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11:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, yes we are debating the stench of my cats shits
 
Also you should force the cat to smell the shit, for educational purposes.
 
yet another reason to prefer dogs
they can be trained to shit outside where you can't smell it.
 
That's something you can teach a cat too
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol. How'd you end up reading about it?
 
I don't remember.
Oh, someone posted something where someone decided to take revenge on the guy that plays Sam for saying bad things about Justin Bieber by saying they won't watch Supernatural.
 
11:08 PM
I see Wincest threads all the time so I am desensitised to them by now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Beliebers are not people
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How would that lead to Wincest?
 
@Rapptz I looked up the actor then the show and then wikipedia mentioned that.
 
ctrl + f "Wincest" no results :(
 
> (2) If any earl, baron, or other person that holds lands directly of the Crown, for military service, shall die, and at his death his heir shall be of full age and owe a relief', the heir shall have his inheritance on payment of the ancient scale of relief'. That is to say, the heir or heirs of an earl shall pay £100 for the entire earl's barony, the heir or heirs of a knight l00s. at most for the entire knight's `fee', and any man that owes less shall pay less (...)
I don't understand.
This is a part of th eMagna Carta btw.
 
11:11 PM
Holy shit
 
> Being a cult series, Supernatural has garnered a dedicated fanbase.[206][207] They are active online,[208] and many have written fanfiction stories about the show, with a portion of the writers dedicated to stories involving a sexual relationship between Sam and Dean Winchester—known as "Wincest".
 
Wincest on Wikipedia leads to Supernatural
I don't understand. Wincest has been used way before this show existed :v
 
Not as punny, though.
 
> It's basically an act of hot sex between family members, which makes it WINcest.
Cool!
It's like anime.
 
my god the flag queue is full of "me too" non-answers .. I had no idea
 
11:13 PM
wincest
Brotherly love of a sexual nature between Dean & Sam Winchester of the tv show Supernatural.
"OMG, Wincest is soooo hawt!" squealed the fangirl.
lol
first I've learned of this
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked I'd wager wincest as a term originates from somewhere around there
@Rapptz wtf
 
Wincest originated on /b/ where they put these shitty porn pictures with some shitty text that implies a family relationship.
(I hate Wincest threads)
 
@StackedCrooked Basically, if you have that specific kind of debt, then the debt is secured on your land (to a maximum value) and if you die, whoever inherits has to pay it off.
 
> That is to say, the heir or heirs of an earl shall pay £100 for the entire earl's barony, the heir or heirs of a knight l00s?
Is barony = land? And what is l00s?
 
it's 100s, not l00s, and s is an older unit of money.
and the barony includes land, titles, and various other assorted property and stuff.
 
11:20 PM
I guess magna carta was more studied in depth in your history classes than mine (because you live in England.)
 
nope, not really.
the MC is best known for being "first", as far as I'm aware, not for being particularly good.
the rest of the stuff is just a bit of reading comprehension of Old English.
 
My history teacher deemed it a fundamental milestone in the making of the modern society.
@DeadMG lol
 
nope
the idea was a fundamental milestone, and the fact that they had enough power to force the king to accept it.
of course, a couple years (or maybe it was weeks) later, that changed and the whole thing went to shit
 
Dammit.
Few things taste worse than room-temperature tea.
 
room temperature pop.
 
11:24 PM
Room temperature shit.
(You guys are not even trying)
 
room temperature saliva
 
I just didn't want to shitpost.
:P
 
Well, excuuuuuse me, Princess.
 
I'm so glad Link doesn't talk.
 
More like shit Princess.
 
11:27 PM
@Rapptz Why?
Or, rather, why would that be inherently bad?
 
Because Nintendo is not very good at personification through vocals.
 
Last time I used return throw compl sizeof true xor not this and new signed long int volatile or false bitor nullptr not_eq operator unsigned const short bitand() +arr, 0; it was rejected in the code review.
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@Rapptz What does that even mean?
 
They suck at talky talky.
 
man
 
11:29 PM
Yeah pretty much
 
there are a couple of ways in which Dishonoured sucks, though.
 
I don't think Other M is a good example.
 
they really need an "explored areas" map.
 
@DeadMG You mean the plot? The characters?
 
and the characterisation of the villains is really poor.
 
11:29 PM
The characterisation of everyone is really poor.
 
hm, I disagree.
the good guys aren't as badly done
but the bad guys are hardly present, really.
and the city is so fucked up even without them it's really hard to separate general fucked-up-ness from their-fault fucked-up-ness.
 
@DeadMG They're all cardboard cutouts.
"Oh, hello, Cliché #27"
 
I'm getting better at this gif stuff
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A: Can vim's command-line-window be configured to *not* shift the buffer's contents?

seheYou could get somewhere closer by using :se scrolloffset In this case, having it at 5 would have approximated the desired effect: I know this is cheating a bit (my main window is bigger) and it is fiddly (it uses information from your specific starting view to keep the line shown). However,...

