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12:06 AM
I am starving
._.
 
eat then hth
 
thanks
I always appreciate advice from professional adviceologists.
 
np
I got similar advice earlier and I am now just about to tuck into my cheeseburger with kebab and chips
tata
 
nvm
 
12:25 AM
Why does [this] make a copy
that's pretty lame.
 
user3010322
~Value semantics~
 
user3010322
(Even though it's a pointer and should just copy the pointer).
 
It... doesn't?
Why do you think it does that would make absolutely no sense
 
@ThePhD Yeah you're right. I misread the standard quote.
 
user3010322
Weee.
 
12:39 AM
TIL: LMAJSFY - lmajsfy.com
 
user457812
You don't ask Jon Skeet
 
user457812
You merely ask, and he answers
 
oh my
> You searched for are you serious?. We found 49 results in 0.077 seconds.
too bad it seems to use SO search
 
Anyone here smart enough for c#?
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If so...
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Q: First group header not displaying properly in Listivew

DemCodeLinesI am working on a Windows Phone 8.1 app in XAML and C# and when the data loads, the listview doesn't show the group header for the first group of items. Here is my code: Player.xaml <Page x:Class="TestApp.Player" xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml/presentation" xml...

 
12:52 AM
Here we go again with the "are you smart enough to help me" thingy...
 
@GeoffDalgas: "please give us an example in the sandbox of a question or answer sneaking in malicious code" Erm, that's not how security works. — Lightness Races in Orbit 5 secs ago
@DemCodeLines -1 for spamming
 
lol
Regardless of whether or not you vote it down, how is it spamming if I ask in here?
 
user457812
looks at the room title
 
user457812
C#..
 
user457812
stares really long and hard at the room title, taking care to use a certain phrase
 
user457812
12:57 AM
So you wanted help with Java?
 
Room description: Anyway my gf wouldn't like me interacting with other femine beings I suppose so stalking is relatively on the safe side
sigh
10/10 description. Will read again.
 
user457812
How is it that a C# source file with that few lines can have more usings than a typical Java source file has imports?
 
shit I meant to undo that downvote before 5 mins. it's been 7. sorry
 
user457812
balances it
 
1:01 AM
It’s Geoff. Geoff Chakotay. — Paul D. Waite Jan 21 at 12:34
 
Chakotay :D
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No problem :)
Now only if someone answered...
 
C syntax -- endless material for pundits and trivia lovers, but ultimately not all that important. — Kerrek SB 2 hours ago
 
yay, 1k on sf.se
spot on 1,000 actually
 
user457812
Parents are watching some sort of Beverly Hills home sales reality show
 
user457812
1:10 AM
Complete with dramatic music and occasionally latin chanting
 
you live with your parents
 
user457812
Yep.
 
you're 25.
and you have a degree.
 
user457812
I got my degree last year.
 
all that time painting and sculpting could be better spent getting a job to buy a home!
 
user457812
1:15 AM
That's nice.
 
speaking of which, I am doing bathroom renovation this fortnight - not where I live but the rental property
I will take a before & after picture and be proud of myself :p
All knowledge are useful :p
 
user457812
Hit it with a flamethrower.
 
tiles don't burn
 
user457812
Everything burns if you use enough fire.
 
1:20 AM
enough heat you mean?
 
user457812
Fire. ಠ_ಠ
 
user457812
If there's no fire involved, it's not worth doing.
 
much easier to destroy something than to build something usually
 
user457812
You'd be surprised how hard it is to destroy some things.
 
there are small fires involves though ... when the grinder cutting though the existing old wall
@nil like?
 
user457812
1:23 AM
Maybe if you just wear a flaming clown mask, that'll be good enough to get the gods on your side.
 
@chmod711telkitty The One Ring.
 
