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11:01 AM
@ElimGarak yes but believe me Italy beats it
and I'm not even sure if that way to circumvent the issue could be of any good
 
> "Let the message go out: this country's tolerance for those who will not pay their fair share of taxes has come to an end," Mr Osborne said.

The Chancellor said his deputy, chief secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander, would be announcing new legislation on Thursday outlining new criminal offences and penalties for aiding tax evasion.
This will just bite him in the ass in the end.
 
@TonyTheLion I doubt each employee gets that much, lmao
probably just the CEOs get big kickbacks for doing jack-shit, and everyone else gets jack
 
It literally says "on average" :P
 
> on average per UK Facebook employee
donno how to interpret that other than the way I did
 
Yes, they take the sum of the pay-outs, then divide them by ALL employees, no matter how much they do or don't get.
The reality is there's a very small chunk of people who get bonuses of 90K euros.
If even that.
 
11:11 AM
hint
 
yes, off course executives and managers are the more likely ones to get bonuses. Still doesn't detract from the fact that I wouldn't mind having it too :P
 
bonus pay is usually the sum of the bonus pay of all your subordinates
 
I got bonus pay in the first place I worked in Belgium, it was just a 13th month of pay.
Better than nothing.
 
the 13th paycheck is a common thing
 
Xeo
not in gamedev :<
 
11:15 AM
Have never seen it in the UK.
 
Let's make it uncommon then! Furthermore, y'all fired.
 
it's interesting when the bonus formulas are different but still result in approximately the 13th paycheck at best
 
game devs should be grateful they're not homeless :P
 
you can sleep under the desk. no commuting yay
 
CCP guys for the first 5 years of EVE Online development practically did live under the table.
 
11:19 AM
it's not like they need a home anyway
look at the deadlines
 
crunch times crunching devs
 
I hated that the most
WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE XMAS TO GET PLAYERS AAA
 
HOW ABOUT NEXT XMAS, YOU PIRKC?!
 
now I've no idea how I managed to handle an environment like that for a year
 
@ElimGarak too bold
 
11:21 AM
Also, the Christmas myth might've been true in game industry's infancy, but gamers nowadays are grown ups... They'll buy a game when it comes out, whenever that is, if it is not shit. And a good game is not made by worn out and tired game devs.
 
nah it had to do with xmas related promos
mobile games
 
@ElimGarak So, you have inexplicably limited the scope to the tiny fraction of games that are not shit
 
Just doing my part to improve the signal to noise ratio <3
 
@AlexM. "No"
 
@MarcoA. "might be" - otherwise it wouldn't be share bonuses methinks
 
11:23 AM
@AndyProwl lol
that makes sense you know
the thing with try
 
it does
 
I never thought of it that way
 
@AndyProwl That shit is so much on point, the pressure alone will cause a rupture in spacetime.
 
It's out of balance. The right side is a lot faster
 
11:25 AM
> You didn't try enough
 
try hurrdurr
 
Software Company LLC.
*You won't get it done by friday, so don't even try!*
 
@AndyProwl One of the things a professional learns how to do, it's very very difficult, is to say "No". If your boss comes to you and says "You gotta use Comic Sans in your presentation slides" and you know it will just make the audience's eyes bleed, you must say no.
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hehe
 
starrrrrrit! Made it link to the talk itself instead :)
 
11:29 AM
We're experiencing a star shortage at the moment <3
 
sthurrred it :P
 
Andy will never learn how to say no :/ He aims to please
 
hahah
opportunity lost
I should have quoted myself
7 mins ago, by Andy Prowl
@AlexM. "No"
 
@sehe I'll try
 
@AndyProwl Yes
@AlexM. deep
 
11:30 AM
try deeper
 
that's what she said
 
or he
 
"Andy, if you could get this done by Friday, that would be great..."
"We'll try, sir."
"Great. You've got until Thursday."
 
I think that's how ubisoft handled M&MX
"Ok, we know you all want to make a new M&M game. What do you need for it?" "<insert reqs here>" "Ok we'll give you half."
 
