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8:00 PM
Can somebody fix me a time machine please?
 
I want a motherboard that can take 16GB of RAM and still use the CPU I've got.
 
@daknøk Sorry, no can do until I reinvent theoretical physics.
 
Fuck.
 
@Chimera what CPU?
 
Time machines are horribly improbable. Not only do you have to figure out how to traverse time, but when you go, you have to make sure you're going to land on... land.
 
8:01 PM
@rubenvb Umm, not exactly sure, it's a quad core intel Core 7 I believe
 
@Drise so is quantum tunneling, yet it is.
@Chimera oh come on. There should be plenty MBs that work with 16GB of RAM.
 
Time machines do computationally expensive operations.
 
@rubenvb Probably.... I just have to find one.
 
@Chimera Should be easy to find a board
 
@daknøk so? :D
 
8:02 PM
@Chimera find the socket number (CPU-Z is good for that I believe) and google away.
 
Think about it. You are not sitting where you were 30 seconds ago.
 
@rubenvb Yep, plan on doing that when I get back home.
 
@Drise there is nothing like "relative to the universe". But I am too slow.
 
GGG
@daknøk Fortunately you can send them back in time so they're done with the operations before you even give the command :)
 
30 seconds ago, relative to now, you're probably in some building down the street
 
8:03 PM
I've never understood why a destructor can be marked as pure virtual. It pollutes the definition of pure virtual, since it must be defined.
 
@Chimera There are quite a few, but core i7 has come in (at least) three different varieties of sockets, so you need to know the exact model (or at least socket type) to pick the right board.
 
@Drise in what frame of reference? You're not being clear about these things.
 
Most likely inside of a wall
 
GGG
@MooingDuck doesn't it get a default dtor?
 
@JerryCoffin Yep, and I need to make sure that it is in fact a Core i7.
 
8:04 PM
@rubenvb Planet moves. Solar system moves. Galaxy moves.
 
@Drise relative to what? Movement isn't absolute.
 
@GGG to mark it as pure virtual requires a declaration, which means no default. (unless you explicitly =default... I wonder how that works
 
@MooingDuck Pure virtual doesn't mean it isn't defined -- it means it can't be instantiated, and some descendant must override it to be able to instantiate the resulting class.
 
@rubenvb Center of the universe?
 
GGG
pure virtual is the =0 thing right?
 
8:05 PM
@Drise And where would that be?
 
@JerryCoffin I find that definition confusing. I'd rather that pure virtual means it isn't defined, and destructors cannot be pure virtual.
@GGG yes
 
@rubenvb Big bang place. Idk.
 
GGG
so it is defined... as 0
 
@Drise It's really not that simple.
 
@rubenvb All movement is relative to me. When I turn, it really means the entire universe is turning the other way. Or, maybe I've just been watching the GPS a little too much while I drive.
 
8:07 PM
@JerryCoffin Hey, you're absolutely correct with that. It's just a very egocentric way of putting things :P
 
@MooingDuck That might be cleaner, but it's not how things work.
 
Ok, so the earth is not where it was 30 seconds ago. So if you went back in time 30 seconds, you'd likely end up inside some building down the street, or in the street itself if your time machine didn't have teleportation functions, and did some very precise math.
 
@GGG no, you have to actually define a destructor, even if you have =0
 
@rubenvb I'm nothing if not egocentric. Or maybe just eccentric. Wait, I'm not rich enough to be eccentric, so I guess I'm just weird.
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@Drise not if we're staying in your reference frame. Unless you're walking...
 
8:09 PM
@Drise if you go back into the frame of reference of the Earth's surface, there is no problem.
@JerryCoffin lol
a frame of reference includes time, btw.
 
@Drise oh Jerry said that, not you. Which reference frame are you using then?
 
@MooingDuck Solar system. But you could go to universe if you wanted.
 
Hello.
 
@Drise what part of the solar system? You mean the sun?
 
sbi
@MooingDuck What do you mean, "yes"? That's not trout!
 
8:11 PM
@MooingDuck Relative to the sun.
 
GGG
@sbi What is it then?
 
@Drise seems rather arbitrary doesn't it?
@GGG salmon, obviously
 
sbi
@Chimera Do not mess with the plonk fish!
 
@MooingDuck Still.
 
sbi
3 messages moved to bin
 
8:12 PM
@sbi hehe
 
GGG
Well, I just assumed it was like IRC
 
sbi
@GGG I dunno. I am very sure, though, that it is not a trout-
 
GGG
where trout would be the fish of choice for plonking and other activities
 
Has anyone ever had problems with libtool looking for .lib files instead of .a files for some reason?
 
