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12:00 AM
makes me giggle a little. Then I remember I'm male.
 
> spaces before commas
lol
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes He's French! Burn him!
@DeadMG Moderate it! Only room owners have write access!
Solves all the problems. :D
 
@sbi I think SO and P.SE is a lousy idea which only serves to siphon contributions away from where people see them
 
Xeo
@jalf splitting technical and non-technical stuff? Doesn't sound like that bad of an idea.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Yeah, but that is because you cannot utter a single thought without spreading it over at least three messages.
 
12:04 AM
lol
it's a chat, not a forum
 
@Xeo Both those sites are technical. And even if they weren't, splitting them wouldn't make much sense, because there's quite simply no harm in having both on the same site
by separating them you simply reduce visibility, and create a situation where your question will be seen by only a subset of the total community
 
Hidden meaning in TeX banner?
 
sbi
@jalf My main problem with P.SE is that it is so badly defined/communicated/understood what it is about that half its postings get closed. Just looking a its C++ tag today makes my toenails curl.
 
right so we want two different rooms?
meh
 
12:06 AM
@jalf I never see any PSE question unless someone posts it here.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I don't want it, but I'm not offended by other wanting it either.
 
I'm offended, can't help it
 
Let natural selection take its course.
 
Don't bring Darwin into this
 
sbi
Someone is *wrong* on the internet!
 
Xeo
12:11 AM
Obligatory.
Btw, do we actually have underscores in markdown?
 
_markdown
markdown markdown
 
Let the fight begin.
 
well that was an unexpected result
markdown
 
_markdown_ == *markdown*
 
Xeo
12:12 AM
* and _ are the same, but not interchangeable in the same sequence
__markdown**
 
what's two underscores? markdown? ah, bold
 
Xeo
the fuck
?!
Okay
Strange
 
fuckarooney?
 
@sbi uses underscores all the time.
 
Xeo
__markdown** first shows as markdown, but then becomes __markdown**
 
12:13 AM
@Xeo heh, I didn't see that
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck Only when done yourself, i.e. checked by the local markdown parser it seems
 
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Q: Increasing the volume of traffic chat can support

DeadMGI think that right now, we have a problem in the chat. Now arguably, this is true for all rooms, although the C++ room is the only one I know of that actually reaches enough users to have this problem. Quite simply, at peak times, there are just too many people in the chat wanting to talk about ...

 
@DeadMG 100 rep says that won't fly.
 
don't expect it will
but I need more meta rep
 
Xeo
12:16 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, if it doesn't fly, he also won't give a flying fuck. Right?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Only a true robot would note (and remember) that.
 
you know, soon I'm going to stop giving swimming fucks
perhaps I should keep an explicit list of the various kinds of fuck and when they are and are not given?
 
oh swimming fucks eh
@DeadMG haha yes
 
@DeadMG online?
 
How can you possibly swim while giving a fuck?
 
sbi
12:18 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes whistles
 
@MooingDuck Yes, I can not give an e-fuck
@RMartinhoFernandes Use your imaginaton.
 
@DeadMG In your own room, if you will. Otherwise, it will be interspersed with random noise of them, you know, C++ Lounge chatters
 
lol
 
sbi
@DeadMG That would be platonic love, then, right?
 
don't know, I don't have an awful lot of experience with swimming fucks, I've got to admit
 
sbi
12:20 AM
@DeadMG We were talking about using your imagination to fuck. That seems platonic to me.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG So you don't give a flying fuck about swimming fucks, then?
 
now I need to look up "platonic"
 
@DeadMG I'm pretty sure it won't work unless you're on the Dead Sea.
 
@sbi You mean, Brain fuck? That's off topic!
 
@sbi I'm sure that I can concurrently use both my mind and body to fuck
 
sbi
12:21 AM
@sehe Actually it's on-topic. It's only that it offends the prudes.
 
@sehe It's called Bra*nfuck! Now I'mma flag you
 
A few months ago I proposed that the chat should intelligently detect different conversational threads and create a vertical split view separating the conversations. But that was during one of my sleep deprived moments.
 
@sbi It is offtopic for a C++ lounge, in a way. No, the fuck part is ok, the Br*in part, that's offensive!
 
the C++ Lounge is not necessarily for discussing C++
it's a lounge for C++ programmers to discuss whatever they want
 
Xeo
@sbi "fuck", "ficken", "baise", (damn, I already exhausted my language skills!)
 
