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12:07 AM
@Telkitty Gross.
 
ikr ...
 
@Telkitty if you don't know what happened, what should make it suspect?
 
because young/middle aged people generally just don't drop dead for no reasons, it's statistics
 
Context. You gave none.
 
yeah the reason is they died
 
12:18 AM
there are also plenty of cases where people were poisoned and their deaths were treated as no suspicious until years later the murderer was caught doing something similar
 
so. You still failed to give any context that would make an unobserved death suspect. Now that you have, adding anecdotes doesn't add anything
 
So, I'm get ::bad_alloc errors on the GPU because of memory fragmentation. I'm almost certain that the system has free memory. Whats a good fix?
 
@Mikhail A hammer?
 
other solutions would have included downloading more RAM
 
download more hammers
 
12:35 AM
@LucDanton Forget downloads. Go to the bar and get hammered.
 
@Mikhail defragment your computer
 
These solutions are bullshit, most of the memory fragmentation issues went away after I closed a few tabs in Firefox.
fuck how do people write actual code
 
@Mikhail Poorly, as a general rule.
 
I'm pretty sure a RAD750 wouldn't have this issue.
 
@Mikhail Memory fragmentation is a matter of the heap manager, not the processor.
But in the end, you're probably right. On a RAD 750, it probably doesn't arise, because they probably don't use a heap.
 
12:48 AM
That's fucking bullshit. Memory fragmentation happens when a 20GeV particle causes a lattice displacement effect in the MRAM.
btw, any discussion about the RAD 750 is strictly non-ITAR
 
@Mikhail lol
How big are your allocations?
@LucDanton So GW2 isn't quite dead yet it seems (also reminded me that the community in that game is really great)
 
@AldwinCheung 10 to 20 megabytes
 
Guys, a hammer is only a few dollars.
 
@Mikhail If you're certain the issue comes from fragmentation, you could always write your own allocator
 
@AldwinCheung I think you forgot about the megaserver system, every part of the game is full wherever you go
even wvw gets world links
 
1:01 AM
@Mikhail Another option is to simply use UVA and oversubscribe the GPU, and let the driver page in / page out stuff on demand
 
What is UVA. I'm getting the failures in thrust, specifically on .resize()s.
 
Unified Virtual Addressing but if you're using thrust then nvm.
@Mikhail Ok, that's weird.
 
Its actually quite common, SO is littered with dozens of posts about this issue (for example stackoverflow.com/questions/17877367/…;. None of the fucking posts give a solution except "allocate less ram" (which is bullshit because over half the device is free...). I'm thinking the allocations need to be somehow performed sequentially but fuck. Why do I have to write more code.
another solution is to put a deviceSynchronize() which seems to somehow help with the memory fragmentation, or maybe I'm going crazy.
 
1:18 AM
article is a bit old ... I suspect that by now, the bear has become a genius
 
unbearable
 
man vs wild (beasts that like to steal human food)
 
1:34 AM
... troller
 
1:48 AM
I spent a solid hour trying to solve problem in this old piece of code, then realised that it's not used anywhere ~_~
 
@Borgleader old
 
@Mikhail is this what a bad trip looks like
 
 
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3:40 AM
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'waiting to hear from you'
 
 
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6:10 AM
err, trying to access my VPS but is getting 'refused to connect' error
couldn't get live support so sent an email ...
 
@wilx you will live Sean Spicer's approach to language twitter.com/GQMagazine/status/829344551965822976
 
@Telkitty why VPN? did you move to China?
ah, sorry
 
Support is quick in response, but I was told that the site is running fine. Nope, it's not ...
their live chat is not on, otherwise it would be easier - email response is not not preferred method of solving live site issues
 
6:35 AM
problem solved
 
7:04 AM
China state run XinhuaNewsAgency is concerned about the fate of Assange.. Realllly?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-02/08/c_136040556.htm
 
7:20 AM
Sup guise
 
7:44 AM
@ProblemSlover I didn't realize Ecuador's First Minister worked at Xinhua News Agency
 
7:55 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Live? Love?
 
Right.
Inimpulintation is my favourite.
 
to be fair pubic speeching is intents
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh! Now I see what you did there! :)
 
ScY
8:39 AM
morning europe
 
8:55 AM
@Telkitty Literal tel-kitty. :)
 
9:20 AM
WTF… My operator= has some crazy SFINAE logic, but if I remove it and enable_if<is_assignable<…>> to pull the result out of thin air, it works perfectly.
 
