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2:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok sorry
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wasn't meant for you.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok sorry
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes he knows
 
Gosh, you too?
 
Stop it.
 
2:01 PM
I can fix that /cc @LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
ITT apologising is a bad thing. Can't bloody win.
 
Yes, you're fucked either way
wait
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you have my sympathies
 
yes my am fucked
@Pris FINALLY!
:D
 
Does anyone use Boost.Iterator with VS2013?
I get build failures because of the debug iterators and stuff.
 
2:04 PM
am I the only one here who always pays his bills late?
I always forget about them
farthest I went when I paid one 5 days before them cutting the service off
 
If I pay my rent more than 2 days late they electronically shut the door (no fake).
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Not too bad if you are inside.
 
The electricity is also cut off
lol
 
do you live in a prison
 
~China~
 
2:07 PM
I once saw a black dude in China that looked exactly like Don Cheadle
He had like 4 Chinese kids and a Chinese wife. It was super crowded so I bumped into him by accident a couple of times... I thought he was gonna kill me
 
@Puppy so turns out not initializing the AsmPrinter things caused no asm to be printed. who'd have thought. (I was missing the HexagonAsmPrinter lib for no apparent reason :/)
 
@Pris That would be the proper reaction to expect from a black dude, yes
 
so now I have an obj file that I can't figure out how to link with anything! woo
 
He had that angry Don Cheadle look
 
By the time the machines can stop pretending to fail the Turing test we should no longer be a threat to them. It will be OK. @tckoppang
 
2:10 PM
@sehe No. I don't do Twitter, and don't plan to do so either.
 
@AlexM. Dude. Direct debit.
I don't pay any bills manually.
Well, except my bar bill.
 
I pay everything manually.
 
what if they're not fixed size bills?
I pay for what I consume
 
Doesn't matter
 
So what if they're not fixed sized bills?
 
2:11 PM
also I don't trust banks to do auto transactions like that for me
 
Provider forwards the bill to your bank
 
Direct debit != standing order
Never had a problem
That's some 1,000 transactions done for me over the years
 
forwarding isn't happening here, all I can do is deliver a fixed amount of money towards one of the companies each month or sth
 
(Probably more)
 
or maybe I didn't look hard enough
anyway, paying manually isn't that much of a hassle
I go to a bank, find this guy
scan the bill and insert $$$
 
2:13 PM
@JerryCoffin Ok (I called it :))
@AlexM. not very confidence inspiring
 
@sehe is it the mustache?
 
lol "go to a bank"
have you invented electricity yet
 
yes, we make goats run on a wheel like hamsters for it
 
do they have space outside to park your goat? :)
Unresponsive web design: <html> <script> while (true); </script> </html>
 
It's the whole deal. It's a standalone apparatus. It's designed for toy appearance, not robust function.
The fire alarm trigger is unreachable behind... thermostat?! alarm control unit (WTF!!!)?
The fire exstinguisher is loose, on the ground (can easily be use as a weapon and breaking tool, e.g. to smash the window immediately to the right).
The power cord to this funny machine is directly accessible.
And that's /just/ the smells in your picture frame
 
2:17 PM
@AlexM. Pretty sure they support direct debit. It's like a SEPA thing.
@AlexM. Wait, you pay manually, with cash, through a machine?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes or with the card
both work
 
Why get the cash out anyway?
 
@sehe Ah, so you did.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The one way in which automation can still generate more jobs.
 
Also OH SHIT
 
2:19 PM
> Clang Now Supports Targeting The NaCl OS
I'm wondering when they'll realize that NaCl has become any regular rich client (potentially with easier push-updates)
@R.MartinhoFernandes What now. #define struct union?
 
There's one thing I don't pay manually: my rent. I was supposed to stop paying it and forgot to cancel the recurring payment.
 
I give mum my rent money
3
 
hey why you need to stop paying rent
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Moving out.
 
