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11:00 PM
you should look in the console window
 
and console? is empty for me too
same for browser output
 
I have this in console.
browser output =/= STDOUT, only avail in CLI
ha
mabye you don't have the CLI PHP binary configured to launch that
 
let me check
SAPI type is CLI
 
which OS do you use?
 
@hakre win7 really
 
11:04 PM
I can't testing against win7, winxp is the last windows version I somewhat support.
 
@hakre not that important anyway
 
well it's comfortable to test in the IDE.
sometimes the console might eat some output.
 
@hakre im using phpunit from cli due to the outdated version in zend studio
 
it was much worse in the past.
that's nice with PDT and PHP Tools.
If something does not work with PHPUnit, you update PHP Tools and all problems are gone ;)
 
@hakre i think i had that installed for a while but then something broke
not sure what caused it though. i had to rollback to a version where it wasnt installed and then it worked
what i particularly liked about it was the pmd and phpcs integration
will give it a new try once i updated to ZS9
 
11:09 PM
I reported bugs when I found them and Sven was very responsive.
It's running stable for me without any issues since about a year.
Over a year.
 
@hakre yeah, i asked him how to change icons for some reports in the IDE and he was quite helpful about it
 
And when I had an issue lately, I only needed to upgrade, it was already fixed.
I will send him some money again, I didn't last year.
 
@hakre :)
 
I love to sponsor the smaller projects.
 
@hakre its generous to do
 
11:13 PM
@Gordon Actually I think that's most often were more of the work and innovation is.
So it's an investment of some kind.
One could always be more generous.
@Gordon: The funny part of live is, when I saw that there is a talk about singletons at froscon, I thought, well I don't need to listen to it, I don't wanna use them anyway. But well, about half a year later I then grabbed your slides and all the info you pass along here and next time I'll catch one of your talks for sure.
 
@hakre thanks. i take that as a compliment :)
@hakre have you been there?
 
sure, I like froscon.
 
@hakre did we see each other? I cant recall much of that day because i finished the slides at 5.30 in the morning, went to sleep for 90 minutes and then had to leave for froscon. i was sooo tired all day long.
 
I think you don't know my face. And the PHP room was really crowded.
 
@hakre well, introduce yourself next time please :)
 
11:21 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we'll meet here or there. Are you going to fosdem?
Or are you more with PHP dates?
And probably I can make it to amsterdam. I guess that it is amazing there.
 
@hakre i haven't planned anything for this year. i'd like to go to DPC but I doubt I'll make it this time. It sure was cool last year though. I'll definitely try to attend phpuchh though. well. and froscon.
 
unconf, sure. I try to get tickets.
And to combine it with some holiday in front of it at the coast.
 
phpuceu was nice too. if the time allows it I might go again, too.
 
I couldn't make it last year, even I was in england, too.
btw, I could finally watch the martin video to it's end today.
It's very good.
 
martin video?
ah uncle bob
 
11:27 PM
architecture the lost years.
 
i still havent watched that
the video wouldnt play when i tried and i didnt get back to it since
i have been watching some vids about DCI instead
 
the beginning is a bit lengthy, shaky cam and uncle bob talks a bit here and there.
but when you watch the whole piece it's worth to watch the beginning as well.
so from beginning to end.
@Gordon the video was down when it made the rounds I suppose, one day it was away when i checked.
it's available for download and the conference folks told to put the slides on their site, too.
 
uncle bob twittered a new one today
 
a new vid?
 
@unclebobmartin tell me you've seen @glv and his talk on this http://confreaks.net/videos/550-scotlandruby2011-real-software-engineering
he RT'ed it
 
11:30 PM
if you have more good video links just share them ;)
I like to get recommendations of previewed stuff.
Otherwise there is soo much stuff out there that you can crap your brain.
 
lengthy and slow paced but well worth it
 
And btw. when you talked about theoretical stuff earlier today, the most smartest part I've read today was: "Programme sind teleologisch, Strategien statistisch, Taktiken lokal kausal."
It's not exactly CS specific, but it maps pretty well.
thx for the links.
 
this one is the follow-up to the aforementioned: oredev.org/videos/the-dci-architecture
@hakre i dont get that one :)
 
@Gordon It's about how Programs (long-term), Strategies (middle-term) and Tactics (short term, e.g. 24h) are related to each other.
 
@hakre well, programs are teleological. ok. so they are purposeful
@hakre but what is meant by strategies are static? i dont get that. static in what way?
 
11:38 PM
I've looked-up how the term is used in english, and I'm somehwat sure it doesn't really match the german usage.
(for the program part)
static =\= statistical, isn't it?
 
@hakre it doesnt make sense to me in german either :)
oh, statistical
not statisch
statistisch
ok
 
jup.
 
doesnt make much more sense to me either :D
in what sense statistical?
 
Good question, that was only the final sentence of a two-page long A3 paper ;)
So hard to describe the outcome. I read it that way, that strategic decisions (which lead to a strategy) are made based on emperical experience.
Quite like the strategy pattern probably.
You change the how based on the scenario.
 
@hakre did you read that online?
 
11:42 PM
nope, print.
 
ah ok
 
I can send you the book if interested, will come this year.
But it's not computer kram.
More for the left-side of the brain.
 
@hakre what is it about?
@Firavun i've countered the downvote you got on that streams answer. i find it unjustified for the reason given.
 
@hakre hmm, nah. thank you :) not in the mood for stuff like that currently. and if it has sentences like the one quoted i'll need a dictionary to understand it anyway.
 
11:50 PM
@Gordon you can't get it currently ;), it's not avail.
 
@hakre still got 5½ books on my reading list right now
 
books are cool.
and it looks like that society actually managed that we have enough to read ;)
 
@hakre definitely
ok, but ill head to bed now
 
I should as well
 
see you in ~8 hours then ;)
 
11:53 PM
well, urgs, when I make it ;)
 
laters
 
cu
and good night
 

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