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11:02 PM
Factoritis
nice
 
11:13 PM
i have reason to suspect, that you are using some different definition of the word "nice"
 
Since most of the cool people are here I would like to ask for suggestions on framework naming. Can name those I chose, but I'm not sure how good are they. I'm very very bad with naming. Due to that I would be much apreciated for help. Those which I thought about are Pify ( combination of Php and Simplify words ) and other one more fun PhpLegoLand ( that says, that it is a Php and is very flexible like Lego and there is a ton of possibilities ) :)
 
The great thing when you don't name is phpSomething is that you don't violate the php license (iirc?) :)
 
@edorian It does not violate it ;)
It is only discouraged
 
ah, thanks. To long since i read it
 
I think you only violate it if the name includes PHP and you are distributing parts of the PHP source code with it ;)
 
11:19 PM
Okei so in this case Pify is better. Also thought about combination of words Php and Simplicity, but calling framework Pity is just strange :)
 
And to be honest: I wouldn't worry to much about naming until you have something that you think is useful to other people and pick anything you like for that time. "Pify" sounds nice btw.
 
@NikiC Ah! That was what lead to the wrong conclusion :) Thanks
 
Hm, I just noticed that the name of my parser includes PHP too. Hm...
 
"PHParser"
Well it's a php parser. The name seems appropriate
 
11:25 PM
Hm, could rename it something like Pharsy. though that sounds like Phar again.
@edorian yeah, been thinking about that too ^^
 
@NikiC Pharser :)
 
Php, Parser and Phar :) You probably should package it :)
@NikiC So Pify sounds nice, doesn't it? I think I'll go with that for now, since as @edorian said, framework currently is no use to others.
 
"Piffy is British slang for dubious, doubtful, suspect." ^^
So, yeah, sounds good ;)
 
Well I have a one idea about parser or even I would say grabber, but it should be created in Java I guess, since it needs to threads at the same time. I could use MySQL as mediator to make it in php, I think, but still Java looks better with my idea.
неясный
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11:34 PM
@Eugene do not understand (both your previous post and the russian)
 
@Eugene , can you describe your framework in one sentence ?
that would kinda help with naming it
 
Agreed: The "mission statement" or call it "existence excuse" is way more important to me than the name
 
and if will contain word "lightweight" , i will hit you
 
Oh, what is also very in nowadays is creating a framework with seventy thousand files and calling it a "microframework" then. Or fat free framework. Or tiny framework. Or slim framework.
 
@tereško :)
 
11:36 PM
Damn, @tereško had the same thought ^^
 
or simple or secure or easy or fast
 
and i would be careful where you put the "MVC" too ..
 
Well currently it is just some set of classes, that work together and allow to create application with specific structure. I think this sort of framework does allow application to work in principles of MVC pattern, but I'm not sure cause I'm still reading about different patterns, that are used in programming. @tereško Not one sentence, sorry. :)
 
Hm, everybody is having their framework ^^
 
Can't say about a speed for sure and how lightweight it is, since whole application is far from done and of while it is not the framework is under development. Actually I think it will be even after :)
 
11:44 PM
@NikiC I've got one too :) .. Well it's a mysqli wrapper but for most people that seems to be enough reason to call it framework so it counts!
 
@edorian In that sense I got a framework too :) github.com/nikic/DB/blob/master/DB.php (Don't sue me, it's old!)
It's all static and uses a good bit of magic :) Just like any good framework nowadays.
 
@NikiC because everyone thinks that current frameworks suck , and they can do better .. can you really blame people for this ?
 
And it does way to much stuff that is already solved with a lot of magic. So that's fine :)
@tereško Well you can ""blame"" people for not looking at their work and realising that they shouldn't just throw it away as it doesn't solve anyones problem
If you are not able to beat Zend Framework OR Cake it's not worth releasing. That should be doable if someone is serious about it
 
Zend is a full stack framework ( not sure about Cake in this regard ) .. you should not even try to beat that
 
Zend isn't a full stack framework
 
11:53 PM
@tereško actually, Zend is one of those that is not a full stack...
 
Zend, Symfony, Yii .. leave them alone. If you start out with an idea "i want a framework which does everything" then you have already made a mistake
 
Zend is a broken MVC component that uses a lot of the other packages. But those run without the MVC component or excessive bootstraps
 
Sure. It would be like enventing a really really bad working bicycle
 
@ircmaxell .. heh .. it sure is large enough to be one
 
I'm creating just to get familiar somewhere about the ground level with diff. patterns used in OOP.
 
11:54 PM
lol
 
PHP framework evolution is just like real evolution - and it seems like it is currently in a r-strategic phase.
 
It has some nice components that actually some more time then they consume (as long as one doesn't look at their implementation ;) ) - Zend_Cache, Zend_DB come to mind first
 
Just made some kick ass french toast. Going to have to save that recipe
 
@ircmaxell lol
 
:-D
 
11:56 PM
Well to late for me to eat. Time here is 01.56
 
@Eugene , if you are looking for patterns to include in your framework , i will hit you
 
@tereško ?
 
@tereško Be careful, @Eugene is Russian. He'll probably beat you
 
ROTFL
 
@NikiC I'm many things. :)
 
11:57 PM
naah , it just means that i can keep my promise
 
@tereško Let us set score in BF :) LOL
 
@Eugene , patterns are names which describe concepts and ideas that are used for implementation .. patterns emerge should from code , not the other way around
 
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