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11:05 PM
@rightfold Um... no.
 
user1804599
Yep.
 
user1804599
Taking away someone's reasoning capability is sick
 
user1804599
It's absolutely sickening that people do this
 
nwp
forbidding people from talking about certain ideas is pretty sickening too though
 
You fuckers need to establish the boundary conditions for your conversation. I'm a Christian by definition, we have a state church (more or less). About 3.5% of my fellow citizens is active in said state church.
 
11:18 PM
tbh that's a lame fandom
 
Hey
Does anybody remember how to do static value parameterization with templates?
 
Ell
@VermillionAzure you mean like template <int widget_count> class widget_factory { ... };?
 
@Ell I guess?
template <typename Out, typename T>
Out& print(Out& left, T right) {
    left << right;
    return left;
}
I want to remove Out& from the arguments and just provide std::cout as the template argument
 
nwp
@CaptainGiraffe christian by definition makes no sense. You can choose your religion.
 
Ell
@VermillionAzure eh I'm confused
if you know the type, why use a template?
 
11:20 PM
@Ell in other words
 
@VermillionAzure Just overload it?
 
print<std::cout>(int{1})
 
Ell
Oh, you can't do that
 
But how can I do that?
 
Ell
you can't :P
 
11:21 PM
C++ is not Haskell.
 
Ell
and you can't do that in haskell even
 
No what I want to do is this:
 
Ell
probably with GHC extensions you can
 
template <typename NodeData, typename OutStream>
class PrintTree : public shaka::IEvaluatorStrategy<NodeData> { ... }
 
11:22 PM
@nwp I've personally made no such choice. If asked I'd say Christian. If inspected You'd see no church going, no praying, no reasoning to the good book.
 
In other words, I want to choose, at compile time, which ostream to output to.
 
Ell
eh I don't get it still
@VermillionAzure can you write an SSCCE?
 
nwp
@CaptainGiraffe why do you identify as a christian if you are not christian?
 
Ell
@CaptainGiraffe so you're not christian? :P
 
11:23 PM
@nwp It's not my identity. It is an easy to go to label.
 
Ell
this good enough?
 
nwp
@CaptainGiraffe I don't understand.
 
@Ell Am I a religious man? No, not at all. Do I contest religious values? Yep.
 
Ell
@CaptainGiraffe oh I see what you mean
I would put myself in the same boat
I wouldn't call myself a christian though
 
nwp
@CaptainGiraffe Also my government is pretty christian with a christian party on top. I consider that one of the biggest flaws in my state and a big danger to democracy. I would never consider that as indication that I should identify as a christian.
 
11:26 PM
@Ell It's more of a convenient label.
 
Ell
@CaptainGiraffe I don't think it's an accurate label
I wouldn't label myself at all I guess
 
I agree with both of you. The label I'm talking about is for practical purposes. Lets say at the US customs =)
 
Ell
I see
Do they have an atheist label there?
 
Not the last time I checked (non-denominational was a choice).
 
Ell
I guess I'd tick that
 
11:38 PM
I'm firmly against religion in all forms
I got 99 problems and the existential dread is definitely one, but at least I don't pretend everything's happy
 
@Puppy which religion would that be
 
existential dread or everything's happy?
 
the latter
 
@sehe "Hare Krishna"? What are they called?
 
nwp
11:40 PM
 
@sehe I'll go with any that involve "Go to heaven for eternity after death"
 
Ell
@набиячлэвэли well who'd'a thunk it
I forgot you could pass references into templates
 
I forgot whether you couldn't
so I did it
and it worked
 
@nwp I'm not seeing the "everything is happy" part
@Puppy Ah. That explains. I was wondering what was the happy part about the religion
 
Ell
it has to have external linkage though, or something. right?
 
11:42 PM
@sehe @Morwenn WOW youtu.be/NMKOY9hZEd8
 
@Ell less useful than the print(std::cout, 1) alternative
 
@orlp seent it :)
 
@VermillionAzure Of course you can do that. You just pass std::cout as a non-type template argument.
 
I love the transition at 0:08
 
hello
 
11:43 PM
@orlp Turned out more interesting than anticipated
 
Oh, catching up a bit more, I see that was already posted. Sorry.
 
nwp
@sehe "Whatever happens, god has a plan and everything will be ok"
 
oh this is the full video
 
@nwp well. That's quite remote from "happy" but yeah, Puppy sorta explained
 
11:45 PM
unicorns - look like ass, eat only grass
 
@sehe I apologize for the facebook link: facebook.com/SavantOfficial/videos/1357030367695232
 
Guys, does anybody here what tools can I use to automate an online mobile app?
 
@Shoe Automate what?
 
@wilx User actions: swipe, touch, etc...
 
Ell
11:51 PM
@Shoe is it a web app?
 
@Ell No, android app
 
@blelbach 0 (but I'm not going to sign up for Twitter to tell you that).
 
Ell
Hmm
 
Eh, I wish web app
 
See, my students explained to me the frustrations of debugging. Then they found the solution. This makes me happy.
 
nwp
11:52 PM
@blelbach that is evil
 
@blelbach just fix the initial value :)
@nwp that means c++ is evil
 
I should've made it less obvious
Or put what "should" the value be
 
or you should have fewer c++ friends
Have some PHP friends. They'd happily get it wrong :)
 
@sehe Are you saying he has friends (of any sort)?
 
Yes
 
11:54 PM
The standard doesn't currently specify, but it's 0 on all implementations.
 
Ell
@blelbach 1
 
And I think I realize that every lecture is more and more a bragging session on how well I can explain this stuff.
 
Ell
ah
is it 0 because it converts 0.5 to an int?
 
@Ell Personally I initially believed we should make it 1.
@Ell on most implementations, yes, because the accumulation object is of the same type as the initial value, which is int here.
 
Ell
@blelbach I'm not entirely interested what it should be
 
11:56 PM
 
Ell
I would be more interested in the generic version
@Telkitty you have captured some magpies? :O
 
when bird stalks ...
@Ell they are outside window, expecting to be fed
 
Ell
one of them is on your sofa though? :P
or do you have sofas outside?
 
yeah
 
Ell
I suppose you have the weather to :3
@blelbach reconsidering, I think it should be 1
 
11:58 PM
old sofa, will be thrown away when the council collects furniture in May
 
Ell
it should be consistent with the general version
 
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