8:13 PM
@Chimera Stop it.
 
sbi
@Chimera Do you want this gorilla to apply that dead fish to your head?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Why?
 
@Chimera Because asparagus.
 
sbi
1 message moved to bin
 
@Drise It'd be a lot further than that. Assuming we just take the speed relative to the sun, the surface of the earth is moving around 30 Km/s, so in 30 seconds it'd be roughly 900 km away.
 
8:13 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Ew. It's green.
 
Enjoying your power trips?
 
sbi
@Chimera Because otherwise TPTB might become aware of you being underage.
 
Asparagus officinalis is a spring vegetable, a flowering perennial plant species in the genus Asparagus. It was once classified in the lily family, like its Allium cousins, onions and garlic, but the Liliaceae have been split and the onion-like plants are now in the family Amaryllidaceae and asparagus in the Asparagaceae. Asparagus officinalis is native to most of Europe, northern Africa and western Asia, and is widely cultivated as a vegetable crop. Biology Asparagus is a herbaceous, perennial plant growing to tall, with stout stems with much-branched feathery foliage. The "leaves" ar...
 
@Chimera Oh well.
 
@JerryCoffin Ok, so, if you were in CA, you'd be somewhere in TX?
 
8:14 PM
dammit
 
@rubenvb That shit tastes great.
 
@GeorgeEdison Hi George.
 
I linked to white asparagus
 
No really? Are you fucking enjoying your power trips?
 
@Drise or space. or the core.
 
GGG
8:14 PM
@EtiennedeMartel looks like little baboon faces
 
@MooingDuck Well, yea, likely space.
 
sbi
@Chimera No, I immensely dislike having to clean up after you. In case you hadn't noticed, that image is used to tell someone something specific. If you use it for no reason, you get everybody alarmed for no reason.
 
@Chimera loungecpp.wikidot.com/owners:asking-questions#toc1 "The moral is: don't be annoying, and we'll get along. If you are being told you're annoying, stop, and we'll get along. If you start insulting regulars, you're a lost cause to us."
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@MooingDuck It's not the first time he gets angry, right?
 
@JerryCoffin Hello.
 
8:15 PM
I wonder whether time travel is fundamentally impossible because it would imply choosing a privileged reference frame for the relative motion of the traveller and the universe. Where do you end up in 3-dimensional space? Which solution is 'right'?
 
Oh please, get over yourselves/.
 
@Drise Sounds about right. Except that it almost certainly wouldn't just be along the surface of the earth, so you'd either be embedded deep in the earth, or else well outside the atmosphere (i.e., dying quickly).
 
if you can travel through time, I'm sure the movement through space wouldn't be such a problem as you think it is.
 
GGG
^
 
@JerryCoffin Or falling very fast with no chute. Talk about splat.
 
8:17 PM
@TomW Given that space is itself still expanding, I suspect the problem is even worse than that.
 
@TomW interesting thought process
 
@TomW a frame of reference in General Relativity is 4D. There is no problem.
Only the expanding space might pose an issue.
 
@rubenvb I'm pretty sure frames of reference are far more complex than that
 
But that's still fishy in my eyes.
@MooingDuck they're not, what would be missing?
 
@Drise It'd take quite a bit of luck to stay inside the atmosphere. If memory serves, it's only about 80 Km thick.
 
8:19 PM
I don't know my general relativity very well - and I've had half a bottle of wine, so my thought process isn't that clear
 
@rubenvb I thought a frame of reference was a direction and velocity, which is... well, still 4D, but a different 4D
 
Oops. Slightly more than half.
 
@JerryCoffin So you have (safely guessing) 2 seconds of travel to go sky diving? Sounds like an expensive sky diving trip
 
@MooingDuck frame of reference is 3 space coordinate axes and one time axis.
 
@TomW My thought processes are very clear when I'm drinking. The only problem is that other people are brilliant enough to understand them, and when I sober up I'm not either.
 
8:20 PM
All movement is defined with respect to a frame of reference. There's no velocity (speed+direction) without a frame of reference.
 
GGG
If you had a working time machine it would be pretty easy to test by sending stuff a second or two away and seeing if it moved...
 
@Drise Sounds about right -- as long as you get the direction correct, of course.
 
@rubenvb so does that imply that there is a single, obviously- and provably-correct answer to the question "Where would you end up"?
 
@TomW yes, I think so. It's just impossible to visualize 4D spacetime.
You just need to find the right frame of reference.
 
GGG
The idea is that you'd just be moving along the time axis, and your x/y/z position would stay the same
 
8:22 PM
^that
 
GGG
but the problem is that things are moving around in 3D space while you travel through time
so your x/y/z position could be the same, but everything else moved, now you're on your neighbor's couch
 
@GGG As I recall, in one of F. Paul Wilson's books, the good guys rob a bank with a time machine by transporting the money something like a couple of nanoseconds, but never breaking into the vault.
 
