not SOCK_RAW)? Specifically I'm trying to work out if a received UDP packet was broadcast or unicast.
 
Anonymous
I have a test on my PHP skills tomorrow, in a company so big, I've wholeheartedly given myself, the certitude of my failure. I'll just practice more, to fail with some dignity.
 
Anonymous
see ya all laters...
 
Test aye?
What's PHP stand for!
 
user895378
1:54 PM
@DaveRandom no clue dude. sorry :/
 
i honestly have no idea
 
damnit, halfway through IDE joke before edit
 
fuck .. i forgot to build world , before i started building kernel
 
@DaveRandom Why are there no PHPurple elePHPants?
 
@DaveRandom You've got mail (probably)
 
1:56 PM
@DamienOvereem I do indeed
 
Good morning
 
@dragon112 omg.. i totally missed the phun in that ><
 
@dragon112 Because I need to buy a carton, so I went with what seems to be the most sought after colour...
 
@DamienOvereem PHPun
 
1:57 PM
@DaveRandom Ah right
 
get out.
 
I'm so sorry everyone
I just couldn't resist
I think I need a time-out and actually get some work done
 
@DaveRandom you ordered a bunch?
 
You phprobably should do that
 
Yeah things are getting a little too ridiculous
 
1:58 PM
AHHH Dave scold him too!!
 
1 message moved to bin
 
:(
 
/me hates lolcatz
 
rollcats
 
^ HAAA that's punny
 
Sem
1:59 PM
@Fabien Exactly the level of lolcat humor :)
 
@ircmaxell I am awaiting payment instructions for a box (50), most of which are now claimed but still a few available if you want any @ €9 + shipping (i.e. cost) or just €9 if you can wait until PHPNW (assuming I have them by then but I will be seriously annoyed if I don't)
 
what color?
 
user895378
@DaveRandom who manufactures those things, anyway? I have this mental image of Rasmus spending his weekends slaving with a needle, thread and purple stuffing.
 
@ircmaxell blue!
 
I have 2 blue ones now, so sorry... 2 months ago and I'd have jumpped
 
2:02 PM
@rdlowrey neh just little chinese children in sweatshops
 
"Like a Japanese prisoner of war" ... "but a happy one!"
 
@rdlowrey I really hope that's what happens, but I suspect it's more likely to be a chinese sweat shop :-(
 
user895378
@PeeHaa That's what they make interns do at tech companies in China. No haxoring until you've met your elephant quota!
 
:)
 
2:08 PM
@ircmaxell I've went through them already
 
thoughts?
 
I like them and think they are very well done but I also think I'll have to charge license fees for the title ;)
 
$5 royalty sound good?
 
@ircmaxell per click, watch and presentation?
 
@Gordon per view :)
 
2:09 PM
@Gordon lifetime
:-P
Or how about this: whenever we finally meet in real life, I'll buy you a beer, or three
 
Wut 3 beers > $5
 
@DaveRandom I am afraid, you can't from receiver endpoint unless sender applied some flag. :( Anyway, if you find a way, ping me.
 
Any day of the week (except for mondays maybe)
 
@dragon112 except in Germany
 
Germany doesn't count
They breathe beer
 
2:13 PM
Yes, their breath analyzers detect sobriety rather than alcohol levels.
 
Haha
 
@ircmaxell Looks nice :)
 
Now, to blog or book about it :-D
 
@ircmaxell how about I'll take the beer and then we negotiate the price over it :P
 
@Gordon +1
 
2:14 PM
@lsmith Would love to see a FIG recommendation that the API is public methods - protected/private not guaranteed BC @mwop @webmozart @Crell
 
Grmbls at people creating Integer, Number etc classes.. If those didn't exist, scalar type hinting might have been easier to implement in php
 
@Gordon sounds like a plan...
@DamienOvereem that's not the roadblock
 
@DamienOvereem Not sure I follow
 
sigh
 
2:22 PM
0
A: syntax error, unexpected '$_POST' (T_VARIABLE)

redreggaeLook at http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.properties.php This declaration may include an initialization, but this initialization must be a constant value--that is, it must be able to be evaluated at compile time and must not depend on run-time information in order to be evaluated. ...

Is my dv fair enough?
 
I don't think so. It's worth a comment, but I don't think it's worth a DV
 
Yes, solution is not wrong. Taking back my DV.
 