 
@EtiennedeMartel Spoiler: Cliches are not inherently bad.
Neither are tropes.
 
@Rapptz Yes they are, just like voices are.
 
11:32 PM
What?
 
Do you like my strawman?
 
No
 
@Rapptz I was there a month ago.
 
Mission complete.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Cliches are just common sayings that have become annoying due to their commonness.
 
11:32 PM
I gotta say
well, actually, I don't know how far everyone here is in the plot, so I guess I don't gotta say.
 
The problem I had with Dishonored's characters is that they're not really introduced.
"Hello, I am this general dude, now do what I say because... plot!"
 
Although the keyboard activity widget is kinda useless at this framerate ^^
 
@DeadMG no spoilers please :)
Even though I have no idea what you are talking about.
Oh, it's about Dishonoured.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sounds like Mr. Torgue in TTADK.
 
11:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Torgue was a parody. It's meant to be shit.
Dishonored takes itself very seriously.
But everyone in there is hammy and over the top.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes At least you didn't have to smell that.
 
actually
Dishonoured is one of the rare games where I actually came to gave at least a small shit about at least a small part of the plot.
 
You need to play better games.
 
Ell
Fuck I think I drank too Mich
 
nah
 
11:37 PM
Broken Age blew my tits yesterday.
 
Ell
Throw up imminent
 
Poor Mich.
 
@Ell Let it out. You'll feel much better.
 
the other games just need to have gameplay that works instead of being a film that plays terribly and runs in 20 hours instead of 2.
 
throw mich
 
11:39 PM
A game isn't just gameplay, and your enjoyment doesn't only derive from well functioning mechanics.
@DeadMG (Also, you seem to think that "decent plot" and "decent gameplay" are mutually exclusive)
 
you're right; they're both pre-requisites for any kind of enjoyment.
I can enjoy a game purely on a gameplay level, but never purely on a plot level.
it's only possible to appreciate a well-done plot if it's backed by well-done gameplay.
 
I can enjoy both. EarthBound had terrible gameplay.
Spec Ops: The Line had crap shooting mechanics.
 
I liked Paper Mario: Thousand Year Old Door because it had great gameplay and plot.
:v
I don't know many games that have really good plot and gameplay.
So that one is the only one that came to mind
 
Metroid Prime? Chrono Trigger? Half-Life 2?
 
System Shock 2 is the only one that comes to mind for me.
oh, and Half-Life 2.
 
11:41 PM
Yeah HL2 was pretty good at its time
 
Hell, any Zelda.
 
 
More recently, Bastion.
 
I only played OoT
 
Of all the Zelda games I've played, only Skyward Sword has given me... "feels".
 
11:43 PM
and honestly, whilst it was a fucking fantastic game, I'm not honestly sure I'd classify it as having a great plot.
 
@DeadMG It's based on a fairy tale, so of course it's generic.
I'd place it in the "bland premise but good execution" category.
 
The plot of OoT is pretty sad if you consider the fact that all the sages died.
Or well, it's a popular theory I choose to believe.
The game itself isn't very clear on that aspect.
 
@Rapptz They don't die, because their descendants are the maidens in ALttP.
(Ssshhh)
(I know it doesn't make sense)
(Sssshhh)
 
I didn't actually find Bastion that enjoyable
 
@EtiennedeMartel I like to think they died 7 years in the future, but you saved them when you went 7 years in the past.
 
11:45 PM
@DeadMG Did you play it with the volume turned down?
 
I swear that cat shits it's own body weight many times over a day
 
no.
oh, here's another great plot/great gameplay combo: Baldur's Gate series.
 
Bastion's gameplay was okay.
 
I recommend Bastion because of the narrator.
 
After a while it got a bit repetitive to me though
 
11:46 PM
And the soundtrack.
 
Baldur's Gate gameplay is horrible o_O
 
I'm siding with R here because he's the resident RPG expert.
 
@EtiennedeMartel officially different time lines IIRC
 
@thecoshman I know, I have the book with the timeline in it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I don't play many PC RPGs.
 
11:46 PM
Ending an email with "Thanks" as a warning that you're perilously close to losing your temper
 
@EtiennedeMartel Me too.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Wrong timeframe.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Noooooo I was counting on you.
 
What do you mean?
 
@EtiennedeMartel huh, well at least I remembered that
 
11:47 PM
well, correct me if I'm wrong, but AD&D was as good as it got at the relevant times.
it's easy to say that it's shit compared to d20, but that's not really a fair comparison.
 
LttP is right after OoT.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Have you played Dragon Age? (According to Wikipedia BioWare describes Dragon Age: Origins as a "dark heroic fantasy set in a unique world," and a spiritual successor to their Baldur's Gate series of games)
 
@Rapptz nope, different time lines.
 
@Rapptz In the "defeat" timeline.
 
The gameplay of Dragon Age is very good.
 
