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6:00 PM
But not android
 
@DonLarynx no one really uses swing
 
@DonLarynx Swing is easy to work with, right up to the point that you actually run the code, and then want to commit suicide for having inflicted such horrible crap on the world.
 
@DonLarynx it's fucking terrible
 
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how do they know I shared it?
 
6:03 PM
unique link
this one has my shit in it
 
oh right
 
user1804599
!!
 
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My compiler qualifies symbols now!
 
6:07 PM
@Borgleader It's better han answering the copy/paste question.
 
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@Fanael Yeah, that code worked for m with VS 2013.
 
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It's a regression.
 
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@AlexM. use JNA, not JNI.
 
This looks interesting for JNI: github.com/MortimerGoro/SafeJNI
 
@MartinJames Lets put aside the fact that the question isn't worth answering for a second. Why the hell would you answer a C++ question with SQL!?
 
6:08 PM
'Advanced IF and Else':
'http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28749675/advanced-if-and-else'
 
user784668
@ThePhD You're using the preview?
 
@Borgleader I would do it just to piss off the OP.
 
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@Fanael Yep.
 
@Pris we've mostly watched it
and it's mostly unrealistic
 
user1804599
This is so gucci.
 
6:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz If javaScript is going to die eventually, can I be put in stasis until then?
 
@MartinJames I always wondered: if somebody's in stasis, what would motivate people in the future to take them out of stasis? Does anybody believe there's likely to be a shortage of people in, say, 100 years?
 
@JerryCoffin Interest
 
@JerryCoffin You don't have to spend time or resources training them to do stuff they already not
*know
 
@JerryCoffin Take me out of stasis? I would write a script to do it.
 
Though I guess your knowledge would be p useless in 100 years
 
6:15 PM
@Pris So, no change then..
 
Violating ODR does not lead to "peace of code" :P — Andy Prowl 8 mins ago
lol
 
I can imagine @MartinJames being taken out of stasis greeted with "quick you're the only person alive that can debug our 100-yo JS systems"
 
@BartekBanachewicz ..gets back into the stasis pod.
 
No because the entire front page of SO would be flooded with: PLZ HALP URGANT PLLLLLLLLLZZMysticial 16 secs ago
 
@CatPlusPlus Hmm...so like: "I put a bunch of money in a numbered account, and the first person to cure me gets to collect the interest"? I guess that could work.
 
6:18 PM
oooh, I thought I just used up my nice pick in MC... thankfully it unbreaking and so reappeared with 0 uses left.
 
user1804599
@Mysticial you can on Mathematics.
 
@JerryCoffin The miraculous power of money
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin Assuming your monies will still be worth anything in the future?
 
user784668
@Mgetz So? PHP is open source.
 
6:22 PM
@Fanael Yes that would be required for that idea to have much merit.
 
@Fanael I think you're missing the point, if it happened it would be the first time that a core windows component was open sourced in anyway really.
 
user784668
@Mgetz .NET, which is de facto core Windows since Vista?
 
@Fanael except not, because it's not installed by default on server.
 
Desktop is not installed by default on server either
What's your point
 
user784668
@Mgetz What? How do you run PowerShell on server then?
 
6:24 PM
(Also .NET is)
 
I already made my point, if you want to be thick that's your choice
 
Since 2008 at least
 
@Fanael you install it and .net if you want it
 
No, you can't not install it
Core is default since WS2012
 
@CatPlusPlus ok you turn on Windows management framework in the server console, happy? regardless, .NET is not enabled by default.
 
user784668
6:26 PM
@Mgetz And my point is that stuff being open source is not interesting.
 
And even if you choose full GUI then .NET4 is installed
Have you used WS2012 even
 
w/e be that way, not really interested in arguing
 
@CatPlusPlus and yes I used to develop on Azure at my last job
 
.NET 3.5 is not installed by default
Note that Azure images are not default installs
 
6:28 PM
@CatPlusPlus I was also SCM which was on Server 2012 r2
that was local
 
(Not that it matters since it is considered core component by MS anyway)
Also another browser, meh whatever
 
Xeo
Hm. I think I'll have to admit... that I have no idea how to properly write testcases for my game.
 
Interesting STL Q&A (Hadn't seen this one before.)
 
user3010322
You'd test things like physics and desired world behaviors in isolation and in conjunction with other things.
 
user3010322
And that's about it, really. The rest is hand-testing. :v
 
6:35 PM
@Xeo does it run 1) yes 2) no
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus But it's open source, which is very innovative for a browser!
 
