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6:00 PM
Admitting I suck at maths and life is easy
 
FTR, though, I suck at computer graphics
 
@AndyProwl Do you have to use Cinder?
 
@Pris I don't, I just thought I'd give it a try, since I never used it
In hindsight, there were probably better alternatives
 
If you want to do 3d stuff I think OpenSceneGraph is the best c++ lib I've used
 
I am somewhat familiar with OSG
 
6:01 PM
Its a fairly light abstraction over OpenGL... so if you want to use OpenGL directly its not the best bet though
 
there's also a lot of worse alternatives
 
No, I don't really want to use OpenGL directly, I'm just being kinda forced to
I've also googled a bit to see if OSG and Cinder can coexist, but nope
 
If you can draw raw OpenGL in Cinder, then they can coexist
 
> Unfortunately (for us), it wants to take control of much of the render pipeline, so it isn't easy (if even possible) to let OSG and Cinder live next to each other
 
6:04 PM
> Unfortunately (for us), it wants to take control of much of the render pipeline
That guy doesn't know what he's talking about
 
Oh, OK
The think is, both OSG and Cinder have an handle events/ update / draw cycle
Not sure how easily it would be to make them coexist
 
You can manually call 'frame'
Cinder probably gives you an update function or something where you can issue draw calls... that's where you call osgViewer::frame() (or something like that its been awhile)
Anyways, you should use what you feel comfortable with, Im just kinda annoyed that someone would say something blatantly wrong and then go and roll his own scene graph library because he couldn't spend 10 minutes looking at the osg/examples folder
 
Well, I think I'm gonna stick to Cinder for this game
But good to know it can coexist with OSG
 
Bartek is right, jumping into 3d is hard if you decided to skip the math class instead of having fun with math, and it only gets harder, not easier.
 
what the fuck
is github down
 
6:09 PM
Yeah I also couldn't push
But eventually I managed after trying a few times
 
It's been under attack since like Friday
 
btw is someone up for this adventure game jam
I think it only slightly collides with snake jam
 
Is that or every Chinese is doing git push at the same time.
 
Remember what happened the last time jams were scheduled so soon after one another
 
@CatPlusPlus it's not my jam
 
6:17 PM
So my blog is down then. Oh well.
 
Xeo
Whoah. Crazy thunderstorm out there.
 
so
I have a branch of hate working under 3.3
I suppose I should restructure this somehow
the compat changes
but right now I have no idea how
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I fixed my problem finally, by using the universal solution: redo everything.
 
hi nooble
 
Hey.
 
6:20 PM
I've seen you did some work on our amazing vcs :D
 
The best VCS :D
 
I think the poor cody got a bit confused yesterday
we've shown him life basically
 
Yeah.
I mean he did say he knew how to use git.
 
that was so bad
hmm Github image diff tools are amazing
 
I wonder if he's going to come back or if he's traumatized forever.
 
6:23 PM
mmm closing issues feels good
 
@BartekBanachewicz I closed that "add help command" issue yesterday.
Hehe.
 
yeah I've noticed
I'm closing issues in Hate
getting back to it after 3 weeks feels weird
but I think I still feel good about the codebase
 
Github is down again.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Works everytime.
 
6:31 PM
so what was the problem
naturally you can compare the old and the new, right?
 
Well, for some reason it couldn't find glew.h
That's it.
I don't think I've made any changes.
But now it can find it.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Okay now I see the change.
Yep, I'm stupid.
Forward slash instead of backslash.
This is msys/mingw64's fault.
 
Microsoft's compiler can hndle forward slashes in includes perfectly well.
Wide uses them exclusively.
 
I'm using mingw64.
and MSYS.
 
then how is it Microsoft's fault? :P
 
10 seconds left to edit ninja right there.
 
6:37 PM
@Nooble I've already solved that with this mob libcrosswind it's all in implementation/graphical/opengl
 
pretty crappy tool that can't handle both forward slashes and backslashes.
 
@Nooble loooooooooooooooooool
 
Also, MSYS insists my root is /c/ instead of c:/
I wonder why windows uses backslashes.
 
@Nooble Shhhh, have some popcorn these are the build scripts for the libraries.
 
@Nooble actually I can't see it
 
6:39 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Can't see what?
 
@Nooble any forward slash
 
It's in the source.
#include <GLEW/glew.h>
 
that's not what your console output said, son
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh god you're right.
What the hell.
 
@Nooble Typical approach for Unix-ported tools on Windows.
git bash does the same thing.
 
6:42 PM
ok i'm gonna get sorta serious. i'm fine with using windows: Unity or Unreal Engine?
which is easier? :|
 
@Blob Unity
 
do i need to pay or something if i release it for free?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I surrender to the mingw gods. Source has back slash, output has forward slash.
 
what about for money?
 
6:43 PM
If you need power, Unreal Engine. Also, Epic Games takes 5% from royalties after you ship.
 
@Blob neither
> need power
if you need power, use your wall socket
 
src\Hate\Graphics\Api.hs:10:51-56:
    Module `Hate.Graphics.Sprite' does not export `Sprite'
hm.
 
how's Hate looking so far?
 
strong as usual
 
6:45 PM
it's that asteroid game, right?
 
Lel.
 
no, it's a framework
 
terrible, I hate it
 
lol backslashes lol haskell
 
@Blob that asteroid game is just a sample
 
6:45 PM
scnr
 
only just got that
 
user1804599
Alright, ended up writing code that keeps an actual stack at runtime.
 
user1804599
That way generating jumps is much easier.
 
@Puppy scnr?
Oh.
Never seen anyone use that acronym before.
 
cause you're shtoopid
 
6:49 PM
sh2pid.
 
Sorry Can Not Read
 
unity on windows, here i come
 
Javascript is a good example of how this can be that FYI.
 
damn it
I need an "internal" version of every module
this can't be good
 
For API compat?
 
6:54 PM
@CatPlusPlus no, for general structure
for example
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Super Cool Nemo Robot.
 
Hate.Graphics.Types holds the outer types right now
 
I can't push to github but the site works... ugh
 
but also InternalGraphicsState
 
@Blob But UE4 is more powerful.
You can also make your own engine.
 
6:55 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Seems dubious
 
I can't move InternalGraphicsState to Hate.Graphics.Internal
 
Why not?
 
Are you leaking internal details again :v
 
Module imports form a cycle:
         module `Hate.Common.Types' (src\Hate\Common\Types.hs)
        imports `Hate.Graphics.Internal' (src\Hate\Graphics\Internal.hs)
  which imports `Hate.Common.Types' (src\Hate\Common\Types.hs)
@CatPlusPlus Common.Types is built in terms of InternalGraphicsState
InternalState is a record that holds InternalGraphicsState
 
6:56 PM
well then it's not really common is it?
your modules are too granular I'd guess
 
it is, as in, it's the state of the whole library
 
@fredoverflow weird
cAsInG
 
I need to have state of the whole library as a defined type to create StateT out of it
@Puppy I made them granular because the types modules could freely import other types modules without cycles
 
er
 
but right now it seems I need both Hate.Graphics.Types and Hate.Graphics.InternalTypes
I can't see how it can be done other way without leaking the internal graphics type to the user
 

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