@LucDanton I wouldn't wish to be standing in his shows
@wilx Always the patient wilx
 
Ohhhh got it. Just had to say something in a chatroom I guess :P
 
@sehe Hey! I don't dis you for being a bear either!
 
That's very considerate by your standards :)
lol
 
@orlp I ended listening to it several times until it was time to sleep yesterday x)
 
9:26 AM
@sehe I am a nice guy! I don't dis people for what they cannot change!
 
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Q: Branching on constexpr evaluation / overloading on constexpr

gnzlbgThe setup: I have a function that uses SIMD intrinsics and would like to use it inside some constexpr functions "transparently". For that, I need to make it constexpr. However, the SIMD intrinsics are not marked constexpr, and the constant evaluator of the compiler cannot handle them. I tried...

Any help would be appreciated, this is kind of the thing somebody here would now.
 
@Columbo other languages aren't retarded if that's what you meant
 
9:48 AM
What I learned today... Python suck at recursion, python is slow and only fast when code is run in the C runtime
 
nwp
Obviously having a snake bite its tail is not as fun in practice.
 
@gnzlbg What are the function parameter types?
 
nwp
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I thought the general rule was that if you care about runtime performance you don't pick python.
 
I think it can be done for some cases, even if not in general.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes float*
 
9:52 AM
Damn.
 
I can probably switch to float&
 
Wait, actually.
 
@nwp you cant always choose
 
Any pointers will do, I think.
 
or maybe make it "pure" by using float[4] or something
 
9:52 AM
DECIMAL_DIG might be deprecated in C2x. So exciting.
 
Xeo
Might be able to decltype-test if throw or reinterpret_cast is allowed or something?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes even if it doesn't work for all types, finding a solution that sometimes work would be already cool
I don't think this can be "trivially" done, so... anything is better than nothing
 
There is a valid_expr(xxxx) thing that makes bools right?
 
yes but that detects whether an expression is a constant expression
this question is about detecting whether the current context is being evaluated inside a constant expression
 
And if the parameters are constant, that's good enough, no?
 
9:54 AM
no, because constexpr functions can also be executed at run-time
 
so I want to use a simd intrinsic if the function is being executed at run-time
but something else if its being executed at compile time
 
Who cares if the arguments are constants?
 
even if the parameters are constant folded, the function might still be executed at run-time right?
 
Yeah, but that's when you throw away your compiler.
 
9:55 AM
i think that might work
most of the time at least
 
If I call a constexpr function with constant arguments, I really don't expect any call at runtime.
 
gcc has an intrinsic
__builtin_constant_p
You can use the built-in function __builtin_constant_p to determine if a value is known to be constant at compile time and hence that GCC can perform constant-folding on expressions involving that value.
 
WTF, I made some stupid change in the std::vector docs.SO page ages ago and now I'm being spammed with notifications of any all activity on that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes let me know when you post it as an answer
that should at least work for gcc
 
I'm a bit busy to expand on the basic idea now.
 
10:01 AM
I'll give a hint in case somebody wants to expand on it
@VittorioRomero suggested a similar question that uses __builtin_constant_p but I dismissed him -.-
 
10:30 AM
btw guys
the hearing in the appeals court is gold
@R.MartinhoFernandes the transcript wouldn't come even close to cutting it
it's hilarious
(12:50-13:30)
 
10:56 AM
> The so-called "3.5 inch floppy disk" (ISO 9529) is in fact a fully metric design, originally developed by Sony in Japan. It was first introduced on the market as the "90 mm floppy disk", and it is exactly 90 mm wide, 94 mm long, and 3.3 mm thick. The disk inside has a diameter of 85.8 mm. Not a single dimension of this disk design is 3.5 in (88.9 mm).
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11:28 AM
Hi ^_^
 
But 94mm is 3.7 inches to the next mil so they could've called it that.
Hey, what do you guys think of std::function<void() noexcept> as the type of a non-throwing callback?
Sound like something you'd use?
 
Does that work now?
 
It does in my library.
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The proposal is already submitted. I wrote it at the last minute and figured the idea was reasonable enough to just throw it in.
 
I mean having noexcept in the type.
 
Yeah, that's definitely in C++17.
 
11:34 AM
I might be misremembering, but it used to not work.
@Potatoswatter Ah, ok.
 
