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3:00 PM
@thecoshman no grounds whatsoever. Salmond hasn't even explained why he's so confident about it. he just spits out some catchphrases and leaves it at that
it's a farce
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Tell me what music/TV/games you like, I'll tell you why it sucks. ;-)
 
> Mr Salmond said no chancellor would let Scotland away with its share of the debt liabilities and therefore a currency union would be agreed.
he's bluffing?
 
apart from that
but you can argue that away immediately since threatening to default on all your loans is hardly a good way to start a country
 
what sort of madman follows someone who is just bluffing so painfully clearly?
 
um, Scottish people?
 
3:01 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit but starting with no debts :P
 
@thecoshman then immediately running up more because you have a tiny economy and less oil than you thought, and not being able to borrow from anyone
independent Scotland bankrupt within 10 years
 
If Scotland actually separates, they are fucked.
But nationalism is helluva thing.
 
the Scots are fiercely patriotic
 
should scotland be independent... just take a fucking look at the net flow of money ಠ_ಠ you canny stand up on your own dickbutts
 
they're not dicks about it like the US, but they are fiercely patriotic in general
i cannae change the laws of logic, captain
 
3:03 PM
But that's what you're paid for!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well, they do like to wear historically inaccurate skirts at any chance
 
@thecoshman You can't get a democratic mandate to share the pound with the rest of the UK from only Scottish voters.
 
this is looking like another unproductive day hmmm
 
@Puppy as we already covered.
well, they could use it, but they'd have no control over it at all.
it's akin to just like me deciding to accept GBP here in Ireland
 
what currency did Ireland use between independence and the Euro?
 
3:08 PM
@Puppy before the Euro, it was the 'Irish punt'... or pound as they liked to say.
Not sure if they used pound sterling before independence back in 1920ish
 
@thecoshman Or Zimbabwe taking dollars and rands.
 
huh... turns out 'Ireland' is messy over the years.
There was the UK, then in 1919 the Irish Republic broke off taking all of the island. In 22 you had Northern Ireland back in the UK and The Irish Free State as part of the commonwealth. Then in 39 the 'free state' turned in the Republic of Ireland gaining full independence.
So this country isn't even 100 years old yet.
 
Kids these days.
 
yeah
it was a fairly prototypical, they wanted to leave, the UK government wasn't quite bad enough to send in the tanks anymore, but wasn't really ready to let them go yet.
 
@Puppy that and hitler
 
3:18 PM
nah, Hitler was afterwards
 
and screw you godwin for hitler has a proper place in this topic!
 
Meh - my villa key pickup is a shack with a satellite dish 2km from nearest bus stop, only findable by satnav coordinates:(
 
no, it was whilst UK was busy fighting hitler the sneaky Irish decided to escape
England didn't really have the resources to stop them.
 
the UK didn't fire a single shot against Hitler until he steamrolled France in May 1940.
if I recall correctly.
 
huh, not bad
@Puppy not him personally, but he a bit of a helping hand you see. A small thing call a nation.
 
3:20 PM
@MartinJames haha
 
well, if I recall then many of the colonies were heading for independence around that time anyway.
England couldn't have repressed all of them even if not having to dedicate all their forces to wars in Europe.
 
@thecoshman Puppy doesn't believe in nations
he thinks they are pointless due to being based on geopolitical borders, rather than the other way around
@Puppy Uh Hitler in 1919? No son....
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In UK, I can easily walk 2km, but there, if it's hot, carrying 10kg backpack..
..trying to read phone map in Canaries sunshine..
 
get the kids to carry it
 
I'm fucked already:(
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The phone?
 
3:24 PM
@MartinJames if only there was some sort of carriage, with drivers, that you could just get in, and go places. Maybe in exchange for some money... a small 'tax' you might say.
 
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A: How to debug C++11 code with unique_ptr in DDD (or gdb)?

user1225999This problem is actually not related to C++11, unique_ptr or pretty printing. The problem is that gcc does not emit code for std::unique_ptr::operator* that could be called by gdb to dereference the unique_ptr. If you for instance add *pTest; to your code then gdb does perform the dereferencing. ...

I never thought of that before
lol
@MartinJames the backpack
 
@thecoshman Fuck taxis, I'm trying to do this on the cheap:)
 
maybe it was WWI that spurred on Irelands escpae.
@MartinJames but at what cost!
 
