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3:00 AM
Drink every time you read "Xbox2"
 
Also, the original quarian design was a rip off on the Sand People design seen in KotOR.
 
user142019
It's time to sleep bye.
 
"SFX will be developed on a new engine, custom tailored... Yaddayaddayadda."
 
I have the ME artbook
 
Here's Unreal Engine, shut the fuck up.
 
user1357851
3:01 AM
 
@DomagojPandža i thought they made heavy changes to UE3
 
@Borgleader They wrote five UnrealScripts, dragged a thousand Kismet diagrams and put a peanut cracker of lies in it. And for Mass Effect 2, they modified a shader and called it the Mass Effect 2 engine.
 
@DomagojPandža You got that from the post mortem?
 
Oh great pony macros
 
3:03 AM
As for the quarians, I agree, the original design does look sandpeople-ish, i just looked it up
 
@Borgleader Nope, they would never admit it. But they posted pics of their workflow. It's the classic workflow of Unreal Engine - UnrealEd, very elaborate Kismet labyrinths and UnrealScript files.
 
That makes it better
 
@DomagojPandža Kismet is fine if you keep your graphs small, later on it because a mess.
 
@DomagojPandža Peanut cracker of lies?
 
posted on April 26, 2013

Kernighan's rule for optimizations (Don't do it) is good advice. But as with most rules, there are exceptions.

 
3:05 AM
@EtiennedeMartel There were no custom tools built for it, as marketed, people using UDK reimplemented the dialogue system functionality with two UnrealScript files and Kismet days following its release. Also, they posted a graph of the Extended Cut outline -- red handed in their crap of custom tools. It's a Kismet clusterfuck, lemme find it.
 
@DomagojPandža So, you're telling me BioWare hires more writers than programmers?
 
I wouldn't call any of them a programmer, besides one. Derek... What's his surname? Watts.
 
I gotta say I did come across simple kismet/US files for Bioware like dialogue while learning UDK for my project this semester
it seems rather simple to do
 
Gods forbid you use existing tools instead of reinventing the wheel
 
@CatPlusPlus It's not a crime. I'm just wondering why they lied. "Yes, we paid $350,000 for an engine license. AND WE REWROTE THE PIECE OF SHIT. FUCK YEAH."
 
3:09 AM
Because marketing
 
WTB slave artists to remake KotoR.
 
The Extended Cut, final showdown with the Catalyst.
 
That looks like a Microsoft Office application
 
Yes, for presentation purposes. Probably not to drag the UE3 setup for a simple "take a picture, we're working" pic. Also, is that fucking Vista?
 
I had Vista for 2 years, it wasn't so bad. But <3<3<3<3 Windows 7
 
3:14 AM
I like how they go for the drama of that guy being in the way of the projector. Usually, when some of my guys does that, everyone tells him to gtfo.
And here's the shitty writer reviewing his handiwork.
 
I have a man/alien crush with Garus :3 // confession bear
 
Nevermind, shitty to look at.
@EtiennedeMartel Do you remember the original announcement trailer for Mass Effect?
 
@DomagojPandža Vista (at least post-SP1) was fine as long as you had enough RAM. Its single biggest problem was that most people still used DDR2 at the time, so "enough" was really too expensive.
 
@Borgleader They actually managed to get the century wrong. Among other obvious things. :D
The creator of that trailer should be given a medal. It's almost as bad as the original design doc / pitch.
 
anyone know a good rss/atom feed of perl knowledge
?
 
3:25 AM
No
 
omg the old shepard EWWWWWWWWWW
 
@DomagojPandža ugh. and this is why I don't watch game or movie trailers :p
 
The choice of font, the cheesy animation of the geth armature turning to face you, the lens flare behind text and generic stars. What the fuck were they thinking?
The more I think about it, the less I understand its success.
 
