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12:00 AM
@MooingDuck: huh? I am talking at the firmware level
(mostly)
 
@akappa does anything at the firmware level address at the bit level? Not that I've heard of
 
@MooingDuck I doubt that even RAM chips have that need.
 
@Cicada There was also Latin 1 charset or its predecessor hanging around and Latin 1 is > 128 but less than 256
 
@MooingDuck: a byte is the smallest thing you can address. It is convenient it is a fraction of a memory line, for example
 
@DesmondHume Latin 1 is not ASCII
 
12:01 AM
@akappa sure. But that has no correlation whatsoever to the bits in a byte being a power of two.
 
@MooingDuck Configuration registers. Look at (for example) the layout of x86 page tables for some gruesome bit-level addressing.
 
and you need power-of-two memory lines to implement cache associativity, for example
 
@akappa No you don't
It's just much easier
 
@Cicada: you HAVE TO, in order to have latency in the 1 cycle range.
 
@JerryCoffin see that would be justification for 8 bit bytes. But I haven't seen any other good reason listed. (Though I have no idea what it was you actually said)
 
12:02 AM
That's what i'm saying
It's easier
Non power of two works, too
 
@Cicada Don't you know that programmers like to reserve things for future use..
 
There's just more math to do
 
@akappa isn't that for the number of bytes and not the bits in a byte?
 
@Cicada: for a very funny definition of "works"
 
@akappa It does work.
It's slower.
 
12:03 AM
@Cicada: it works if it is fast enough.
 
@akappa What? No.
 
a 4-cycle L1 cache does not work.
 
It works if the expected result is correct.
Something works != it's fast enough
 
it would be so horribly slow at doing its job that it is like not working
 
It works or it does not. Speed is unrelated.
 
12:03 AM
Hello all.
 
@Cicada Quite a few parts of a CPU have real-time requirements, so the right answer too late is not working.
 
@akappa No. It's relative.
 
@Cicada: we are talking about hardware. it must be fast by design, otherwise it is a broken one.
 
@akappa not working and working slow are very different things
 
@Cicada long time no C!
 
12:04 AM
now playing "Money" by Pink Floyd. strong as ever.
 
@Chimera Hello there.
 
@Cicada Look up the definition of "real time" sometime.
 
@akappa most you can claim is "not effective"
 
Real time means around "fast enough"
 
@MooingDuck: it is a matter of definition. If you can afford running something 20x slower because you picked up an idiotic byte definition, well...
 
12:04 AM
@JerryCoffin she knows the definition
 
we could very well say that it is a broken design, right?
 
@akappa "does not meet my requirements" is also different from "does not work"
@akappa no
 
yes.
 
@Cicada It means delivering the answer within a specified time is part of the requirement for correctness.
 
@akappa by that definition my car is broken whenever I move and need a pickup. But then is no longer broken the next day. Silly definition
 
12:05 AM
computer architecture books are filled with considerations like these
 
20x slower? What's the problem? if the cache still speeds up the program even when slow, then everything fine
@JerryCoffin You're talking CS there. I'm talking general case. Real time = fast enough for the scale of time resolution you need.
 
@JerryCoffin no, that's a requirement for "effective"
 
@MooingDuck: an engine with a 5% fuel efficiency would very well considered a "broken" design
 
Measuring the height of the everest every year is real time
Compared to its lifetime.
@akappa No.
 
We are talking about engineering. In engineering, something works if it does that in a reasonable way
 
12:06 AM
@akappa I'm not talking about 5% fuel efficiency. You said its broken if it doesn't meet your requirements. My car does not meet my requirements for moving. Doesn't mean the car is broken.
 
There's plenty of electrical photocells that have very low efficiency
 
otherwise everything is ok!
silly.
 
Yet we use them and they're far from broken.
 
Ok, we have a definition problem.
 
@akappa obviously
 
12:07 AM
@MooingDuck No, it's part of the definition of real time. Think of a flight control computer. One that decides "you need to pull up" ten seconds after you crashed isn't working correctly.
 
Good good.
 
By "works", I mean "it is not idiotic to design something like that"
 
@akappa Define idiotic.
 
of course we are DEFINING our world, we could pick whatever convention we would like
 
Oh finally.
 
12:07 AM
@Cicada: 20x slowdown is idiotic
 
@Cicada As opposed to Hard Real Time which is a guaranteed latency
 
@Cicada: but this is an obnoxious concept, really.
 