12:22 AM
@DeadMG Astute observation
@Xeo baise = kiss?
 
empirical evidence obtained by being here :P
 
Xeo
@sehe No, "fuck" :)
 
@sehe No. "ficken" is German for "fuck", so I'm going to say that "fuck", "fuck", is most likely followed by "fuck" again
 
@Xeo i'm way too naive. :)
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Very often "fuck" is followed by "fuck", example "Fuck fuck fuck fuck... NOEZ!"
 
12:23 AM
Also commonly followed by "that"
 
A fuck rarely comes alone.
 
as a very regular user of "fuck", I've noticed
lol
 
> Baiser is a French verb meaning "to fuck"; it also used to mean "to kiss" in classic French texts (wikipedia)
 
@StackedCrooked Unless you have no sexual partner :P
 
Lol, dammit..
 
12:25 AM
Someone will have a flagfest here (3 months from now)
 
Xeo
@sehe Aight
 
@StackedCrooked I want to star that, and at the same time....
 
why not?
 
sbi
@sehe > Baiser is a French verb meaning "to fuck"; it also used to mean "to kiss" in classic French texts. [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baise-moi)
 
my sentence at swimming fucks is starred
 
12:26 AM
fuck this shit
 
sbi
@sehe I think that isn't possible any longer.
 
@DeadMG because your language isn't my problem. But I don't want to promote it, nor post it on the wall for others.
 
Xeo
@sbi Ah, right, 15 days was it?
 
@sbi good!
@sbi erm... talking to me?
 
good
that Genesis guy was a total prick
 
Xeo
12:26 AM
@MooingDuck There, done for you.
 
@Xeo heh, I saw that. I'm blameless, I swear
 
Xeo
You're my partner in crime
You incited me
 
sbi
@sehe Since so many were surprised about such basic things as italic and bold just a few mins ago, I though I'd point out how to link to what you quote.
 
we should redirect all C++ queries to chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/6708/c-language. And then redirect them back
 
Xeo
12:28 AM
lawl
@sbi Actually, the discussion was about underscores.
 
I might be a troll in training :(
 
Xeo
And how to get them
 
@Xeo For what is worth, it's called underlines.
 
12:29 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes not here it's not. In USA (Washington) underline is a line under letters. Underscore is a symbol on it's own.
 
sbi
@Xeo I dunno. ISTR this having the number in a comment, but it has no comments. I'm now not sure whether my memory is so faulty or whether they were simply deleted.
 
@StackedCrooked your TetrisTestSuite deadlocks on my Q9550 box:
 
@MooingDuck And it was about underlines. People just assumed that you could do underlining with underscores.
 
sbi
@MooingDuck How do you propose to do that?
 
@sbi I might have to do that flagfest thing. I don't mind the discussion of fucking, but using italics and bolding clearly shouldn't be allowed. Remember: if a typewriter can't do it, you don't need it!
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12:30 AM
Test workerpool iteration 15/20
Test without interrupt 6/6
Test with interrupt 6/6
Test resize 4/6
 
@sbi tell them they are in the wrong room, and link them to the other
 
@sehe Which branch/revision did you build? It's currently in a partially broken state due to refactoring with jalf's STM library.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin I can decide on my very own what I need and what not, thank you very much. :)
 
@JerryCoffin Typewriters can do bolding! You just type the same letter over the same spot repeatedly.
 
Xeo
For italics, just rotate the paper a little bit
 
12:33 AM
I'm teaching an old fart how to use a typewriter. I'm not sure how that makes me feel.
 
@StackedCrooked it's been stuck there for over half an hour. Addmittedly I went back to a tag (r1028) because I couldn't compile trunk. Also had to manually dig out the link command from Build/Release/Linux/x86_64/lib/Tetris/testsuite/CMakeFiles/TetrisTestSuite.dir/l‌​ink.txt just to add -lpthread :)
 
@sehe Anyway I want to have a look at it because the code that you are testing should probably not be affected by this. Anyway, this branch should be ok.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Doesn't really work well -- believe me, I've tried. Old line printers would let you overstrike as well, but it really only worked well for adding things like underling -- people tried to do bolding, but it was a pretty...timid version of bold.
 
Xeo
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A: More information is needed in chat Flagged Posts

Marc GravellYes, as discussed here: Defend against flag spam in chat Addressing both the question and sbi's answer - there are some good ideas here, which we are actively considering: showing the room is very sensible, and should be trivial to do [done] we're considering showing to moderators only the use...

> [done - 15 days currently, but open to review]
 
@sehe I'll try to reproduce. Which branch, revision, os?
@sehe Btw, I've had deadlocks with boost library 1.43 up until 1.46 when using thread::interrupt. Which seems to be exactly what you are hitting. (Only on Mac and Linux, not Windows, if I remember well.)
 
sbi
12:35 AM
@JerryCoffin Typewriters did E M P H A S I S just fine, though.
@Xeo Ah, there it was! I was afraid it would be my memory...
 