Well, do what you feel
if you think it's worth a DV, then downvote it. I don't personally feel it is. But follow your gut
 
It's not worth a DV because the question will be deleted anyway...
 
lol
 
2:29 PM
Nice reason. :D
 
@Leri Yeh I'm going to have to rely on setting a flag in my application-layer header I think. Obviously you could do it with a SOCK_RAW by implementing UDP yourself but I'm not an idiot so I'm not going to do that. I already have a flags bit field so I'll just reserve a pair for that (in case I ever decide to implement multicast and want to distinguish that as well).
 
@NikiC I would think function bla(Integer $var) would be a fine solution, were it not for backwards compatibility with folks that actually use a Integer class.
 
the post will deleted soon anyway ... your vote will have no real effect
 
Not saying that people shouln't have used "Integer", "String" or whatever classes, but thats how it is.
 
I'll generate the online PCI capacitor, that should compress the XML program!
 
2:33 PM
@DamienOvereem how would that work?
 
@DaveRandom I do the same as well. Using SOCK_RAW or any other platform dependent stuff is still hidden dependency and needs more abstraction layers that can easily become real head-ache later (especially, if you are going to port on another platform).
 
@Leri I'm 100% definitely never going to port it because of what the application is, but I also don't have the time/energy to implement UDP myself, especially when it's just not necessary
 
@ircmaxell reading..
 
@igorw How do I say >= 1.2 and < 3?
 
2:43 PM
@ircmaxell Seems a decent draft, although I hate the "automatic" typecast, but thats kinda the nature of the php beast i guess...
 
exactly
 
I'm not very familiar with the drafting process.. any ideas on when we might expect something like this to actually be available in stable ?
 
strict wouldn't make sense in most cases
@DamienOvereem possibly never
 
sigh.. still alot of discussion about it ?
or other reasons ?
 
the crowd is split on it
 
2:44 PM
It's mostly political at this point.
 
as they have been for years ><
Must say I would be quite happy if that draft actually came to be ..
 
@Jimbo - 17 days after my order was placed (when they said 1-10 days delivery) - forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7049 (by the end of september)
 
@Leigh That's a joke - they took on way too many orders at once
Now I feel really bad for recommending them to you :( - it's just a transition period, but still, no excuse
 
@ircmaxell I'm really amazed how many people seem to want strict typehinting
I have trouble understanding that. Seems such a bad idea to me
 
Even room 11 is split on the subject!
 
2:50 PM
@Jimbo I don't know when their new offer went live, but apparently they had 15k orders in the first 10 days. They kept accepting orders when they were out of stock
 
@NikiC Oh?
 
@NikiC it's because a lot of people who end up developing in PHP come from other languages - C++ and Java
 
@ircmaxell You don't think so?
 
No, I think it's a good idea
 
@ircmaxell Strict typehinting (without casts) is a good idea?
 
2:52 PM
@ircmaxell as a rule or option ?
 
2
A: Is this a safe way to combine cookies and session variables to log members in?

Sweetie BelleNo, this is not secure! I can see two major issues with the way you're doing this: The reason we don't store passwords in the database is so that in the event of a database compromise, an attacker can't gain access to the accounts on our server... but this is exactly what you're doing with you...

@ircmaxell Would you add anything to this answer? (if you have time to check)
 
because there is significant difference
 
@Leigh That's crap - I know it's annoying (and they're nobs for doing it), but the servers are top quality if you can stomach the wait....
Alternatively, there was a German one that had prices not as good but apparently they do some good deals too
 
@Jimbo Strato.com
They are alright, but quite a bit more expensive
 
@NikiC Oh, without casts, that I agree with, as long as you're not losing data in the cast (it's a safe cast)
 
2:56 PM
Service is great though
 
@tereško option of course
 
@Jimbo I know, just annoying
 
phpmyadmin up on nginx. Sometimes it's just a matter of finding the right tutorial
 
3:12 PM
@tereško Thanks, that actually helped me because I'm using the old one-use token method.
 
@rdlowrey This guy is just hilarious.
 
user895378
@webarto Who? Imaginary Spinster Rasmus?
 
@rdlowrey YOU made funny.
 
user895378
oh lol. Apparently my sense of humor isn't that well-developed or I would have understood :)
 
WHMCS because f* logic.
So, how was your day so far everyone?
 