@StackedCrooked he got the very first question wrong
idiot
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why are you talking to yourself?
 
user1804599
@Mgetz lol
 
6:42 PM
@райтфолд did you read their reasoning for not using webkit? They actually did consider it and blink
and they have a VERY good reason
 
user1804599
@Mgetz they considered <blink>?
 
@райтфолд yes they did, not mentioned there but they did. They chose not to because it would inevitably cause the web to stagnate if there was no competition
 
@Xeo is it written in FP
 
user1804599
There should be no competition.
 
user1804599
Because first of all, almost all users don't give a single shit since they don't know what it is anyway.
 
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6:43 PM
And second of all, the less platforms you have to support as a developer, the better.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz no
 
@райтфолд do you want to be stuck with IE6 again?
I don't
because that's what you get without competition
without clang there probably wouldn't be C++11 or even C++14
 
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@Xeo just hire a QA team with an extremely high immunity against boringness.
 
@Mgetz That's just a straight up silly thing to say
 
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@Mgetz If there was just IE6 and nothing else, IE6 would've been the best browser.
 
user1804599
6:45 PM
And it'd be fully compatible with all browsers.
 
user1804599
So yes, that'd be great.
 
@райтфолд you can have your stagnation, I'll take competition and like it
 
@Xeo look at me shedding a tear then
 
Xeo
Very helpful.
 
user1804599
Great.
 
6:46 PM
I like working around multiple crappy implementations of crappy specs
 
user1804599
(dict) is now identical to (mill/prelude/dict).
 
Funny flags
 
user1804599
It's resolved by the compiler!
 
@Xeo well there's that but I think your game is more dynamic
I actually know how I'm going to test Hate already
 
user784668
Fuck browsers
 
user784668
6:47 PM
The web should be static text files
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, I'm having trouble with the physics part, which is basically... everything.
 
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@Fanael hyperlinks are nice, though.
 
@Xeo no point in testing box2d itself eh
 
@Xeo You could maybe run a simulation with a bunch of expected final values? What kind of game is it?
 
Xeo
Platformer-esque
 
user1804599
6:51 PM
@Xeo Should've been decoupling!
 
user1804599
Mock the physics library.
 
So all I wanted to do was install the compiler toolchain, headers, and libraries from MSVC++ 2013... and I ended up with all this:
 
user1804599
Then you can test things without intervention from physics libraries.
 
Frustrating. Very frustrating.
 
user784668
@райтфолд lol physics library
 
user1804599
6:52 PM
@NathanOsman Install Gentoo and clang instead.
 
Can Clang cross-compile for Windows?
 
user784668
Yes.
 
Hmm... I didn't know that.
That's cool.
Clang is wicked fast too... much better than Mingw.
 
user784668
Clang is basically an alpha version of GLaDOS
 
I might just look into doing that.
 
6:57 PM
@Fanael I for one welcome our compiler overlords
 
@NathanOsman heh
 
@NathanOsman Yes--it's progressed from usable, to frustrating, to utterly maddening. At this point, it's essentially impossible to uninstall anything without at least the strong possibility of breaking something, often irreparably.
 
@JerryCoffin my .net is borked, and this is a fresh install. :(
 
I made things easier on myself by downloading the installation files and storing them on a network drive for easy installation on any client machines.
 
first thing I did was install VS 2013 with it's .net 4.5.whatever...now I can't target 4.0, and I can't install the 4.0 multi targetting thing because I already have 4.5....
 
7:02 PM
I remember the good old days when Visual C++ 2008 was a separate download and you only needed to fetch 90 MB of packages to get the compiler, headers, and libraries.
 
@NathanOsman I rarely pine of the "good old days". On one hand, Quick C 2.0 (for example) needed only ~6 megabytes for the compiler, headers, library, and help files. OTOH, it was also C only, targeted only MS-DOS, didn't optimize very well, and if you adjust for inflation it probably cost close to as much (or maybe a bit more than) VS Pro does now.
The 6 megabytes (or so) it occupied probably cost more than all 6 terabytes of hard drive space in my current machine.
 
user1804599
(dict 'a 'b, 'c 'd) nice.
 
user1804599
Much better.
 
@JerryCoffin I guess this isn't the place to discuss the merits of Go.
:P
 
@NathanOsman I s'pose you could try, but we'd probably have to tell you where to Go with that... :-)
 
7:10 PM
@JerryCoffin You sure have a lot of pornography.
 
