« first day (1593 days earlier)      last day (3359 days later) » 

user3010322
3:04 PM
I reallly, really, really wish dropbox had a .dropboxignore
 
depending on what you're doing that may be useful
I tried to work on a VS solution inside the dropbox folder
at one time both dropbox and VS tried to do something with it and shit happened
never again
 
user3010322
Yeah. I have multiple machines and it's nice for me to jump between them and do dev without having to perform a commit first and then pull on the other machine.
 
@AlexM. Oh god yes
Right well the fact that you just copy/pasted this from another website must be openly declared in the question, first of all. Right now you are committing plagiarism, which is a very serious offence. Secondly, it's relevant to the problem because it's not your code: you're just asking about someone else's code. That substantially limits your options, because you cannot rationalise about why you wrote the code a certain way if you did not write it. Ultimately, short of me parsing that article for you, you should simply ask the author. — Lightness Races in Orbit 2 mins ago
@AlexM. The moon is cheaper to live on than London.
 
why is London so expensive?
I wouldn't expect London to be more expensive than a behemoth like New York
but it is
are people there paid that good to take the prices
 
user3010322
@AlexM. Because overcrowded and well-sought-after and HISTORY.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's what the cost of living site says
not by a lot, but London is the most expensive city atm
 
@AlexM. "the" cost of living site
 
one sec
 
@AlexM. ok well, yes, it's very expensive
 
3:08 PM
for details on why, take a four year course on macroeconomics
 
mhgmhmh need to pick GH pages layout for hate
 
do salaries scale too? I mean you can't just be expensive
people have to be able to buy too
 
Go on, admit it, who voted for an unconference in London? :((
 
user3010322
London wouldn't be the worst place to Unconference.
 
@AlexM. wow that's surprisingly accurate
@AlexM. yes
 
3:10 PM
@ThePhD Well, no. There's that midnight-sun place where robot is. That would be worse.
 
In IT you can expect a £30k starting salary in London, compared to £22k or £23k or whatever
 
What the hell
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit £30k. Well, that's the car-parking fees covered.
 
€12 for a pack of cigarettes in London
You gotta be fucking kidding me
 
@MartinJames You're kidding right
 
3:11 PM
What is it, wrapped in gold?
 
@MartinJames That only covers getting there! Damn congestion charge
@Jefffrey Yes. That's it, exactly.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, £33 a day in NCP
 
lol £33 a day
 
lol rent in london is 5-7 times more expensive than here
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Working day, not 24 hours.
 
3:13 PM
> Average Monthly Disposable Salary (After Tax)
does that include spendings?
Consumer Prices in London are 148.98% higher than in Gdansk
Consumer Prices Including Rent in London are 239.22% higher than in Gdansk
Rent Prices in London are 514.99% higher than in Gdansk
Restaurant Prices in London are 196.04% higher than in Gdansk
Groceries Prices in London are 170.91% higher than in Gdansk
Local Purchasing Power in London is 19.45% higher than in Gdansk
 
I paid £3 for two hours at Farringdon
though that was a Sunday afternoon
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Can we shift the Unconference to Poland again?
 
Consumer Prices in London are 38.26% higher than in Verona
Consumer Prices Including Rent in London are 100.64% higher than in Verona
Rent Prices in London are 354.13% higher than in Verona
Restaurant Prices in London are 24.10% higher than in Verona
Groceries Prices in London are 46.07% higher than in Verona
Local Purchasing Power in London is 9.45% higher than in Verona
 
@Xeo I suggested a move, but cat blew up.
 
3:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz worth having you think?
 
What about Verona? It's romantic and shit.
 
@Xeo NO!!!
 
