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10:55 AM
@RomanLuštrik I'm not the biggest fan of the UK to be honest!
 
11:12 AM
Ahah, I've found the back channel!
 
hey @Andrie, welcome
 
Thanks, @Roman. It's been fun starting to answer questions on SO. I do it mainly because I learn something new in every question I try to answer.
 
you bet. i've learned that working out a reproducible example, most of my problems become obvious
 
@Andrie Welcome :)
 
Has anyone ever tried to write a R plugin for SO? I find the timezone differences quite fascinating - seems to me the R question list suddenly balloons when the US wakes up. So this begs the question: is there an optimum time to post an answer / respond to a question?
 
11:26 AM
@Andrie : not really actually. There are plenty of folks from the other side of the ocean here as well, although I have to admit I'm checking more often late at night than at work
@RomanLuštrik : and congratulations with your "has no life" badge ;)
 
@Joris, thank you. It's all because of you. :)
 
@Joris And congratulations with your 11K reputation
 
Regarding the posting/answering time. I found that if I want to find any questions that I'm able to answer, I have to get up at 6am (GMT +1, Ljubljana).
 
@Roman I agree, early in the morning (GMT time) there sometimes are some unanswered questions. Not many, mind you, the Slovenians tend to get there first!
Later during the afternoon and early evening I find you have to respond within minutes to stand a change of answering first. Is that obsessive behaviour?
 
It's a swim or sink world out there.
 
11:38 AM
You mean it's a sink() or sink(file=NULL) world?
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Star, obviously.
 
@Andrie OCD is not uncommon among SO-veterans
@RomanLuštrik : you make me blush :-)
 
Makes you wish you wore makeup today, huh?
 
LOL I guess we have a slight misunderstanding here :-)
 
Does it constitute a sort of a record for getting sun-burnt over the weekend while programming?
 
11:46 AM
a record? for sure. Many coders code in their undies, but not that many do that outside
 
remember the windows 95 "game" where you solved puzzles with funny animation insets? one such inset was two programmers sun bathing at the beach and commenting about how hot the big light bulb in the sky is
 
She's back...
 
Oh no, she's at it again:
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Q: How to reorder the column in R?

CatherineHow to change this input (with order of time in out file) Time In Out Files 1 2 3 4 2 3 4 5 To this output file (with order of time out in file)? Time out In Files 1 3 2 4 2 4 3 5 thanks.

 
CLOSE!!!
 
Agreed!
 
12:00 PM
It's funny how you guys take it peronal. :)
 
personal?
 
Is she French by any chance?
 
Actually, lets just not answer her Qs until she starts playing the game?
 
hell yeah! this is a disregard for the language R in its purest form.
 
Slap in the face to all the people who spent time putting together so many useful manuals.
 
12:02 PM
The problem is that someone else will always answer...
 
@RomanLuštrik exactly
goodafternoon @Gavin btw
Hey hey, I noticed some improvement! I see an acceptance rate > 0% !
 
Wow, is it that late already. Where'd my morning go?
 
I have no clue what you've been doing in that morning, but I reckon it was interesting and/or great fun.
 
@JorisMeys Afternoon!
 
We're at 25%!!
 
12:08 PM
@JorisMeys Not much, that is the problem. Shows you shouldn't go away from the office for more than a day or two.
@RomanLuštrik 1 out of 14 isn't 25% despite what SO thinks! Obviously it allows a period of grace, but...
 
I guess that database is uploading a bit slow
I noticed that before as well. Or I'm again overly optimistic :-)
 
I just blindy follow what SO tells me. You know, I believe.
 
Howdy @Chase nice answer then delete there! ;-)
 
hah - i honestly didn't look who had answered the question...then posted and saw that I was feeding the trolls
 
@Chase : still, it's a nice answer :-) When she has done enough about her accept rate and start getting the purpose of this site, I might even upvote it.
 