For all its other flaws, you can't argue with the simplicity of the compiler, toolchain, etc.
 
user1804599
Go is great.
 
user1804599
I wrote a compiler in Go today!
 
user1804599
It's only 150 LOC!
 
Go rightfold!
 
7:10 PM
@NathanOsman Sure I can--worrying about simplicity of the toolchain is misplaced.
 
#define stringize(number) #number

int main()
{
    puts(stringize(192.168.0.1));
    return 0;
}
interesting
192.168.0.1 is indeed considered a number by the preprocessor.
 
@райтфолд how covered is that by documentation for Android?
 
@FredOverflow: Another pp-number which cannot be assigned a value in translation phase 7 (as the standard says) is 192.168.0.1. That is, however, a single preprocessor token (which makes a difference if you need to use the ## operator with it.) — rici 16 hours ago
 
92 on my OOP c++ test you guise
hugs every1
 
7:16 PM
@DonLarynx ..out of 1024?
 
@DonLarynx 92 levels of inheritance?
 
92 bottles of beer-->lager-->Coors-->Lite on the wall...
 
@райтфолд the hell is that :p
 
user1804599
It's an S-expression.
 
user784668
@райтфолд sucks expression
 
7:21 PM
Sexpression
 
Original jokes hour
 
@ScarletAmaranth wrong. i meant data structures.
 
user1804599
this is beautiful in particular: gist.github.com/rightfold/…
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow I'll F* you with my Coq!
 
user1804599
Just make sure Maria Agdalena doesn't see it.
 
user1804599
Which is quite easy, given she's dead.
 
@wilx Argh, I've had too much of this!
 
@StackedCrooked "For most programming, I strongly recommend bringing in the entire std namespace"
yikes
 
7:43 PM
@райтфолд F* is a programming language, right?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
user1804599
Like Br*infuck.
 
Is that a derivative of Brainfuck?
 
That fuck*r.
 
user1804599
C++ is enough of a brainfuck already.
 
7:46 PM
I don't think Brainfuck deserves its name. It's just a simple machine with a funny syntax.
C++ is way more brainfuck than Brainfuck is.
4
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow Malbolge is better. It runs on a ternary machine which encrypts instructions after they've been executed.
 
@wilx I don't understand why people like this song. The chorus has no catch whatsoever.
 
Even the bass is lacking.
 
user1804599
Shall I make my VM a ternary machine instead of a binary one?
 
user1804599
How about a decimal machine?
 
7:52 PM
The video for Katy Perry's "Hot N Cold" is fun.
 
user1804599
@BjornTipling I think you mean Java. — user142019 Jun 21 '13 at 1:00
 
user1804599
lol that's my comment
 
@StackedCrooked And it was supposed to be all about that!
@райтфолд You mean three operands?
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow no
 
You mean based on 0, 1 and 2?
 
user1804599
7:54 PM
Based on trits instead of bits.
 
Make it based on tits. It's gonna skyrocket.
 
Net neutrality passed!
 
user1804599
When a computer boots, is all RAM initialised to zeroes?
 
@StackedCrooked not as fun as The 100
@райтфолд What computer?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The 100?
 
user1804599
7:56 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit a regular desktop computer.
 
@StackedCrooked io9.com/…
@райтфолд Too vague. VTC.
 
user1804599
There's one problem.
 
Object1 Class2::foo(int n, int d){
if(conditional)
return;
}
is that legal?
 
user1804599
Oh nevermind.
 
it doesn't return an Object1 object
 
user1804599
7:58 PM
Cool. Go has dynamic select.
 
@райтфолд Like a Packard Bell?
 
@райтфолд Yes
 
@DonLarynx return; is only legal for void functions.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Pietje Bel
 
right, wrong, maybe song; so is using exit; clean?
 
7:59 PM
If you don't want to return an Object1 from a method, why do you declare it as returning an Object1?
 
user1804599
So, for now I'll just make lambdas capture everything in scope.
 
@FredOverflow cause: the parameters may be invalid
 
@райтфолд That won't scale.
@DonLarynx Then throw an exception.
 
@FredOverflow that sounds violent, but ok i'll do that.
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Formally?
 
user3010322
8:01 PM
Or is that another "the vote is happening soon but we're pretty confident" kind of things?
 
@ThePhD Properly
It's a huge victory.
 