I've been listening to this for over an hour.
:S
 
sbi
> i would rather listen to this for an hour than ANYTHING by justin bieber
LOL!
 
It's really catchy.
 
@sbi This strikes as being a little like deciding whether you'd rather freeze to death or burn to death.
 
@StackedCrooked I just built r1236, but the output of ./bin/TetrisTest looks very different and runs MUCH shorter. Can't find the same test suite I think (though the build issue was resolved - woot)
 
sbi
12:41 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Being an old fart, I have to like the older version better.
 
@sehe Hm.. Let me check.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin It's from a comment at youtube. I certainly wouldn't want to listen to that for even 10mins. I remember us pupils being stuck on that song for weeks after they sang it at sesame street.
 
> I should give up smoking weed
 
@sbi I was...fortunate (?) to have a father who didn't really approve of TV, so we never had one at home when I was a kid.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin I grew up with a TV and five channels, but I hadn't had a TV for >20 years now. The mother of two of my kids has acquire one a few years ago, according to them, but she rarely ever watches, and so they don't seem to either. At least, it doesn't feel like they know anything about what's currently up at TV. The rest of my kids grow up without TV.
 
12:49 AM
@JerryCoffin I had a TV, but sticks and legos were better
 
@MooingDuck I always thought a big Erector Set would be the ultimate toy when I was young. My oldest brother got one for Christmas one year, but by the time I got to play with it at all, most of it was lost or bent/broken.
 
sbi
Anyway, gotta go to bed now. I'll have a little girl tugging at my sheets in about five hours, hopefully not earlier.
See you!
 
@sbi G'night.
 
@JerryCoffin erector set would have been cool if I had more pieces. But I had buckets of legos. I made MASSIVE projects
 
@StackedCrooked r1236 looks goog. The test suite however never even reaches CPU saturation (closer to 50% on my box). That'd be something to look into, because threading bugs are good at hiding :)
The computer-vs-computer thingie is quite nice to watch :)
 
12:54 AM
@sehe Does that reach cpu saturation?
 
@MooingDuck I liked Lego too, but when I was that young, it was way too expensive to get much. A while back I found a price list from about the right timeframe and corrected for inflation -- the set I had was tiny by modern standards, but still cost over $100 by current prices.
 
I got my type-erased any_iterator to compile! (72 bytes for 64-bit machines) I may have to reconsider my design...
 
@StackedCrooked Nope. 14/15 threads at 10 to 50% CPU
@StackedCrooked: Hold on. I forgot I ran a supersized testsuite in another terminal. It seems deadlocked again:
Repeating all tests (iteration 35) . . .

[==========] Running 9 tests from 3 test cases.
[----------] Global test environment set-up.
[----------] 2 tests from NodeCalculatorTest
[ RUN      ] NodeCalculatorTest.Interrupt
      4            5x8             8/8           488280/488280      100%        2323ms         OK
[       OK ] NodeCalculatorTest.Interrupt (3189 ms)
[ RUN      ] NodeCalculatorTest.Destroy
[       OK ] NodeCalculatorTest.Destroy (488 ms)
[----------] 2 tests from NodeCalculatorTest (3681 ms total)
 
@MooingDuck: Not an unbounded size (at least in theory)?
 
@MooingDuck You mean sizeof(any_iterator) == 72?
Ouch.
 
Xeo
12:57 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes 9 pointers?!
 
@StackedCrooked: ffs can't get a backtrace because CMake apparently deleted the binary
Attaching to process 20474
/tmp/r1236/Build/Release/Linux/x86_64/bin/TetrisTest (deleted): No such file or directory.
 
@sehe The algorithm is to finish a search depth completely before starting to reach a new search depth (iterative deepening). This means that just before completing a search depth a number of threads will finish before the others and go idle. So it's normal to see the CPU jump up and down. However, a should still be little higher. There is probably too much waiting going on.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Apparently that was debug build. Release is 56 bytes.
@Grizzly 99% of the time it's that size, rarely it allocates extra on the heap.
 
@MooingDuck: Ah, that's what I thought
 
@sehe You can create a debug build as follows: TETRIS_BUILD_TYPE=Debug ./rebuild. I like to use cgdb or QtCreator as debugging tool.
 
12:59 AM
@StackedCrooked right of the bat it is 4 cores at 50%, after a while drops of to 10-20% though. Occasional bursts do occur. Obviously, once one team 'died' the load goes down.
 

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