3:22 PM
It was fine. Did not have actual work, so I've almost finished find/replace extension for chrome (supports just textareas and inputs, due to difficulty of dom).
How was yours?
 
@Leri Targeting other content may not be as difficult as you think, what else would you like to include?
 
Nice, what for? Had to chase UPS man with Bane mask because he couldn't find address, aaaaand that's sums it up.
 
@DaveRandom The key difficulty is that you have to maintain tags but replace text as it's displayed in browser. Also you should not insert anything in loaded dom.
 
@DaveRandom couldn't this be done with i modifier? github.com/panicsteve/cloud-to-butt/blob/master/Source/…
 
@webarto No, tHe CLoud will be replaced then as well.
 
3:29 PM
Ah finally, nginx simple server is finished.
 
@Leri That's actually not that difficult in Chrome, just XPath for the textnodes in the doc, implement your own string search algo that can bridge nodes (not as hard as it might sound) and target the correct text nodes specifically with textNode.parentNode.replaceChild()
 
@Leri Ah, I see. Would have done it other way but this is cool too.
 
@webarto @Leri FFS. Do I have to tell everyone this again?
 
@DaveRandom Hmm, did not think about XPath. I am doing simple string manipulations right now. Will finish this as is and in the second update/version will implement.
 
@Leri If it's for a Chrome extension it's safe to assume you have it (and it can easily be ported to moz as well). I've not checked the availability for a while but it's been in those two for ages.
 
3:34 PM
@DaveRandom Makes sense totally.
 
@DaveRandom That look liked some voodoo at the first glance. :D
@DaveRandom Thank you very much. Actually, I don't care about moz. There're this kind of extensions. In chrome I found one and definitely outdated one.
 
heh, at my old workplace we had a dev whose gf wouldn't let him look at lewd pictures, and as the nature of the business largely involved lewd pics he wrote himself an extension to replace all images with pictures of his gf to make her happy. heh.
 
@Fabien wait, srsly?
 
seriously, originally he used pictures of all our GFs but we said that's too creepy, so he reduced it to just his.
During development it was kittens though
 
3:40 PM
I mean the persons GF. Sounds like low self esteem issue.
 
Sounds like a bitch.
 
@Fabien placekitten ftw
 
I was trying to be nice about it webarto
 
Oh hugely. It wasn't just female nudity that wasn't allowed either. ALL nudity was not acceptable.
 
lol, I always find it funny when people use the wrong text-formatting syntax around the interwebs; like markdown on Twitter.
 
3:42 PM
I had to revolve his workload around non-front-end stuff to help with the situation.
 
@Leri I have spent many hours wrestling the beast that is XUL, I don't wish it on anyone
 
@Fabien "Drop to GF or get dropped from working here"...
 
She's a nice girl just a bit too ... traditional. The company sucked big time, so leaving wasn't an issue.
Presently their longest standing dev is about.. 7 months
 
failcascade
 
3:43 PM
This is a highly agile orientated site too. So you can imagine the spaghetti-code and learning curve for all new devs.
 
@DaveRandom Maybe it becomes useful when ff os is released. :)
 
@Leri I suspect you meant to say "when ffs is released", I suspect that would be more true to what it will be like
 
I 100% don't understand that whole affiliate/clicksure relationship that goes on between scammy sites and scammy affiliates. We used to untrack referrals at a base rate of 70%.
 
Actually to be fair its biggest problem is documentation (same goes for XPCOM), neither are that bad to work with once you understand them
 
Time to go home. See you later. @all
 
3:46 PM
later
 
@LeviMorrison >=1.2,<3
fixed
 
@igorw That ~ looks nonsensical to people who ever use bitwise ops
 
@DaveRandom good thing version constraints aren't turing complete then
 
yo
 
@igorw Turing Complete All The Things!
(not really :-P)
 
3:49 PM
/me produces a reproduction of @DaveRandom that reproduces a reproduction of @DaveRandom
 
What you do on your own time is none of my concern. Just beware of the Lintilla problem.
 
@DaveRandom haha, yeah, I remember that one :D
can't remember where I read it though, not on the books iirc
 
@DaveRandom I don't remember her, is she in the first book?
 
She's not in any of the books, only the BBC radio version (which was scripted by Douglas Adams)
 
to the torr... cloud!
 
3:58 PM
lol
 
almost forgot that I have cloud-to-butt enabled
 

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