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6:00 PM
@elyse Probably not, depends on how well SQlite implements transactions
(Probably not very well)
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Hey! D:
 
why does apache restart every week
 
Because the server is sad
 
6:06 PM
@CatPlusPlus It's like PMS but for servers?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I've met those guys and nearly worked on that project.
 
@Puppy Whoa. Tell us more!
 
that's really pretty much all there is to tell.
 
Skipping over why you're using Apache in the first place, check for OOMs
 
Oh.
Were they not nice people? :c
 
6:07 PM
I was too sick to take the job and they also wanted me to return to university that I did not.
they were fine people.
 
Things don't just restart on their own
 
@CatPlusPlus system upgrade that went well, until weekly SIGHUP
 
SIGHUP from what
SIGHUPs don't live in the wild
Plus SIGHUP doesn't restart Apache, it reloads the config afair
 
> [Sun Sep 13 00:00:13.962400 2015] [mpm_prefork:notice] [pid 506] AH00173: SIGHUP received. Attempting to restart
I get one of those every week
I have no idea where that comes from
 
mpm_prefork is not very good choice of mpm
But if that's just the worker then maybe it has time-to-live set to week
Check MPM settings
 
6:10 PM
I don't know what mpm is and I don't care a lot
 
user3883753
good evening
 
Why is there a worker in my apache
 
user1804599
hi'
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok to handle requests
 
should I care about these things? or can I just let mpm_w/e restart my server every sunday
 
user1804599
6:18 PM
We have a cronjob that restarts dovecot every day because otherwise it runs out of memory.
 
Ugh.
 
6:22 PM
Going home with my new laptop after an hour of formalities
 
Python's doing that thing where variables aren't tossed around by value
and y = x doesn't explicitly copy x
 
I'm leaving early tonight. I'll resume stealing Boost's spreadsort another day. Have a good night!
 
but passing it into a function does copy it
What do.
 
good night sweet prince
 
There should be an explicit copy func somewhere..
 
6:23 PM
ITT Python == FORTRAN
 
@Morwenn Nighty night, sleep tight ♥
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... please explain...
 
@набиячлевэлиь Thanks noble knight.
 
@ThePhD if what you're saying is true... def copy(value): return value; :p
 
@ThePhD Will tryght :)
 
6:24 PM
@ThePhD import copy; copy.deepcopy(value).
 
@Rapptz Kinky!
@melak47 I wonder if that would work.
 
@thecoshman my old one died an I was entitled to a replacement
 
it doesn't
 
@Rapptz That's deep.
 
So I got it today, finally
 
6:25 PM
@ThePhD I wouldn't think so
 
That's... really strange, then
 
The picture with that article is striking. I mean, I have nothing against these people specifically, and they deserve the spot they have, but... where are the women?
 
Because when a thing enters a function, it doesn't modify the version outside the function.
 
not really
that's not explicitly true
 
Oh. Is there some nuance here?
(FWIW I'm doing this with lists)
 
6:26 PM
lists are mutable and functions can mutate them
 
arg = arg[2:]
Doesn't modify the list on the outside
But...
 
So @ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I need a tutorial how do I use this thing
Where is the start menu
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's some warranty
 
arg += [0] * [padding] does
 
@thecoshman thinkpad benefits
 
6:27 PM
Is += different from = in this case?
 
I got this one with a 3yr warranty as well
 
@ThePhD I think that just rebinds your local "arg" to a copied slice of your original arg
 
@melak47 So slices copy?
 
yeah, how deeply or shallowly idk
:p
 
6:28 PM
google "pass by object"
 
Anyway I already hate the keyboard
 
that's how python dubs their behaviour
 
I only put in my name and password so far
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why did you buy it, then?
 
Oh. Well, my bad then. I was doing slicing first so I thought that that was the default behavior.
But if its all mutable... maybe can force a copy with l[0:len(l)] ?
 
6:29 PM
@набиячлевэлиь I had to compromise something
 
Damn that looks janky.
 
Maybe I'll get used to the keyboard
 
@Rapptz Am doing
 
@ThePhD l[:].
 
@BartekBanachewicz Or use an external one if this one is really bad
 
6:30 PM
So far id say Lenovo > Dell > Apple
 
Toshiba > all of them
 
@набиячлевэлиь Toshibas laptops have shit cooling
Source: I've owned 2
 
Not really, no. But Toshiba keyboards aren't terrible admittedly
 
I've owned 2 and one has overheated.
 
You need to prop it up on one of those cooling fan things.
 
6:30 PM
Thinkpad keyboards are the bestest
 
They last a while though.
 
@ThePhD true
 
Pics/link to laptop, please?
 
Mine overheats all the goddamn time, but that's because I'm explicitly doing crazy crap with mine (like GPU intensive stuff).
 
macbooks actually have pretty shit cooling too
 
6:31 PM
Anyway if I could use an external kbd I can as well use my desktop
This one is for mobile use
 
you'll probably need to re-apply thermal paste after a couple years on a macbook
 
user1804599
Twitter is kaput.
 
that was my experience anyways
 
@набиячлевэлиь X1 or yoga, I'm in an SKM train :P
 
@ThePhD I've owned one, and it only started overheating once it left my service
 
6:31 PM
@набиячлевэлиь amazon.com/…
 
That's the one I have now.
 
I've received a spam email that said "send me a f#ckbuddy request so we can chat"
 
@ʞɔᴉNN couple of years isn't bad I gueds
 
What I find interesting
Is that they decided to censor "fuck"
 
6:32 PM
My old one lasted.... 2.5 years, but that's only because when I was in the hospital I tripped and smashed it and my shoulder hard on the floor.
 