@JerryCoffin it was easy to destroy the ring, didn't they just toast it in the fire? Like I said, it's usually the shitty people ... and the orcs that made the journey miserable
 
@chmod711telkitty It was easy, once you got to the right place--but putting it in an ordinary fire did it no harm at all (Gandalf did that to verify its identity). Likewise, when a dwarf hammered on it, it wasn't even scratched (even though the dwarf in question later killed people with a single blow of his hammer). As far as the journey: it went well beyond orcs and people--even if they hadn't been present, the terrain alone would have posed substantial challenges.
 
1:42 AM
If there were no orcs, Sauron, Saruman & the gollum, it would be an scenic multi-day hiking trip to Mordor.
 
user457812
Nevermind that getting as close to a volcano as they did would've actually killed them.
 
If there were unicorns, it could be even better - ride the ass to mortor, dump the ring in the fire, then ride the ass back to where you from - in one day!
 
user457812
Well, they had giant flying birds
 
user457812
Just never used 'em for some reason
 
I would blame it on Gandalf - he should have used some magic to enslave the giant bird
 
2:19 AM
hastebin.com/ubesixewim.coffee what are the 2 options in each paren, please?
 
@chmod711telkitty If there were no Gollum the ring wouldn't get destroyed, because its influence is too strong at the mountain and you actually can't destroy it yourself :nerd:
 
3:01 AM
maybe we could combine the ring & the one ring to make a super horror fantasy, in which the ring was passed around, who ever found the ring would be stalked, haunted & killed by Samara. The only way to survive was to pay the demon of the underworld to forge 7 identical rings and pass them around in exchange of one's soul. Oh, BTW Samara was actually Saruman after sex-reassignment & plastic surgery
 
3:14 AM
As told in "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen", Aragorn in his twentieth year met Arwen for the first time in Rivendell, where he lived under Elrond's protection. Arwen, then over 2700 years old, had recently returned to her father's home after living for a while with her grandmother Lady Galadriel in Lórien. Aragorn fell in love with Arwen at first sight. Some thirty years later, the two were reunited in Lórien.
Oo, only 2700 years old ... kinky ~_~ I thought Madonna was bad ...
 
user1646075
3:42 AM
@nil this is why they didn't use the eagles: oglaf.com/ornithology
 
user1646075
PS for people who don't know OGLAF - that's a NSFW comic in general
 
user457812
Surprised that comic didn't have a dick somewhere in it
 
user457812
Also, I could see a bird doing that.
 
user1646075
heh - if you want the nerd answer: reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/130it2/…
 
user1646075
@ScottW hah - my first thought when I saw the freaking words, but then I read them... piss-take here we come.
 
user1646075
3:52 AM
@nil if you look closely at the eagle on the left....
 
user1646075
i almost wish that was true!
 
user1646075
actually, now that I look closely at the 2nd frame of the last row, you can see the eagle's pucker-star. That authenticates it as an OGLAF comic
 
user457812
True enough.
 
What's the name of the control in this picture?
Like a slider?
 
user1646075
a pain-in-da-ass tablet-based wank panel
 
user457812
3:57 AM
Pager, usually.
 
user457812
Was actually popularized on the iPhone.
 
user1646075
i rest my case
 
Looks like WindowsPhone doesn't have it :(
 
user457812
Windows Phone is mostly devoid of anything that isn't text.
 
user457812
Text and horizontal scrolling.
 
user457812
3:59 AM
And grids.
 
user457812
Uh oh, Safari just decided a portion of the web page is black
 
user1646075
funny - it's infesting all the MS sites in the wake of the god-awful Windoze 8
 
I really don't want to have to build it myself
aaahhh
 
user457812
Give it another year and Microsoft will declare metro dead just like it's declared all its other tech choices dead
 
user457812
.NET is, so far, the only thing it hasn't viciously murdered
 
user457812
4:01 AM
Depending on when you start saying it's been murdered
 
user1646075
Can't wait for Windows 9 - it'll save microsoft from Chapter 11
 
user1646075
because it logically follows that a REALLY shit version of windows is always followed by one that works and works well (enough)
 
user457812
Dunno, 8.1 didn't do much
 
user457812
Does that mean that 8.1 was the peak and 9 is going to be like one of those emergency inflatable airplane slides into a septic tank?
 