@thecoshman dunno. If you want to cooperate with existing code and/or you don't want to mess global state
 
That's the house of Romeo & Juliet, jesus
 
¬_¬ we'll do Pooland in 2016
 
3:16 PM
Wine is cheeper than anywhere else
 
that one
> Hurry, this offer is available until 31 January 2015 so book your £10 parking stay today
nice
 
@BartekBanachewicz wher eyou ggetting that info?
oh :P
 
1hr £6
2 hours £12
remembered wrong then
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's surprising.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 1 hours £6, 2 * 1 hours 2 * £6
 
3:18 PM
@Jefffrey Why's that?
@Jefffrey Yeah, except that's not in any way shape or form how economies of scale work
 
I know
 
Consumer Prices in London are 17.60% higher than in Dublin
Consumer Prices Including Rent in London are 41.64% higher than in Dublin
Rent Prices in London are 89.60% higher than in Dublin
Restaurant Prices in London are 2.62% higher than in Dublin
Groceries Prices in London are 15.88% higher than in Dublin
Local Purchasing Power in London is 12.55% lower than in Dublin
 
@Jefffrey 4 hours is £18, for example
@Jefffrey then what are you going on about
 
see, that's why I don't care too much :P I've raped either way
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's why it's surprising
 
3:19 PM
@Jefffrey haha ok
 
Because it should be lower
 
you weren't being sarcastic
 
no
 
@thecoshman +17% vs +148.98%
 
I think you were and you're now backtracking
 
3:19 PM
That's possible
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah... Dublin is not much cheaper than London...
 
But I would never admit it, so...
 
@thecoshman so yeah, you aren't the one that's fucked for going to london
people from eastern europe are
 
@BartekBanachewicz it'll do you good to get some culture :D
 
> Holy Compiler, why?
 
3:20 PM
@thecoshman lol culture. In London?!
pffff
I might not be able to afford that btw
 
@BartekBanachewicz The poorhouses.
 
because of the whole flat and car buying
just saying.
 
Please don't spread the myth that the abstract machine defined by the C++ standard makes any connection between references and memory addresses. — Lightness Races in Orbit 5 secs ago
let's see how well this goes
 
The soup-kitchens.
 
3:22 PM
The saunas-on-wheels.
 
> You would need around 4,268.47£ (5,818.48€) in London to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 2,900.00€ in Verona (assuming you rent in both cities).
Is that monthly?
 
@Jefffrey well, I doubt it's weekly
 
@BartekBanachewicz culture or london?
 
€3.000 is way too high monthly
More like €800
 
@thecoshman london
 
3:25 PM
¬_¬ fucking humans inconstantly using commas or periods to separate decimals or big numbers
 
fuck you Java
 
@ParkYoung-Bae merged accounts yet?
 
removing the keyword "abstract" takes away 3 errors
> TicTacToe.java:32: cannot find symbol
symbol : method GetGameType()
location: class GamePlay

Eliminated by making GamePlay non-abstract lol (I had no abstract methods in it)
 
@thecoshman 3'000.000,000KiB
 
Fucking commas for decimal separators made my customers malform CSV script files:(
 
3:29 PM
"Fifty years of programming language research, and we end up with C ?" - Richard A. O'Keefe
^ that's due to realworldprogrammers /cc @BartekBanachewicz @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
@Jefffrey nice
@MartinJames lol
CSV is so often fucked up
 
Be practical over everything
#pragmaticyolo
 
you really don't want to start this discussion again
not unless you have, per your own words, written anything that can put in you in a position to discuss
 
my own words mean nothing to me, they only mean something to the people that listen to me
3
 
I humbly suggest you put them into Bin channel then.
 
3:32 PM
Is that a paradox though?
 
it's really not.
 
guys
GUYS
I'll get a salad this evening
 
If my own words mean nothing to me, then the phrase "my own words mean nothing to me" really doesn't mean that my own words mean nothing to me.
 
It just means you're blabbering nonsense, either way.
 
This is literally my only error you guys pl0x help:

"TicTacToe.java:44: cannot find symbol
symbol : variable Player
location: class TicTacToe
"

Hierarchy:

Class Gameplay extended by HelperFunctions has Player nested inside of it which has Human implements Moves, Computer implements Moves extended inside of it. And TicTacToe extends HelperFunctions.
 
user3010322
3:33 PM
@AlexM. Who are you and what've you done with Alex?
 