@GGG yeah, I get it. I'm wondering whether there are additional implications to that - you keep your x/y/z position relative to what?
 
Quantum mechanics will mess with exact calculations into the past (and the future)
 
@JerryCoffin Sounds reasonable
 
8:24 PM
what's the reference point for the apparent movement of your surroundings?
 
@TomW a frame can move with your surroundings.
 
GGG
@TomW probably like the center of the universe or something? Maybe it's more of an absolute, not relative to anything
 
there is no absolute.
except c, the speed of light in vacuum.
 
except C, the language that will be around forever
 
GGG
lol
 
8:26 PM
I hope not.
I hope quantum computing will get rid of C.
 
GGG
I doubt your time machine would "stick" to the planet as the planet moved... I don't think it would share its reference frame
not while it was travelling
 
Although it'd probably be replaced by something much worse.
@GGG depends on how it works.
 
^---- Looks like fun, eh?
 
GGG
...no
 
heh, I just realized when I said Drise was upset for justified reasons, the one and only guess was "girlfriend"
 
8:27 PM
@TomW C will be around forever in some form because small devices with limited memory will always be around.
 
@Chimera nonsense, there's other languages that can handle that fine.
 
@Chimera and why are those limited to C?
 
Ell
woah :L
 
@Chimera anything C does in that regard, C++ does just as well
 
@GeorgeEdison Looks like something Satan would puke on a saturday night.
 
8:28 PM
@MooingDuck True, but C is the most popular language for small embedded devices.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's the dependency tree for some common open-source libraries.
 
I didn't say C would be the only thing used, just that it would always be around..
 
It's actually part of this.
 
I'm starting to think we need a FAQ for this issue:
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A: C++11 RegEx Matching - I can't get it to work properly

rubenvbGNU libstdc++'s implementation of <regex> is incomplete. See the manual.

 
@Chimera right, but don't beg the question. You can't say it will always be around simply because it's the most used right now :D
 
GGG
8:30 PM
@GeorgeEdison I've never heard of libffi but depending on wxwidgets is really not all that common =/
 
@MooingDuck Agreed, I don't think I said C would be the only language used.
 
@Chimera I'm sure they said the same thing of Latin
@Chimera I edited :/
 
@GGG libffi provides methods for easily interfacing with functions using other calling conventions, etc.
 
GGG
oh wait, I was looking at the dependencies the wrong way
 
I've had a constant headache for 4 days now. Should I go see a doctor?
 
8:31 PM
@GGG Sorry, the arrows point toward the package requiring the package the arrow originates from.
Right now I'm stuck on Fontconfig.
 
GGG
yeah... man, maybe if you organized it so the big stuff is at the top or something
 
@MooingDuck Latin is still around. Something like Mayan would probably be a better example.
 
GGG
it's like a maze looking at this thing
 
Heh... you should have seen me create it :P
 
@JerryCoffin barely
 
GGG
8:33 PM
@GeorgeEdison what are you making
 
I'm cross-compiling a bunch of common open-source libraries for Win32/64.
I've made some incredible progress so far.
 
GGG
ah, cool
 
Shit, did I miss anything?
 
Most of the work is done by a Python module I've written (named wincross) that sets up a ton of environment variables and provides a bunch of classes to abstract the build process, etc.
 
@JerryCoffin to me that implies that C will disappear only when there's no longer any technology that needs it to work. Just like Latin is still around because there are still institutions who study and read it, but Mayan isn't because the civilisation is extinct and there's nobody left who speaks it
 
8:34 PM
Is it sad that I buy a hot and ready and eat only about half of it, just to get free breadsticks?
 
@MooingDuck Barely, but for its current purposes I see nothing replacing it any time soon.
 
@Drise Not at all, and the pizza is pretty good for the price.
 
@Chimera They give a discount to members of the local Credit union: Free crazy bread
 
@JerryCoffin yeah, I begin to recall more places it's used. So not the best example.
 
GGG
@Chimera ahh it's really bad down here
 
8:35 PM
@Drise SWEET!!
 
GGG
sits in a warmer all day
 
@Chimera Er.. well, my local credit union
 
@GGG Sorry to hear that. It's quite good if you can get them fresh.
 
ugh, union, such an ugly word to type. Possibly since it requires one hand
 
Eventually, cross-compiling something like the Gimp will be this easy:
sudo apt-get install mingw-gtk mingw-smalltalk mingw-atk ...
wincross configure --architecture 64
wincross make
wincross install --destination /tmp/gimp
wincross create-nsis --directory /tmp/gimp --name Gimp --version 2.8.1 >installer.nsi
makensis installer.nsi
 
8:36 PM
@MooingDuck Unfortunately the best examples would be ones nobody even recognizes (pretty much by definition).
 