11:32 AM
@AndyProwl he had his mouth full at the time
 
seamless clang integration in VS - sign me up
 
Where wat*
 
> "The human eye can't see past 5 hours"
 
Oh yeah, I died at that part :D
 
@ElimGarak I've recently read a book called Peopleware (excellent book), and the authors commented on a story where a manager was given a deadline say till the end of March and reported to her superiors that the project was perfectly on track and was looking forward to deliver on time. The day after they sent her an email saying "ok, in that case we should try to deliver by January, 15th".
 
11:34 AM
This lecture is boring as FUCK
 
@ScarletAmaranth this?
 
@AndyProwl Fuck people like that.
 
@AndyProwl ano :)
 
@Columbo fucks are usually not boring
 
@AndyProwl Star Trek engineers have taught us to give exaggerated repair estimates so when the captain shortens it by 5x and you still get it done, you look like a genius.
 
11:35 AM
@ElimGarak Note taken
 
@ElimGarak awesome
 
@sehe I had a manager like that at my last internship. I would say no, it's not possible. No, it's not feasible. I would present evidence, show projects, give tech, and they'd just keep asking me to "get it done". He nearly got me in trouble with the next level of management because I "couldn't get it done".
Was the most stressful experience of my life. No is great.
 
how is that stressful? if you KNOW it can't be done, it's not relevant what he says vOv
 
Xeo
@AlexM. Hey, we want to release before Christmas too :D
but it's not stressful here, really
 
@AndyProwl that's just giving incentive to lie
 
11:37 AM
Truth never got anybody anywhere but in trouble :P
 
@ScarletAmaranth it's stressful because you know an idiot has the right of firing you because of that
 
> The random sound corruption in the video is super scary. Jumped in my chair quite a few times.
good warning
 
But "no" is the best.
 
@AndyProwl yeah ok, he's somewhere in US and can write code well - big deal, 2 days for a new job
 
eh, maybe
 
11:39 AM
@ElimGarak Experienced developers know how to protect themselves from dumb managers
 
but you'll have to gain your trust/position with new people again
 
The techniques such as "if it's on time, add pressure" works only if you expect perfect obedience and honesty from your programmers, which is only the case the first time
 
@Mr.kbok yeah
 
@ElimGarak Have you read Redshirts by John Scalzi?
You will love it.
 
> People under time pressure don't work better - they just work faster
 
11:40 AM
@AndyProwl he was being treated like shit in the old one anyway
 
I don't think they'll work faster either. They'll just cut corners.
 
perf.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page - well that was fast (last reference)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The description sounds great, I think I'll pick it up :D
 
@ScarletAmaranth maybe just when he refused to "try". I mean, I understand the managers are dicks, but sometimes swallowing some dick is just a necessary evil. It's true though, that being in the U.S. the perspective is different
like, I've been in that position here and I didn't feel like risking to be fired
 
yes because you're in Bananistan of Czechia
(I am from Slovakia turst me I have first hand experience)
 
11:43 AM
right
and not even in Prague
 
yeah in Bratislava it's better here too
but I am from Kosice, so other than Saint's Elizabeth Cathedral we don't have much here :P
 
ah, never been in Košice
 
I must admit it's a wonderful city
 
my ex flatmate was from there though
 
but it also sucks from other points of view
 
11:45 AM
actually no he was from Prešov
but close enough
 
yeah it's close enough
25 mins by car
many of my uni school-mates are from presov actually
 
one day I'll come for a visit
I've always been curious about eastern slovakia
 
it's definitely worth visiting (unlike Bratislava), but then it's not "worth" moving to (to live there)
 
bratislava is not that bad
 
@AndyProwl wow Andy. Thanks for that one. It's the gift that keeps on giving. WTF. +61?!? What happened to that post
 
11:47 AM
oh @AndyProwl I remember why I thought you were old: it's because you used winforms in that game jam :P
 
really? I think Bratislava is utter shit
 
@sehe haha, interesting. Probably ended up on that hot question list
@Mr.kbok I am old lol
 
@ElimGarak Definitely do. It's a quick read, and highly enjoyable, especially if you're a Trek fan.
 
they don't really have a "center" of the city - there is "obchodna" but it's not too spiffy
 
It's a sad state of the world
 
11:47 AM
@AndyProwl yeah, but not sbi-old right
 
@ScarletAmaranth I think the city center is nice, plus there's a big river and cities with a big river have a big plus
 
sbi is not that old.
Jerry is older, and Martin is even older.
 
