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1:00 PM
like, if you have 10000 different languages installed.
 
lol
 
that could do it...
 
It's a robot. He has to have all the languages installed.
 
@Puppy why would I install anything beyond English :/
 
that's the only thing that immediately comes to mind.
 
1:00 PM
do you really need tibetan installed?
 
Good point though
 
Or he'll break.
 
@sehe I don't either, but there's gotta be something taking up that extra 40GB for robot.
 
Just use sequoia or some visualizer
It's not hard really
 
Just read up.
It's not hard really
 
1:01 PM
:effort:
Use a 2d visualizer
 
Ell
is park young-bae cat?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae :effort:
 
cicada
 
There's like half a ton on the internets
Or maybe your allocation settings on that hard drive suck (page size ?) I don't know, uh
 
Ell
1:02 PM
I use space sniffer
to visualise 2d space usage
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes just click on the little arrow next to the "Windows" folder in your TreeSize Free
 
:effort:
 
We got good reviews of our product @HowAreYouApp during pitch sessions at Polish Silicon Bridge Boot Camp. Feeling proud! #BootCamp
oh well
I should start marketing my soon-to-be employer, eh.
 
You really shouldn't.
 
Not really, no
 
1:03 PM
Oh my.
 
@R.M Seriously just windirstat.info
 
I have registry file for this.
 
Unless you're being hired as a PR drone or something
 
No you shut up.
 
1:04 PM
Read above.
 
Read below.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Ping him.
 
@CatPlusPlus not really, no
 
1:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Disable? I had to explicitly enable it
 
No the whole internet disagrees
 
It's disabled by default because of their fancy new hybrid boot scheme
 
Robot says no
He must be right
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, that uses hiberfil as well.
 
It hibernates OS only afair
But the setting is not called 'hibernation' but 'fast boot' or 'fast shutdown' or somethin
 
1:05 PM
It hibernates 13GB on my machine.
 
Stop storing porn in kernel space
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz love ’em
 
@BartekBanachewicz ~~hurt~~
 
@ParkYoung-Bae OK, I gotta admit, everything else that you said was incredibly boring and dumb, but this was fairly amusing.
 
Fast startup
 
1:07 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae That wouldn't help more, because the culprits are about a zillion 2.5MB files.
 
Disable that and hibernation and should be fine
 
Yes, there are about 40GB in 2.5MB increments.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae So a 2d visualiser would give no extra information.
 
@Puppy :yawn:
 
1:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes what files?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How about a 3d visualizer?!
 
Might be ... a virus!
 
@rubenvb @jalf would guess it :)
 
Anywho, note that it would have been faster to reinstall Windows (on an SSD) by now.
 
I'm eating strawberries and cream. How jelly are you?
 
1:08 PM
Just sayin'
 
Yes, destroying all settings to clean up space is really time-saving
Good job
 
"all settings"
 
> fffbc
 
1:09 PM
> "Among the details police have released is that Harris and his wife, Leanna, told them they conducted Internet searches on how hot a car needed to be to kill a child. Stoddard testified Thursday that Ross Harris had visited a Reddit page called "child-free" and read four articles. He also did an Internet search on how to survive in prison, Stoddard said
 
C:\Windows\Temp
 
Of course this made me visit that reddit page ^^
 
Delete all that crap.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Actually, WinDirStat is quite capable of grouping them together like that.
 
@sehe What?
 
1:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have virt nothing in Windows/Temp
 
> a 2d visualiser would give no extra information.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae Old news, but interesting schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/web_activity_us.html
 
@Puppy Yes, and it would give me the same information that was already above.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought you said you ran disk cleanup?
 
@Mgetz Which doesn't clean up MSI logs.
 
1:11 PM
@sehe What the fuck!!
 
Nuke em
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it does if you check the box for it to
 
@Mgetz Not if it says 0.0.
 
odd
 
got to chippie with one minute to spare :D
 
1:12 PM
either way it's in a temp folder... the rules are simple
EXTERMINATE
 
@Mgetz Ok, I lied. It said 89KB.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes EXTERMINATE
 
I just ran Disk Cleanup as admin with everything checked and C:\Windows\Temp is still just less than 1GB
So Disk Cleanup sucks at cleaning up disks. Go figure.
 
user3010322
You guy just figured that out? :v
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes While you're at it, also check %APPDATA%\..\Local\temp
 
user3010322
1:15 PM
Try CCleaner instead.
 
I should have peered into those MSI files and checked what installer or uninstaller spammed that crap.
@rubenvb Protip: %localappdata%
 
I use a ramdisk for %TEMP%
 
user1804599
format c:
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well damn. Cool :-p
 
Anyway, MSI logging freaking disabled.
I remember Alf had the same issue before.
 
1:18 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae extreme story. I spent a long night reading horror stories about these cases. Recommended reading 1 article: Fatal Distraction
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you post that bug already?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes keep in mind that Windows uses a bunch of hardlinks internally, and almost all tools fail to take that into account and count the files size as many times as they're linked (But yep, it's still pretty ridiculously bloated)
 
@sehe I don't like sad stories, life is already sad enough as it is sometimes :(
 
user3010322
Also, lmao.
 
user3010322
I forgot you filed that bug on connect.
 
user3010322
1:18 PM
I should find Karl Niu.
 
user3010322
Send him a ":3c" face.
 
@jalf Nah. It matches there. There were 43GB of MSI logs.
 
