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12:02 AM
public schools are all relatively 'free', because you are probably paying for less than 5% of the total cost
 
I assume when you say public you're referring to state-funded institutions
apparently there's some linguistic ambiguity there
 
nods
 
Good morning loungers.
 
I figured. The private schools I'm acquainted with would only be "relatively free" to a very, very rich person
when comparing with hiring several masters of their fields to tutor their kid
 
12:09 AM
Here, a lot of the private schools are subsidized too
but school provides 'standard education', if you hiring private tutors, they can provide catered education to your kids
 
eh, education is still pretty catered with an average class size of fifteen and an average year size of a few dozen
 
@jaggedSpire this article was interesting: wired.com/2013/10/free-thinkers
title is a bit over the top (as they usually are) but the content is good
 
12:27 AM
"here have some molecular biology, children!" "oh boy!"
 
12:40 AM
@Rapptz excellent lightning bolt scene
 
1:19 AM
hi
u sleeping?
 
1:30 AM
how many times have you been suspended here in the past 24 hours?
 
3 times
ppl hate me here I don't know why
 
It's not you it's the mods
2
We've been trying our best but there is a rogue moderator running rampant here
I cannot comment further lest I get banned
But we're all rooting for you, don't worry
 
thanks for solidarity <3
 
...
 
#staystrong
 
1:34 AM
#IamSino
 
some people are so gullible
too much love lately, I am dying of boredom ...
 
@Telkitty How did you know that I have been suspended many times ,?
 
@Sino She also gets suspended a lot, a kindred soul
 
@ElimGarak didn't get suspended at all for the past 3 months
 
1:36 AM
I love this song
 
Ell
Thanks @Shoe and @AndyProwl for such great music
Is robot back yet? I wonder how he's doing. I hope he is well
 
@Ell Nah, he has abandoned us.
 
humm
 
Ell
I am listening to josh groban now
These songs are so emosh
 
1:39 AM
you raise me up?
I am going to sleep in 10 minutes
 
I'll be counting down the seconds
 
Am in periscope
I would likereally to be moderator of Loung C++
6
@HubertApplebaum do you think is it possible ?
 
@Sino It is, follow your dreams and ask @MadaraUchiha
 
@Sino you could buy bluefeet a bunch of roses and ask her nicely
no, it's not bribing per se
 
who is @MadaraUchiha ?
 
1:43 AM
@MadaraUchiha suspended you.
 
a 40 yo male living in Denver, Jerry's neighbour
 
@Sino The rogue mod who's been causing a lot of headache around here
 
do you have a few old pet cats? If they are over 13 you could get them to open accounts on stackoverflow and make them to vote for you in the next mod election
 
Ah ok I don't know her
 
She's annoying
2
 
1:45 AM
@HubertApplebaum really?
 
Yes she's suspended me many times for no reason at all
It has been a real struggle to enjoy Lounge since her "election" to be honest
But I got tougher
 
@HubertApplebaum same :( I am traumatised because of her attitude
 
but Señor senior has alzheimer's, how can we trust you?
 
@HubertApplebaum where you from?
 
@Sino Serbia
 
1:47 AM
Ireland and you?
 
Am from France
 
Ah it's ok nobody's perfect
 
I was in Dublin last week
 
je mapele hubert
Charming city but am from Cork
 
but some are more imperfect than others
 
1:48 AM
@HubertApplebaum you work on what?
 
I am a retired fisherman actually
Programming is just my hobby
 
@Telkitty love your profile photo
@HubertApplebaum ah cool ;) you are expert on C++?
Ok good night everybody, nice to meet you (Au revoir)
 
No I suck at C++
good night
 
@Sino thank you
 
me am good at C++, I want to learn Python
 
Ell
1:52 AM
@ElimGarak he'll be back :3
 
@Sino why python? :(
 
so he can be good at python
duh
 
Our professor told us that pythos is the future we can do many beautiful thinks with python especially in Finance
python note book
 
Ell
France is full of snakes, that's true
2
 
Luc is a snake
 
1:55 AM
Hahahah
be a snake or not to be
lol
 
peniscope.tv
 
@ElimGarak my question was more... WHY you would want to be good at python?
btw i read the rules when do I get my pizza
 
I found a an off-cycle internship based on python language , it wouldbe a nice chance for me to learn that language f
@JABFreeware you english ?
 
my personal hatred for that language is probably showing right now lol
@Sino why are you asking?
 
it's innocent, i want to know where u from ;)
 
2:05 AM
@Sino Missouri
 
okey !
 
britishish accent I am told... and occasionally I spell it colour and do favours for people :P
if thats what you meant by english
 
2:29 AM
> le déploiement d'avions de comabas de l'armée de l'air
 
comabas lol
 
evenin' friends
how are you all tonight?
 
