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Ell
5:02 PM
@Puppy *Britain
 
same principle
 
Ell
err
england xD
whatever :V
 
@Puppy but that's the same logic that says a country shouldn't be allowed to vote on it's own local issues because they also vote on issues as part of the EU
 
@thecoshman No, it's more comparable to say that a country shouldn't be able to vote in the EU Parliament and in the affairs of another, unrelated country.
 
@Puppy no, It's the same. Scotls vote on Scottish affairs, but also the affairs of the UK, of which they are a part
The real question is, why don't we have an English parliament?
 
5:11 PM
@thecoshman But also the affairs of England.
 
@Puppy afaik, there is no where that votes on issues that target England specifically, only England as part of the UK or the EU
You are wrong
 
they don't need to
all that's required is that the other areas of the UK are covered by their devolved Parliaments
 
they don't need to what?
You are still complaining about something that doesn't exist
 
they don't need to be explicitly targetting England only.
 
Scottish people can only vote on things for Scotland, the UK or the EU
 
5:14 PM
they simply only need to not affect Scotland for the issue to be valid.
for instance, any issue where the devolved Parliament in Scotland has power and its own legislation
 
and why shouldn't they be allowed to vote on such things?
 
because it's unfair representation
they are getting a vote but nobody they are representing will be affected
they get to vote twice, effectively, since they vote in the Scottish Parliament and then can vote again in Parliament for legislation that does not affect them covering the same issues
 
Then kindly stop voting in any issues that isn't about what you are going to do, as it affects others
well done
 
if they actually did, it would solve the problem.
but they don't.
 
@Puppy The issue is not that they get 'to vote twice' is the fact they are allowed to have exceptions
They are not automatically exempt from everything
I do agree that the very idea of exceptions, does somewhat undermine the notion of having a union
 
5:18 PM
the problem isn't having exceptions if they were simply barred from voting on issues where exceptions were present
 
But at the same time, I think allow exceptions, to some extent, is required to make such unions work
Ah now, that's a more concrete issue. You don't like they get to vote about legislation for which they are already exempted. That's a more nuanced problem
 
that's the exact problem that I was describing.
 
Ell
@thecoshman just to clarify then, you wouldn't be against a particular vote which only representatives for the english could vote on?
 
@Ell if it was only the English who would be subjected to it, then I don't think I would be against that.
 
personally I would rather get rid of the devolved Parliaments
 
5:20 PM
Otherwise, we are talking about sactions
I think the devolved Parliaments can server a good purpose, helping resolve smaller more local issues faster and helping raise larger issues that require a larger co-ordination
 
they're not local enough to really be faster
 
what aren't?
 
devolved parliament
 
If you had said the issues, I could accepted that
we have a valid need for local councils/parliaments
Do you really think it a valid use of UK ministers time to decide is Mr Privates headge is too high?
 
it's also not a valid use of the devolved Parliament
 
5:25 PM
Do you really think a village council has the time/money/skills to even contemplate global warming
 
UK Parliament can do that
 
My point is that there is an appropriate scale of council/parliament for everything. Personally, and I admit I've not studied enough of what the SMPs have worked on, think that that scale is useful, though perhaps maybe too large. But counties are clearly too small. There is need, I am sure, for a middle ground.
Any way, home time :D
 
 
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Ell
6:50 PM
> Use Lisp syntax, which means doubling backslashes and using \\\\ to match a literal backslash.
I hate regexps in emacs :V
 
@Ell I agree.
 
Ell
using string syntax is much better
 
Ven
7:09 PM
@Ell use Common Lisp where you can get a real syntax
 
UK topic is finally over,.,. unbelievable
 
8:17 PM
This is spiffy, but highly unlikely to be what people need, IYAM: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/31653bbd316a795bsehe 25 secs ago
@ProblemSlover You want me to revive it. Ok. Can do!
@thecoshman Planet to council: "You've been warmed!"
 
@sehe oh now really ¬_¬
 
@BartekBanachewicz my stats i.imgur.com/VTEkkR4.png /cc @ProblemSlover
I never just downvote for the sake of it or to "punish". I downvote if the question is really /and/ cannot be helped (or the OP has shown refusal to improve it)
Obviously, I downvote bad or wrong answers. Very rarely I downvote answers that were just posted as duplicates on highly voted questions (because that's rep-whoring and they shouldn't get upvotes from any passers by who don't pay attention to the history of the post)
 
9:18 PM
Dajum. Couldn't even be bothered to get the formatting right
 
9:40 PM
@sehe I just checked and I almmost never downvote anything apparently.
 
You're just lazy :)
TBH You're not, but I never noticed you as a very avid SO enthusiast?
 
~3000 vs. ~60
 
There was this period of time when you were rising at the firmament. You were really fast, but it lasted shorter than with most, I guess
 
@sehe I generally just upvote the question I need and the answer(s) that helped me, but don't bother checking whether the other ones are actually wrong.
@sehe That's because I was on internship and had nothing better to do.
I did the same on CodeReview during the following internship.
 
:)
 
9:42 PM
You can totally spot the internships if you look at the graphs in my network profile x)
I'm waaay too lazy to try my hand at repwhoring again.
Nbody will have a more impressive progression than Andy anyway :p
 
True. Well, except maybe Mysticial, who has been the best at spotting and monetizing, IYAM
 
@rightfold Have you heard of top-down operator precedence parsers? They make expression parsing really nice:
 
Fair enough.
 
fun subexpression(outerPrecedence: Int): Expression {
    val nullDenotation = nullDenotations[current] ?: illegalStartOf("expression")

    return subexpression(with(nullDenotation) { this@Parser.parse(consume(token)) }, outerPrecedence)
}

tailrec fun subexpression(left: Expression, outerPrecedence: Int): Expression {
    val leftDenotation = leftDenotations[current] ?: return left
    if (leftDenotation.precedence <= outerPrecedence) return left

    return subexpression(with(leftDenotation) { this@Parser.parse(left, consume(token)) }, outerPrecedence)
 
@fredoverflow All the time, it's the simple approach for PEG.
I disagree with "really nice" though because the precedences are spread across multiple rules (or functions if you view them as that)
 
9:51 PM
@sehe You can always define them at some central point and use them from everywhere else...
 