I ate my pizza for today
 
@AlexM. put ketchup in it
loads of it
 
fixed
 
@AlexM. 'pizza for today'? You on a diet?
 
Lol .java
 
3:35 PM
I have nothing to do for the rest of the week.
 
The error is

`Player.Computer c2 = Player.new Computer();`
 
@MartinJames I lost weight lately
wanna see how far I can go
 
Xeo
@AlexM. "I lost weight, so let's indulge!"...
 
Maybe I should just publish haddock docs on ghpages
no one is going to read the readme anyway
 
@Xeo it's the opposite actually
 
3:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Seriously though, I'm happy you released a working version of Hate.
 
It's actually a 3rd sorta working release
 
Does it depend on Lens in the end?
 
nice
 
(some of) the samples do.
 
3:41 PM
Coffee is really cheap here, at only $1 for every 20oz
This is really good coffee gents
 
I hope I finish up with my game quickly
I wanna try UE4
the new update they pushed looks cool
 
Xeo
We're having lots of fun with UE4 today...
@AlexM. We're gonna switch to 4.7 next week, prolly
Currently synching and then checking the diff between 4.6.1 and 4.7
 
I got a job offer to work with UE4
meh.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the guy hails from your homeland
I like how he says "automatic"
 
3:44 PM
@Xeo ooh
I heard I'll be able to move to C++11 soon
beat THAT!
 
Xeo
We're already using C++11
Well, as far as VC12 allows
 
people realized that you actually can just update the compiler
without anything breaking :A
and it's just fear of the dark
or is it fear of the unknown
w/e at least in the cases that were tried the transition worked OK
 
@AlexM. i.e. properly?
 
@ThePhD so I was peeking through the VS2015 Preview CRT, and MS has already switched to UTF-8 in places. Regardless the support is a LOT better (but not great yet), as to be expected from a complete rewrite
 
Is there an estimate release date for VS2015?
 
3:50 PM
@AndyProwl I would presume June ish along with windows 10
as they'll want to ship it with the new windows SDK
 
Ah, makes sense
 
which they can't yet because windows 10 isn't final
 
is having out of sync precompiled Boost libs and headers something people do, I heard legends about something like that going on around here and it sounds like a silly abomination
 
Where I noticed the support for UTF-8 was in file IO, and in the addition of uchar.h
 
like, 1.55 headers using 1.54 precompiled
 
Xeo
3:51 PM
That sounds dangerous
 
I wouldn't do it
 
@AlexM. accidentally did that once... was not fun
just nuked my boost folder from orbit after that and switched to latest
 
yeah apparently my library was pushing out crashes linked to boost.split
and then boom, a shitload of libs started pushing out crashes related to boost
by linked I mean having something to do with or inside of
I just put it on hold until the boost sync issue gets solved
 
I feel like using A ---> B ---> C ---> D ---> E is super messy (inheritance)
 
@DonLarynx why do you need that deep of inheritance?
 
3:56 PM
It's hard to tell whether it is messy without knowing what those letters actually mean, and what kind of inheritance you are using, but indeed inheritance does tend to bring problems
 
@Mgetz It's not that uncommon, eg. GUI component hierarchies.
 
Well, "does tend to bring problems" doesn't mean much I realize
 
Class GamePlay extended HelperFunctions extended Player extended TicTacToe (Main-Class)
2
(so it's actually triple inheritance not quad)
o and guys
I am at 7 errors now!!!!!
 
@DonLarynx still sounds like you're mixing concerns
 
I was stuck in 8 errors for 3 hours.
 
3:58 PM
GamePlay extends Player?
 
no wait
 
Player extends TicTacToe?
 
i mean extended
 
Player never extends anything in TicTacToe
 
So GamePlay is the class A and all the other classes are subclasses
 
3:59 PM
HumanPlayer and AIPlayer extend Player in TicTacToe
 
TicTacToe extends Player etc..
 