11:49 PM
@StackedCrooked honestly it's not that great.
 
@thecoshman I just checked the book.
 
@DeadMG Erm, that's irrelevant, as there are RPG systems other than the ones put out under the label D&D.
 
@StackedCrooked If by "unique world" you mean "ripped straight out of Tolkien's work like any heroic fantasy world".
 
Why has no one mentioned KotoR yet =/
 
Games
 
11:49 PM
@EtiennedeMartel let's ignore that
 
ooh, OoT is the one right before the three timelines split, isn't it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, that's true. But I was only 6 years old at the time so forgive me for not being an expert on the RPG systems of the day.
 
All 3 split from OoT.
 
magic in DA is super imbalanced (way more than in any edition of D&D) and the magic selection frankly isn't that varied or interesting, and certain spells are clearly massively overpowered.
 
@Rapptz ... which is what I said... or at least tried to :S
 
11:50 PM
@StackedCrooked Not yet. I have it installed.
 
@thecoshman Ah okay.
 
It's almost an old game by now. It was released in late 2009.
 
that's old?
 
But it's one of the very few games that got me hooked in the last 10+ years.
 
and
 
11:51 PM
@EtiennedeMartel ¬_¬ I wish I was well read enough to through some other piece of work right at people who say that
 
@Rapptz relatively
 
whilst I think that DA frankly had a rather generic plot
I thought they executed it pretty well.
at least some aspects of it.
 
@thecoshman ?
 
listening to the description of the dwarves being turned into Broodmothers was pretty nasty.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah I don't really know either.
I think it's trying to communicate.
 
11:52 PM
@StackedCrooked I was talking about playing a game my age a few hours ago :P
 
@DeadMG The plot was ok. I found the tactical gameplay the most exciting aspect.
 
it's really not very tactical at all.
 
@thecoshman I've read this 5 times. I don't think this is valid English.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah. I was being too apologetic :)
Good :)
 
the biggest tactics involved are "How do I position my warriors to deal the maximum damage with Fireball?".
honestly, spamming just a couple spells can win you virtually every fight in the game.
 
11:53 PM
@Rapptz :)
 
To be honest, what has kept me from playing DA so far is the fact that I saw my old flatmate playing it back then and it seemed to have too much boring combat for me.
 
Neverwinter Nights 2 had the same problem (amongst others).
 
@Rapptz ... which part exactly? seriously...
 
@DeadMG You need to play in Hard modus or harder.
 
@StackedCrooked I always play every new game on the hardest difficulty first time and Dragon Age was no exception.
 
11:54 PM
@thecoshman Everything right after "I wish I was"
 
OH!
s/through/throw/!
 
(including Dishonoured, by the way)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes fuck, yes
 
@DeadMG Did you play Nightmare mode?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. Suddenly it makes slightly more sense.
 
11:54 PM
I never even tried that one.
 
is that one of those dumb modes where you have to complete the game first?
 
@thecoshman That said, point me to a piece of heroic fantasy that doesn't feature elves and dwarves who hate each other and humans who are incredibly versatile dickheads.
 
because no way am I doing that shit.
 
@EtiennedeMartel A Song of Ice and Fire?
 
11:55 PM
Wheel of Time.
 
Well, it has the incredible versatile human dickheads.
Particularly the dickhead part.
 
@DeadMG I don't know, I never tried it. IIRC there was easy, normal, hard and nightmare mode which were all available right from the start. (I think.)
 
All books have dickheads.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, that's a strange one.
 
They're called antagonists.
 
11:56 PM
@StackedCrooked Well, I always played it on the hardest possible difficulty available when you first start the game.
 
@Rapptz They don't have to be dickheads.
Also, dickhead heroes are not unheard of.
 
I always find that stuff like "Easy" and "Medium" are for people who never moved a mouse before.
 
Yeah I know
 
(Can't help but think of Ender's Game, where everyone except Valentine and the buggers is a dickhead, no other exceptions)
 
That's a forgiving description.
And almost includes me :) I usually don't reach "Hard"
 
11:57 PM
Dishonoured's "Very Hard" might as well be "Finding your way back around the map is more challenging than the combat".
 
What game is this? The fact you can do that seems cool. Looks like BF UI.
 
@DeadMG I think so too. That's why I picked "Hard". But "Nightmare" scares me (because of my memories of Doom Nightmare difficulty).
 
@EtiennedeMartel that's kind of my point. Like I said, not well read enough was JRT really the first with that concept? But it's more the way people walys rag on people taking concepts that others have presented before. it's a different story when you basically copy an entire world some author has created, but taking aspects is reasonably expected.
 
@thecoshman Yes.
Tolkien was the one that defined that genre.
 
11:58 PM
@Rapptz That does look like BF o.O
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes god damn it >:( I want to throw books at people though!
 
Yeah it's BF4.
I didn't know you could do that
 
@thecoshman Can't do it when it's about elves and dwarves and Tolkien.
 

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