2:20 PM
she takes care of turning them into eur and bringing them back for the landlord
 
oh I see so it's not your rent
 
Have two months of whatever-you-call-it.
 
for how long have you been paying a randomer for a place you don't live in
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Might as well get a driver's license now. all risk mitigation failed
 
I only pay the rent, bills etc are included there
 
2:20 PM
oh huh what
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes notice
 
whatever that is we don't have it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I effectively pay rent two months in advance. I.e., it's all paid until May. Well, now until June since I forgot.
 
how odd
we typically pay a month up front
so it's hard to mistakenly pay extra, cos you're moving out on that day (or before it)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit some landlords do that here too
 
2:22 PM
It depends on the contract, I guess.
 
all bills included in the rent
 
sure
but tenancy contracts here are typically basically the same. there's a template sanctioned by govt
 
in a month the only thing I'm going to be paying are the bills :3
 
it works when winter expenses on heat and stuff are very low and want to make the tenant pay you more
 
a landlord can prompt you to sign whatever they like, but good luck getting tenants if it's not a typical shorthold lease
 
2:23 PM
@BartekBanachewicz That's true all the time, no? What else would you pay?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean I'm moving to my own flat
 
car insurance
food
booze
 
so it's going to be around €70/mo
 
there's a tax on living space you own
 
2:24 PM
sex
or is that a bill?
 
it's like a rent to the state
 
@AlexM. not here
 
@AlexM. lolwut
 
well maybe a little but really not much
 
how can your country not tax people who own land and houses
it makes no sense
 
2:24 PM
uh
no?
 
ask your parents
lol
 
we get taxed on the purchase of land but not continually on owning it
actually it might be the property not the land
it's called Stamp Duty
 
I don't know how often my parents pay for owning land and things
 
Council tax?
 
it's called "impozit", I don't know how to translate it
it's probably once per year or sth
 
2:26 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's for living in a council area (and thereby consuming council services). not for owning anything.
@R.MartinhoFernandes in particular, you pay it when you're renting, too
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sure there is
 
> 0,74 zł od 1 m² / year
lmao
that's like €10 a year for my flat
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh. Wikipedia says it's based off of "residential property", whatever that means.
 
in fact more to the point, if a property is occupied by a tenant, it's the tenant who pays council tax and the owner doesn't
 
the tax I was talking about isn't paid directly anymore I see
it's taken every month from your paycheck
 
2:28 PM
@AlexM. wut
 
land with a residence on it
 
so that's why there were two salaries when I got hired
 
land purchased with a view to live on it
 
and I was asked which one of them should be the one I asked for
 
2:28 PM
@AlexM. How does that work? Do you have to provide your employer with your property information?
WTF
 
user1804599
C++ should have AWK-like BEGIN and END.
 
user1804599
Fuck ctors and dtors.
 
user1804599
I wonder whether it's possible to create a macro for this.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, as long as you are employed the state takes some of your money
I think the tax on belongings is separate
this is so complicated
 
user1804599
Certainly possible if ; is required at the end.
 
2:29 PM
what the fuck
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The government handles tax affairs, bub
 
That's a different tax.
 
step it up people
 
and the government knows where you live and what your circumstances are
 
we at codegolf almost won an internet already
 
2:29 PM
so that they can handle your tax affairs
 
why are there so many taxes wtf
 
what the
 
@райтфолд what again
 
2:29 PM
it's like we want our lives to be shitty
 
it'd be more shitty if you did not have access to essential services and stable government
 
it'd be less shitty if we didn't have to pay for essential services and stable government
 
We've been over this with @Ell.
Where's @Ell?
 
Is requiring something to be default-constructable annoying? Or like, short-sighted?
 
Yes. No. Maybe.
 
2:33 PM
it's weird tho
 
@Pris Yes if it's not necessary
 
the state takes money from me and I don't even know why or how much LOL
 
3 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
it'd be more shitty if you did not have access to essential services and stable government
That's why.
 