1 joueur de quilles dit a l'autre: c'est pas si mal comabas
@jaggedSpire i dont wanna go to sleep because then it'll be monday and I'll have to go outside... in the cold T_T
 
@Borgleader :(
 
Is it an optical illusion or does f.lux make the mouse cursor gradually bluer?
 
2:31 AM
yeah Mondays can be pretty bad
I assume that the cursor isn't affected by the monitor temperature alteration method they're using so it stays the same but the context changes to a warmer feel, shifting the threshold for "blue-ish" so it includes the typical white of the cursor
but really I dunno
 
@jaggedSpire might be an optical illusion then
 
that is cold.
it's only below freezing here
 
yeah thats not so bad, we had weather like that until recently
 
you should make some sort of hot beverage when you get home tomorrow night so you have something to look forward to in the cold going home <3
 
I already have you guys :)
 
2:39 AM
<3
 
3:49 AM
fox and hound /cc @Borgleader @ElimGarak @Ell @ThePhD @TonyTheLion @набиячлэвэлиь
 
4:02 AM
Lounge is asleep
 
Bad packet length 218783296.
ssh_dispatch_run_fatal: Connection to UNKNOWN: message authentication code incorrect
ssh pls
 
this catch testing framework is really good, loungers are so well informed of the good libs
 
lol
u using c++ newb?
 
to this day I always thought that CppUnit and the Google Test were my best options
 
 
1 hour later…
5:18 AM
> An opinionated todo-list plugin
 
"opinionated"
 
wot
"you need to water your plants but even if you do that you'll never get Cheryl back"
"About your plan to get a haircut: I don't think anyone notices you enough for it to matter."
 
 
1 hour later…
6:50 AM
good lord, I voluntarily got up at 6am
 
7:15 AM
@thecoshman Achievement unlocked: Early bird.
 
Xeo
mornin
 
7:37 AM
@wilx I'm normally up at 7 vOv
 
@HubertApplebaum I'm a he, by the way.
@Sino if you'd like, invite me to a separate room and I'd be happy to discuss it with you.
 
@MadaraUchiha betting a euro that he knew you were a 'he'
 
@Telkitty I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.
 
But sometimes he indulges himself in some kind of perverted fantasy ...
 
7:55 AM
@MadaraUchiha If that's the same Sino that was here a few months ago, Jon would be the mod to talk to for more background info.
 
@Mysticial Gotcha, thanks
 
he's a pretty rich guy he owns a lot of companies
rich as fuck I tell you
 
I'm hitting my first major roadblock in the job search - references.
Every place I'm interviewing for wants fucking references. But I have a short work history and I can't overwork the few references that I have. lol
 
Give them some pointers instead
3
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Oh, switching jobs again?
 
8:04 AM
@Mysticial Can't you self-reference? It's not like you don't have the material to do so
 
Feb 11 at 2:26, by Mysticial
@StackedCrooked I was fired.
 
hory shiet
 
Xeo
oh
 
Now I can say I've gotten a taste of this industry.
No worries though. It's tuning into a blessing in disguise.
 
how about doing something constructive instead
pi digits don't count
 
8:05 AM
Was it one of those en masse layoffs?
@HubertApplebaum Mysticial counts them
 
Unfortunately, the details are all under signed NDA.
 
Also, I don't think you want a job at a place that cares more about references than actual work or even your SO profile.
 
Mass layoff of up to 1 persons
 
@ElimGarak The problem is that every single firm that I've done an onsite for has requested references. (all except one so far)
I didn't need references going into Google or Apple. Nor did I need anything when I hopped last April.
Anyways, I need sleep.
 
Xeo
g'night
 
8:13 AM
Granted, the amount of traveling I've been doing these past few weeks hasn't been exactly great for my health. But yeah. I need sleep.
 
Xeo
Go relax for a bit then, if you can :)
 
user1804599
8:34 AM
I'm Zoidberg!
 
@Mysticial oh shit bro. in america though, so you could have just farted or something and got fired right?
 
user1804599
Value-dependent types are so awesome.
 
Ven
Yo lounge.
aaaand I got 9 Pull requests still open that didn't get merged.
 
user1804599
@Ven I solved a problem.
 
Ven
cool, did you get rid of telkitty?
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8:47 AM
@Mysticial I like you used the word tuning here like the true HPC minded person.
@Ven lol
 
user1804599
@Ven :P
 
@HubertApplebaum calculate the first N non-digits of PI
 
Bwuh.
I have to look at Selene in order to figure out how they're getting the performance they are...
Also bwuh.
 
Ven
so my program segfaults trying to copy a std::string. cool.
 
I had a segfault in the destructor of std::string earlier
 
Ven
9:06 AM
p std::__1::string a = row; in lldb segfaults. amazing.
 
user1804599
Use Valgrind.
 