user1646075
nup - i totally gave up after 8.1 was still garbage that refused to acknowledge that I had a mouse and keyboard, and now I'm sitting on an OpenSuSE install with a Win7 hosted in virtual box.
 
user1646075
4:03 AM
8.1 is still an 8
 
user1646075
a desperate attempt to back-pedal while still going forwards into oblivion
 
user457812
I just use Mac OS as my compromise between software I want and having bash.
 
user457812
On the one hand I don't have to worry about drivers, on the other hand Apple has recently decided it's not so fond of the Unix underpinnings it once liked to tout.
 
user1646075
windows around 98 almost tempted me to drink the Apple-flavoured coolaid, and win8 is doing the same.
 
user1646075
geez - what's their next plan?
 
user1646075
4:05 AM
bring back old-skool NeXT in all it's glory?
 
user457812
I expect that, eventually, Apple will make it so onerous to work with the shell and other tools that I'll just go back to Linux after all these years away.
 
user457812
Only downside is I still hate all the fancy distros and I'm too impatient now for Slackware.
 
@aclarke You seem like those ABMers at ZDNet.
 
user457812
arguable-bowel movements?
 
user1646075
it's getting better. now if only KDE wasn't desperately trying to dumb-down in competition with all the other crap aimed at facebook airheads
 
user457812
4:07 AM
Hyphen's important.
 
Anything But Microsoft
 
user1646075
you might think so, but I've happily hopped from one to the other on an as-needs basis ever since i've used pc's
 
user1646075
I'm definitely ABA though
 
user3010322
Mmm.
 
user3010322
So many projects.
 
user3010322
4:08 AM
So little time.
 
user1646075
I know the feeling. So many assholes, so few bullets...
 
user457812
I still need to find a way to convince my entire office to switch from mercurial to git.
 
user457812
Preferably one that doesn't make me look like the git zealot that I am.
 
I wonder why people really insist on Win 8 being all shitty and stuff when most of them don't really use the OS.
 
user1646075
hah - mercurial must be bad/complicated then. Git needs a degree course just to understand the beast. Subversion is seductive in it's ease of use.
 
user457812
4:10 AM
I use it and don't actually have that many complaints about it aside from the start menu being generally unpleasant to use.
 
user457812
SVN's fine since I can just use it through git.
 
user457812
As for Mercurial, it's basically subversion with more ways to hurt yourself and without any of the handy tools git has.
 
user457812
And it's slow. Because it's Python.
 
user1646075
i don't care about the 'most' people who surf the face tubes and other 'gosh, let's use a billion-transistor device to look at porn' afficionadoes. I want an interface that powerful enough to use FAST
 
user457812
Oddly enough, you should like git in that case.
 
user457812
4:12 AM
I'm also really, unusually good at crashing Mercurial, but I think that's just because I'm trying to use it like git and it doesn't really appreciate me editing patch files.
 
user457812
'Cause git will let me edit patch files and it'll just fix them up.
 
user1646075
me? i'm getting used to git now, but not happy I had to study the damn thing in great detail
 
user457812
Mercurial will crash if I do the same thing. That is, it offers to let me edit the patch file, but it won't actually do it.
 
@aclarke How much work are you willing to put into writing fast code? There are a few highly parallel architectures around, but writing code for most of them is an absolute pain.
 
user457812
I want a PS3 SDK.
 