Now language linkage is the wonkiest remaining part of function-pointer semantics.
Oh crap, I forgot to specify conversion of nullptr values to function<… noexcept>.
nullptr_t is specified but not other function-pointer and PTMF types.
 
When you're proud of your algorithm, but it's more complicated than the previous one, and not really more performant...
 
@Morwenn But it works goddamnit! It's a greater balancing act!
 
And it uses a well-known albeit I-don't-know-why-it-appears-here integer sequence :o
 
The Fibonacci sequence appears for no reason? Truly a good omen.
 
11:45 AM
Nope, the binary carry sequence.
I once saw the Jacobsthal numbers appear out of the blue too.
 
Hmm. I guess function<void() noexcept> x = (void(*)())nullptr; x(); just has to be UB.
 
@Potatoswatter Cheapest way to handle it? :p
 
nwp
@Potatoswatter I would count that as dereferencing a nullptr, so UB seems correct.
 
@Morwenn Only reasonable way. The construction and the call both must be noexcept. You have another idea?
@nwp Classic std::function throws std::bad_function_call.
 
@Potatoswatter Explicitly check for nullptr and a call then does nothing. But that's at least as surprising IMO.
 
11:49 AM
@Morwenn If the return type isn't void, it's back to UB.
 
@Potatoswatter Sure.
 
And doing nothing is a valid implementation of UB as well. The foreseeable outcomes are nothing, or termination.
 
Ot you can throw when the null pointer is assigned rather than when it is called.
That way the callback is still noexcept, but function's constructor/assignment operator isn't.
 
@Morwenn Yeah, but then function<… noexcept> would throw on construction/assignment where classic function offers noexcept.
 
Well, UB then :p
 
11:59 AM
Can still specify that assigned pointer values "shall not be" null, so the implementation can warn earlier.
Anyone? This is useful, right? Good for interfaces and not just an academic exercise?
 
Good interfaces are an academic exercise until you realize you actually need them :p
Hey, I'm stupid, instead of for (unsigned i = 0 ; i < log2(v & -v) ; ++i), I can just compute for (unsigned i = v & -v ; i != 0 ; i >>= 1) since I don't actually need i in my loop body ._____.
Amazing.
 
@Aaron3468 lol. Look what I just found. A parens balancing typo in an upgrade script lead to wrong results and abysmal performance: i.imgur.com/65lwONq.png - and here with the fix (moving 1 opening paren): i.imgur.com/YrPDMIA.png
Moral of story: you want to write your JOINs and JOINs. No confusion about the intent.
Bonus Moral: test your upgrades on actual live data.
Customers will thank you.
@Morwenn lol
@Potatoswatter That looks really nice
@Morwenn Regarding those infected mushrooms. Best to stick to listening, not orally sampling.
 
Orally sampling?
 
Implying you were high on shrooms.
 
12:14 PM
Oooooh.
I'm officially a slowpoke.
 
use your nose, unless you are allergic to the spores
 
@Morwenn It's clearly the shrooms.
 
Does this mean an individual cannot register a .docs domain?
It seems so.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ç_ç
 
@AldwinCheung What, why?
I don't see where it says that.
 
12:30 PM
@sehe What do you mean by this?
 
@wilx They had missplaced parens in the WHERE clause. If if it were spelled as proper JOIN conditions, this could never have happened.
I know some database engines have no JOIN syntax. Shame on them.
 
@sehe Ah, right.
@sehe Those are not worth using.
 
I still like Oracle. Technologically
 
@sehe Oracle does not have that?
I would be surprised...
 
Indeed. Instead it has super-awesome optimizing engine
They basically argued: we don't need to fucking clues. We'll figure it out. And they do (like most DB vendors, nowadays, but historically that was not so common)
@R.MartinhoFernandes wp :)
 
12:38 PM
@sehe Wow, I am officially baffled.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes i am wondering whether adding a "__builtin_is_current_context_being_const_evaluated()" intrinsic to clang is worth it
That would cleanly solve the problem from before, without needing to mess with overloading on constexprness
D has __ctfe, which is true if the current context is being evaluated at compile-time, and false otherwise
The __ctfe boolean pseudo-variable, which evaluates to true at compile time, but false at run time, can be used to provide an alternative execution path to avoid operations which are forbidden at compile time. Every usage of __ctfe is evaluated before code generation and therefore has no run-time cost, even if no optimizer is used.
 
