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10:00 AM
lol
 
there are ways to fix the problem
 
std::source_context
 
Not: use this std::abi crap and we'll deal with it for you.
 
for getting info of the source file
 
but C++ wouldn't go for any of them
I feel
 
10:00 AM
apparently that's what the Reflection group is working on
amazing
meh
 
@Rapptz Impressive.
 
I've just skimmed through it
but it doesn't mention preprocessing at all
unless I'm missing it..
oh it delegates the issue to __LINE__ etc
 
How the heck is that helpful?
 
it just says "equivalent to using __LINE__" or "equivalent to using __func__"
 
Gee, thanks. C++ was totally missing those features.
 
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10:06 AM
lol somebody did new Array().
 
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This code is so bad.
 
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Oh cool IntelliJ warns about duplicate jQuery selectors.
 
I see the Graphics study group has been renamed to Human Interaction.
Exciting.
 
Not sure if increasing the scope like that is good.
 
> I can’t help but think that merging so much functionality into the core of C++ (e.g. the Filesystem TS) is a bad idea and limits choice. On the other hand, sometimes it’s nice if there is something standard to code to in many environments.
wot
 
10:08 AM
> limits choice
lolwut
 
it's nice if you have as shitty library management as C++ does
I know that this is out of Standard's scope
 
Anyway, I don't know how true this is
> The relevation that clang has completed their modules implementation, that they will be pushing it for C++17, and that they are fairly confident that they will be able to get it in. The adoption of a proper modules system has the potential to revolutionize compilation speeds and the tooling landscape – revolutions that C++ needs badly.
 
but in general, if I could just cppm install filesystem, stdlib could be much smaller
 
But if this is true I'm kind of worried
 
@Rapptz why?
@rightfold is this Haskell Idea plugin good?
 
Xeo
10:10 AM
@Rapptz Clang's modules are nothing like modules in C#, Java, Haskell etc, IIRC
 
Yeah that's why I'm worried
It's probably total shit
 
Xeo
WTF, already lunch time
where did my time go?!
 
@Xeo so what they're like?
 
I remember reading on their module page that it was extremely buggy :<
 
Xeo
10:10 AM
stupid meetings
 
@BartekBanachewicz Meh, that's completely unrelated.
 
> Thus, a struct declared in one module will still conflict with a struct of the same name declared in a different module, just as they would if declared in two different headers.
@R.MartinhoFernandes it is in practice
 
By the way, I know you guys answered this before but what happens on platforms that can't support filesystem or sockets w.r.t. the C++ stdlib?
 
Same as with platforms that can't support stdin.
It's not there.
 
Would they list implementing it as optional?
Or does a conforming implementation have to implement everything?
 
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@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, only Cabal sandboxes don't work well. You can have only one Cabal sandbox for all projects at once.
 
though I guess making it optional would be bad news..
 
wow
 
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But they're gonna fix that.
 
DWP are such idiots.
they sent me three letters today
 
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10:15 AM
You need the one by JetBrains, though. Not the other one.
 
Alex - 27 Apr 2013 7:18 AM
who cares about nuget?? we need more cpp14 features!!!!!
Seth - 28 Apr 2013 8:33 AM
@Alex how about we start with c++11 features?
2
 
they said, "Please send us your medical certificate", "Please send us proof you attended university (WTF?)", "Please send us your medical certificate", "The medical certificate you just got a letter asking for is about to expire", "We're so glad we could start paying you your benefit now".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I found the issue, it's how I handle stuff between async operations
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also wow, that was only a year ago?
Feels a lot longer
tbh with git or your favourite vcs and tags you could have a pretty decent package manager.
reminds me of this: github.com/clibs/clib
ninja -t targets prints a pretty disappointing list
 
Why?
Oh.
Yeah.
 
10:26 AM
ninja -t targets all is too much, ninja -t targets is too little for me
 
> Hawaiian /ahi/ "fire", /ʔahi/ "tuna"
Gee.
 
browsing ninja source so bad
 
new white myo looks pretty nice
 
@Rapptz Versioning is a small part of a decent package manager
 
10:36 AM
ExitFailure 1
 
I've come to realise that in MSVC either PDBs are generated lacking information about some destructors, or the compiler does some optimisations in debug mode that make it seem so.
 
@JohanLarsson how do i play it
works not
 
> Patterns
> Constructor Pattern
 
if this website was made using that "reliable" technique I am not sure if I want to learn it
 
@CatPlusPlus Flame it after you have seen it, the patterns section was great despite its name.
@BartekBanachewicz Think you need an account, there is a trial.
 