If I have a hierarchy of classes like: Base->Derived->MoreDerived->EvenMoreDerived etc, is there a way to create a method that will always call the corresponding method in the immediate parent without explicitly writing something different for each class?

ie, EvenMoreDerived::Method() calls MoreDerived::Method() calls Derived::Method() calls Base::Method()
 
user3010322
> Internet providers cannot strike deals with content firms, known as paid prioritisation, for smoother delivery of traffic to consumers
 
user3010322
HAaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
user3010322
Suck it.
 
user3010322
8:06 PM
> The FCC won't apply some sections of the new rules, including price controls
 
ISPs are just going to raise rates in response
 
user3010322
Uh oh.
 
user3010322
@Pris Yeah....
 
user3010322
Time for dat 100 dollar internet.
 
In the US the only rule is corporations and lawyers always win
 
8:10 PM
> The time unit in FBX (FbxTime) is 1/46186158000 of one second.
Notably, this is not found on FbxTime's documentation, but rather on FbxAnimCurve's.
 
@райтфолд That would have been a great tagline for the FP room, if it still existed!
 
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	for _, global := range *globals {
	    const preludePrefix = "mill/prelude/"
	    if strings.HasPrefix(global.Name, preludePrefix) {
	        name := global.Name[len(preludePrefix):]
	        symbols.symbols[name] = Symbol{AliasSymbolType, name}
	    }
	}
 
user1804599
Anything obvious wrong with this? :(
 
user1804599
It has an infinite loop and I'm going absolutely crazy.
 
user1804599
Ohhh I found it.
 
user1804599
8:13 PM
The symbol is an alias to itself. :P
 
@райтфолд 16GB of UB.
 
user1804599
Also I'm gonna add p to the prelude. It prints debug information about an object.
 
user1804599
Nothing is as terrible as having to include a library to do printf debugging.
 
user3010322
@EtiennedeMartel Ugh... FBX. ;~;
 
@ThePhD fond memories?
 
user1804599
8:17 PM
What's the opposite of "universal?"
 
@райтфолд local?
 
@райтфолд specialized
 
mathematics uses local and global
 
user1804599
I mean more like "nothing."
 
Xeo
mu
 
8:19 PM
 
user1804599
@Xeo That's funny.
 
user1804599
Perl 5 calls its absolute base class UNIVERSAL and Perl 6 calls it Mu.
 
user1804599
I think I'll go with everything and nothing instead of top and bottom.
 
user1804599
(deffn write-forever (x everything) nothing
  (while true
    (io/writeln x)))
 
user1804599
Beautiful.
 
8:26 PM
The complement of universal is not specialized. Specialized is a subset of universal.
Nothing is by definition the complement.
You cant use global and local. Thats a contra.
Cmonman.avi
 
user1804599
Nice sunset on Mars.
 
user3010322
@melak47 The fact that I had to find a bug in their software and spent a good 63 hours chasing it because it only appeared in their RELEASE library because they invoked shitty UB in their library and I thought I was doing something bad so I had to spend DAYS doing some kind of freaky black magic goat-sacrifice release-build debugging...
 
@DonLarynx He didn't say complement, he said opposite
 
@ThePhD :S
 
user3010322
8:28 PM
@melak47 It was fixed in their beta build, so I had to opt into that and give all my information just to keep developing against it.
 
user3010322
After that, I basically 100% had it with 3D stuff.
 
user3010322
At least, with 3D modeling stuff anyhow.
 
user3010322
Raytracer's still coo'.
 
user3010322
2D games and 3D-approximating 2D 4lyfe.
 
blasphemy
 
user3010322
8:31 PM
THIS REMINDS ME THAT I NEED TO MAKE OPENEXR STOP BEING DUMB.
 
user3010322
Apparently they made their CMake shit better.
 
user3010322
About to find out.
 
user1804599
BLAS4me
 
user3010322
I actually might have to use BLAS soon.
 
user3010322
And all that shit.
 
user3010322
8:32 PM
I'm going to be selecting 3 Unsupervised Learning algorithms to try and get good at with C++.
 
user3010322
1 is NonNegative Matrix Factorization
 
user1804599
use Eigen
 
user3010322
1 is going to be k-means
 
user3010322
And the last one is... well, I still have to pick.
 
user3010322
It's between Wide autoencoders, Sparse autoencoders, and Restricted Boltzmann Machines
 
8:34 PM
@ThePhD I don't think it's a good idea to teach computers to C++...
 
user3010322
I don't have a clue what any of those do, and I only just started reading about Restricted Boltzmann Machines
 
user3010322
@melak47 Nonsense, it's a great idea!
 
user3010322
I'm also doing another great idea, which is vendoring openexr :D:D:D:D
 
user3010322
This can ONLY end well.
 
user3010322
I wish I could using namspace at the class scope in C++. :/
 
user1804599
8:38 PM
⁄⁄⁄⁄⁄⁄⁄⁄⁄⁄//////////⁄⁄⁄⁄⁄⁄⁄⁄⁄⁄
 
user3010322
Help, my brain.
 
user3010322
All of these more complex unsurpervised learning algorithms use neural networks to do what they keep referring to as DEEP learning.
 