I mean I don't know the separate reasons
 
@BartekBanachewicz siiiiiiiick
 
2:34 PM
i.e. what each tax is for
 
@Pris it's like programmers.se
questions too shitty for SO will go there
 
@AlexM. For everything. The budget doesn't usually get allocated based on the source.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't see the issue with recommending software or tools to do something. I'm glad there's a place where those questions won't be closed
 
There are several sources, and several sinks, and their relations are many-to-many.
Money is fungible.
 
yeah I wish the budget was in 1NF
 
2:37 PM
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A: How can I rescue dorfs trapped in semi-molten rock?

James WoodwardIf you dump stones on their heads, they might die. Just letting you know. However, if you have enough space for them to stand to the side, that might work.

 
@AlexM. You're too rich :_
@AlexM. Newton Farad?
 
tbh I'm satisfied with my paycheck and I'm easy to make happy lol
as long as I have money for games and pizza I'm OK
 
@sehe First normal form.
 
And shopping malls across the globe :)
 
2:41 PM
I should not have had that coffee.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah thx
 
@sehe yes well a pizza is nicer when you eat it at the mall, after you bought games or PC stuff there :D
 
well played
 
Mall pizza sounds horrible.
 
I won the tamagotchi game
 
2:42 PM
Sbarro isn't awful
But it's overpriced
 
@melak47 I know, the targets thing is a complete piss-around for no useful reason.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes depends on the restaurant :( unfortunately at the closest mall to me the only pizza place is Pizza Hut
their pan QF is good though
actually I think I'll go home a bit earlier today and eat one, hmm
 
user1804599
I wish I were a gnome.
 
I wish I were gone home
 
I made 32 cups of vegetable korma. I don't have to worry about food for at least a couple of weeks.
 
2:47 PM
@juanchopanza yeah, this one merits a faq entry. It comes along at least twice a day — sehe just now
 
@Jeremy you should, now that BBC stopped paying you.
 
@AlexM. boston beer company?
bitches be crazy?
 
@райтфолд why would you want to be a lawn ornament
 
2:52 PM
@райтфолд heh, I just saw that question too
 
@sehe I think I know what urban dictionary thinks BBC is
 
I think you might know or might think you know or might think you might know what the dictionary says about BBC-the acronym
 
@BartekBanachewicz you realise it's a team thing... funny how that slipped past you.
 
@sehe And yet i still click it
Thank god my company's not a viridian dynamics
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Oh right, I remember now: CHECK MARK is what Rails uses somehow.
 
2:58 PM
How does this code make you feel, in terms of like... ugliness
 
@AlexM. Cool :)
 
Now I have to implement light cones to display things properly.
 
have you guys had some GNU/javascript today?
I was rude not to ask it before
 
So much for "avoid 'thank you' or '+1' comments"
 
We are back at full functionality and all stable. We'll keep an eye on the impact of recent features throughout the day.
 
@thecoshman it didn't
 
Theme of the day
 
they should've made a B on his suit
Backup Man
 
user1804599
So I had this wonderful idea.
 
jumping off a bridge?
 
3:09 PM
No punching someone through the internet
 
a new language
 
user1804599
recur not only for for loops but also for while loops, match expressions and if expressions!
 
user1804599
Nah, that's totally silly.
 
user1804599
What a terrible idea.
 
3:13 PM
I like granite.
 
user1804599
I like bitches.
 
user1804599
Daisy is the best bitch.
 
Hmm. Shared ownership or non-ownership, that is the question.
 
:/
Weak ownership.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Whose question?
 
3:18 PM
We own a ship
 
You are a pirate!
 
Or a skipper.
Or a parser.
Who knows
 
The system is only able to... please, does SE not employ the best engineers available? — digitgopher 19 hours ago
@digitgopher: Yeah but they're all busy working on Tamagotchis and TV channels :) — Lightness Races in Orbit 7 secs ago
 
Also hats.
 
