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@Bassie I was just noticing I need 6 more rep
 
Wow, first death by self-driving car today.
 
ye
 
inb4 public outcry for self-driving car ban
 
boost::future/boost::async to the rescue.
 
Kersen plukken is een hele linkse hobby, eigenlijk
Morons
 
user1804599
Links is leuk, mits niet boomknuffelaars
 
> Cherry picking is a very left-wing hobby, actually (for anyone else)
 
@Borgleader yup. Where "left-wing hobby" has been picked as favourite derogatory term for anything that right-wing/libertarians donot like
 
user1804599
6:14 PM
2016 is a great year so far
 
yeah, with brexit and people dying from self driving car
I'd say it's a success
 
user1804599
https://vine.co/v/eBQFdbO0Pw0
 
wat
 
@Borgleader Seems to me more like "a hobby in which virtually all humans participate constantly".
 
@JerryCoffin I was just translating :)
(google translating)
 
6:25 PM
@Borgleader I understand--I wasn't really directing the comment at you nearly as much as the OP (even though s/he's not around to hear).
 
oh i see
 
@Borgleader If I was arguing with anybody, it would be with @sehe. Not that I'm saying he's really wrong, just that (at least here in the US) things seem to go both ways--both the conservatives and the liberals accuse each other of cherry-picking, and at least as far as I can see, it's frequently true in both directions.
 
@JerryCoffin Politics wouldnt be politics without cherry picking and fear mongering
 
@JerryCoffin I was specifically referring to the Dutch political landscape. Hence the fact that I was both talking in Dutch as well as referring to their popular rhetorics
 
Is someone able to update $url = '../index.php"; to $url = '../index.php'; on stackoverflow.com/a/14968772/5798798?
I can't as the edit needs to be over 6 characters
 
6:30 PM
Why are you posting PHP here!?!?
 
Consider it a joke, if liberals call everything they dislike "leftist hobbies" (implying it's useless and a waste of money) then it's funny to bad things "leftist hobbies" to their face (they should be above that, right)
 
well it's not really a PHP "issue", I just need someone to update a line of code
 
user1804599
sqrt(2)^2 = 31 πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
 
@TheCodesee Done
 
thanks @sehe
 
6:31 PM
:31476753 At lease theyd be able to verify that your edit makes sense.
 
@Borgleader i tried but it wouldn't let me make the edit
i needed to change 6 or more characters
 
@sehe Fair enough--but human nature (or at least my cynicism) being what it is, my guess is that if you see a major political party that's not doing cherry picking, it's probably because you agree with them enough that you're not looking for it very hard. The chances that they really don't do any cherry picking sounds somewhere between unlikely and outright impossible to me.
 
@JerryCoffin :)
 
@TheCodesee my comment doesnt make sense now that you deleted your "maybe i should have asked in the php room" message
because thats what i was referring to
 
@Morwenn link?
 
6:35 PM
Our condolences for the tragic loss https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/tragic-loss
 
@sehe Wherever in the news. I don't have a specific one.
 
Ah. Not really self driving at all
Although reckless drivers have obviously thrown caution into wind and posted YT vids of them doing all kinds of weirdity while driving assisted
 
Time to steal SSSSort for good.
 
@Borgleader that's a weird tone of article :)
> The customer who died in this crash had a loving family and we are beyond saddened by their loss.
They would not have been saddened if it had been a McGregor family member
 
user1804599
 
6:46 PM
the flaaaaaaaaags theyre everywhere
 
@Borgleader Man, dat liability coverage.
Even the stats too, to show "well, look, we're still better than the others right now".
 
Its called damage control.
 
@ThePhD In the first paragraph.
 
7:02 PM
Damn. I have managed to misplace my TV remote control. I cannot find it. I am retarded. I found it.
But I have been searching 15 minutes before that.
 
Drama--
 
7:15 PM
@ThePhD "we're better than you and it isn't legally our fault anyhow." A+ lawyering there.
 
@jaggedSpire good evening ms. pile o' rocks :)
 
Also, booga booga.
Hey borg!
On mobile so typing will be even worse than usual. :P
How've your days been?
 
Slightly productive. Yours?
@Morwenn awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 
@jaggedSpire Closed three issues. Pretty good.
 
7:18 PM
:D such floof!
 
@Morwenn :Thumbsup:
 
@ThePhD When the issues is « the table's column names have disappeared », it's pretty easy.
 