4:14 AM
@MarkGarcia I use Windows 7 whenever I can (i.e., any time I'm not stuck on the laptop) because Windows 8 is a horrendously mis-designed piece of shit.
 
user1646075
fast code is on a per-needs basis. It hasn't been necessary for many years now to obsess slavishly about speed speed and speed until you can see an actual bottleneck that gigabytes of memory and zillions of cpu cycles can't overcome.
 
user1646075
@JerryCoffin WORD!
 
user457812
Eh, speed's still important when it comes to IO.
 
user1646075
that fits into a per-needs bottle!
 
user457812
I should make some popcorn
 
4:16 AM
@nil True, but when you're trying to push the CPU hard, reading and write main memory counts as I/O.
 
user457812
Actual popcorn. Not the internet variety.
 
user457812
@JerryCoffin I'm counting that as IO, yeah.
 
@nil Did you bring enough for the whole class Lounge?
 
user457812
Hence the need for people to occasionally focus on being cache-friendly
 
user457812
Which means you need to stop using java.
 
4:17 AM
at least windows don't force you to update your OS like macs do, f*ck apple
 
user457812
Hypothetical you.
 
user457812
Apple's never forced anyone to update the OS (on Macs, anyway — they push pretty hard on iOS, to the benefit of everyone else).
 
@nil Must be (since I don't use Java to start with).
 
@JerryCoffin MS had a good concept (vision, whatever they call it) for Win 8. But its their execution that make it horrible for most people. Universally available apps are nice, but they haven't took into consideration the desktop. Live tiles are useful, though there's still so much to improve.
 
user1646075
they're working on it. My XP desktop at home wot the kids use to watch fireman sam on the u-tubes is now unsupported and there's some screaming nags in it
 
user457812
4:18 AM
.. You should update that.
 
user1646075
it's too old to merit the work
 
user457812
Then buy a new junker.
 
user1646075
and ... it's a 32 bit chip for which i have no Win7
 
user1646075
it's on the cards
 
@MarkGarcia I disagree. They had a couple of semi-decent (possibly even good, though it's hard to be sure) ideas, but not a coherent vision for the product as a whole.
 
user457812
4:19 AM
Hell, you can get a $300 Microsoft Surface RT.
 
user457812
What a fabulous deal.
 
user1646075
@JerryCoffin WORD! (again)
 
user1646075
but the kids have destroyed a few tablets already. They can sit on a 32bit xp and bloody like it!
 
user1646075
they're v. young though, not old enough to know what they're missing
 
user1646075
how do you type 300 tokens a minute using a touchscreen?
 
4:21 AM
@nil I get update requests on my macbook so very often, the choices to the updates are either 'yes' or 'later'
 
user457812
@chmod711telkitty Right click on the update, click 'hide'
 
user457812
Ta-da
 
user1646075
can't you tell apples to "f*ck off, i'll choose to look for updates when i feel like it" as you can with windoze and linux?
 
user457812
Aside from that, Apple has an update, like, what, every 3 months? It's usually security updates? Just update your fucking OS for the safety of everyone else.
 
@nil I do it all the times, but after a while I could not even get on the internet and had to update
 
user457812
4:22 AM
God, you'd think updates were somehow interrupting your life every 5 seconds when it's this thing that happens like three to four times a year.
 
As for universally available apps being good, I'm somewhat torn. I can see some merit, but the reality is that I don't think it's much of a benefit. Tablets and phones work sort of well for consuming existing content, but mostly suck for trying to produce new content. New content is mostly produced on desktops. A single app that's useful on both seems to be the exception.
 