Heh 17" laptops
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel spamfilters
 
@ThePhD poor laptop :(
 
Yeah, well, it failed.
 
I remember times when I wanted a big, thick 17"
 
6:32 PM
It lasted ~1.75 years after that.
 
> my username is BustyGirl3
 
Then I settled on 13"
 
Xeo
> Likelihood of automation?
It's quite unlikely (8%)
 
that's way too obvious
 
How busty are we talking about here?
 
6:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz star bait :p
 
Xeo
cause I'm the god of those robots!
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's what laptops are
 
user1804599
@Xeo :p
 
there needs to be at least some chance that it's accidental.
 
6:33 PM
Okay okay
I'm tired and on the train gimme some slack
 
@BartekBanachewicz are you doing arrows wrong?
 
hi guys, I'm also tired
 
> If you text me back right now I will show you what you would like to touch

Two hot sluts need a good bang
Check out my boobies It was a pleasure sexting with you
Sometimes I like taking trips in my spam folder
 
user1804599
> Van drivers

Likelihood of automation?
It's too close to call (57%)
 
user1804599
57% my ass
 
6:34 PM
I left this room with porn images, now what else?
 
@thecoshman what arrows
 
@BartekBanachewicz in what I directly responded to... the chevrons...
 
looking at the starboard the topic didn't change much..
 
@thecoshman mobile iface doesnt show direct replies
Neither does it allow creating one
 
@ThePhD I guess you could describe it as "pass-by-pointer-by-value" :D
 
6:35 PM
@melak47 That's just lolsy.
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh yeah, it's good stuff. But yeah, you said "Lenovo > Dell > Apple"... are you meaning the '>' to mean "is better than" or "but I'd rather have"
 
I meant "has keyboards better than" specifically
 
oh right
 
Also I only got 128GB disk and I'm already scared because garageband library alone is 14GB
 
well, I've always felt laptops keyboards were a case of trying to find something "not utter shite" opposed to "nice"
 
6:38 PM
Thinkpad keyboards are better than most cheap desktop keyboards
But OTOH even apple desktop keyboards are utter shit
Did I say overpriced
 
minus the weird cramped layout I like the keyboard on the Dell I use at work
 
Admittedly I didn't use the newest dells
 
Oh hands down, Apple are out of the game. Their keyboards are pure shite, and don't even look nice for it. I'm amazed they haven't just gone for some solid slap of capacitive death.
 
But I have a budget dell desktop keyboard at work and it's at least bearable
Better than logi for sure
 
Thinkpads are nice, but imo they should drop the nipple
@BartekBanachewicz DUCKY!!!!
 
6:40 PM
People use it vOv
It's nice once you get used to it because you can keep both hands at the kbd
 
@BartekBanachewicz I like my rubberdome logitech keyboard. sue me.
 
Wouldn't think it too hard for it to be an optional thing, but appart from that, the keys are rather nice, for what they are.
 
O✌️
 
@BartekBanachewicz that and the touchpad tends to not be that good
 
@thecoshman new thinkpad have really nice touchpad imho
 
6:42 PM
@BartekBanachewicz not tried
my work laptop is some hp thing, it's bleh
well, the keyboard is ok
iirc the Asus I had a short while had a rather acceptable kb
 
@thecoshman Ducky master race
 
@ʞɔᴉN you has Ducky?
 
yeah, ducky legend with mx browns
I think it's essentially a ducky zero with an aluminum top plate
 
I got a a Zero with blue
 
we r so sexy
 
6:46 PM
I was like, I want MX switches, I don't want to pay stupid money
If I want to light up me room, I'll use lights
'braided cable' come on ¬_¬
 
hah backlit keyboards are way overrated
 
macro switches... ergh, maybe
That said, it annoys my InternetOCD that my KB has green LEDs (for status lights) whilst my mouse has blue :|
 
this one is backlit (blue, not rgb) but I put PBT caps on so there's no shine-through
 
to the point where I am tempted to look to swap them out
 
my mouse has green/red/orange, my keyboard has white/orange :p
 
6:48 PM
@ʞɔᴉNi I have a keyboard with mx blue as well
And huh I was supposed to buy a new mouse
 
@BartekBanachewicz I got browns, coshwanker has blues
 
But I'm like financially dead
Esp after I paid for this freaking warranty
 
blues are pretty sexy though I sometimes wish I got it instead
who pays for warranties
 
Dude, I just got a new laptop thanks to a warranty
I guess it was worth it
 
oh, nice
I tend not to think that far ahead though haha
 
6:50 PM
Maybe I'm growing older
Bartek the Wise
 
s/s/d
or s/s/f
 
Or s/Wise/Dick/
 
lol
@Bartek are you working again yet?
 
Ye
Since 1st sep
 
> working as a programmer
> financially dead
hides
 
6:53 PM
I collect dead cats from the highway
 
I didn't get my paycheck yet :)
I had a 1.5 mo of holidays remember
That means 1.5m of no pay
 
...I know
I was mocking you.
 
The first paycheck should cover all my debts though :P
 
++x doesn't increment the value in python? q_q
 
@BartekBanachewicz how much was the warranty? (and how long did it last?)
@ThePhD of course not, it xes ++
 
6:57 PM
For the yoga I don't remember, but it was 2yr iirc
 
> ++count

Parses as

+(+count)
That's...
Oh. Well, okay then.
 
For the apfel it was ~180 euro for additional 2yr
 
why does a nice language like python need unary plus :p
 
@melak47 "Identity operator" it's called.
++/-- don't exist
 

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