12:13 PM
I'm lost. What is at 25%?
 
her accept rate
 
Hallo, @Gavin and @Chase.
 
meaning she accepted an answer on 25% of the questions where an answer is given.
 
I'm not math whiz, but I think 25% is infinitely greater than the 0% she was rolling with for the last week
 
Ah, thank you. So all the gentle nudging may start to work.
 
12:14 PM
morning @Andrie
 
@Andrie : indeed, all gentle and in good spirit. With helpful pointers to the F* manual
 
I know the SO system has some sort of automated algorithm that will eventually lock out a user ID...I have to imagine that account is getting close.
 
@Andrie Afternoon (am working my way through the email backlog from last week - will address your "beer" one later - short answer: sounds great!)
 
That's my favourite manual, too!
 
We are conspiring against a person, how exciting.
 
12:18 PM
@Roman - wasn't there something about suspending from high banners for a public pillorying :)
 
I never said anything about pillorying. I've never even heard of such a word. :)
... but I like it.
 
Hah, fair enough
 
I am familiar with the device, though. Too bad it went out of fashion. Would look GREAT on a few politicians I have in mind.
 
No @RomanLuštrik, we're not conspiring, we're showing her the light
 
12:54 PM
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Q: Reorder dataframe columns while ignoring unidentified columns

ariddellI'm thinking there's got to be a better way to do this. I'm trying to reorder the columns in a dataframe. I have a list, ordered.colnames, representing the new ordering -- but some of the columns don't exist in dataset. To avoid the Error "undefined columns selected", I've wrapped the relevant s...

Is this close enough to the question of Catherine to be a reason for closing?
I don't want to downvote, as the question she asked is actually put in a right format and hence fit for SO in general.
 
@JorisMeys It's close, but perhaps not close enough...?
@JorisMeys Exactly my quandary at the moment...
 
what I was thinking too...
funny actually that there is no question like this one that can be found. It must have come up earlier, no?
 
1:18 PM
@JorisMeys You'd have thought so...
...no, hang on, most other people read the manuals... ;-)
 
Would you believe? I found another Catherine :
only this one plays it smarter. Remember the conversation that bordered on xkcd.com/322 ...
 
1:42 PM
Most people read the manual after being told so, repeatedly.
Hot chicks get away with almost anything.
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and how much I try to pay attention to it, I notice that I'm also more forgiving for ladies than for lads doing stupid things in their code. Not scorewise, but I'll do a bit more effort to explain it again. nature...
 
those are perfectly legit reasons. my two cents :)
 
2:03 PM
She got the message :)
 
@JorisMeys 75%, nice. Now we just need to get her to read the manuals.
 
one step at a time...
 
...or at least skim them.
 
halellujah, payday! daddy's gonna eat for one more month
maybe answers to her should be a link, page number and paragraph :)
 
busy on that one
 
2:06 PM
oh, guys, i wanted to share these nice PCA results. aren't they pretty? they're actual results - a set of measurements from two cryptic species of butterflies
 
"Image not found" very pretty. :)
 
I've no problem finding it
makes me feel important
 
@JorisMeys Ah, "This website is blocked due to corporate policy."
 
Is it coincidence, or is this Catherine responsible for the increase in chatter here?
 
2:30 PM
@JoshuaUlrich You mean you can't get on dropbox??? funny...
 
@JorisMeys Yeah, apparently. We also can't use Google Docs. It's all very silly.
 
@Chris partly coincidence. I have an annoying dataset to work on now, the sun is shining and I feel like doing something else. This also explains why I'm not that concentrated today.
 
@JorisMeys We also aren't supposed to be able to install compilers, but we can use Cygwin (with gcc, g++, etc.). It's just weird.
 
@JoshuaUlrich oh boy... management thinks that collaborating too much will distract you?
 
If I had to wait for the tech guys at our faculty, I would be behind work for years (literally).
 