Oct 6 at 8:35, by Andy Prowl
@Mr.kbok I'm more like sehe-old
 
Jerry and Martin are pushing 100 soon
 
he has lots of kinds, so that puts a lower boundary
 
11:48 AM
For some reason, I am now wondering what an alien StackOverflow + Lounge looks like and what they're talking about there.
 
@ScarletAmaranth lol
@ElimGarak perl
 
@AndyProwl yeah I admit the river does add something, but the city I feel is too generic perhaps; I dunno, just don't like it there
 
Like, Spaceport<rightfold's petaQ>
 
@ScarletAmaranth City<Bratislava>
 
@ElimGarak petaq?
 
11:49 AM
it's a klingon insult / profanity
 
okay 8)
 
KLINGONESE
 
@ScarletAmaranth Put together, yes.
 
do you speak klingon fluently? :D
 
Actually, sbi and Martin together are over 100 already.
 
11:50 AM
@AndyProwl ^^ yeah Kosice at least have their own specialization!
 
Wait, Martin is also ancient?
 
they are definitely over 100
 
@ElimGarak Martin is the oldest.
 
martin is like 60 isnt he?
 
@ElimGarak lol ancient
 
11:51 AM
@AndyProwl I just did another Boobst job:
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A: How to copy std::vector<boost::shared_ptr<T>> to std::list<T>

seheSince you mentioned boost, let me show you some Boost Range sugar. link->getgeometries() | adaptors::indirected this will result in a range that contains the Geometry& elements. Fill the list with copy_range: geometries = boost::copy_range<std::list<link::geometry>>( link->getgeometri...

 
Shiet, I always kinda thought he is between 20 and 25.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Close.
 
@ElimGarak base 32, yes
 
@ElimGarak standard louge age range? lol
 
@AndyProwl if for nothing else, seeing this (I was told on numerous independent occasions) is worth it tripadvisor.com/…
 
11:51 AM
@ScarletAmaranth Will keep in mind, thanks!
 
TIL Lounge can join the defense of the ancients.
 
I should host a party for 30 eclipse years.
 
And 15 megaminutes soon.
 
11:55 AM
Let's see if the recipe works :)
1. come in late
2. ignore accepted answer of 5 votes
3. show some boost bling bling
4. ????
5. Profit!!!!
@R.MartinhoFernandes made me google
 
@sehe I linked above (= draconic years)
 
@sehe s/????/post in Lounge/ :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
@AndyProwl That was your fault :)
 
15 megaminutes sounds super awesome, though.
 
(the only time it worked, anyhow)
Really. I've never had an answer take off like that. Not even close
 
11:56 AM
30 eclipse years is when you wait 30 minutes for eclipse to load and it feels like 30 years
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what's a megaminute
 
@AndyProwl Million minutes, duh.
 
A megaminute is when you wait for eclipse to load
 
lol
 
@AndyProwl mega = 1e6, get your SI prefixes, you ain't MURICAN BRAH :D
 
11:57 AM
kim dotcom's minutes
 
One megaminute is a bit under two years.
 
@ElimGarak could have been 2^20 minutes :D
(I'm trying)
 
sehe@desktop:~$ qalc megaminute to year
megaminute = approx. 1.9012853 years
Yup. qalc is pretty handy
 
> Tomorrow is One day. (1 days)
 
11:59 AM
I celebrate all of those :D
 
@AndyProwl Ah, that's the uhm... mebi- prefix :D
 

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