3:37 PM
mmm last fix for today and I'm going home
 
@BartekBanachewicz not surprised, after all that hard work
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's the last issue on jira assigned to me
 
@sehe lol
What doesn't he/she engage in?
;)
 
@BartekBanachewicz time to assign yourself a new one
 
pff
I might read another chapter of Pro Git in the meantime
 
3:39 PM
moar winz:
@Lightness Races in Orbit I concede to one who "races in orbit" that snprintf() does not depend on "phase of the moon". — chux 24 mins ago
 
what's playing in your boxes right now?)
 
@E_net4 no he's not!
 
...
You might've poked me for a greater purpose.
Off I go again.
 
3:54 PM
colleague just asked what a path like \\ComputerName\SharedFolder\Resource was
 
4:05 PM
Let’s play 'guess the subreddit', I’ll start:
> According to Cultural Analysis of the First Galactic Empire, Palpatine was insistent on spreading Nabooean culture across the galaxy. Is this accurate?
 
@LucDanton TwoX
It's always TwoX.
 
Good attempt, but not this time.
 
Well, won't it be invoked by hist last statement? — JBL 34 secs ago
not afraid to admit that I'm milking this for all it's worth
 
To add to the list of things you cannot put in a library if you target VS: boost::counting_iterator<int, boost::iterators::random_access_traversal_tag, int>
My boss wrote his own strong_typedef because Boost's is bad.
Of course his is bad too.
Why does he like these hacks :(
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You won the battle, but lost the war.
 
4:21 PM
@Zereges: Frankly, It's more sad that you're using Microsoft Visual Studio 2015. — Lightness Races in Orbit 5 secs ago
 
> parboiled2 is a Scala lib for fast and elegant parsing of arbitrary input text. It implements a macro-based parser generator offering these main benefits over Scala parser combinators: Several hundred (!) times higher parsing speed
 
user1804599
Also hundred times faster compilation?
 
user1804599
Otherwise I don't care.
 
It probably doesn't matter too much for a batch compiler, but when you're developing an IDE, several hundred times faster can be a life-saver.
 
ARGdfg
Now I can't get rid of "warning C4146: unary minus operator applied to unsigned type, result still unsigned"
 
4:26 PM
lol @ title
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why do you want to negate an unsigned?
 
@fredoverflow It's a template that delegates unary minus to the underlying type.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: I had to, for handling my homework which required variadic templates black magic which for some reason, was not compilable in compiler provided for Visual Studio 2013. — Zereges 42 secs ago
^ excuse for using VS2015
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol gutted
 
And in VS you cannot have anything that might warn in a template, because it's impossible to remove the warning unless you do it 1) globally, or 2) at every instantiation.
So broken. Fucking one-phase lookup.
It's a long chain of delegation through a ton of boost code.
 
user1804599
> So, for example a+ % ',' will match a or a,a or a,a,a or so on, but it will not match a, or a,a,. To match those as well, you may use %% instead of %.
 
user1804599
4:33 PM
Perl 6 regexen are fucking nice.
 
How is "Linux Kernel" a programming language? lol
 
@fredoverflow lol "popular"
 
@fredoverflow About the same way "Ruby on Rails" is?
 
Also, ffs why does he use unsigned all over :(
 
good god they all look like such fucking nerds
 
4:39 PM
@JerryCoffin Maybe "Hating C++ in favor of C" counts as a programming language?
 
If you use unsigned types when you want normal arithmetic, fuck you, really.
There's no reason for me to be fixing these bugs now. They shouldn't exist in the first place.
 
@fredoverflow Given that it includes Linux Kernel, PHP, Java, Ruby, and a bunch of neck beards, I'd have guessed at something about "public displays of bad taste".
 
Is Ruby really so bad?
 
1107 occurrences of size_t is horrible.
 