2:39 PM
the nice thing is that the tech guys here are completely ignorable. My computer doesn't fit the standards of our faculty at all. Luckily, I'd say... :-)
 
@RomanLuštrik I know that feeling. It took 6 weeks to get gcc upgraded on our Linux server. First they couldn't do it because they didn't have the pre-compiled binary and they told us we need to tell them where it is, but they refused to use any of the binary files we suggested because they were from "the internet". So we asked if they could install it from source. The UNIX admin "installed" the source by unpacking the tarballs. He had never run ./configure; make; make install.
So one of our more tech-savvy guys took remote control of the UNIX admin's desktop and installed it for us.
 
:chuckle:
 
No idea what the UNIX admin did for 6 hours, while our guy had control of his computer.
 
some it people are just a waste of space and air
 
@JoshuaUlrich you're serious...
 
2:44 PM
@JorisMeys I'm as serious as a heart-attack.
 
@JoshuaUlrich I'd get one from such a story...
 
@JorisMeys I was frustrated because I needed the upgraded gcc to build and test some add-on libraries for one of our applications.
 
3:00 PM
Too bad the R-core team isn't a wealthy company in need of new employees, I'd say :)
 
mornin gents.
 
afternoon, @Jeff
 
lo', Jeff
 
Hey, I'm planning on hosting example code and docs for Rack at github using their page feature. I'd like to create a good orgname so that I can start using orgname.github.com for citation. Anyone know a good org name?
for Rack?
 
what's wrong with Rack.github.com?
 
3:06 PM
maybe too specific?
don't even know if it's taken, let me see
yep, already taken.
 
3:34 PM
niceRack.github.com
 
Well, I just created the org named rstats!
so it'll have rstats.github.com
 
also good
 
and then I'm hoping to have rstats.github.com/rack
 
@Jeff sweet... very good idea
 
especially because many people are familiar with twitter
 
3:36 PM
exactly.
 
hey @jeff, I finished Unbroken this weekend. Thanks for the recommendation. Very good book!
 
I really liked it, too.
I admire those who've endured what ought to be fatal experiences.
Franz Stampfl is another guy I'm going to investigate soon. He was the coach that helped Roger Bannister break the 4 minute mile.
Stampfl was in some sort of a crash or wreck or something, and he also had the same observation about people, that the will to live in some can overcome just dire situations.
 
what's it about?
 
It's about an american solder who endured a plane crash at sea for over 43 days, then I forget how many months in a japanese prison camp during WWII.
 
I was listening to the audio book while working in the yard. When Louis' brother was dying and they were laying together in bed talking, my eyes started leaking. I figured it would be my luck that the neighbors would stop by and there I'd be, muddy from digging drainage pipe, leaning on a shovel, tears flowing down my cheeks. The image of their hypothetical awkward response made me chuckle and stopped the leakage :)
Louis Silvie Zamperini (born January 26, 1917) is a World War II prisoner of war survivor, inspirational speaker, and former American Olympic distance runner. Early life Louis Zamperini was born in Olean, New York to Anthony and Louise Zamperini. The Zamperini family moved to Torrance, California in the 1920s, where Louis attended Torrance High School. The son of Italian immigrants, Louis spoke no English when his family moved to California, which made him a target for bullies. His father taught Louis how to box for self-defense. Pretty soon, according to Louis, he was "beating the tar ou...
 
3:46 PM
cool, war books
i miss books from "the other side". would be interesting to read the german and russian side of the story
 
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Wondering how the 'survivor lit' from the other side reads.
 
@JDLong, yeah LOL.
 
i've read a few books on the home resistance here in slovenia and they're all pretty good. it's always interesting to go to the book store and skim new books for indices to see if my grandfather or his cousin are mentioned :)
 
@RomanLuštrik what languages are you fluent in?
 
i own band of brothers and pegasus bridge by ambrose. i always enjoy reading the first one for d-day
fluent in english and slovene
but i do basics for a few others
especially those from former yugoslavia
 
3:48 PM
Is it weird that I was running early morning Saturday listening to "The Steve Jobs Way" audiobook and getting misty eyed at a passage that I can't even remember?!
 