How? If it's functions, there's no such thing unless FP (firstclass functions).
@fredoverflow IRTA "detonation". Much more fun. What I'm seeing there is not my idea of "elegant". But maybe I can't see through the idiosyncrasies of the particular language there
 
@sehe I meant just simple symbolic constants like enum { PRECEDENCE_TIMES = 140, PRECEDENCE_PLUS = 130, ... };
 
10:18 PM
youtube-dl is awesome!
 
nwp
and it works with playlists too!
 
@wilx yes
 
Yeah. It manages to d/l video using dash manifest from fragments. Awesome. I can now watch Czech national TV programmes offline.
 
> While everyone's situation is different — not everybody can move back home, and not everybody will have a small rental property gifted to them — Horton's willingness to ditch an expensive city like DC to move back to the Midwest, cut down living costs, and increase her earning power by purchasing more real estate helped her pay off a mountain of debt in just three years, when it may otherwise have taken a decade or more.
Right, because anyone can just buy real estate.
 
user1804599
lol this guy in The Office got fired for trying to quit
 
10:30 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Ebony, how fitting.
@EtiennedeMartel Also, she did not repay it on her own, her husband helped.
 
@wilx Also her mom gave them a fucking condo.
And a job.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah.
 
So much of your success in life correlates with the success of your parents. And then these lucky peeps go off and claim it's all pure "effort" and "skill".
 
I am glad our school system is mostly free.
 
Not saying she didn't work hard. But if she didn't get that head start? She'd be boned right now.
 
10:34 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I bet she get boned every night! :D
 
Huehuehue
@wilx Education is one of those things that must be as cheap as possible. Educated people with few debts tend to pay a lot of taxes and consume a lot of goods. Drives the economy, ya know.
 
200k is a lot of student debt.
 
I got out of university with 2.5k of student debts. But that's mostly because education here is cheap, and there's a lot of good paid internships to be had in CS.
I had it easy through no particular effort of my own. I was simply born at the right place at the right time, and liked doing something that is in high demand.
All luck no skill the best kind of merit.
 
0k student debts here. Got it all for almost free.
 
@EtiennedeMartel At the very least, it's free up through high school in the US. Free college is something that's harder to achieve since qualified professors are expensive since you need to compete with the industry.
 
10:41 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Don't undervalue yourself. The time invested in practising programming on your own in your own free time is effort.
 
@Mysticial Jeez I wonder how Canada does it.
 
@wilx But it's sheer luck that there's demand for your passion.
 
@EtiennedeMartel How do they do it?
 
At least that's how I felt.
 
@Mysticial The government pays for it.
Seriously free college is "harder to achieve" because the US culturally assumes that education is an individual responsibility rather than a social one.
It's an ideological choice, not an economical one.
@wilx What Morwenn said. I'm paid well because my passion is in high demand, and I didn't do anything special for things to be that way. It just happens to be good for me.
 
10:45 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Is that just basic college or does it go all the way into full specialization like med-school and stuff? I mean, if the cost is 100k per person, that's a pretty heavy burden on taxpayers. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the idea of free college. But I'm having trouble getting the numbers to add up.
 
@Mysticial It's not exactly free, but it's wayyy cheaper that what you'd expect in the US, and it doesn't get really more expensive as you go up. I guess having more people in med school is seen as a useful investment.
 
@Mysticial Here, ČR, everything is free, even med school. You get to pay only if you take longer than the prescribed course time.
At least in the state universities. Of course there are commercial universities and schools where you have to pay.
 
@Mysticial Here I went to an engineering school and also got a reasearch master without paying 100€ a year.
Only private schools aren't almost free.
Well, same as wilx it seems.
 
In Quebec there's a cap to how much a university can charge per credit.
 
@Morwenn Europe master race! :D
 
10:49 PM
They tend to bundle all sorts of things into "ancillary fees" though.
But tuition itself is at most ~2.5k per term.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Tuition was around 15k/quarter where I went. 3 quarters a year.
 
@wilx :D
 
Back when I was in university I think I spent 1.5k/quarter.
 
So my parents burned around 200k to put me through college.
 
@Mysticial 3 quarters a year? WTF?
 
10:51 PM
Imagine if the government had paid for that tuition on the grounds that they could then subsequently get more than that back by taxing your overpaid ass.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Amusingly, in the UK it does not seem that they can do that, which leads me to the conclusion that much of our education is not worth it
 
@wilx There's 4. But summer quarter is just for summer school.
 
@Mysticial Ah, OK. :)
 
Here a "term" is defined as 15 weeks.
 
11:04 PM
So, apparently, Trump's adviser Kellyanne Conway mentioned surveillance through microwave ovens and everybody's reaction is how silly of an idea it is.
With Internet of --shit-- things, I do not find it that unreasonable, especially after the recent leaks about CIA surveillance. If your microwave oven is voice activated and connected to Internet, why could it not be hijacked?
Am I the only one?
 
Who said it was connected to anything?
 
How do I do strike through again?
 
nwp
@wilx 3 -
 
@nwp Oh, thank you.
 
Is it possible that the camera guy just has a really good flash? — Jan Dvorak 23 hours ago
 
11:40 PM
@jaggedSpire hi
 
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