...and you'll end up with an installer you can distribute.
 
void f() { cout << "wtf"; } int main() { std::thread(&f).detach(); }
 
why does this crash!?
when i try it it segfaults
i thought it would just terminate the other thread
 
Something bad is happening with your memories. :-)
 
8:39 PM
before exiting the program
 
@Chimera OMG
Jul 30 at 22:31, by Domagoj Pandža
@Drise Well, you shouldn't sign it if you're his student. That's like signing up for Anal Commando IV, as a training dummy.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb At a guess, your secondary thread is trying to use cout after the main thread has destroyed it.
 
Probably my favorite lounge quote
 
GGG
@GeorgeEdison Neat... how do they build wingimp? MSVS?
 
8:46 PM
@JohannesSchaub-litb Try doing the same thing, but writing directly via an OS function instead, and see if the segfault doesn't go away.
 
Ugh, modified contour drawing
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb I know little of the threading, but it looks fine to me
@JohannesSchaub-litb wait....
 
My coworker's computer's hard drive has been ticking all day, and it's driving me nuts. He's not even here. What the hell could it be doing?
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb what if the termination of cout << "wtf is leaving cout itself in an invlaid state, so when the main thread runs couts destructor it segfaults?
@Drise countdown to bomb
 
8:49 PM
@MooingDuck It's irregular and sporadic.
 
@Drise mice
 
Ell
@Drise I've heard of this, google "tick of death" or something like that
 
@MooingDuck Can you tell me when you are done, I need to ask something small
 
Ell
@MohamedAhmedNabil ask away
 
Consider this code:

ifstream filein;

filein.open("y.txt");
When I use the open() function, what happens?

Does the file stream itself get opened?

or does the object's state change to open?

or both?
 
8:50 PM
@MohamedAhmedNabil chat is asynchronous, ask whenver
 
@GGG I'm pretty sure they use Mingw-w64.
I don't think you can compile the Gimp on Windows at all.
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil seriously?
 
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Q: What does ifstream::open() really do?

Mohamed Ahmed NabilConsider this code: ifstream filein; filein.open("y.txt"); When I use the open() function, what happens? Does the file stream itself get opened? or does the object's state change to open? or both?

 
From what I've heard, all of the Windows builds were cross-compiled.
 
@MooingDuck yea :(
 
8:51 PM
1 hour ago, by Mohamed Ahmed Nabil
int i //declared intialized and defined
i=0//intialized to a define value

ifstream filein // declare, intialized and defined
filein.open("Y.txt")//I change the objects state to open

is this correct?
2 hours ago, by Mohamed Ahmed Nabil
@MooingDuck And here im not intialzing but opening it? filein.open("file.txt");
 
@MooingDuck my question was on the both thing
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil yes, open changes the state of the stream to an open file stream, and so the file stream is now open.
@MohamedAhmedNabil like a door. If you open the door, that change the state of the doorway to where the door is now open.
 
@MooingDuck so the objects state changes to open as well as changing the file stream itself to open
 
@MohamedAhmedNabil you do know the code to libstdc++, libc++, and if you're lucky MS STL is available for your viewing pleasure? If you want to know the gritty details, read the code. If you don't understand the code, learn C++ first, before focusing on senseless details.
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@MohamedAhmedNabil those are the same thing
 
GGG
8:54 PM
@sbi I think I've identified it as an Atlantic herring
 
@MooingDuck Thank you :)
 
@rubenvb Telling someone to learn C++ in Lounge: starbait. You did that on purpose.
 
@Drise that click of death thing looks important :(
@Drise so?
 
does Windows defrag actually work properly?
 
@MooingDuck It's just the stupid hard drive arm
@TonyTheLion yea, though NTFS is pretty decent about frag
 
8:55 PM
I starred it because Mohamed keeps asking questions about streams and it's starting to get repetitive.
 
I seem to remember having run it, and then using a different tool, which reported it was not defragged at all
 
@Rapptz The rest of us just plonked that scrub
 
@GGG I don't think so, look at the math and height/width ratio
@TonyTheLion it works, but has limitations on what it can do
 
GGG
@MooingDuck but Google says so
 
why have you guys been linking to fish lately
 
8:57 PM
@GGG so it does
@Rapptz we use it to signify that we're now ignoring that person
 
@Rapptz Btw, it's fish. You don't say sheeps, nor mooses, so don't say fishes.
 
Ah I see.
 
@Drise one mice two moose?
 
GGG
In some dialects I think fishes is legit
 

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