@Nidhoegger in fact we likely can. Many things require code. Things like this need spidey sense and experience. I'm pretty happy with the stacktrace (which, admittedly, I haven't looked at yet) — sehe 23 secs ago
 
12:56 PM
@gnzlbg I don't like it.
Mostly because I don't want to spend time chasing bugs caused by the two branches of the if diverging.
 
Also useful to guard <cmath> functions, which aren't constexpr. You can add a compile-time numeric implementation without regard for performance, without affecting runtime.
 
1:14 PM
@sehe: Experience is an important factor. But this could be anywhere caused by anything. Please look at the Stacktrace first. It could be the mentioned static initialization order fiasco, really a double free, a use after destruct, a never initialized pointer, etc. — Nidhoegger 7 mins ago
I thought I was overly pedantic.
@Nidhoegger I knew the problem when I read half the title from the questions list. All the info in the question just confirmed it. — sehe 1 min ago
Fuck that attitude. Yes we want good questions. No we don't want whining because OP wasn't facing Mekka when asking.
 
The abbreviation for "static initialization order fiasco" is SIFO.
 
I've never seen it before
 
Ven
I'm trying out my malloc, and, huh. emacs gives my realloc a pointer I never gave it. All of vim, git clone, etc, work fine... :[
 
emacs ⋘ vim
 
Ven
yeah but I'll probably be graded on my ability to run emacs, their favorite...
 
1:28 PM
their precious.
Well, as a bonus, expose the bugs that cause the behaviour :)
 
Ven
Well, I've got no goddamn clue.
 
@sehe It suffers from static initialization order fiasco, hence SIFO and not SIOF.
 
Ven
I'd fix it if I knew why emacs does that...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. That whooshed right by. Thanks for insisting :)
@Ven Time to break out your debugger
Maybe Stallman went closed-source, in retaliation for Tivo, perhaps.
 
Ven
@sehe yeah, well, my emacs isn't built with debugger symbols.
what'd you guess, it's exactly what I'm trying to achieve right now.
 
1:32 PM
So. What distro? sudo apt-get build-dep emacs; apt-get source --compile emacs
 
Ven
It's one of my school's VM, so I don't have sudo.
 
Ell
maybe better to download the sources and compile it manually
 
Ven
Warning: Your system has a gap between BSS and the
heap (1963551 bytes).  This usually means that exec-shield
or something similar is in effect.  The dump may
fail because of this.  See the section about
exec-shield in etc/PROBLEMS for more information.
**************************************************
Makefile:736: recipe for target 'bootstrap-emacs' failed
make[1]: *** [bootstrap-emacs] Segmentation fault
 
Ell
well.
 
Ven
I don't have exec-shield...
 
Ell
1:45 PM
@Ven what version are you trying?
 
Ven
@Ell 25.1
 
Ell
I guess you could try the latest test version if you get desperate :P
 
accuweather favicon is really disturbing
 
Ven
@Ell fuck this
 
user1804599
2:23 PM
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user1804599
lol
 
@rightfold oh my god this is amazing
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz accu weather is this when it rains battery acid
 
user1804599
> or something similar
 
@rightfold Is this Fox reporting on someone else's graphic, or did they make it themselves?
 
2:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes any alternatives?
chandler carruth and richard smith agreed that an attribute [[constexpr_alias(constexpr_func_ident)]] func_decl; would be better
when func_decl is invoked in a constexpr context, constexpr_func_ident would be called instead
otherwise, func_decl is called as usual
but that is equivalent to in functionality to a __ctfe attribute and a branch
 
Ven
Today in the news: not beheading people means you're Basically Okay™.
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AKA "If You're Not A War Criminal, Everything You Do Is Fine"
 
3:00 PM
ikr
 
3:12 PM
@Ven In Poland, being a criminal is forbidden by law
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Ven
@milleniumbug and in soviet russia...
 
nwp
law is forbidding criminals? That almost makes sense!
 
@Aaron3468 killmenow; Turns out some poor soul had fixed the SAME query (but outside the update patch) somewhere in 2016. They committed it as a "Speed improvement". Sadly, the improvement lead to invalid SQL, so nothing ever got inserted. And of course, the error is swallowed.
On the bright side. So many "lessons learned" today :)
@rightfold Fucks News
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm afraid it'll be the latter.
The WH isn't the only employer of over-zealous interns and misplaced preachers
 
3:29 PM
1 message moved to Trash can
 
3:43 PM
I thought Trash can is the] place for jQuery coders.. :/
 
@nwp Nearly all countries also have laws against committing suicide. Crime: attempted suicide. Punishment: automatic death penalty. That'll teach 'em!
 