@akappa You're reasoning in the wrong side
@akappa Actually it's not! :)
 
@Cicada: there is really only one way to reason here
 
@akappa I was using a different definition of "works". While noting that I strongly disagree with your defintion, I also note that by your definition you are correct.
 
12:08 AM
@akappa Mine, yes.
 
@akappa BACON
 
@Cicada: you are really a girl, I see.
 
I LOVE BACON!!!!!!!! :-)
 
Oh finally, mysoginy. How original.
 
Goddamn it, people, why do you fight the notion of performance and working. A bike works, it gets you to a destination. But it takes a shitload of time and uses your internal capacity to do work.
 
12:09 AM
@akappa careful
 
@Cicada: I'm joking ;)
 
So am I. Not.
 
I just love girls
 
That doesn't mean you'll choose a bike over a car.
 
(but they have a tendency of thinking they always are right. Even my girlfriend!)
 
12:09 AM
@DomagojPandža agreed with both comments
 
Anybody try out Ubuntu 12.04? Seems very fucking slow to me...
 
@akappa no. Don't do that here.
 
ok. Boring.
 
@akappa Because most of the time, we are.
 
12:10 AM
@Cicada My wife would agree
 
@Cicada let it go, don't encourage him. We don't want to go there.
 
lol
 
And I do most of the time as well.
 
It's time you admit we are genetically engineered to be superior ~
 
@Cicada: don't be sexist. buh
 
12:12 AM
@Cicada I admit it.. UNCLE UNCLE!!!
 
2 hours ago, by Cicada
(i suck at 3D)
 
I hate linker errors
 
@DomagojPandža It's called "hypocrisy in order to make people around feel better so they can provide me with valuable answers" :) and it works
If I really sucked at 3D I wouldn't be writing chromosome simulations on CUDA cards :3
 
hello everyone
 
12:15 AM
(What I really meant is, I don't know how the visualization process works, you see)
(Drawing triangles and that)
But thanks to you I'll hope this will be fixed soon.
I'll get a book.
 
I am not intimidated by smart girls, quite the contrary. I wish more of you would stop running around malls finding yellow high heels and purses, all the while fulfilling their vanity.
 
> implying I'm smart
clearly i've been not showing the bad side of me :(
must. try. harder.
 
I LOVE SMART GIRLS.. My wife is pretty smart and I find it's nice to be able to talk to her about the things I like.
@Cicada OH puhleeazze
 
> Men, because we tend to compartmentalize our communication into a smaller part of the brain, we tend to be better at getting right to the issue, the more female brain (will) gather a lot of material, gather a lot of information, feel a lot, hear a lot, sense a lot
This is so very true
 
12:19 AM
@Cicada do you know who I am? Just wondering because I changed my name while you where away.
 
why I can't make a joke on females pretending to be right, while @Cicada can dump his pseudo-scientific notions on females being better than males?
isn't this implicit sexism?
 
ops :D
her
 
@Cicada i believe that women, statistically, are more associative than men. and that men, statistically, are more visually oriented than women. it makes sense as explanation of many things.
 
(english is not my main language, I'm sorry)
 
12:23 AM
Cicada is prone to ragequiting, mostly related to porn discussions here.
 
lol .... this room is always fun.
 
but saying that women pretend to be always right is not related to porn!
 
e.g. case in point, men's porn is mostly visual (sexual), while women's porn is mostly textual (romantic)
 
@Chimera Wat
@akappa You probably don't know me yet
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I believe that, statistically, men are pigs
inb4 rage
 
@Cicada: definitively. So?
 
12:25 AM
@akappa because we have alienated Cicada in the past, and we don't want to offend people, then when she took it up, it became more or less fair game. So: yes, it is sexist.
 
@Cicada do you mean unclean or horny?
 
Both.
Thanks.
 
hm, that might be
 
So you fear that she outburst in tears because she generalize men in stupid ways like saying "on average, men are pigs"?
 
@Cicada I won't disagree with that :(
 
12:26 AM
:D it works, it works!!
 
Seems like Lounge<CXX> has just kicked off..
 
@akappa no, we fear an outburst because of past outbursts. But her comments clarified that she's fine(ish?) with the topic, so I backed off
 
It's OK.
 
return 0;
 
I realized this is just an internet.
So I make people rage as much as you make me rage in return.
 
12:27 AM
One of many internets.
 
Fair game.
 