@JerryCoffin That's actually my point (well, words are tricky). Incoherency mostly revolves around the WinRT/desktop collision. They failed to provide a seamless experience across those two (which by their own are good).
 
user1646075
@nil this really does happen with Win PC's in an office environment where the admins are such nazi's they tick all the strict boxes in group policy.
 
user457812
Then tolerate it or kick the admins in the nuts.
 
user1646075
or change jobs - been there done that!
 
user457812
4:24 AM
I don't work in an office with an IT department nor anyone telling me what I can do with my office machine, so it's literally the most terrifying thing ever to some people.
 
user1646075
??
 
user1646075
having to look after themselves?
 
user457812
I have a third party package manager installed. I run servers on it. I install software without getting any approval whatsoever. ಠ_ಠ
 
well, apple can try, but I have other choices when it comes to dedicate my effort: android, windows, share market or property market. If it does not benefit me, I won't be tempted to do it
 
@MarkGarcia That brings up another seriously sore point: the WinRT API is just a complete mess. It looks to me like it was intentionally designed to look like it could work, but then leave out exactly the pieces you need to get something to actually function. Seriously, what they left in and took out just makes no sense at all, and seriously hampers development, for no benefit to anybody.
 
user457812
4:25 AM
Security updates benefit you.
 
user457812
If you think they don't benefit you, I hope you end up on the receiving end of something malicious.
 
user457812
Preferably something that was patched in the update you ignored.
 
well, thinking about it, windows probably sneak them in instead of telling you when it comes to security updates
 
user1646075
sure, but not if the PC is currently logged into a few servers performing a 3 day hot-transfer of a multi-terabyte database. Fortunately I remembered to slavishly use 'screen' at that contract and I could generally ignore the forced reboots.
 
user457812
Well, if you're doing that on Windows, you've got to take the necessary precautions.
 
user457812
4:27 AM
If you're doing it on OS X or any Linux distro I can think of, it's a non-issue.
 
user457812
Windows is the only thing I can think of that will just straight up auto-install-updates reboot when you're not looking.
 
user1646075
the tragedy of windows updates is how many of the damn things there are. And I have a strong suspicion that someone just reformats some spaces around a comma and then tick the 'security update' flag on the push just to excuse their pointless fiddling... I mean, seriously, how many updates REALLY need to be issued?
 
user457812
A lot.
 
user457812
There is a lot of code in Windows, not all of it is perfect, and it will always need updating until we manage to write perfect code.
 
user1646075
sounds like you're in a MS bug-fix team!
 
user457812
4:29 AM
I'm in the pessimistic programmer camp.
 
user1646075
heh
 
user1646075
my code is perfect, of course
 
@JerryCoffin Yes. WinRT feels half-assed to me. Much of the mess is caused, I think, by their desire to exploit performance (the C++ side) and incorporate .NET-level productivity. So they decided to use COM (which are supposed to be abstracted away), of which is optimal neither for C++ and .NET. Rich functionality is another issue.
 
Will the coming-together of Windows RT 9 and Windows Phone 9 help? That's the question.
What about universal apps? Will the attempt to combine WinRT, WinPhone and Windows in terms of Developer API's finally finish?
 
@MarkGarcia Why are they constantly willing to settle for .NET level productivity? Why not write a good C++ UI library for once, so we could have better productivity for a change?
 
4:36 AM
@DemCodeLines If you mean API convergence, then the WinRT issue will become worse.
 
@JerryCoffin Because that probably means rewriting significant parts of the OS, which would take too long...
 
@DemCodeLines That's the basic idea of most of what caused the most damage in Lose 8. Unless they do a significantly better job of it this time, it's not going to be an improvement at all (if anything, the opposite seems more likely).
 
@MarkGarcia Why do you think so? I thought they are combining WinRT and WinPhone.
 
@JerryCoffin That's what I've always been thinking (and ranting on the MSVC team surveys) all these time. For now, the only hopes (from Microsoft) seems to be standardization and the Office team, which uses C++ for their stuff (even UI).
 
@MarkGarcia That's probably the result of divide between divisions in Microsoft, which seems to be getting better now.
 
4:40 AM
@DemCodeLines I don't think it would require rewriting much of the OS at all. For one example, a significant part could be improved a lot by simply re-implementing GDI+ using DirectWrite as its back end instead of going through GDI. GDI+ is a decent interface, but the current implementation is too slow for most production code.
 