Because BioWare
 
BioWare is the most fascinating collection of people from different walks of life who defy logic and make awesome games. I guess it's tradition -- the founding fathers are medical doctors. Augustin Yip doubted his comrades and is now a puny house doctor in Canada.
 
3:29 AM
they saw the bioware logo and decided "they usually make good games, ill try it" and whaddya know it was a good game
 
I'd rather think the game was a success because BioWare. The alternative is that someone got excited by that trailer :S
 
@DomagojPandža Did you hear about the no bullshit box?
 
@Borgleader Tell me :D
 
I read somewhere I can't remember that during the development of one of their early games, they were crunching to keep on schedule and they put in place this "No bullshit box". And the idea was that anyone who put that on his head was basically saying "I will be brutally honest and I wont bullshit you". or something like that. (also they ordered pizza so many times one of the leads stopped eating it for like 3 years once the game shipped)
Mightve been an article in wired, I have to find it again
 
Brutal honesty is a good idea. Cat wears the box all the time.
 
3:33 AM
Its been a while since I read the story but it was along those lines, I'll try to find it again
 
I'm proud to say that I have a pretty good grasp on calling bullshit on my own work and being better for it afterwards.
Most people usually are very biased towards their own work. Ego, probably. Awareness of my cosmic insignificance and the fact I'm going to die and be remembered by 20 people for 5 years afterwards makes me quite impervious to the thing.
 
I always hate my work lol
 
Ha, I guess I have an ego. Realistically, it will be 6 people for 6 months afterwards.
 
This room really made me hate game dev
So thanks, I guess.
 
Why do you hate it?
 
3:37 AM
Seems more trouble than what it's worth.
 
It's a lot of trouble. And worth? Well, nowadays -- the amount of shitty games are managing to overflow everything good into oblivion.
 
Yeah hence, not really worth it.
Maybe I'm pessimistic, I don't know.
 
Some people praise the internet. Before teh internets, discovery was usually just game magazines and the word of mouth. If your game was shit, you wouldn't get far. Nowadays, children take $99 from their parents and stuff the AppStores with shit.
 
eh I liked my gaming magazines and my cool little game manual
Not that my nostalgia goggles are clouding my thoughts, there were a lot of shitty games on consoles back then when I was little.
Just it seems like it's grown a lot more over the past few years.
 
@DomagojPandža worse, they take $99 from their parents and fund that shit on the AppStores :p
 
3:42 AM
Back when Jerry was a kid and dinosaurs walked the Earth.
 
Programming is more trouble than it's worth
 
oh, cat's in a good mood today, he's talking about programming!
 
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A: how could i return an Islamic calendar using java.util.Calendar?

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Also, did you guys hear that the indies got fucked with iOS 6's AppStore? :D
 
puts on fake surprise expression really?
 
3:46 AM
@DomagojPandža what happened
 
Apparently, there's no way to discover new apps if they're not featured or directly linked. I haven't opened the AppStore since Jesus last got drunk, but it is indeed true. If I were looking to find new games, it's impossible. Very useful for established studios, though. They get splatted onto the front page. No indie shit to get in the way. :P
 
Words cannot describe my anger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>:<O
the latest angry birds star seasons
 
@DomagojPandža Wow that's shitty search (I'm stuck on iOS 5)
 
But I kind of like it. If your shit's awesome, editors will see it. If not, try again maestro.
 
@DomagojPandža whee I don't have any iDevices
 
3:49 AM
Fuck mobile market
 
Fuck design patterns
Fuck all these things in particular
 
@DomagojPandža I'd rather not :/
anyway...it's almost 6AM. I should go to bed. and so should you @DomagojPandža :p
 
It's Monday, I need to head to work. :D
 
D:
 
@DomagojPandža When I was a kid, dinosaurs didn't walk the earth (yet). They were just crawling out of the sludge...
 
3:51 AM
have fun with that
 
I'll try not to crash and cause a fire.
Anyone knows how does Steam look nowadays for indie developers? Only the greenlight thingie?
 