@Jeff not weird to me at all. But I'm easily moved ;)
 
this is my grandfather's cousin i was mentioning earlier
Franc Rozman, nicknamed Stane (Slovene convention: Franc Rozman – Stane, 27 March 1911–7 November 1944), was a Slovenian Yugoslav partisan commander in World War II. Early life Franc Rozman was born in the Carniolan village of Spodnje Pirniče near Ljubljana, in what was then the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy (now in Slovenia) in a Slovene working class family. His father Franc Rozman was a railway track-worker, while his mother Marjana (née Stare) was a housewife. He was the third of four children, with two elder sisters, Marjeta and Terezija, and a younger brother, Martin. At the age of ...
 
@RomanLuštrik, interesting point.
 
my grandpa was his body guard at one point
and you can be sure that stories from him were not as rosy as the communist victors made them out to be :)
 
wow... that's pretty interesting.
 
3:52 PM
what my grandpa said about Franc is that he was a gun-ho. just like i am :)
 
he seems quite ready to ride :)
 
let's just hope i never become a commander of a revolutionary army :)
 
@RomanLuštrik I'll drink to that!
 
Franz F. L. Stampfl MBE (born Vienna 18 November 1913 - died 19 March 1995 Melbourne) was one of the world's leading athletics coaches in the twentieth century. He pioneered a scientific system of Interval Training which became very popular with sprint and middle distance athletes. Early life Stampfl was born in the capital of then Austro-Hungarian Empire. He was the son of an Austrian general. He studied writing and painting in school. After high school he attended the Vienna Academy of Art and had some success as a skier and javelin thrower. He represented his country at the 1932 Olym...
 
I didn't realize he was the "father of interval training"
 
3:58 PM
man, dude moved back to london
after they've arrested him for not being british
what a smart lad
 
lol fail I just refreshed a "1 click" purchase page on amazon and got charged twice. Ooops.
 
he also pioneered the idea of pacers, i.e. "rabbits" for races.
 
" he still admired the English for their love of amateur sport, and felt their athletes could use his help." That's one way of saying that they're lousy at sports. :)
 
Old joke after the Beijing Olympics: the British are only good at sports where they can sit: Cycling, rowing, sailing..
 
4:26 PM
Hmm, has "she" set up a new account...?
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Q: R: load R table or csv file with the textconnection command

CatherineIn previous message R - convert table into matrix by column names I want to use the same approach for an csv table or an table in R. Could you mind to teach me how to modify the first command line? x <- read.table(textConnection(' models cores time 4 1 0.000365 4 2 0.000259 4 3 0.000239 4 ...

 
@GavinSimpson I think this is her third account.
 
If "she" has, then kudos for choosing the same name as before. That shows some serious level of stupidity
 
lol @ Andrie's reply :)
 
i'm actually impressed by the persistence
 
maybe the person has multiple computers and doesn't know that you can login under the same account...
 
or maybe her score got so low that she couldn't post questions anymore?
 
@RomanLuštrik Or enough of her questions were closed. I think she deserves her own tag... :)
 
catharinesque-question
catherinesque*
 
Third time's a charm: user:691390 user:694554 user:702533
 
@JoshuaUlrich Unbelievable - I hadn't noticed the other single-use account
 
4:43 PM
@GavinSimpson Yes, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was just an accident; especially given the quality of her questions.
 
@JoshuaUlrich benefit of the doubt then ;-)
 
4:58 PM
reminds me of a conversation I had at the office one day: "I can't believe we're wasting time trying to figure out if this guy is nefarious or stupid. The outcome of that distinction makes no difference as to our action"
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I'm pretty sure the same logic applies here.
 