@Cicada: it was just a joke. No need to overanalyze it
 
STOP INSULTING ME
 
@Cicada I used to be called Jim Norton... in case in matters... not sure it does..
 
lol
 
12:28 AM
Ah yes. I see now :)
 
@akappa Spell much? :-)
 
@Chimera: it is 2:30AM and I'm sleepy. Please forgive me.
 
I'm just a bad troll you know
 
@Chimera pft, this is the interwebs. we dont' need any of that speeling here.
 
My goal is to offend you
I'm happy when I succeed
 
12:28 AM
@MooingDuck :-)
 
And a little sad when I fail :(
 
@MooingDuck I'm a bit pedantic and a brat about spelling. I admit it.
 
@Cicada Generalizing a bit more, calling people in general (not just men) pigs should probably be considered an insult to pigs. I doubt any pig has ever even contemplated doing nearly as horrible of things as history shows people do (especially to each other) on a regular (and largely ongoing) basis.
 
A troll does not aim at offending somebody. Its main aim is to start a flame based on what he said
 
@Cicada I'm offended!!!!
 
12:30 AM
@JerryCoffin You're an insect. I can't argue against you.
@akappa Well that partially succeeded.
 
oh I'm late. see you all monday
 
@Cicada: but everything came from @MooingDuck. I'm sorry.
 
walks out of shadows /reads chat/ quickly retreats
 
@akappa Good enough for me :)
 
Like a byte being 7 bits, sure.
 
12:32 AM
@MooingDuck Later. Have a nice weekend.
@ITNinja Oh, stick around. It's a fireworks show. Insert an "oooh" or "ahh" now and then to show you're paying attention, and it's all good! :-)
 
ooooh
 
Fireworks, "boring" edition
 
O.O
 
@akappa Hmmm...lending credence to the notion that without visuals, men get bored.
 
I get bored when I can't get something useful/interesting from what I see or read
 
12:36 AM
That's why it's called VISUAL Studio
 
@Cicada lending credence to the hypothesis Cicada = Johannes?
 
guys
 
oh, again!
 
@Cicada That was just a little too obvious of a ploy.
 
lol
 
12:39 AM
"oooh"
xD
 
i need sleep
see you ~
also thanks @DomagojPandža for the opengl tips!
 
me too
goodnight
 
@Cicada No problem, sleep tight!
 
@Cicada G'night.
 
now playing "1984" album by Richard Wakeman
 
12:44 AM
Please don't post pictures of food with that :)
 
you mean the eating habits in Orwell's 1984?
i don't remember them?
 
..or instagram
 
NSA got a pretty woman eye there
 
@DesmondHume Somehow I doubt it's owner is the cuddly lovely type.
 
12:49 AM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Perhaps he's thinking of Soylent Green instead?
@Cheersandhth.-Alf The Wizard FTW!
 
Good night, everyone.
 
Get Lost
 
@sehe Too late. Did you think I wondered in here intentionally?
 
@JerryCoffin :)
 
1:07 AM
Strange how the mention of Rick Wakeman brings back a memory from what must be close to 40 years ago. My brother had just gotten The Six Wives of Henry VIII. The same night he played it for the first time, I was reading A Tale of Two Cities, with lots of beheadings and such. The two went together well enough to form a definitely-lasting memory.
 
?
 
@sehe Sorry -- The Six Wives of Henry VIII is an older album by Rick Wakeman. As you can probably guess, it has some music suitable for a beheading, so to speak...
 
From my experience with his music, I suppose all of his music would be excellent for a swift beheading, please
:)
 
@sehe :-). Well, I gotta go have supper. Later all.
 
Later
 
1:23 AM
@JerryCoffin sry, i was away over in ubuntu-land
 
now next step is to start implementing things (so far only functionality to bring up a main window and set its title) with xlib...
 
2:00 AM
Geez, I hate how half of the Boost documentation makes you guess what header file to include to use a certain class/function.
 
@EmileCormier Most often you can find a link to a sample source. Otherwise, I prey on the test cases :)
 
2:44 AM
it's so weird when you come to check the site and you've just got +10 rep from a question you answered months and months ago.
who are you, random person who probably found the answer via google? what problem did it help you solve?
 
3:01 AM
presumably, one related to the question that was asked that you answered
 
Just got my hands on Skyrim Dawnguard
well, I'll be dead for a few days :Đ
 
Really, €20 four 15 hours of play?
 