@thecoshman maybe it was the Iraq War that spurred on Scotland's escape!
 
@thecoshman Possibly my life. I may reconsider the taxi:)
 
3:26 PM
hah actually it kind of was
 
Guise look at the bottom of this website
seems legit
the best part is the verisign non-clickable button
wait what
 
@thecoshman So you got me curious about the etymology of "taxi".
> Shortened from taximeter cab, taximeter (“automatic meter that records distance and fare”) from French taximètre, from German Taxameter (whence also English taxameter), coined from Medieval Latin taxa (“tax, charge”).
Quite the ride.
 
Well, well.
 
3:41 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes 10km trip, wait, 10km back. I would certainly be taken for a ride, yes. I wanna use the service bus, but I will see how hot the weather is first.
 
did you feed muttkins
I just threw some food for daisy
 
@CatPlusPlus is that GW2?
 
did you also play GW1?
 
Vim features you don't notice until you find them missing #17: end-of-line is a special column position.
 
3:50 PM
I only tried it when it had a free weekend thing going on
 
Ah, for me it was the other way around. Only tried GW2 on a weekend.
 
Aaaand my internet is back again
Lets see if this time it survives for longer than 15 minutes.
 
why doesn't ebay have an SSL certificate?
33
Q: Why do some websites enforce lack of SSL?

d33tahWhen trying to visit https://www.ebay.com, I noticed that I get redirected to HTTP immediately. Here's what cURL says about that: $ curl --max-redirs 0 -v -L https://www.ebay.com * Rebuilt URL to: https://www.ebay.com/ * Adding handle: conn: 0x6c8cc0 * Adding handle: send: 0 * Adding handle: rec...

welps
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/features you didn't notice/bugs you've gotten so accustomed to that your mind has warped to the point of thinking they're features/
 
3:56 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry--I guess in this case it's "circuits" instead of "mind". My apologies.
 
If I jump to the end of a line and then move up or down, the cursor will be at the end of that new line, even if that new line is longer.
If I manually move to the last column in a line and move up or down, it will be at that same column.
 
how do you call a person that doesn't trust anyone and fears everything?
 
sane
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, thanks
 
4:00 PM
@Jefffrey Security expert
 
lol
Am I being paranoid in saying that I should not buy from websites that does not have SSL and/or SSL certificates?
 
No
Also TLS
 
But ebay and amazon do not have any of those :c
 
Amazon does.
 
HTTPS Everywhere rules note Amazon as broken
 
4:03 PM
ACK why does travis ci have to be so far in the past
 
Travis sucks
 
I noticed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Only once you login? The https://www.amazon.com/ redirects to http://www.amazon.com/ :/
 
> curl -i https://www.amazon.com
HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
Server: Server
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:03:50 GMT
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Length: 230
Connection: keep-alive
Set-Cookie: skin=noskin; path=/; domain=.amazon.com
Location: http://www.amazon.com/
 
but haven't found alternative yet
 
4:04 PM
Thanks chat
 
mostly for lack of looking
 
Buildbot, TeamCity, Jenkins
Anything
 
@Jefffrey Only when you start the checkout process.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes and what is more, I seem to be have been right in sort of saying it came from 'tax' :P
 
All the shopping bits are in plain HTTP.
 
4:05 PM
To make it faster?
 
That's an usual excuse.
 
Facebook already disproven that thoroughly
 
@Mgetz lack of looking does tend to stifle finding
 
I like how paypal makes you feel totally safe by providing https and signed certificate from the very start
 
4:06 PM
> OpenSSL, as imported into FreeBSD, is 340.722 lines of code, nine times larger than the Varnish source code, 27 times larger than each of Zlib or JEmalloc.
OH NO
NOT LINES OF CODE
 
> First, I have yet to see a SSL library where the source code is not a nightmare.
> the varnish source-code tree contains 82.595 lines of .c and .h files
Lol, you use C and you expect there exists a library where the source code is not a nightmare.
 
To be fair, OpenSSL is a masive nightmare.
 
@Jefffrey eBay probably does the same, btw.
 
Let's hope so
 
All the shopping is plain traffic, but the login and payment bits are HTTPS.
 
4:08 PM
@CatPlusPlus but less lines means faster code
 
@Jefffrey Given that Paypal basically only exists to handle the checkout part of a transaction...
 