@JDLong Nice post on your blog about syncing. I await the follow-up. I use Unison a lot to sync with my workstation in the office when I work from home or am out at meetings.
 
5:13 PM
@JoshuaUlrich This made me laugh out loud: Blah blah blah I'm stuck here is my data plz help omg
 
@Andrie I know! It's so fantastic; I had to up-vote.
 
@GavinSimpson thanks. I spent almost a full day googling & researching because I was sure I was reinventing the wheel. I hope to get the technical follow up soon.
 
@JDLong The effort was worthwhile - at least one happy customer here!
I'm interested in the technical bit too - I have a lot of problems with connections timing out from outside my University's firewall. Being able to automatically start a new connection and try the sync again would save me a lot of hassle until I convince our network people there is a problem.
 
@GavinSimpson I'm optimistic about the use of autossh, but only time will tell. I've noticed that sometimes it takes 10 min to reconnect after a disconnect. But my disconnects happen only a couple times a day
 
@JDLong my timeouts happen whenever I try to sink large files or directories with large amounts of files in them. But at least I can go do something else, like change nappies, and I know eventually the sync will go through. It usually does after enough manual restarts.
 
5:30 PM
@GavinSimpson oh gessh, that sounds like a total PITA. Yeah, something is broken there.
 
@JDLong tell me about it!
 
@GavinSimpson and by "something" I mean, your network admin :)
 
5:46 PM
@JDLong To be fair, it is only recently that this has started bothering me as I've been working from home a bit more of late. I've lodge a support request to see if we can track the problem down.
 
@GavinSimpson fair enough. Do you have access to the log files on the machine you SSH into? That might show something. But most likely an issue with the firewall/VPN, I suspect.
 
@JDLong Yep, I do. Haven't had chance to check the ssh logs as of yet. This whole thing works fine over a crappy wifi connection inside my University firewall and the times when they've taken the firewall down for whatever reason, things work fine, so I suspect the traffic is being silently curtailed at the firewall and unison sits there waiting for data until it timesout and loses the connection.
 
@GavinSimpson yep, it sounds like you're right.
 
@JDLong Will see if the network guys agree :-)
 
6:17 PM
Geesh, I didn't realize new issue of the R journal came out just recently. I gotta pay attention more.
I use Dropbox (don't hit me) to sync files from two computers. Well, actually three.
 
@RomanLuštrik by recently you mean last year ;-)
 
Vol. 40, Issue 1, Apr 2011
or am i missing something?
 
@RomanLuštrik That's the JSS, which is different than the R Journal
 
@RomanLuštrik Yes, that is the Journal of Statistical Software, the R Journal is something entirely different
 
Ah, so that's whati was missing, thanks. :)
 
@RomanLuštrik Dropbox is 85% of a perfect solution, IMO. But since they don't encrypt using a user key, I can't use them for work related things. I think their software & service is fabulous
 
@GavinSimpson is there an echo in here? ;-)
 
@JoshuaUlrich is there an echo in here?
 
Heeh, JD was in a hurry to write and made a typo. :P
@JD good point about the encryption issue. Fortunately it's not of concern to me, as all of the work I do should be open source anyway. :)
 
@JoshuaUlrich You have good hearing - I could swear there were literally microsecond between our posts ;-)
 
6:30 PM
@RomanLuštrik I've used dropbox and love it. iPad/iPhone integration is really well done
@RomanLuštrik after playing with other solutions I'm really impressed by how fast Dropbox is
 
@JDLong I haven't tried this myself, but a colleague told me he uses encrypted volumes on Dropbox for confidential information.
(I think he used TrueCrypt)
 
@JoshuaUlrich Oh, you mean the link. Your fingers are too quick for me - I didn't even notice the link in your comment that JSS != R Journal
 
@JDLong That's what your mom said.
 
@JoshuaUlrich Oh, how I've missed the Mom jokes!
 
6:57 PM
@Andrie That works if you default = unencrypted and encryption is only for your porn stash. I want to encrypt it all.
 