@DemCodeLines See my messages above. Based on what I've read so far, WinPhone is most likely to be the new WinRT. That is, once total WinRT API convergence is complete.
 
@DemCodeLines It could hardly have gotten worse.
 
user3010322
Literally,
 
user3010322
the corporate strategy for Microsoft
 
user3010322
was spin up two ro three groups to work on the exact same thing
 
4:41 AM
@DemCodeLines They're somewhat getting better, but not their .NET fanboism. Ask @ThePhD.
 
user3010322
and then whoever produced the best one in teh given timelimit was kept
 
user3010322
every other group was axed.
 
user3010322
@MarkGarcia Actually, there's a big C++ push, but C# and friends are still huge in the non-central groups at MS.
 
@JerryCoffin You're probably right. I am guessing they probably don't think it's worth it trying to improve the UI performance. That or maybe they have already tried to do what you're saying and somehow it broke something else (which would then require an extensive rewrite and too much time).
 
user3010322
@MarkGarcia Even in the central groups, a large chunk of stuff is still written in C#.
 
4:42 AM
@ThePhD ...where (in many cases) the basis for "best" had little or nothing to do with how much it would benefit customers, or anything similar.
 
I wish we could rename functions.
with a typedef
 
@ThePhD The idea was to get divisions to compete against each other and make the best product, which make profit for the company, but it didn't work out at times...
 
user3010322
@JerryCoffin They've actually already done that (ish).
 
user3010322
The whole Windows.UI. thing is implemented entirely in native C++ for the Windows 8/8.1
 
@ThePhD Okay, so why don't they release it so we can use it already? (Because certainly nothing that's publicly available even comes close to what I said).
 
4:44 AM
Native C++, but naive C++.
 
@MarkGarcia There are so many people that have made their careers on .NET. If .NET was suddenly dropped by MSFT, then even though most companies won't drop the support for the framework right away, a large number of people will suddenly become unemployed.
 
@ThePhD Have you already lost track of what "good" means?
 
user3010322
Oh, haha. You did say good...
 
user3010322
Yeah. Nobody has a good concept of how to write a solid UI frameowrk when it comes to C++, it seems.
 
user3010322
Everything just gets... well. All fucked up, really.
 
4:46 AM
@DemCodeLines That is silly. I don't mean to drop .NET. .NET is good. But lack of good C++ support isn't.
 
Qt would be perfect if it wasn't so raw pointer-y.
 
user3010322
And if everything wasn't PImpl'd the fuck out of.
 
implementation detail that isn't relevant
 
user3010322
Oh god, flashbacks to the codebase I worked with that was using Qt. ;~;
 
user3010322
All the pointers. RAW POINTS.
 
user3010322
4:47 AM
EVERYWHERE
 
@Rapptz Too desktop-y. I like the CSS-ey style of Qt Quick, but it's really not C++.
 
user3010322
NO UNIQUE_PTR'S IN SIGHT
 
@MarkGarcia Qt was originally a mobile framework. It still is.
 
@ThePhD Preprocess everything!
 
user3010322
Ugh.
 
4:48 AM
I think it was originally a mobile framework anyway.
 
user3010322
That preprocessor.
 
It was one of the ways to make Symbian apps.
 
user3010322
It was understandable
 
@ThePhD I disagree. It starts out all fucked up. Every stinking time, they start out with something like "Window" as a base class, and build virtually the whole damned thing around inheritance. In reality, a window is pretty much a heterogeneous container with some signal/slot type functionality. Neither one requires (or really even benefits from) the kind of inheritance-based design everybody uses.
 
user3010322
But it still made all my code look REALLY funky.
 
user3010322
4:49 AM
@JerryCoffin WPF didn't take that approach, but they still have massive base-classes for everything.
 
user3010322
DependencyProperty, DependencyObject, etc. etc...
 
user3010322
FrameworkElement
 
user3010322
I mean, really.
 