I'm a big fan :D
and that's the most entertainment I'm getting this summer, it seems.
Everything else is shit
But I will probably first roll with the gangsta vamps and then reroll and eradicate them.
I can get my money's worth.
Besides, terrorizing people will be fun.
I just rederived the rendering equation six times and tried a billion of sampling approaches to approximate it, there must be something I can dump without it impacting the approximation.
Probably trying to reduce the guilt-trip that awaits me when Dawnguard downloads.
 
3:17 AM
so, is anyone around atm? :)
 
somewhat
 
MG, Martinho & me. The usual late squad.
 
kk cool ^.^ just seeing who was here to talk haha
 
I'm trying to draw on the side, it's vigorous. Really needs a fuckload of patience.
And not getting discouraged by early approximations of the thing you're drawing, even if it looks like shit.
 
thats how it was for me with programming haha
when i started learning
 
3:19 AM
2
Q: Is this predicate valid to delete single shared_ptr's?

Andreas W. WylachI wrote a predicate used in a remove_if call that deletes shared_ptr's of type StemmedSentence from an vector of sentences. The predicate: class EraseSentenceIf { ArrayStemmedSnippet * m_ass; public: EraseSentenceIf(ArrayStemmedSnippet *ass) : m_ass(ass) { } bool operator...

Oh man, this guy is back.
And he's still completely misusing smart pointers.
 
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand he's gone back.
I honestly have no idea what he's trying to achieve with that code.
He's raping the concepts.
 
A predicate that mutates the object passed in.
Pass-by-reference pessimisation.
 
But that's not the right approach to the concept of predicates or smart pointers... So, he's taking in a reference to a shared pointer and then assigns it to a temporary shared pointer... And then resets that tmp?
His ref count is still bumped up.
Bah, I won't even try to make sense of it, Dawnguard awaits.
 
@DomagojPandža Don't try. It's madness.
 
Someone should link him a text about smart pointers.
The problem is not in the question, it's much deeper. In his head. And that's where it needs to be resolved
 
3:29 AM
dammit... the emergency service of our hospital is busy operating
so i have to wait some hours :)
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb I hope everything's alright?
 
He's taking a shotgun approach to his.
He just throws the smart pointers together clearly without understanding any of it.
 
@DomagojPandža it's like someone placed a bug into my ear and it's now eating up the flesh!
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb Holy crap.
 
lol, i'm exaggerating. but really it's hurts like hell -.-
 
3:30 AM
Probably heard two buzzwords and started working with it, but the whole point of smart pointers is to make them cleanup. Stack popping, RAII... Well, not worth wasting one's breath, this is already the second question with the same basic flaw.
Probably has no idea what a ref counter is.
I remember someone told him in the question before that instead of using unique_ptr, he should use shared ones. Lol, probably just bruteforce renamed it. xd
 
@DomagojPandža He was using shared_ptr; then decided to use unique_ptr for performance not noticing it just won't work as unique_ptr does not have shared ownership; then tried to copy the unique_ptrs because unique_ptrs made the class noncopyable; then someone told him to stick with the shared_ptrs.
 
I'm still on the fence with that performance thing... Experts care about performance, he's just bruteforcing something he doesn't understand. :/
 
@DomagojPandža There was zero profiling or even silly benchmarks involved.
No profilers were harmed in the making of those performance concerns.
 
lmao i love old hacker movies xD
 
Even the new hacker movies suck major dick
 
3:43 AM
so many fictional scenes xD
 
Hah, he's reading the second answer that perpetuates his problems.
People are so stubborn.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb oh, what's wrong? are you ill? are you losing blood?
 
His ear was infested by Zerglings
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf i'm loosing my marbles!
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb oh dang! kidney marbles?
 
3:47 AM
lol
 
StemmedSentence is an nested class of ArrayStemmedSnippet and needs to point to the current ArrayStemmedSnippet object. I think there is no problem with that. — Andreas W. Wylach 2 mins ago
Well, if he thinks there is no problem, who are we to argue?
 
@DomagojPandža You just have a hardon for lings.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf srsly, it's just ear infection
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb now playing "Apache Rose Peacock" by Red Hot Chili Peppers (OK, totally unrelated to anything!)
 
dunno that song
Peecock?
 
3:49 AM
it's on the "Blood Sugar Sex Magic" album from 1991
 
@DeadMG I appreciate Terran also. And Protoss. I hoped for the Xel'Naga but Blizzard shot them down.
 
@DomagojPandža Terran a bit gimped at the mo.
 