10:39 AM
Yeah not going to
 
ok be like cat
 
I would like to watch it and only then judge it
 
Are those videos?
How would you guys separate 'hasty' into syllables? /ˈheɪ.sti/, /ˈheɪs.ti/, or /ˈheɪst.i/? (dot marks syllable boundary)
 
but $29/mo is a bit steep
@R.MartinhoFernandes 2nd or 1st
 
yes, I can highly recommend pluralsight

 English Language & Usage: Multi-Layer

Not for the faint of heart or those easily triggered by Englis...
 
10:41 AM
:lol: what 29/mo
 
@Cat can you explain how that works?
instance FromRow Point where
    fromRow = Point <$> field <*> field
 
Magic
 
field comes from an SQL query
@CatPlusPlus was my first thought
 
@JohanLarsson There's a rule, and I know it. I'm interested in the opinion of layman native speakers.
 
tchrist in that room knows all rules
 
10:42 AM
not sure layman can speak perfect native language
 
I know.
Oct 28 '13 at 22:33, by R. Martinho Fernandes
tchrist da best.
 
wait
can <$> be both liftA and liftM
 
IOW is liftA = liftM
 
@JohanLarsson Anyway, I just want to see if what native speakers think matches the rule (and it's better if they aren't biased by knowing it).
 
10:43 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes tchrist, tpope...
 
Xeo
fmap = liftA = liftM
 
okey.
sudden brain freeze melted
anyway this field magic is magic
 
name my next 2 bots: jchrist & mallah
 
morning guys
 
morning wood
 
10:45 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Not if your employer pays for it, then it is a bargain I think. Dunno if they have student accounts.
 
oh, that's "I own the ICC license so it's free" all over again :P
 
I have a question: has someone already proposed a "minimal rep" threshold to post questions for new users or at least a "needs at least 10 good edits"? Today the rate of 1-rep users asking crap is horribly high
 
that's not a very good proposal
> anybody can ask
> anybody can answer
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
 
10:48 AM
sure, but perhaps render the registration process a bit "harder".. you can actually register an account with a mailinator box in < 2 minutes. Someone who wants to be part of the website wouldn't mind a longer process, a "I need an answer asap so I can continue copypasting from google" would
 
imagine gods are the bots written by a fat, lazy, middle aged but competent programmer who uses it to monitor the earth
 
they would and do mind.
SO allows questions from 1rep users right away for a reason
 
irrational thoughts are either bugs or features (also known as quick fixes)
 
and it's because the only reason they come here is to get help with their problems.
no help -> user leaves.
 
Hmm, this is going to be tougher than I thought.
Guess I'll start simple.
 
10:53 AM
@Puppy my professors used to tell me "Think about it and see if you can solve it yourself, then come back if you can't". It doesn't seem to me that these guys are actually doing that. It would be great if gold badge users could "freeze for an interval" the question with a "try to solve it yourself with this advice"
 
@Puppy That's the goal though :v
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, admittedly, it's the goal for us, but not for SO in general. If they did a blanket 1rep user "go away" feature, they'd never get any new users.
 
not to hurt your little brain, but SE has put chats on their front page (which has only started to happen a couple of months ago) was to encourage people to seek help on the chats
some chats are more willing to cooperate than the others
 
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@Xeo :'(
 
you guys are doing a good job chasing all the newblets with homework questions away
 
11:02 AM
there's nothing wrong in homework questions
we chase the bad questions
uh I just had to write &buf[0].x
 
@Xeo I found it hours ago :p
 
union {
    struct { T x, y, z, w; };
    struct { T r, g, b, a; };
    struct { T s, t, p, q; };
};
fucking shit.
 
ewww
 
somehow I am not going to miss this codebase
 
@BartekBanachewicz Really important thing to have
 
11:05 AM
@CatPlusPlus but colors are in RGB(!)
 
Also, a job for lenses :v
 
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Make separate colour type.
 
@CatPlusPlus ha ha lenses in C++
 
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Screw vertexly-typed APIs.
 
std::compose(my_vector_lens, my_x_lens)
 
Xeo
11:07 AM
@Rapptz Well I have been stuck in meetings for hours :P
 
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@BartekBanachewicz ha ha C++
 
more like it
BTW is there any EDSL for SQL query building that's commonly used?
yay case passed.
 
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@BartekBanachewicz LINQ to SQL
 
@rightfold and for haskell?
 
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There are no commonly-used Haskell libraries.
 