7:35 PM
New version of RStudio is out. Has anyone given it a ride yet? rstudio.org/docs/release_notes_v0.93.html
 
7:45 PM
i'm running the nightly build from a week ago. I'll upgrade soon.
 
Night all - just realised it is dark outside and almost 9pm (in the UK). Obviously modelling NH temperature trends is far too much fun!
 
g'night @GavinSimpson
 
Cheers. I'm off to bed as well
 
@RomanLuštrik Bed, pah. I'm just leaving the office. You know you are working too long hours when the air con goes off before you leave your building!
Really going now... need sustenance!
 
8:09 PM
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A: Efficient apply or mapply for multiple matrix arguments by row

Joshua UlrichSince your function is simple, you can take advantage of the vectorized rowMeans function to do this almost instantaneously (though it's a bit messy): set.seed(21) matrixA <- matrix(rnorm(5 * 9000), nrow = 9000) matrixB <- matrix(rnorm(4 * 9000), nrow = 9000) system.time({ ncA <- NCOL(m...

Vectorization destroys the competition...
 
8:28 PM
@JDLong you around?
 
8:46 PM
here I is
 
hoorays! I'm having the first STL RUG meetup today, thanks to you
just a meet-and-greet thing; no presentations
 
oh cool!
trying to find a group of folks you're willing to get together with and drink beer is the right first step!
 
Yes, as my co-organizer said, "I don't care what the presentation topics are if I don't like the people who will be there."
 
@JoshuaUlrich that's my sentiment EXACTLY
 
And we have 27 members now (including me)
 
8:52 PM
wow... that's pretty big considering you've not met yet
 
Yeah, I hit up a few professors at the major universities.
And 7 people have joined since Friday.
 
that's pretty cool. I hope it's not ALL students ;)
 
No students have RSVP'd
 
oh wow. that's good IMO
you want some students, but they don't have as much to contribute
although I got a really good one-on-one question about education at the last CHI-RUG. Guy asked me about being a non-CS guy doing programming type stuff and how to navigate a career. He has BS in Econ & CS. I've been pondering a blog post based on his question
 
Yeah, that's a good question. Especially if you're doing data analysis. Being able to do programming-type-stuff puts you at a distinct advantage.
 
9:01 PM
@JoshuaUlrich yup. I think the short answer is, "stay out of IT, stay close to the profit centers"
and maybe, "if you find yourself or your team being viewed as a cost center, it's time to get a new job in a profit center"
 
@JDLong Very, very true.
 
9:34 PM
@JDLong Sorry, I went out for a few hours. My earlier point about combining dropbox with encryption wasn't actually about file encryption. Instead, the idea is to create a virtual encrypted disk inside the dropbox folder, thus encrypting everything at that level downwards.
 
9:50 PM
@Andrie I read about that on the Dropbox forums. The challenge (as I saw it) is that the encrypted file stays locked while trucrypt has it mounted. So it can't be synced with Dropbox. Once unlocked, it should sync nicely. So it didn't meet my person need for both sync and encrypted backup.
 
10:08 PM
@GavinSimpson Catherines account is suspended until may 11. How comes...
 
@JorisMeys nowt to do with me. Maybe all the downvotes she was getting flagged her up and a Mod saw our comments etc, and decided to do something?
Seems all her accounts were merged too...?
 
pretty sure it is automatically, I just answered on your comment of hours ago :-)
ah, that might be as well. She truly got herself in some sh***what-a-word-tss-tss-tss. Wonder when she discovers the R help list. Or did I miss her there?
@JoshuaUlrich great discovery about the sample(factor()) thingy btw. I never realized that converting to a factor would be that expensive for big vectors. This is going to speed up quite a few simulations here.
anyway, I'm off to bed. Night all
 
g'night @JorisMeys. I'm heading home. later folks.
 
10:23 PM
night all
 

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