@Jefffrey should be standard pracice
 
@CatPlusPlus Wait, you don't think that the only way to make good software is to cap it at 2000 lines of code? ;-)
 
Only if all of those lines are fart()
 
4:12 PM
@Jefffrey I also think that Amazon has two "levels" of logged in: there's a basic one where you can access your existing shopping cart and lists and whatnot and add or remove things, but then whenever you go to checkout you need to type in your credentials again.
 
That's p standard
 
Everytime I hear about suckless, I want to scream at those idiots
BTW, good story about local search provider
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But if you enter the credentials the first time in a non https way, then your credentials are not secure anymore... no?
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't remember that on eBay, but then they use PayPal, so you effectively have to do it anyway.
@Jefffrey All login forms are HTTPS.
 
Amazon does all login via encrypted OpenID
 
4:14 PM
@Puppy :) Yes, he is fully fatted.
 
I wish being sarcastic about any security measures didn't feel so justifiable :S
 
We are one of the couple countries, where there is entrenched search provider/portal, that resisted google for a long time.
 
lol
 
You can still have your session hijacked or something, but then the only thing an attacker gets is access to your carts and history, not your money.
 
hmm shall I go see "Lucy"
 
4:15 PM
Well recently their email service had huge snafu
 
@Puppy How is D?
 
Who doesn't IP-lock their sessions
 
bouncing after frozen peas
 
If you were trying to register new email address, the password check (length, strength) was done server side. (Stupidity number 1) And it was sent to the server in plaintext over HTTP. (Stupidity number 2, 3 and couple more, because damn)
 
@Puppy LOL! I use frozen peas as throw-treats too - much cheaper than dog-chocs and more fun!
 
4:17 PM
@Puppy my cat has a thing for peas too
 
for some reason Daisy and her predecessor both love frozen peas.
 
@CatPlusPlus people who think you change your IP too often for that to be praticle
 
So yeah, even people who should know better do stupid shit.
 
Everyone is terrible at security
 
wait rsa is broken?
 
4:20 PM
@CatPlusPlus You don't think sending passwords over HTTP is good idea?
 
nsa has a backdoor in the rsa generator?
 
No
There's no "the RSA generator"
 
@CatPlusPlus I think he has something of a point: it is pretty difficult to fully understand a single chunk of code that large, and given that it's written in C, it's also difficult to modularize it to the point that each piece can be understood in isolation either.
It's also somewhat telling that the LibreSSL/BoringSSL people have removed something like 30% of the code in a matter of months, without losing functionality much of anybody seems to have actually cared about.
 
LibreSSL also pulled a Debian afair
 
I'm experiencing something weird with VS2012.
 
user3010322
"pulled a Debian" ?
 
SCARLETT JOHANSSON HERE WE COME
 
They fucked up something in the RNG
 
she's no Lt TJ Johanssen but what can you do
 
I have a non-empty weak_ptr in an object. Then I'm copying that object, and after the copy, both values (the original one and the copy) have empty weak_ptrs.
 
4:30 PM
That can happen.
 
RSA BSAFE is a FIPS 140-2 validated cryptography library offered by RSA Security. From 2004 to 2013 the default random number generator in the library contained a backdoor from the American National Security Agency, as part of NSA's secret Bullrun program. == SSL-C == The SSL-C library is an SSL toolkit in the BSAFE suite. It was originally written by Eric A. Young and Tim J. Hudson, as a fork of the open library SSLeay, that they developed prior to joining RSA. Like SSLeay, SSL-C supported SSLv2, SSLv3, TLSv1; while it also supports X.509v1 and X.509v3. SSL-C was first released in 1999. ��2�...
 
@PolymorphicPotato The evidence concurs.
 
(What the weak_ptr points to has a non-zero ref count)
 
It either doesn't have a non-zero ref count after the copy, or there is UB involved.
 
I'm betting on UB.
So that's what I'm trying to debug.
 
user3010322
4:32 PM
So.
 
user3010322
Strangely enough, the await/async in WinRT is semi-hijacked.
 
@Jefffrey First I've heard of that
 
Something with reseeding yeah probably that
 
"I dont know how to access it because when I type '->' VS2010 doesnt offer any members or methods." Sigh. IDEs. They encourage you to rely on "intellisense" instead of developing some sense of your own. :( — Lightness Races in Orbit just now
 
Xeo
4:34 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit #MySenseOverIntelliSense
 
@EtiennedeMartel Your copy ctor sucks maybe post a testcase maybe
 
holy shit it's cold
22.5 C inside
during winter I set the temp to 24 C
 
Cold?
 