Greenlight is probably easiest way
 
4:08 AM
 
I don't have the will to look at that.
 
For performance wise if I install the Ubuntu As my main operating system will the performance of a VMware virtual machines such as Windows or Mac mountain lion I should see a lot of performance Changes In my right ?
I mean basically cause I don't have anything installed on the Windows 8 I usually use everything in a VMware Windows 8 VM and turn on ENity mode
 
With strong GUI-based operating systems, the biggest clog is limited access to the underlying graphics hardware which in my experience has botched most of my virtualization attempts. For OS X, the best treatment is a natively-running Hackintosh or proper Apple hardware.
Don't buy the Mac Mini, that thing is a gimmick and a piece of shit.
 
Offer a lot of testing on applications in downloading and trying out Different plug-ins and programs Start a new image Installing Start a new OS try out apps Even for late plug-ins for Firefox or chrome and will start over virtual machine just to run chrome and With the different plug-ins and stuff try out
 
4:27 AM
am i tired or did that ^^^^ make no sense at all
 
@Borgleader I gave up after the second read.
 
sounds like an advertisement to me
a weird ad but hell.
 
well hes not a bot, hes been here before
and i believe he was more coherent
 
He might have been drinking to celebrate the robot's birthday
 
user1357851
 
user1357851
4:32 AM
the reason for me not being the elitest hacker is that I am not rich enough
 
Dat video thumbnail... so dramatic
looks straight out of
 
Hackers. That word cracks me up.
 
You should watch the movie. You'll laugh histerically
 
user1357851
holiday hacking van
 
Crackers. That word hacks me up.
Wait was your a joke as well?
 
4:36 AM
(Ironically?) Crackers is supposed to be the accurate term.
 
lol, men walking in skirts on the TNG Enterprise.
 
It's classy as fuck, as the parlance goes.
 
user1357851
Meh fantasy would involve traveling europe in a luxurious hacking van with 2 other elite hackers ...
 
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user1357851
 
user1357851
4:40 AM
not exactly a van ...
 
user1357851
But the problem with driving such a thing is that it would be hard to find parking
 
@EtiennedeMartel Friend mee on Steeeam D:
 
Ahahah, the Phantom Derpstorm strikes from the shadows.
 
user1357851
Sometimes the hacking would stop for a couple of days, to the amazement of the cyber police, they do not know what's when we are hiking the Alps, or swim at the spainsh sea ...
 
This is how my cooperative cancelling goes for my Threads:
 
4:46 AM
@Telkitty That sentence makes no fucking sense
 
void Thread::Run ( ThreadInfo* threadinfo ) {
	if ( threadinfo == null )
		return;

	threadinfo->working = true;
	try {
		threadinfo->threadjump();
	}
	catch ( const ThreadInterruptException& ) {
	}
	catch ( const ThreadStopException& ) {
	}

	threadinfo->working = false;
}
 
user1357851
@Borgleader read above, was talking about luxurious hacking holidays
 
I don't know if I should have different behavior for an interrupt versus a stop, though.
 
"they do not know what's when" <-- wtf, also stop editing your thing it pings everytime =/
 
@Borgleader P i n g ~
 
4:47 AM
You still haven't plonked her?
 
@ThePhD FUCK YOU <3
 
xD
I'm starting to have trollish tendencies.
Telkitty is infecting me. Dx
 
user1357851
<3
 
:c Don't be happy about that.
 
Xeo
5:16 AM
mornin
and lol, I got the "Good Question" badge for that silly pet question on MSO.
 
Here's a lovely debugging session that took me forever...

Perspective(stdx::Radians fov, HWND hwnd, float near, float far)
: fov_{fov}, hwnd_{hwnd}, near_{near}, far_{far} {std::cout << near_ << ' ' << far_ << '\n';}

//Perspective{45._deg, nullptr, 1.f, 100.f};
//^outputs 0 0
Except I started with trying to figure out why nothing was drawing, then why it wasn't drawing when using this class and so on.
And eventually you realize...