I think those relationships are wrong conceptually
A player is not a gameplay
A TicTacToe is not a player
Also a Player is not a HelperFunctions
 
wth even is GamePlay m8
are you sure you can take on Martin's job with those mad OOP skillz
 
Yep major separation of concerns issues here
 
I just checked my gmail account, and in June 2014 some Russian guy wrote me an email that I win 2.1 billion dollars. I hope it hasn't expired. Who's coming to my party?
 
4:01 PM
Russian? you probably won 2.1 billion dollars in CS GO skins
 
@AlexM. My Java programming level is 30/99.
 
the only one partying is Gaben
 
@FredOverflow The Russian guy, I suppose (you did invite him, didn't you?)
 
@DonLarynx here's what you need for TicTacToe
 
Sounds like Don is using inheritance instead of composition for no reason at all
 
4:01 PM
a board
 
I would think that a game has a player collection.
 
a human player
an AI player
 
user3010322
@Mgetz Really? Where so, which char* functions were changed? I know they officially deprecated MBCStrings for MFC/ATL, but I didn't know if they did it for the STL? That's a bit bizarre.
 
that's it
 
@MartinJames That's what class Player is for
 
user3010322
4:02 PM
Hm. Maybe the CRT actually only did ASCII and only somewhat kind of worked with MBCS.
 
a Player is not a collection
 
@ThePhD nonono, it was more that new functionality has been added, also that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I thought of that too, but HelperFunctions aggregating Player?
 
user3010322
So it's actually not a real breaking change to go to Unicode since their functions were technically only supposed to be ASCII?
 
@AlexM. A collection of players.
 
4:02 PM
@AndyProwl wot
 
@MartinJames a player is a collection of players?
 
5 mins ago, by Don Larynx
Class GamePlay extended HelperFunctions extended Player extended TicTacToe (Main-Class)
 
@AlexM. No, a gam......... oh fuck it:)
 
@AndyProwl Yes I saw that. I was asking about what you said, not what Don said.
 
@DonLarynx Why do you feel the compulsion to inherit so much? This isn't the 90s anymore.
 
4:03 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't see a composition relation between HelperFunctions and Player either
 
@DonLarynx m8
 
@AndyProwl Right okay well I didn't suggest literally replacing the inheritance tree with a composition tree that looks identical, did I
 
get a Board set up
track the state of the board on it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Fair enough
 
get a Game set up, make it cycle through players
get a Player class set up, this is abstract
 
4:04 PM
i'm hungry
 
get a HumanPlayer set up
 
also still so hungover
 
get an AIPlayer set up
 
@AlexM. Those in the collection, yes.
 
both take turns, both do different things when taking turns
 
4:04 PM
Class Board extended Class Player extended Class HelperFunctions
4
 
> tom, Marie where they relayed the story of the defeat to the French colonists. Holding continents is the most common way to increase reinforcements.
It is currently the legal deposit and copyright for Malta. NASCAR Nationwide Series schedule. Om is then sold for Rs. Warora is on the main Grand Trunk railway track which is an added advantage for upcoming industries.
His birthday, May 8, is celebrated as the World Red Cross and Red Crescent Day. Love Field provide general aviation services including fuel, maintenance, hangar rentals, and charters. Admiral Yang and his staff, as well as a la
autogenerated spam is great
 
HumanPlayer waits for input
 
???
 
AIPlayer analyzes the board and takes a decision
 
@DonLarynx What has led you to the decision to use those inheritance relationships? Explain.
 
4:05 PM
@DonLarynx wtf
 
Hint: when you can't explain it, you shouldn't have done it
Hint: you can't explain it
 
wtf is even HelperFunctions
why must it be extended
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Maybe he was hoping inheritance would make him rich?
 
but hey programming by guessing is fun I suppose
 
@FredOverflow lol
 
4:05 PM
@FredOverflow it's so taxed nowadays tho :(
 
@AlexM. Because it contains stuff like MakeWinMove() for Computer AI, MakeBlockMove(), etc.
 
hmm Neovim looks like it's really kicking
 
lol wut
top kek
ftl etc
 
@DonLarynx ... what
those are not HelperFunctions
those are AI player behavior
 
they go in Class AI extended Class Player
 
4:07 PM
also group those two Move()s into MakeOptimalMove()
 