It's another problem though when it becomes « almost all layouts in the project are fucked up ».
 
Liked it even though I hadn't heard the original.
 
7:21 PM
Nice! I finished a new method of retrieving data and related restructurings. Should be easier to substitute New data retrieval mechanisms now, which is good since it's supposed to change again soon. More centralized now too. :)
Sitting at the mechanic's now for oil change and starter system check.
 
user3047181
how do i do like... i need data from a function?
 
wat
 
How do you get data from a function?
Is that what you are asking?
 
user3047181
the argument is like ScheduleConfigManager* so like, what? i think its like const?
 
There needs to be at least ten times as much context here
 
7:28 PM
try being more comprehensible
 
No, theres needs to be a question on SO.
 
With more context. A lot more.
 
user3047181
well i think i need to use like "->" right? but i get an error like "no"
7
 
"no"
Lmao
 
Wat
 
7:31 PM
@MeltyButter Ask on SO. tia.
 
user3047181
okay i got it working :p sorry for being a bother
 
$ g++ my_awesome_program.cpp
no
10
 
Sorry for being sorry.
 
@Morwenn That's my line.
 
@Borgleader Sorry :(
 
7:35 PM
Lol
 
@Morwenn goto prev_message;
 
What's goto?
 
Something I'm sorry for using ;)
 
user3047181
shouldn't they have like a tool that says if you're using goto when you shouldn't be?
 
is it /wpf already bug?
 
7:38 PM
When you're unsure about your code and have to use your own tutorial.
 
hard to parse that one
 
@JohanLarsson I'd say WPF o'clock in about half an hour
 
@milleniumbug star the room and auto join it
nice with lurkers
 
what should I do for lunch
 
Eat.
 
7:51 PM
good plan I wouldn't have thought of that otherwise
I'm so glad you're here to give such insightful advice.
 
is that a chickpea patty?
 
It's kidney bean.
 
never had one of those before.
 
It's rather good. Especially with a good ol' mashed onions.
 
7:54 PM
you're right, though. It has been too long since I had a legume burger.
 
Soja steak is rather meh :(
 
huh
there's apparently a vegan take-out place nearby that I never knew about since it's buried in the business park part of town
they don't have legume burgers. They do have lasagna
 
Lasagna :3
 
I guess that vegan stuff from an actual vegan place might taste better than vegan stuff from your local meat producer that only wants to attract vegans too :p
 
It's been years since I had lasanga
 
8:07 PM
Its so good, all hail lasagna.
 
@jaggedSpire Shame on them :o
 
oh god vegan desserts are amaze
they take the whole no dairy thing as a challenge
 
Whats a non vegan dessert?
oh right dairy
woops
 
@jaggedSpire Tell us! :o
 
@Morwenn so there's a place that sells this vegan dessert here
it's basically an ice cream sandwich, but with chocolate chip cookies as the ends
and I have no idea how that shit isn't dairied to hell and back but it's just thr right mixture of bitter and sweet and the cookies have exactly the right give--where they're crunchy and chewy all at once
 
8:10 PM
Ice cream sandwich does not sound like the kind of thing I'd eat :/
 
what about cookies?
 
Where I live we just pile butter on sugar on butter on sugar on butter, add a bit of floor so that it doesn't just run away, then put that in the oven.
 
sounds delicious :P
 
especially the floor bit
oh dear god
is that caramelized sugar?
 
8:13 PM
250g sugar, 250g butter, 250g flour.
 
at any rate it's rare I don't get a blank look when I ask if a lasagna is vegetarian, so I'm very willing to try a vegan lasagna, even if it means they've substituted the cheese with tofu and yeast
 
whats the word for not eating meat but not against cheese/milk/honey...
 
Vegetarian.
 
vegetarian :P
 
@Morwenn Don't eat it! It's a trap!
 
8:15 PM
Ok... so whats the word for no meat no milk etc
 
vegan
 
oh.... ive been using those two interchangeably
woops, i thought vegan was short form of the other
 
@wilx But it's so good :o
 
there's a looser set of rules than vegetarian for those who are also willing to eat fish, called pescatarian
eh, it's probably a confusing word jumble to people outside the groups who have restricted diets
 
Hey guys, is there a specific library in c++ std to escape characters in a string or do I have to cut my leg off and write a function for it?
2
It seems like boost has one called "quoted" or something after some googling but
 
8:18 PM
what's really fantastic is the pescatarians will say they're vegetarian so they don't get interrogated on why they think cows and fish are different and then they'll eat fish in front of someone, who will then naturally assume vegetarians eat fish
 
It's not included in the set of .lib's that I possess right now. Downloading more might be a hassle
 
@OneRaynyDay is it a string literal?
 