@Xeo :D
That's going in my profile, if you don't mind
 
user3010322
4:37 PM
It will enforce that the async/await calls will continue on the same context, so if you block the thread you made the call from, expecting the thing to return eventually, it will return... but, since the returner is waiting on the same context, it will block until the context signals that it is free.
 
user3010322
... But the context is blocking, waiting for the async to return.
 
user3010322
Instantaneously deadlock, all because myAsyncCall(blah).Result.
 
You used "async/await" and "block" in the same sentence?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes [sigh]
 
user3010322
4:39 PM
Yes, because I'm on the master thread, it's time to block, and I need to ensure this operation has finished.
 
I don't understand
 
user3010322
Either way I can cheat hardcore by doing myTask.ConfigureAwait(false)
 
If you want to wait for a Task then just Wait()?
 
user3010322
Result is get { Wait(); return _result; }
 
user3010322
E.g., just doing Wait() has the same deadlock effect.
 
4:41 PM
lol: I've issued an async task and I need to wait for it to complete'
 
Yep, still pretty sure it's a PICNIC.
 
"BS in Computer Science from top-tier institution.", what is a "top-tier institution" supposed to be? Sounds pretentious.
 
BS means bullshit
hth
 
user3010322
@MartinJames WinRT doesn't give you a choiuce between synchronous and asynchronous.
 
4:42 PM
@corvid Sounds like a pyramid scheme.
 
user3010322
All calls that could potentially take any amount of non-trivial time are made async.
 
user3010322
There is no alternative.
 
..then you cannot, and should not, wait:)
 
user3010322
Mmm.
 
Fire an event at the end instead of waiting
Or something
 
4:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it is to me
might be worth noting that unless I'm not alone I don't wear pants (i.e. trousers) inside, only a tshirt
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Literally winter and we're all out of test cases. [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
and 24 C is the best temperature for me to do that
 
Jul 21 at 19:28, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I'm naked, btw.
 
user3010322
80 degrees is your normal?
 
if 24 C = 80 F yeah
I feel the effects immediately, right now I have a runny nose lol
even plants are better at handling temp variation than I am
 
4:57 PM
Django's reverse() is acting fucking weird
 
What would you call the union of the set of predecessors and the set of successors?
 
fucking hate my life
 
> Also, note that reverse() should generally only be called on a QuerySet which has a defined ordering (e.g., when querying against a model which defines a default ordering, or when using order_by()). If no such ordering is defined for a given QuerySet, calling reverse() on it has no real effect (the ordering was undefined prior to calling reverse(), and will remain undefined afterward).
maybe?
 
URL reverse() not QS
 
ah, nvm then
 
5:00 PM
Gonna call it cessors.
Oh, neighbors.
 
Also fucking zsh
Included script, ls $HOME/.ssh/id_* lists files, for fn in $HOME/.ssh/id_* does nothing
why
whyyy
 
Xeo
To anger you
 
Americans!!!!
anyway, walking past the Co-Op's wine section just now was disheartening
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's esr.
 
5:13 PM
cos I can't drink :(
@R.MartinhoFernandes the worst American of all
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Doctor's orders?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah; metronidazole
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That hardly seems likely (at least as long as rms is alive and hasn't renounced his US citizenship).
 
Anyway, what does he mean by "dodgy"?
Progress M-34 was a Russian unmanned cargo spacecraft which was launched in 1997 to resupply the Mir space station, and which subsequently collided with Mir during a docking attempt, resulting in significant damage to the space station. == Spacecraft == The fifty-second of sixty four Progress spacecraft to visit Mir, it used the Progress-M 11F615A55 configuration, and had the serial number 234. It carried supplies including food, water and oxygen for the EO-23 crew aboard Mir, as well as equipment for conducting scientific research, and fuel for adjusting the station's orbit and performin...
 
5:16 PM
For that matter, even a short tour for Washington DC would turn up literally hundreds (if not thousands) of worse Americans.
 
No dodging involved.
@JerryCoffin s/of/if/?
 
Ell
can I heat cold meat?
I feel like it's not healthy
 
@Ell Yes, it is possible.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oops--yup.
 