Like I said, Qt does it pretty okay for being what it is.
 
@JerryCoffin The first time I tried to learn Win32 GUI stuff, I was confused as to why there are "Window"s everywhere. CreateWindow for buttons, labels, wat...
 
4:50 AM
Microsoft should dedicate a team of super-amazing designers, programmers and thinkers to rebuild Windows from the bottom up without all the issues it currently has. Some basic problems like not being able to update the OS without restarting, while other major problems like having so many holes that you need to keep applying a patch every week which fixes another patch that was applied to fix another patch which was applied to fix another one.
 
@ThePhD It sort of disguises it, but it's still largely based on the same basic notions of how to do things. Build a taxonomy, then write code for every node in that tree.
 
@ThePhD I like how their point class is derived from a base class.
 
user3010322
@MarkGarcia My biggest pet peeve ever. ._.
 
I liked WinForms.
They were fun.
And cute.
 
@DemCodeLines They've definitely done work in that direction--and they've succeeded pretty well at it too--restarts are much less common than they used to be, they use lots more tools to inspect the Windows code base than they used to, etc.
 
4:52 AM
And simple.
You guys can think WinForms was terrible all you want but I liked it
The VS2010 editor was pretty nice to me.
 
If only HTML/CSS could be sanely used for native development. Or a cleaner version of it.
 
user3010322
WinForms was actually nice, because the editor wasn't a pile of crap.
 
I had no complaints.
It was bliss.
 
user3010322
My first real application that I shipped and got thousands of downloads on was a WinForms application.
 
Me too.
 
user3010322
4:53 AM
WPF's editor... much, much less friendly.
 
WinForms was great.
 
@MarkGarcia Wait, you mean using HTML/CSS to develop stuff in Windows? Like non-RT apps?
 
I mean, there were some stupid things.
Like MARSHALLING.
 
@Rapptz There was a time when I said similar things about VS 6. and in all honesty, in some ways it was true too...
 
@DemCodeLines Not browser-esque HTML/CSS. Except for the layout, HTML/CSS pretty much does what you want with little effort.
 
4:55 AM
Incidentally
This was the first SO question I stumbled across: stackoverflow.com/questions/946813/…
so terrible
 
System::Runtime::InteropServices::Marshal::StringToCoTaskMemUni() WTF
 
Yup.
Marshalling.
 
And here I am sometimes thinking that std needs more namespace structuring.
 
It sticks out like a sour thumb for me in WinForms land.
 
@MarkGarcia So get Microsoft to make yet another push towards using Web language to create offline apps (WinRT already has that capability)?
 
4:58 AM
@Rapptz And you stayed anyway. You must be just as masochistic as I.
 
@DemCodeLines I will not trust Microsoft for it. Unless they magically instantly present something like it that suits my needs.
 
FWIW, WPF tends to look a lot nicer by default than WinForms
It has this nice elegant aura to it.
iunno how to explain it.
 
Well, I think I need to go get some sleep. TTYAL.
 
bb
 
Good night.
 
5:00 AM
I'm back to wrapping SDL.
 
wat
 
?
 
SDL? Really?
 
Yup.
 
At least it's less crazy than this. I was bored.
 
5:03 AM
Maybe it'll be sane if wrapped up.
Who knows.
StackSnippet thing gets blocked by XSS for me
 
Another yearling badge. It's been 2 years for me.
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Q: How can a blind programmer program GUI

Huy-NI have some problems with my eyes then I might be totally blind in the next few years. So I am now trying to program as a blind person. But I use Qt C++ to program GUI, and I have to design the interface by dragging and dropping the items. But you know a blind person can't do that. I know that t...

sad
 
user3010322
5:26 AM
@Rapptz It'll still be bad. :3c
 
6:00 AM
Does operator< for vector work the same like string?
 
6:22 AM
> Another "new C++" evangelist.
 
Xeo
6:50 AM
mornin
 
Good morning.
 

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