@Borgleader It's an std::string
 
> The kouign amann (a.k.a. KA) is like a croissant, with sugar and even more butter, whose layers of dough are folded up like an origami flower, then baked at high heat so that the moist, flaky pastry becomes encased in a caramel candy sheet that sticks to your teeth. A New York Times writer once called it "the fattiest pastry in all of Europe," [...].
 
Oh woops, Boost's quoted.hpp(which had no documentation for) actually was published in c++'s std library probably recently. Cool, I'll just use std::quoted :)
 
8:21 PM
To be honest, almost nobody cares about the origami flower thing.
 
8:33 PM
@OneRaynyDay That's pretty cool
 
C'mon Savant, why don't you make songs I like anymore these days? :(
 
yay yup
 
Any idea on this one guys stackoverflow.com/questions/38153527/… ?
 
@Morwenn Oh my gosh, I tried that once. It was SO good
 
@OneRaynyDay Did you gain 10kg too?
 
8:41 PM
I did - but it was extremely expensive
I gained 10kg of pastry but I cried out 10kg of water
 
Eh, it isn't really expensive here.
 
I live in California, and it was in San Francisco where I got the pastry
 
Not the cheapest thing either (it's not a croissant after all), but anyone can afford it.
 
I think SF in general just has stupid high prices
The pastry costed 8 dollars, which is pretty expensive imo, for something relatively small
 
I don't think it's more expensive than 3€ here.
 
8:44 PM
Oh, hey. I found another nice prime number for rep :)
 
@sehe Oh wow - more importantly you broke 200k! Congrats!
 
Cheers
 
user3047181
Can you get a 9 bedroom house with crossbow range in calo?
 
user3047181
*cali?
 
@MeltyButter Are you Mark Zuckerberg? If so yes
 
user3047181
8:50 PM
@OneRaynyDay nono I'm fine with small bedrooms and outdoorses
 
same here :D I actually find apartments more comfy than large houses. I have this irrational fear of strangers living in my house if there's any extra rooms
 
user3047181
yeah... i mean if we were to compare, my condo would probably be the best
 
private static int A, B, C, D, E, F, G;
private static void Weirdness()
{
    for (int i = 0; i < 200000000; i++)
    {
        <something (see below)>
    }
}
A++; B++; C++; D++; => 719 ms
A++; C++; E++; G++; => 448 ms
A++; C++; => 518 ms
 
surely that's C and with optimizations disabled
 
Dunno if Java has an optimization switch.
 
8:56 PM
@StackedCrooked o.O huh
 
Alexandrescu mentioned sometimes writing to a full cache line can be faster than writing it partially.
 
user3047181
@Borgleader assuming you've tried a c++ switch, myeah?
 
Also I think incrementing every other element means you get a different 64-bit register per value. Maybe that helps instruction-level parallelism.
 
@MeltyButter The amount of sense youre making is negative.
@StackedCrooked I was thinking of false sharing or wtv the term is, but theres only one core involved so =/
 
Nah. There's no sharing between threads.
 
Ven
9:00 PM
@Borgleader ..sad
@sehe CONGRATS ON 200k :D!
 
user3047181
@Borgleader well yeah midway between corp-businessy guys and the hard working schmoes
 
Wow. Shouting event!
Thanks though :)
 
user3047181
so if there's every any emergency events, ping me!
 
user3047181
or any women!
 
Running libc++β€˜s tests against MSVC’s STL is finding bugs in VC’s compiler, VC’s STL, libc++β€˜s tests, and libc++’s product code itself.
 
9:01 PM
@Griwes bugs... bugs everywhere
ok someone just got plonked
 
Ven
@Borgleader salut bébé
 
@Griwes I like how GCC or Clang aren't mentioned as one of the buggy things. :D
 
@ThePhD Well, he's probably running neither of those, so... :P
 
I never plonk anyone.
 
user3047181
@ThePhD well who uses clang as anything, amirite?
 
9:04 PM
@wilx Your view of the Lounge must look like hell.
 
@Griwes Nope. I can think somebody is a retard without plonking him/her.
And still talk to him her in some fashion.
 