@Domagoj Pandža: Thank you for your kind suggestion. I am doing that already while I try something out (learning by doing), and I ask here if I am on the right track. Yes, smart pointers are new to me. So forgive me for my beginners mistakes. — Andreas W. Wylach 2 mins ago
Would you look at that, a polite gent.
What's up with SO today, no threats or demands of acknowledgement?
 
now playing "And Justice for All" album by Metallica 1988
 
I am not going to stretch the issue, but learning by doing is a really bad idea.
 
3:52 AM
@DomagojPandža no it's good. you just need a guru that can answer question and guide you. it is ungood if you have someone non-guru who sets your direction or local goals. then all the guru can do is to try to counter the negative influence. so, first principle of learning by doing is: trust yourself, and gurus, but not non-gurus.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf A guru is nice, but he's just bruteforcing it by feeling, on his own. :D
 
in other words, if you need non-gurus. try litb. later you can still investigate the guru's advice and ask @Cheersandhth.-Alf
 
uh, opposite, @johannes
 
According to SO badges, I'm a level 3 guru.
 
3:55 AM
i once mentioned to bjarne that it would be nice with some parallel programming abstraction that covered both ordinary threads and coroutines, like in an old Modula-2 book i once had. he looked just like a question mark. i added that i'd implemented that once, and he looked like he thought i was crazy. maybe.
 
I don't get why anybody would ever want coroutines, ever.
all the headaches of multiple threads, none of the benefits
 
mainly because they largely do away with the most troublesome threading issues, so that Java folks once competed in implementing coroutines on top of Java threads
but in C++, also because they're much more efficient, not just more predictable
at least on a machine with few cores
if one has enough cores, i think probably real threads win
 
in 16-bit Windows the GUI apps were really coroutines (sharing memory)
and I think also on the early Mac, but not sure about that
 
16-bit Windows is the source of capslocked LPTOSHIT
 
@DeadMG I think they're nice for asynchronous I/O.
 
4:01 AM
@DomagojPandža no, that was the Programmers Workbench, or PWB, if I recall correctly. it reportedly had a nice help system. which needed those prefixes etc. to find stuff.
 
I always felt it was the legacy of 16-bit Windows to signalize the size of the pointer as "long pointer to a wide string" etc.
Also HINSTANCE__*. lol.
 
@DomagojPandža 16-bit Windows existed before wchar_t did, IIRC.
 
@DeadMG True, it was extended to be consistent.
But, with all that I can live with. If there's anything I hate more in C++ code is when they use typedef struct BLAH_ {/* content */} BLAH;
Like compilers still require struct in front everywhere.
 
ah well
Wide doesn't even have typedef
 
4:08 AM
Too much caps is bad for the soul.
A system sexy as Windows (7) deserves a better environment for developers.
 
and it's not like "We wish we were C#" Metro is much better
 
MetroSexual Apps™ deserve a quick and painful death.
Skyrim has such an epic feel to it, the music, atmosphere... Just feels right.
 
4:24 AM
y'know what's gonna feel right?
cracking sha-2 like an egg.
 
5:00 AM
@DomagojPandža .NET is the shit.
 
 
2 hours later…
6:33 AM
 
7:05 AM
Can anybody tell me How can I configure KDevelop such that it breaks on any exception ?
 
switch to windows programming? less good tools but far better IDE?
 
KDevelop3 was actually far better than anything
 
7:26 AM
VS is the best C++ IDE bar none by a significant margin.
 
 
2 hours later…
9:01 AM
The best C++ IDE is Emacs.
 
9:15 AM
@JerryCoffin Some people fuck while dead.
 
user457812
I read a book about dead people fucking.
 
I read memes on reddit about fucking dead people.
And I heard songs about fucking deal animals.
Nothing is weird to me anymore.
 
well...thanks for that. That really brightened my morning
 
No problem.
 
user457812
9:33 AM
You should just be grateful I'm not the one talking about things I've seen on the internet.
 
user457812
Cthulhu's got nothing on the 'net. Cosmic horror? Pfft. It's got worse.
 
Fuck you internet. You've ruined everything
 
10:15 AM
^ Carmack at QuakeCon. I'm only in the first 20 mins, but I think it's interesting.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb remember your template thing that no compiler caught as an error (when instantiated with int? Clang SVN gives an error :) (see chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/4790836#4790836)
Ah wait/
nvm
me typoed
aaargh
 
user457812
Booyah Carmack.
 
Carmack fucked up with Rage and "Megatextures". Result was: epic failure and bad graphics.
 
user457812
Looked pretty good on my machine, but then I was using nvidia. Apparently ATI folks were not so fortunate.
 
10:39 AM
 

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