@rightfold Fox News reporting things that are factually true?!
 
@AldwinCheung I suppose accidents will happen, no matter how careful they are to avoid them.
 
4:01 PM
@AldwinCheung Hey, they often report things that are alternatively factually true.
Remember Paris no-go zones? x)
 
Ven
@AldwinCheung it's not theirs :P
 
4:40 PM
Hey, you there, if your first question is where are the rules your speak of? then you best think hard about your stay here
 
@AldwinCheung and CNNi too :P
 
@Mikhail So AMD is bragging about how their Zen chip is smaller than Skylake for the same core count and size (14nm). Somebody seems to have forgotten that Intel's vector unit is twice as large.
 
nwp
Error: Unread reference Rules™
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@Mysticial I doubt they're forgetting it; they just prefer to ignore it. And, in a way, you can't completely blame them--the percentage of code that makes good use of that larger vector unit is pretty small.
 
4:55 PM
@JerryCoffin The 256-bit wide vector unit was in one of the earlier leaked diagrams of Zen (from about a year ago). And AMD said a number of things that were intended for the first Zen release didn't make it.
So you could surmise that the 256-bit SIMD was one of those. And that we might see it in the Zen2.
 
@Mysticial ...or they might decide to try a leapfrog tactic, and jump directly to 512-bit SIMD. Probably not, but you never know.
 
I can see two potential ways:
1. Jump directly to dual 512-bit with AVX512 to compete directly with Intel.
2. Destroy Intel so badly in scalar and 128-bit SSE performance that it takes away all incentive for developers to bother with Intel 256/512 SIMD anymore.
If AMD goes 256 and it takes them to 2018 to do it. They're too late.
For that 2nd point, I don't necessarily mean that AMD will beat Intel at the HPC game using 128-bit SIMD. But if they can take away enough of Intel's market share that Intel needs to ditch the wide SIMD to beef up their scalar performance to stay competitive, then that's the end of wide CPU-based SIMD for this era.
 
Can someone edit the rules to mention the Q&A room?
 
5:11 PM
@Mysticial Yeah--it'll be interesting to see how thing turn out. As I recall from the Hot Chips presentation, Zen might be able to issue/retire more instructions per clock, which could improve scalar performance (but differences in µops and op-fusion and such make that hard to compare accurately).
 
nwp
5:29 PM
> All checks have failed
 
> External link github.com/elliotpotts/Fugam/releases/tag/0.1 failed: 404 No error
good job @Ell
 
@JerryCoffin I'm tempted to think that the scalar performance is pretty much maxed out atm. We've been stuck at 4 instructions/cycle for several generations now. And all the improvements have been reducing the gap between the actual IPC of real code and 4.
Even the majority of instruction latencies are pretty much hitting the bare minimums.
FP-heavy code can still benefit significantly from shorter latencies. But given the sheer complexity of something like an FMA, going below 4 cycles is a tall order.
One area that I would like to see an improvement is to exclude reg-reg moves from the 4 instruction/cycle limit. Right now, they're already renamed away. So they don't go through the dependency logic. So it's theoretically possible to do it by just widening the decoder throughput. This is something that I've personally run into in a lot of GPR code (which are destructive), as well as some of the AVX512 code that I have (from FMAs and merge-masking which destroy an operand).
 
6:02 PM
@Mysticial sounds like what the Mill is trying to do
registers are replaced by a belt and you refer to them by how long ago a value has been pushed onto it
only time you need a reg reg move is when you need to rescue a value from the end of the belt
or need a phi node but you can move multiple values in a single instruction
 
They need to somehow figure out how to automatically transform AVX256 to AVX512 in existing binaries. I'm thinking that you can do a binary-to-binary transformation in the same place linux optionally patches for dangerous opcodes (cpu bugs). If I recall before each program is ran, there is an optional pass for dangerous instructions.
In retrospect this might not work due to memory alignment.
 
6:30 PM
@Mikhail That's harder than auto-vectorizing 256-bit code into 512-bit.
 
6:42 PM
@Mysticial Yeah--I'm not at all sure they're going to gain much there. But their challenge isn't really to beat the last few generations of Intel processors--it's just to achieve something approaching parity, especially on an ops/watt basis.
 