@StackedCrooked No it doesn't.
 
@Ven sup
 
Ven
@Borgleader aw you didn't plonk me
 
9:17 PM
@Ven Sorry, I can fix that if you want.
 
Hmm, I was wondering how I'm supposed to react if my boss gave me a task that can only lead to failure as I'm supposed to build something that is simply impossible yet.
 
hm pizza
 
Unless there is a way to teach a neural network to fill excel templates designed by people that have no idea how to write a decent template...
 
what
 
What does plonk mean?
 
9:22 PM
@LoΓ―cFaure-Lacroix that's worded so you are always right ("decent")
 
user3047181
plonk means like frwwwfgrh all your northern backsides on a northern backsides right?
 
@sehe how so? It's worded as I heard I have to fill text in place that were drawn on an excel file..
 
@LoΓ―cFaure-Lacroix you can always change the definition of "decent" to suit your needs.
 
So. You take the excel, apply a proper cell protection and ditto range names. Password protect the protection and done
 
if someone says "here is this template" even if it's clear to a human you can still say it's not a "decent" template and so be right
 
9:26 PM
@sehe that would work, if the template were to be modified by me!
 
If not, decline.
Also, less exclamation marks!
 
iiiiiii ey buddy I got some real good exclamation points, real cheap, unused. You want some?
 
My graphs look so shitty.
 
look at luabind
 
9:31 PM
But at least it's better organized now?
 
you should shank it so it doesn't beat sol anymore
 
I'm not even sure this is displaying correctly.
I also need to get a new scale.
 
@ThePhD you could add a margin or have your X-axis start with -0.0001 or something
 
@Griwes Yeah, he often contributes to libc++, or at least their testsuite by fixing small warnings found everywhere :D
@ThePhD I would actually be impressed if he could find bugs in GCC by running libc++β€˜s tests against MSVC’s STL.
 
@Morwenn I know, I meant if he ran g++ against VC++'s test suite.
 
9:35 PM
nah if he did that he'd find bugs in VC++'s test suite
 
He'd find bugs in his right eye :o
 
@ThePhD that would probably help make gcc compile VC++ code
 
@ThePhD What do you use to generate them?
 
@Morwenn Straight matplotlib
 
user3047181
well maybe g++ needs am updatrio, right?
 
9:36 PM
Vertical scatter plots look crap too.
 
@ThePhD I wasn't aware it could generate such greyish things :s
 
Ven
@Borgleader well I thought you plonked that guy because of what he said
 
It's also hard to understand. I guess I should not just plot all samples and instead plot the mean, stddev, and then make it a barchart with error thingies and colors.
Which means I need to select 12 colors..
 
@ThePhD Use tilted labels on the bottom.
 
@Morwenn Yeah, trying to figure out how to do that.
 
9:38 PM
Hardcore googling.
I remember doing it once.
 
You could use the box chart
it looks good
It would also look better if your scatter plot was less like a line. Something like that in mind: acupsy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/…
 
I was sort-of doing that before, but it didn't quite work out.
I might do it again now that I have proper scattering.
 
9:54 PM
I think I will have pizza
 
Wait, you still haven't eaten :o
 
Yey pizza
 
I got distracted and then it was too late for lunch.
I had a glass of milk to tide me over until it was socially appropriate to demand sustenance
 
Socially appropriate? Isn't it always?
 
@Ven I did plonk the other guy cuz he wasnt making any sense and i have better things to do than read that
 
10:02 PM
@borgleader what does plonk mean?
 
Back to making an indexer taking 2 parameters
 
@Borgleader yeah I'm pretty sure he's a troll. He has to be a troll. No one can make that little sense.
 
Ven
@Borgleader it's okay <3
hi jaggy!
 
@Morwenn well, dinner-sized sustenance
yo!
 
10:06 PM
@jaggedSpire Oh. I don't have those that often.
 
@Morwenn you do not consume dinner-sized sustenance with great frequency?
 
I don't.
 
I see
 
Wait, can I use something like auto to make a function return 2 different kinds of values?
 
10:14 PM
Mkay
Time to use base classes
 
auto is "figure the type for me" emphasis on "the", i.e. one type
 
I'll just use the base class for the different kinds of objects (and casts)
Attempting to return 2 different kinds of delegate functions in 1 indexer so you can call X['0'] and get a method with no parameters and no return
And X['1'] for a function with 1 4-bit integer parameter and returns a 4-bit integer
 
I am so excite for C++17 now
I don't even know why it's not like I'm going to get to use it at work
but it's shiny
 
@ThePhD Sub millisecond times? Are you sure your clocks are precise enough?
 