Player doesn't inherit them and Board certainly doesn't
 
or MakeBestMove()
or w/e
 
lame bait; didn't watch
 
4:07 PM
@AlexM. nah
@AlexM. "best" is so vacuous as to be absurdly useless
 
not in the case of tictactoe I think
moving towards a win is best
when you can't, the best option is to try to block and get a tie
I think there's a whole theory about tictactoe being decided from the 2nd move
or maybe 1st, but I never read through it :P
as long as both players play optimally
you're right though
 
right but you don't put your entire game strategy in one function
 
moving them together is probably not a good idea
yeah
 
> The computer player must play to a certain level of intelligence (i.e. not just random moves). Here are the decisions that a computer player must implement, in this order of priority: 1.If a winning move is available, take it.
2.If the opponent is threatening a winning play, block it. (Note that if the opponent has two winning plays, only one can be blocked).
3.If the center square is available, take it
4.Else choose randomly between any remaining squares
 
I just realized you may not want the AI to play optimally based on difficulty
 
4:10 PM
yes, that's a good practical example of why your idea is wrong in principle anyway
 
I meant not to expose both MakeWinningMove and MakeBlockingMove to the public via interfaces
shush now
 
Whatever you do, don't implement a WinningAIStrategyFactorySingletonManager, please.
 
time for me to head home and get that
gasp salad
it will still have chicken meat in it though
 
@AlexM. thnx for your help, time to spend another 2 hours restructuring program flow LOL
:(
 
4:13 PM
forget flow
get your data model right
 
I think I architected a simple tic tac toe in a gamedev.se answer once but I can't find it
the question is probably deleted for being too broad
pity, I would've linked Don to it
 
@AlexM. :O ---> :DDDD ---> reads "deleted" ---> ,,!,,
 
what does that mean
 
It's his new inheritance heirarchy
It's an improvement
 
Surprised ----> happy ----> reads "deleted ----> middle finger
 
4:20 PM
Tic Tac Toe without AI is <100 lines of code. You don't need an architecture.
With AI maybe 200 lines of code, max. Still no need for an architecture.
 
> The reaction of the Java developer community to our report is somewhat disappointing: instead of using our fixed (and verified!) version of mergeCollapse(), they opted to increase the allocated runLen “sufficiently”.
 
@DonLarynx Not an optimal strategy that is.
 
lol 'I am writing a POS application' - I've got lots of them already.
Maybe it means 'Point Of Sale' :)
 
shit I broke my API
backwards compatibility, I mean
 
@MartinJames I've had this thought so many times.
 
4:30 PM
hmm I need to set up some benchmarking
 
I hope that the name "NotAnotherPOS" isn't taken... ;)
 
yay our hydepark at work transitioned from cats to MLP /cc @EtiennedeMartel
haha lol I've just realized I have one user of my API I need to consult before making that breaking change @Mr.kbok :D
 
(to make 0,0 top-left instead of bottom-left)
 
4:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Window posses have been toplefted for ever. Why bottomleft in the first place?
 
Can't remember whether I've already watched that or not. Should be fun either way.
 
@MartinJames OpenGL
 
Meh..
 
not that it really cares vOv
 
windows 8
full retard
 
4:53 PM
@MartinJames Actually, Windows does both, depending on mapping mode. In the default MM_TEXT mapping mode, the origin is at the top left--but in MM_LOMETRIC, MM_HIMETRIC, MMLOENGLISH and MM_HIENGLISH, it's at the bottom left (and in MM_ISOMETRIC and MM_ANISOMETRIC, it's wherever you put it).
 
@Pris it's pretty good, but colossal
 
Xeo
Man, ReSharper for C++ is just dying with our project.
 
@ScarletAmaranth I wanna get it to learn how it works behind the scenes... but that's too much of a time investment. Honestly I'd be more interested in a book of how the engine works in detail with all the nitty gritty stuff explained
 

« first day (1593 days earlier)      last day (3359 days later) »