Ven
i'm on os x :[
but yes, I'll do that
 
does valgrind not work on os x
 
Ven
It "works". but the adresses are wrong, there's a lot of false positives in os x's code (not mine), sometimes it doesn't report invalid stuff..
 
user1804599
9:10 AM
Install Gentoo.
 
user1804599
9:22 AM
If an SSL certificate is about to expire can I request a new with the same CSR or do I have to make a new CSR?
 
user1804599
Whatever I'll make a new one.
 
Ven
@HubertApplebaum
(gdb) up
#1 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
(gdb) down
#0 0x00000001016b6926 in ?? ()
 
Ven
here's what I get when I attach gdb to valgrind.
(gdb works fine when used standalone)
 
hey guys
 
Ven
9:29 AM
HeyGuys
 
hey @Mysticial
he's probably sleeping
 
hEY @Ven
 
Ven
hey you special snowflake
 
@Ven is this a work thing
 
Ven
@slaphappy yah.
 
9:31 AM
@Ven get vagrant, debug in a linux inside it
 
Ven
@slaphappy the project doesn't compile on linux ("yet")
 
@Ven ah, shit
 
So the protocol states that sequence numbers are stored as 64 bit integers and proceeds to send me a 20-digit ascii number
 
Ven
:/
 
h e l l o
 
9:32 AM
@HubertApplebaum they're 64-bit numbers, stored in ascii strings of length 20. what's the problem? :D
 
@MadaraUchiha my pleasure !
 
@slaphappy 10^20 > 2^64
 
@HubertApplebaum so there's no problem.
 
actually I don't get why the ascii
all other packets are in binary
 
you can just trust the spec and discard the high bits
lol
trust the spec
 
Ven
9:34 AM
 
strtoull it is
 
assume the input is correct
 
strttyl
yes and then the feed handler crashes in production and I get blamed
 
blame the spec
they'll fire it
why are you still doing this anyway
you've been complaining for almost a year now
 
you must be new here
it's a different protocol m8
 
9:37 AM
yes I am new what is this place I have a c/c++ doubt
 
new ones all the time
 
Bim
 
Ven
dans les dents
 
I don't care it's Chinese New Year here everyone giving me red pockets
 
dans la gueule @Ven :D
 
9:38 AM
 
Ven
why didn't I plonk this idiot already
 
everyone as in 2 people so far
 
it's Valentine time
 
Ven
@HubertApplebaum was dat?
okay, he's pl0nk3d now.
 
nooo don't plonk me
it's a chinese tradition
 
9:39 AM
you must have been really nice to them ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
user1804599
> Hey, you should learn how to use index otherwise you can't say you are full stack engineer.
 
Ven
plonking is a chinese tradition
 
married popeles give money in a red pocket to younger ones
 
user1804599
> full stack engineer
 
or condoms ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
Ven
9:40 AM
If you can't push and pop, you aren't a full stack engineer.
 
@HubertApplebaum It's an invitation in that case
 
How to plonk someone ?
 
user1804599
> engineer
 
@Zoidberg lol
so much lol
 
user1804599
An engineer is someone who engines.
 
user1804599
9:41 AM
Engineers gonna engine.
 
engining stacks
I have stack overflows sometimes. does that mean I am a full-stack engineer?
 
user1804599
@Ven Are you on IRC?
 
Ven
@Zoidberg no
I'm at work. thus not on IRC
 
user1804599
Ah ok.
 
Ven
my pc is still running as always
 
user1804599
9:43 AM
@Ven You know the problem with type classes that you can have only one global instance per type?
 
Ven
but i'm never gonna answer on irc as "vendethiel" before 8pm during weekdays
@Zoidberg yes, haskell's problem
 
@Ven discord ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
#newmeme #( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
user1804599
@Ven and the problem with allowing multiple instances is that you can e.g. fuck up the internal structure of a Set right?
 
Ven
@HubertApplebaum i'm on discord, just not checking often
@Zoidberg well it would just be insane. literally would have no meaning
because of implicit selection. ml has no such problem because you explicitly say which one you want
 
user1804599
Still that problem. You can still pass one instance once and the other a different time.
 
user1804599
9:46 AM
And how do you deal with set union? What instance will it pick?
 
user1804599
I just realised that you can solve that by parameterising the Set type on the type class instance using dependent types. You can even do this in Scala with singleton types.
 
Ven
the trick is to not have any implicit behavior
 
user1804599
Guess you can do it in ML with abstract types in modules.
 
user1804599
And in Scala similarly.
 
user1804599
Hmm that's nice.
 
user1804599
9:49 AM
Existentials are awesome.
 
user1804599
I'm so happy. :D
 
Ven
Solving non-problems still, like any good javascript developer does.
 
at some point it becomes useful, but you have to know about the solution beforehand
 
user1804599
I don't like that OCaml has three distinct and incompatible overlapping mechanisms (modules, objects, records).
 
user1804599
It's really a pity that Scala (which unifies these three) is so fucked up in general.
 