Xeo
lol
 
4:42 PM
Though VS's find in "Entire solution" seems to include 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 12.0\VC\crt\src\dbgheap.c'
 
stars are fucking amazing
 
Gosh. I want to bitch about my boss's bad decisions and VS is still trying to sidetrack me into the usual "VS sucks" rant.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes #choices
 
@fredoverflow So when do puppy and rightfold get their pics up on there for wide and mill
 
6 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
good god they all look like such fucking nerds
they can't now
 
4:44 PM
The funniest thing is that there's another option in the find dialog, name "Entire solution (including external items)"
What a fucking joke.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why is using unsigned types bad? I use them all the time
 
@Pris When their Eclipse plugins are finished?
 
@Pris I don't care if you need modular arithmetic all the time (that's why you use them, right?).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I use unsigned by default unless I need signed. I started doing that because I always got comparison warnings for loops and conditionals and the habit stuck... so I wanted to know if there's any reason not to do that
 
4:46 PM
Things is, we don't need modular arithmetic and now I'm chasing wild geese to get this shit to compile.
@Pris Yes, VS trains you to be like that.
 
@fredoverflow No, probably not as bad as most of the others on that list.
 
I don't think I have ever heard any negative comments about Ruby.
 
What is monkey patching? And what does it have to do with Ruby?
 
@fredoverflow It's a Ruby feature.
One of the features that sets it apart. (And it's a horrible feature)
"open classes" is another name for the same thing (but people use it with other meanings in other contexts)
 
4:50 PM
At least it sounds really funny.
 
@Pris You use modular arithmetic by default unless you need regular arithmetic?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How is undefined behavior on overflow any better than modulo arithmetic?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes: I use the type that seems more appropriate wrt/ its domain.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I use unsigned integer types by default. I can't remember the last time I needed a signed integer for anything
 
The difference on what happens beyond maximum is usually not interesting to me. Wrap or overflow is usually not wanted anyway.
 
4:55 PM
@fredoverflow that's cos it's so shit nobody can be arsed to say anything bad about it
 
@fredoverflow Underflows are horrible.
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow It's like this horrible thing: ideone.com/ygnoIt
 
@Pris You use modular arithmetic by default and cannot remember the last time you needed need regular arithmetic for anything?
 
user1804599
The only nice thing in this example is the colours of the syntax highlighting.
 
@wilx It's not just maximum.
 
Xeo
4:55 PM
@fredoverflow Detecting underflow on unsigned is pretty much impossible if you don't have a limited range
 
user1804599
It's perfectly possible with inline assembly!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok, minimum as well, underflow or wrap from below. Same thing for me.
 
@wilx Yes, and overflow is a lot less common than underflow.
 
Xeo
@райтфолд I thought you hated syntax highlighting!
 
user1804599
No, I just don't program with it.
 
4:56 PM
@wilx What do you gain by taking that risk?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think it's fair to suggest that [signed] int directly relates to "regular arithmetic" in the same way that unsigned directly relates to modular arithmetic. As you say, underflow exists.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What risk?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What do I risk?
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He's talking about "underflow" of unsigned types (if you didn't mean that already)
 
4:57 PM
I predominantly use unsigned int because most of my ints are either short-term counters of which I want the whole range, or longer-term re-usable counters of which I want the whole range and eventual reuse
@Xeo Yes but underflow exists for signed too and there it's really shit
 
Dunno. I have never had significant problems with either.
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit At least it's detectable.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I also use unsigned integers for things that I know won't be signed. Can't say that's the right thing to do. But it's habit and it has worked out so far.
 
@wilx So you picked the worse :(
 
@Xeo if (u+1 < u) detectedItBub();
not well-defined for ununsigned
 
4:59 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I picked defined behaviour instead of UB. Is that worse? :)
 
@wilx 1-2 is defined for both.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It is?
 
It's usually garbage for one of them, though.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, it is.
 
do I need a type family to express type ModuleRunner (Module s) a b = MonadState s m => a -> m b?
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yes
 

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