11:16 AM
dang it
I found this thread but it's not very helpful
well there's HaskellDB
> This library allows you to build SQL SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, and DELETE statements using operations based on the relational algebra.
 
damn
looking at applying to that codementor thing and they want to know how many years experience I have.
 
{-# OPTIONS_GHC -fcontext-stack44 #-}
what the hell is that
@Puppy 0
 
I guess that actually, I must have started coding C++ nearly five years ago.
so long ago.
 
that's not very long
 
it feels like a super long time for me
longer than sickness
 
11:20 AM
I've been coding for around 12 years now
 
That's because you write C++
@BartekBanachewicz In C++?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, I did a couple years of Lua before that and a bit of BASIC before that.
 
@CatPlusPlus I started using C++ around 7-8 years ago
but TBH I made real development in that area only after I came to Stack Overflow
 
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@BartekBanachewicz cool relational algebra.
 
And you still don't know it, shame on you
 
11:21 AM
okay, solved the problem
 
@CatPlusPlus nobody knows it silly
 
it was such a dumb mistake
I had this buffer (std::array<char, someconstant>) in which I was reading data inside the client
but instead of parsing from begin to the amount of bytes read, I was parsing from begin to end
so in the chunk immediately after the one that was less than someconstant it was adding junk data that happened to be in there
it was usually data from the previous read
 
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@BartekBanachewicz GHC command line arguments.
 
so much time wasted for this :(
meh
can't do anything now
but I really wanted to finish this in a week
 
@rightfold what's that stack thing
 
11:30 AM
> To be clear though, Debian is not an operating system, but rather a ditribution of the Linux operating system.
pro
 
apparently Haste was a thing in 2012 already
 
Does the tuple constructor specify an order of initialisation of the elements?
 
oh heck that's a good question
ask on Stack Overflow and I'll upvote
 
11:36 AM
Meh, I can just look it up.
 
@Rapptz that comment at the end... wtf?
 
> For example, as of 2012, the Linux kernel had 15 million lines of code.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Hm, I guess ... 7 years or so for me?
With a bit of playing around before that
 
The kernel xz'ed tarball is 75 MB.
 
I wrote my first double-buffered game after 2 years of coding :D
@rubenvb this is ridiculous
 
Xeo
11:38 AM
I guess I only really started coding with 18, i.e. 5 years ago, when I attended the GA
 
the amount of useless crap in this thing has to be tremendous
I wonder how long would the C++ equivalent be
 
x-macros are surprisingly powerful
 
textual code generation is powerful, yes.
 
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Use Clojure.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I started coding in 2002 if you count coding for school
 
11:45 AM
@Rapptz Glad to know that I already broke 20kloc
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, it's immensely backwards compatible (hardware wise). It includes drivers for pretty much anything, too.
(unpacked it would be just under 600MB)
 
Oh.
Dammit. My encoding is not reversible.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's a hash then
 
I wonder if it really is a problem, though.
 
11:49 AM
time to crash some drivers
 
I'm trying to encode SHA1s into wordishes.
 
wordishes?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes for better memorisation?
 
@Puppy Things that look like words, but aren't. Like "wordishes".
 
word+radish
 
11:50 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes no
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If wordishes means "Things that look like words but aren't", then clearly it's a word and "wordish" is not a wordish.
 
decode //TODO
 
@Puppy NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
problem?
 
@Puppy Does that mean radishes are things that look rad, but aren't?
 
11:53 AM
@jalf YES
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
 
I don't know but radishes are certainly not rad.
 
encoding SHA1s into cryptic project names would be nice
"Blackfield Amazonbay"
 
so
do I spend £80 or £110 on a new phone?
 
@Abyx It was an idea that my boss had for making commits easier to refer to.
 
11:54 AM
@BartekBanachewicz sounds like a Michael Bay movie
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can use unicorns
 
So I just whipped up a syllable generator.
But the % bits are lossy.
 
your brain is lossy.
 
I have ~16.6 bits of possible syllables in those vectors, so I should have enough to map the whole uint16_t; I just need a smarter split instead of simply 6-4-6.
Well, not in the ones in the example, in the ones that would be there when I finish them.
 
so is wordish heterological or autological?
 
11:58 AM
@Puppy depends on what functionality do you need
 
@BartekBanachewicz My last phone lasted me like, four years, so I'm thinking of it as an investment as well as a purchase.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes try for Haiku instead?
 
@Mgetz I had same thought
 
@Puppy Cell phones these days do not last that long (4 years).
 

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