Ven
9:50 AM
that's OCaml's razor: "if there are two ways to do a feature, let's have both"
6
 
user1804599
Classes are basically a way to partially apply many functions at once. :)
 
rightfold alert
 
Ven
you got rightfold
 
yes
or from the other side, closures are classes with only one method
 
user1804599
Google's search bar is broken.
 
user1804599
9:53 AM
On the results page.
 
user1804599
@slaphappy No, they're objects with only one method.
 
user1804599
Not classes.
 
yes my bad
 
rightfolding hard
 
Ven
@Zoidberg the assembly solution is much better
 
user1804599
9:53 AM
@Ven You're just Jelly.
 
user1804599
@Ven Are path-dependent types worth it?
 
depends if you like walking
 
Ven
they can help "faking" dependent types
 
mediocre 2/10
 
Ven
I'm the boss of low quality starboard.
 
9:56 AM
must maintain meme supremacy
 
user1804599
@Ven But you need them if you want to unify modules and objects.
 
Ven
@Zoidberg you don't need both modules and objects.
 
user1804599
I want modules to be first-class values.
 
user1804599
That have record types.
 
Ven
Okay, my bug was due to undefined behavior identified by clang, and thus moving code out-of-order.
 
user1804599
let StrCmp : structure type t; val compare : t -> t -> int; end = module
    type t = string;
    let compare = strcmp;
end;
let myMap = Map.new(StrCmp);
Map.insert(myMap, "key", 42);
 
user1804599
@Ven I want something like this.
 
> The engineer made the most of the confusion, becoming an avid reader of philosophy and an expert on the works of Spinoza, the Dutch philosopher credited with laying the foundations of the Enlightenment.
 
Ven
@Rerito bg
 
user1804599
type Compare = structure
    type t;
    val compare : t -> t -> int;
end;
val Map : structure
    type (k, v) t
    val new : (s : Compare) -> (s.t, 'v) t (* path dependent type *)
end;
 
user1804599
10:02 AM
You can do this in Scala.
 
Ven
you can also do it in JavaScript™.
 
user1804599
Yeah but that's not verified by the compiler.
 
user1804599
So it's shit.
 
user1804599
I want to implement this.
 
@Rerito Not very shocking considering what our legal representatives do
 
user1804599
10:21 AM
@Ven Which is better? Store the Ord instance in the map itself (like Scala)? Or make maps with different Ord instances of different types (like OCaml)?
 
Ven
@Zoidberg vOv
mostly doesn't matter, methinks
 
user1804599
E.g. for set union it matters.
 
Ell
scala is cray mayn
 
user1804599
In the former case, union must take an Ord instance explicitly. In the latter case, it doesn't, but you can't union two sets with different Ord instances.
 
Ven
good.
both are fine
 
user1804599
10:24 AM
Hmm. :)
 
user1804599
The latter has less runtime overhead.
 
Ven
but might be more surprising
it's like "use-site vs declaration site" all over again...
 
user1804599
I'm implementing a BST in LS to compare both.
 
Ven
heh.
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Q: Overly zealous editing of answer, what to do?

pepoluanHere's an example answer. As you can see, the answer had been edited really significantly that finally the original answerer felt it necessary to add a disclaimer to the much-edited answer. What to do in this situation? Roll back to the last version by the answerer? And how to prevent similar ...

Aww, poor guy, trying to disclaim responsibility for a 5 year old answer. Pelted with the likes of "how can one learn ffmpeg commands if he only knows javascript" comments, damn. Can a mod please help him out of his misery and lock it? — Hans Passant 21 hours ago
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Now the OCaml one.
 
Ven
@Zoidberg "if node == null" pls
 
user1804599
@Ven ?
 
user1804599
It's fine.
 
Ven
10:50 AM
@Zoidberg !a? or unless a?
 
user1804599
Eww implicit Booleanness.
 
Ven
there's literally nothing implicit in there
the "?" is very explicit.
 
user1804599
Does it check only null?
 
Ven
no, because that'd be retarded.
don't do that.
 
user1804599
I want to check null only.
 
user1804599
10:51 AM
Stop bikeshedding.
 
Ven
otherwise, don't complain about javascript sucking, when you try your hardest to get bitten by stuff
 
@HubertApplebaum lol
> Maybe if you were more talented you could sell your code for money and wouldn’t have to give it away for free
 
user1804599
@Ven How is explicitly checking for null trying to get bitten?
 
Ven
how stupid is it, trying to make a difference between undefined and null?
a retard complaining about linux zelots. in fucking 2016. what the fuck is shit blog
 
@HubertApplebaum looking at the rest of this blog... this guy needs to get laid, jeez
 
user1804599
 

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