@wilx Yes.
I am using nonius.
 
Ven
10:26 PM
@jaggedSpire not as much as we hoped got in -- but a bit more than we later feared
 
And it's using the fixed VC++ clocks (QueryPerformanceCounter).
 
@Ven I'm liking the looks of those multiple return values with automatic type deduction and the constexpr if and the initializer if and switch
@Borgleader heh
 
Ven
@jaggedSpire multiple return what?:)
auto f() { return { 1, 2, 3 }; }?
 
@Ven structured bindings!
 
Ven
10:28 PM
aaah
 
it's gonna be so delicious
 
Ven
yes it shall
 
full of marinara sauce and with just the right amount of crunch
I should probably eat
 
Except that part where you need to specialize std::tuple_element :(
 
Ven
better customization points can come in later
 
10:30 PM
I hope they will.
 
yeah, it'd be nicer if it automatically worked for aggregate types, but oh well
 
they never do
 
sshhhh let us have this
 
@jaggedSpire Doesn't it?
struct mystruct { int i; string s; double d; };
mystruct s = { 1, β€œxyzzy”s, 3.14 };
auto [x,y,z] = s; // types are: int, string, double
From Sutter's Mill.
 
Ven
maybe only PODs
 
10:32 PM
may only PODs be
 
oh boy I forgot what [x, y, z] there is
 
it's new. You're not supposed to know
 
Is it like x, y, z = f(t) in python?
 
Ven
@Shoe not quite. but "almost"
 
10:34 PM
Same goal
 
@Ven The struct above isn't a POD since it contains an std::string.
 
pattern matching?
 
Ven
@Shoe it's a bit like x, y, z = f(t).defined_conversion_to_tuple
 
Tuple unpacking
 
struct destructuting?
 
Ven
10:34 PM
2019 will be the 20th year anniversary of std::vector<bool>
3
 
Not structs (or at least that part is less certain)
 
oh
 
@Ven Yay! Stardom
 
Ven
@Shoe though there are extension points for it
@sehe don't make fun of mentally challenged people please :D
 
It's not fun
 
Ven
10:35 PM
@sehe C++19 syntax :) (thanks)
 
When C++ adopts the Zimbu paradigm into its multi-paradigm paradigm
 
@jaggedSpire it does
 
@Ven I have bad news considering your fitness for committee work D:
 
@LucDanton I'm in tears.
 
Ven
@Morwenn Bad news? I'm accepted into the committee?
 
10:37 PM
@Ven Accepted? Haha, you have to pay for it.
 
speaking of the top of my head, it’s actually a larger class than aggregates
 
Ven
@Morwenn If i'm not fit for committee work, where's the bad news?
 
@Ven You're unfit.
 
Ven's an unfittie
 
Ven
and that's v good news
 
10:38 PM
Unfit for my very own committee :v
 
Ven
:O
I already have experience being unfit for the committee, since I've been a misfit in my real life since ever.
 
Aren't we all?
 
@Morwenn Speaking of which.
Moar tea
 
Moore tee?
Moar ear tea?
 
10:45 PM
Rekt less :D
 
Good directive
I've been bisecting my all self inflicted lockup bug all day now.
Started doing the very tedious file-by-file in the evening. Now down to line-by-line combing.
This will teach me to retest every step along the refactoring game
 
I've been listening to the same song for an hour now. Time to go to sleep I guess.
 
Nooo
 
Why? :(
 
Maybe you'll spot it: http://i.imgur.com/Pqw5781.png
That's the culprit. Going to do the full paranoid check by ironing it back out and - boom - I should have my bug back
 
10:49 PM
@sehe Now that's the kind of shirt I want to wear to interviews
 
Your prospective interviewers agree
 
Erasing while iterating without assigning the result of the erasure?
 
(Mind you, I was only refactoring the legacy implementation in order to understand it. So I can toss it and replace it with Asio)
@Morwenn break (well, return)
 
Oh.
 
It must be pretty subtle for me to not even see it right away, so I'm double-checking my bisection result first
 
10:55 PM
I don't see what could be wrong though. I guess I am going to sleep :p
 
:) I'll let you know what it was
 
Good luck & night.
 

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