Who fuck would pay for parity?
 
Ell
@milleniumbug meh
it's old :P and wasn't a game
 
Hm. Is there any way to know on which numa node the memory inside the BSS segment will reside?
First touch policy?
 
7:05 PM
@StackedCrooked If you have a pointer to it, there are API calls in both Windows and Linux that will tell you which node its on or if it's not mapped/paged out.
 
@Mikhail an odd fellow
 
Is there a standard dupe target for "how do I explicitly move" for this? The suggested dupe here doesn't mention std::move in it's answer
 
7:32 PM
@KevinMGranger edit the answer and add std::move to it?
 
I didn't realize you could edit other people's answers. Well then!
Oh, it's in their "supplementary answer" anyway.
 
I'm always afraid to go into c++ things cause they seem to be talking about the most complicated thing in the world and I'm just like "I slightly know what a union is"
 
job security
 
8:24 PM
@Mysticial Oh that's where the butthurt smell was coming from...
 
8:49 PM
> Rytlock is under arrest for over-coolness.
@AldwinCheung here, have a LW spoiler. it’s fun
 
is anyone making a game with c++
 
9:12 PM
That's an... interesting revision.
 
well he's right
 
Some people are born with all their internal organ left-right swapped. What is the condition called?
Never mind, Situs inversus.
 
nwp
I was gonna go with mirroritis
 
@FacelessTiger Unions are pretty fuckin' complicated.
mostly because their main use case pretty much heads straight down UB alley
 
9:30 PM
Also we have variants, which are almost like runtime unions.
 
personally I prefer to think of it as "Almost like unions, but not shit"
 
nwp
Is there a reason for the c-tag or do you just find it aesthetically pleasing? — EOF 1 min ago
 
@user782220 Nobody writes games in C++. Why bother? It's not like games any need for high performance or anything like that.
 
30 ms to put stuff onto the screen is plenty
 
Ell
9:40 PM
16ms mate :P
 
30 fps can be plenty depending on the game
 
@user782220 My day job is to make a game engine with C++.
 
button() returns the mouse button that caused the event, which is why it returns Qt::NoButton; but buttons() returns the buttons held down when the event was fired
^ an quality naming convention
 
user1804599
Ugh, Rust duration_since returns an error if the first argument is larger than the second.
 
user1804599
Instead of a negative duration.
 
9:50 PM
maybe they didn't want to return a signed value?
 
user1804599
Ah, yeah, Duration#as_secs returns an unsigned integer.
 
user1804599
:/
 
10:19 PM
catastrophic error : error while writing generated C file:
Should have used C++
 
If that's genuine then it's genuinely disturbing
 
I guess that they kept the pop-tart until the news crew came?
Or did they chew a new one into a gun shape for the picture?
 
@Columbo That's retarded.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or they just made the photo using their cell phone and gave it to the news crew?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The bite marks look like they originate from a child's teeth
 
10:35 PM
@wilx Dunno, I'd expect the people who suspended him to have confiscated it.
 
So I have sown. I hope there will be some reaping tomorrow.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...and taken a photo?
 
Oh, the school people?
 
Doesn't matter. It is retarded.
 
children playing pretend is disturbing now...
 
10:37 PM
@ratchetfreak I wonder what do they do when children play doctors or mom and dad.
 
I found a few news sites with different pop tart guns, so, lol, at least some of them went and got fake pop tart guns for their articles.
 
 
Why is the police attacking them? They never beheaded anyone.
 
nwp
The police didn't behead anyone either, so there is no problem here.
 
They should be catching terrorists
 
user1804599
10:47 PM
@wilx Nice.
 
11:10 PM
western world's fear towards terrorist attack is unjustified - people who have died from car accidents are probably 10+ times more than that have died from terrorist attacks.
 
11:37 PM
@Telkitty I think the problem is not the frequency of deaths by terrorist act. The problem is that terrorism induces fear and people do not want to be in fear. That is the whole point of terrorism. Also, people do not like to be harmed by other people (terrorists). OTOH, they accept that accidents happen, so death from traffic accident is more acceptable than death by terrorist acts. IMHO.
 
Maybe the threat of terrorism provides an easy to understand and Orwellian existential reason to extend government power.
 
<cue conspiracy theory about government creating terrorists to extend their power>
 
@wilx That explanation doesn't work for homicide, though, since they're not accidents.
 
I would classify terrorism in the category of 'irrational fear'
 

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