//windef.h

#define far
#define near
 
Xeo
Okay, am I the only one not really getting what this guy is on about?
 
@Xeo He wants to extend the span of kinds that the notion of type should support. The example he gives is using an alias (which works on types) to work like an alias template (supposedly) when the kind is class template, and not type.
OTOH I only took a quick glance, might have missed the point entirely.
 
Xeo
aha. Since I'm still confuzzled, I'll go wash my head for now.
 
Oh yeah, he gives an example with a metafunction as well since typename would work for kind type and kind template.
It's not unlikely that the OP has played with type systems with a notion of kinds and has tried to translate that experience to C++. Unfortunately templates might look like they sort of work similarly, but they don't. It's a really common trap actually.
Well normally it's people that have used generic types with co- and contra-variance that gets caught in the trap but the gist of it is that templates are very fucking weird and not based on anything from Computer Science. The way we've ended up using them is very ad-hoc.
 
5:48 AM
Hello.
 
But templates are fun. <3
... Sometimes.
 
Most of the time.
Tomalak calls himself Tom in isocpp heh
 
user1357851
6:04 AM
heh
 
I should start calling him Tom then. :D
 
 
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7:14 AM
> An edit was suggested to your post Overloading assignment operator for template class, please review it.
^ How do I do that?
 
Xeo
Just hit "edit (1)" on the post
 
There is no "edit (1)" :(
 
Xeo
@Telkitty Seriously, can you stop posting images that have nothing to do with any discussion, are not funny, add no value to anything and are generally distracting?
@FredOverflow Maybe someone approved / rejected it already?
 
Must have been rejected I guess...
 
user1357851
@Xeo The only reason why I posted pictures at this time usually was because there was nothing going on in the lounge at all
 
user1357851
7:17 AM
How can you be distracted from nothingness?
 
Xeo
Except for the fact that you not only post pictures when nothing is going on.
And they're annoying, not funny, and get on my nerves.
 
user1357851
Then you really have to do something about your nerve
 
user1357851
because this is the internet, internet is not made for the weak
 
Xeo
I'd much rather do something about you. Flagging is getting really attractive.
 
user1357851
I am sure there have been enough flaggings from you that the mods generally trade them as a passing wind by now
 
Xeo
7:22 AM
Yeah, right. Because I flag all the time. Not. Whatever, off to work.
 
Damn, uninitialized data member leading to subtle UB. Has been a while since I made that kind of mistake.
 
3 messages moved to bin
lol, I think I'm gonna repcap on meta today.
This is sad...
 
user1357851
true
 
user1357851
too many rep whores, too few elite trolls
 
@Mysticial what have you done?
@Telkitty you're one elite troll, I think we have enough
 
user1357851
7:33 AM
:D
 
@Xeo hey, you give me ideas....
What did Puppy do to deserve that tag line?
 
19 mins ago, by Xeo
And they're annoying, not funny, and get on my nerves.
Coincidentally that also applies to fucking ponies
 
oh I see someone got to Cat :(
New Rule: Ponies are banned and so are Telkitties images
7
 
morning all
 
mawning
 
7:42 AM
@TonyTheLion What if Telkittie posts an image of a Pony?
 
It's still banned?
 
I thought maybe minus times minus equals plus or something?
 
@FredOverflow then we ban her
 
Why would that be a multiplicative stacking
 
because, I say so
lol
 
user1357851
7:43 AM
@FredOverflow I hate ponies too, so it's unlikely I will ever post one
 
Because "and" is the boolean analogue of multiplication? dunno lol
 
user1357851
generally not fan of herbivores
 
Then post pictures of T-Rex.
 