Xeo
Hm, Humble Weekly Bundle...
 
user3010322
@Xeo Anything good in it?
 
Xeo
8:42 PM
I only already own Freesia, which was pretty fun for a few hours.
 
aw, crap. Couple days ago I found out the homeworld 1&2 remastered thing was coming out, and since all the mod tools I could find were written in VB6 and don't even run on anything newer than XP, I wrote some crap myself...and they changed the .big file format. it's complete gibberish, maybe encrypted? :((
 
user3010322
@melak47 Unencrypt it. Save the world.
 
The hell is std::int_fast32_t ?
 
@Borgleader fastest int with at least 32 bits
or something
 
@Pris No. You can isolate the unique code to one place in each class with a typedef xxx base; (or equivalent using) and then each Method looks like: void Method() { base::Method(); }, but you have to specify the base class at least one place. I suppose if you wanted to badly enough, you could do s CRTP-like trick: template <class Base> class der : public Base { void Method() {Base::Method();}};, but then your names would be something like Base, Der<Base>, Der<Der<Base>> etc.
 
8:49 PM
@melak47 do you have any information I can't guess from the name? how is it different from int32_t? why does it exist? how is it that it is "faster"?
 
@Borgleader like, if a 64 bit int would be faster because it's the native word size or whatever, fast32_t will be that
I think cppreference explains the types :)
 
user3010322
@JerryCoffin s/Der/Da/g
 
@melak47 so ... youre saying the fast32 bit int might not actually be 32 bits?
 
user3010322
Da<Da<Da<Da<Da<Base>>>> // Unce unce unce unce
 
user784668
@Borgleader Yes.
 
8:51 PM
@Borgleader it will be at least 32 bits
 
@ThePhD Or, more suitably for you: "dunce dunce dunce dunce". :-)
 
> Pattern matching is an extremely powerful feature in this language that provides the programmer with an amazing amount of power
 
user3010322
Hey. ;~;
 
@melak47 I can already see people being burned by doing ptr offsets by 4 bytes and this shit not being 4 bytes wide... that's just fucking genius
>.>
 
user784668
@FredOverflow Nope, about 10 W.
 
8:53 PM
@FredOverflow I've heard that Scala is even more complicated than C++
 
> Shut down the nuclear plants, my home runs on pattern matching!
5
 
@ThePhD I promise, I'm not really that mean--just too weak to resist such obvious openings.
 
I mean... it's even more powerful
 
@Borgleader if you want exactly 32 bits, ask for it
 
@Jefffrey Who told you that? Scala has no references like C++ and no const. That alone makes it only 10% as complicated.
 
8:54 PM
@Borgleader also, offsetting pointers by bytes? what are you doing :p
 
@FredOverflow People on the internet
 
10% as useful?
 
@melak47 just saying, the type name says 32 bits, and it may or may not be 32 bits... that's not great.
 
user784668
lol liverpoop
 
@Fanael [checking...]
 
8:56 PM
@melak47 well maybe im copying a texture to/from the gpu, i might be offsetting points like that.
 
@Jefffrey Puh, depends on what you mean by that... you can define arbitrary operators in Scala :)
 
@Borgleader and you're using the fast integer types because you're a gamedev? :D
 
@FredOverflow That's not a good thing
:P
Because then bartek creates <$$>
 
@Borgleader The type name should have been int_atleast32_t
 
@Fanael Besiktas 1-0 Liverpool, lol.
 
8:57 PM
@Pris int_least32_t exists
 
Spurs rubbish as well.
 
user784668
@MartinJames English football stronk
 
user1804599
Broccoli is delicious.
 
user1804599
Broc. coli > E. coli
 
You are delicious
 
8:59 PM
'Besiktas win 5-4 on penalties' lol
 
user1804599
:o
 
@melak47 I'm not using it, I learned they existed 5 min ago. P.S: fuck you :P
 
user784668
@MartinJames Lovren missed lol
 
@Pris int_at_least_32_t please
 

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