It's harder to heat hot meat.
 
Ell
5:18 PM
maybe one is not supposed to reheat it
 
Okay uh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :(
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, its payload kinda went into the wrong orbit
 
If I have declare -a KEYS=() as the immediate preceding thing, the for loop over files doesn't work
I
what
 
I'm listening to Christmas songs. Somehow. Sort of.
 
it feels a bit like Christmas today somehow
blue sky but a chill
 
5:21 PM
Okay uh I guess =() part is bad
Good error
 
user3010322
I wonder if C# has implicit conversions...
 
user3010322
It's 100% necessary.
 
user3010322
It's for API Abstraction.
 
5:25 PM
Sure.
 
user3010322
E.g. someone creates my HttpMethods class, and then they pass it to one of the existing WinRT/.NET methods expecting the framework-specific class, it should automatically convert to the underlying representation the person is compiling with.
 
Working on the 15th standard?
 
user3010322
No, just abstracting away what I need to.
 
user3010322
Otherwise, I'd have to elevate the #if 's to my application code's level
 
user3010322
And that's not fun.
 
5:27 PM
You do know that this means your thing will need to reference both WinRT and normal .NET
I.e. will be unusable outside WinRT p much
And probably in WinRT too
 
user3010322
Or, I have two projects, one for WinRT and one for normal .NET, and you can snag whichever you want while referencing the same files.
 
you know, sometimes the best way to abstract is to just make people choose
 
user3010322
Maybe I could just subclass, to avoid the implicit conversion and let the compiler do it.
 
user3010322
NOPE NEVERMIND IT'S SEALED
 
@ThePhD Which somehow refer to types from both without an #if.
 
user3010322
5:28 PM
How nice. ._.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes The usage is of my class, and my class has #if's in them
 
user3010322
But the usage is uniform and is identical to both.
 
It's not identical if it uses different types :v
 
user3010322
Hence the implicit conversion.
 
Have fun
 
user3010322
5:31 PM
I think for this use case it's hardly harmful and in fact very helpful.
 
Xeo
 
Xeo
> A dozen NRC personnel took the bait and clicked the link.
really.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not if you say "a British accent".
 
user3010322
@Xeo "What.. what if Freddy Frat... Freddy... Fredd FUCK FREDDY."
 
5:34 PM
funny tubyoubes
most requested
happy wheels
 
user3010322
Deploy an EMP.
 
ElasticSearch vs Solr go
 
user3010322
Solr?
 
user3010322
Oh, they're commercial search engine implementations.
 
user3010322
I guess it's better than whatever google provides for its websites.
 
user3010322
5:42 PM
I mean, that weird web-search you see on old sites.
 
They're both open-source
 
user3010322
That just feels like crap.
 
Google Custom Search is just a view over whatever Googlebot indexes
 
@ThePhD They just yield results as good as the way the information is structured.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well obvious if you say something different, or add to what is said it can change the meaning. Good job!
 
5:45 PM
@thecoshman No.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬
 
Etienne's claim is only valid in certain contexts. I merely provide a counter-example.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes by saying something different.
 
Another counter-example could have been his own usage of "British accent" in the previous message.
 
he did also add on that he is specifically using it in the singular context
 
5:48 PM
@thecoshman Yes, and so is my counter-example.
And so is his own counter-example.
22 hours ago, by Etienne de Martel
@Xarn There is no "British accent", because there are actually multiple ones.
See, no implication that there is one, yet still singular.
 
I never said he was right :S
 
@thecoshman If someone says "British accent" in a vacuum, it doesn't really mean much.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's also quite the accomplishment
but it still implies only one british accent :P
 
No, it does not.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, but there wasn't a "a" inside the quotes.
 
5:54 PM
@thecoshman s/only/one/ at the very least.
But not even that.
"Odd multiple of two" does not imply there is only one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It does. If I said 'read apple', it implies only one apple, that is red. It does not mean there are not others, which I think is what you are getting hooked on.
shit
¬_¬ yeah I should read things more carefully...
 
In any case, saying there is only one British accent is wrong. That's what I meant.
 
some one clear this up
 
@thecoshman Yes, the fact that someone ever said "red apple" does not mean there are no other red apples.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'd question there even being one.
 
Ell
5:56 PM
@thecoshman No it doesn't, that'd be silly and hilarious
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It means that they have just released their last breath and they are about to die.
 

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