This is 'or' btw
 
Anyone seen Jurassic Park 3D yet?
@CatPlusPlus oh right :)
 
7:45 AM
8 hours ago, by rightfold
Cat's asleep, post ponies!
lol
 
user1357851
lol those were unicorns more precisely
 
@FredOverflow nope
 
@TonyTheLion gonna?
 
not sure
Did they change the story or not?
 
Everyone dies
 
7:47 AM
> Jurassic Park 4 is slated to be released on June 13, 2014 in 3D
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
user1357851
like you ever seen a creature living for eternity?
 
they just transformed it into a 3D movie, I don't really want to go see it for that
 
It's the same film except with that shitty 3D gimmick
 
I have a 3D TV at home, if I want to see it, I'll watch it at home sometime
 
Which only means they can now charge full price again
 
7:49 AM
basically ^
 
This deserves upboats
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A: Why are Cygwin and MinGW necessary?

rubenvbThis explanation is bound to be already written down elsewhere, but here goes anyway... Cygwin is a POSIX compatible runtime built on top of the Win32 API. It provides a largely compliant POSIX C library, and around that, there is a sort of "Cygwin Distro" with package manager that allows you to...

 
Michael Crichton is dead. If they're making a Jurassic Park 4, my expectations for hollywood drops from very low standards to even lower standards.
 
you had respect for Hollywood?
 
In fact I had to change it to expectations.
 
John Michael Crichton (October 23, 1942 – November 4, 2008) was an American best-selling author, producer, director, and screenwriter, best known for his work in the science fiction, medical fiction, and thriller genres. His books have sold over 200 million copies worldwide, and many have been adapted into films. In 1994 Crichton became the only creative artist ever to have works simultaneously charting at No. 1 in television, film, and book sales (with ER, Jurassic Park, and Disclosure, respectively). His literary works are usually based on the action genre and heavily feature technol...
6 hours ago, by Mysticial
The cat will piss in his pants if he sees these. :)
lol
 
7:53 AM
This is just so wrong.
 
It's a OneyNG cartoon..
 
user784668
@rubenvb Ira Baxter!
 
@TonyTheLion No, it's just the first movie again, but in 3D.
 
10 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
I have a 3D TV at home, if I want to see it, I'll watch it at home sometime
 
@TonyTheLion Oh nice, only 13.5 more months to wait!
 
8:00 AM
@FredOverflow hahah
 
Xeo
8:14 AM
@Mysticial Those bastards deleted my pet question. :(
 
8:27 AM
Damn, I'm fairly sure I have a situation where auto&& r = e; is wrongly deduced (compiler complains about attempting to bind a non-const lvalue ref to an rvalue), but I can't repro :(
 
Xeo
No repro, no bug :D
 
user784668
@Xeo yes repro, changing priority to P2 where it'll stay for eternity
 
user784668
@LucDanton what compiler?
 
GCC 4.8.
 
user784668
@LucDanton 4.8.0?
 
8:39 AM
4.8 trunk that should correspond to 4.8.1 pre-release IIRC.
Oh, the day after the 4.8.0 release. Let's call it that then.
 
user784668
They fixed a bunch of C++11-related bugs since then.
 
That's not saying much.
 
Why does C++ require a cast after a malloc?
whereas in C you shouldn't cast, which I get
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion because you can't implicitly convert void* to T*
 
C++ has no implicit conversion from void*
 
8:42 AM
heh
 
user784668
C is simply broken in this (and not only this) regard.
 
C is simply broken
 
oh, so implicit void* conversion are bad?
 
user784668
yes
 
Implicit conversions are bad
But this one is particularly unsafe
 
8:44 AM
because I guess void* could point to anything
 
user784668
@TonyTheLion implicit void* conversions allow you to implicitly convert the lion to the puppy
 
ah I see, yea converting me to a puppy would be UB
 
it would be ugly
 
user784668
void* foo = &lion; Puppy *puppy = foo;
 
The second requires explicit cast iirc.
 
user784668
8:49 AM
@StackedCrooked not in C
 
eeek
I feel abused
:(
 

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