@ParkYoung-Bae It builds character! Honestly, I read them as humbling exercise. I'm a control freak. I need to realize how much our brains deceive us
 
@ThePhD Two, actually.
 
user3010322
@sehe You sound like a parent. :c
 
1:20 PM
@sehe I've been on 4chan enough. Everytime I see a fucked up picture / video, I can't help but think "what's the twisted story behind it?". People are fucked up.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would say route them to me so I can slap them directly in the bug database,
 
user3010322
but it's 4th of July today and there's no work. :v
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, of course...
fuck MSI
where does it store those?
 
C:\Windows\Temp, it seems.
 
ITT Robot needs help cleaning a disk
 
user3010322
1:21 PM
Polish his drive.
 
user3010322
Hint hint wink wink.~
 
user3010322
Also, STL's gonna be on vacation.
 
user3010322
So I have to file the bugs all by myself LIKE A BIG BOY.
 
user3010322
The world is going to be a scary place.
 
1:22 PM
hey all, I have an app architecture question, not necessarily a C++ question
I am designing an app that scrapes web sites, and saves the data to a database
 
Yes what is it Arnoob?
 
e.g. the app scans a webpage of journal articles and saves the article author's name, journal, title, date published, abstract, content, etc. to the database
 
Okay and then
 
user1804599
Ugh. Fucking YouTube.
 
user1804599
Why does it show the full title in the search results.
 
1:24 PM
There's also an MSI you can run to disable MSI logging: go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9723031.
 
user1804599
Oh, wait.
 
the thing is I need to do some complicated entity disambiguation, so for example J. Smith and John Smith should resolve to the same author, if the auhor is from the same university and has the same contact info, etc.
 
user1804599
Some moron uploaded the video with “The Scala Experiment: Better Language Support for...” as the actual title.
 
I am not sure which part of my code should do this entity disambiguation
should the scraper talk to the data store directly? Make sure two authors are the same?
or should there be a middle layer that the scraper to talks to, which is responsible for talking to the data store
 
user3010322
This should be a shim layer before things are dumped into the database.
 
1:26 PM
Scrapper -> push to some queue -> consume by some worker which does entity disambiguation -> datastore
 
and disambiguating entitites before insert
 
@ThePhD I've had this fetish with fallibility and control all my life. I'm probably one of the few people who statistics to the question whether to commute by train or by car
@ParkYoung-Bae You've just been reading the wrong sites. But I didn't need to tell you
 
@sehe And yet you did
 
user1804599
@ParkYoung-Bae queues <3
 
You asked for it. I'm happy to comfort
 
user3010322
1:27 PM
@sehe I don't need those statistics: my train/bus rides are free, therefore it's vastly greater than buying a car. <3
 
:D
 
user1804599
If you use queues then the consumer and producer don’t have to know anything about each other.
 
@sehe Don't stress yourself. You'll die anyway :) SPOILER
 
Oh sure
 
how about "cleaning up the data"? For example if the author field has the value: "John Smith<br>john_smith@example.edu<br>Example Educational Institution<br>"
 
user3010322
1:29 PM
Guys
 
> Miles and Carol Harrison deserve another child, Balfour explains measuredly. They would be wonderful parents.
 
should the scraper turn this into key/value pairs of author name, email and institution
or should the worker do that?
 
user1804599
Another worker.
 
So parents who cook their child in a car can make new children but gays can't adopt? Wow.
 
@ThePhD
 
1:30 PM
@Arnob As laiteupoldeusama said, just have workers consuming and producing stuff in queues
 
user3010322
Does anyone know of a Laptop HDD that is suitable for beating up on the rocks of development?
 
@ParkYoung-Bae That's painful. However, the fact that they lost a child in a car-related incident really has nothing to do with
 
Ah... so I think you guys are suggesting:
Scraper scrapes web page -> Worker does cleanup -> Worker does entity disambiguation and Worker saves stuff do data store
 
user3010322
It's been less than a year and my intensive development has worn one of them down to complete disk failure. The other will start going soon.
 
@sehe I'm impressed you took me seriously
 
user1804599
1:31 PM
raw data => clean up => disambiguate => storage
 
user1804599
Where => is a queue.
 
=>
^ a queue
 
@ThePhD "Intensive development"?
 
Ah...
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I'm not impressed. You had a serious point. And you don't fool me
 
user1804599
1:31 PM
Possibly bounded to prevent out-of-memory conditions when the consumer is slower than the producer.
 
@sehe Partly :)
 
> a cue
 
cool... that makes so much more sense. My scraper was a ball of code ;-(
 
@ParkYoung-Bae xD
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. That and Visual Studio Scratch files by the bucketloads.
 
user1804599
1:32 PM
Put different jobs in different workers.
 
user1804599
SRP.
 
Thank you for all your help!
 
user3010322
And Photoshop Scratch Files.
 
user3010322
And every other program's scratch files
 
@Arnob ur welcum do come again and good luck for your project!
 
user3010322
1:32 PM
all dumped on D:/
 
user3010322
That shit ate the crap for the longest time, haha.
 
@ThePhD Yeah dump it on the D
 
She wants it
 
user3010322
Maybe that's why if failed so fast.
 
user3010322
I also stored large video files and lots of music there too.
 
user3010322
1:33 PM
It was basically my threshing floor. Poor D drive...
 
user3010322
Now I need to replace it though.
 
Protip: /tmp on tmpfs
 
user3010322
I don't have enough RAM for that, I'm afraid.
 
@ThePhD that's what UB leads to
@ThePhD RAM is cheaper than a new disk every year
 
@ThePhD tmpfs != ramdisk
 
1:34 PM
Also: WAAAAY faster
@ParkYoung-Bae For serious use, there's little difference though
 
user3010322
@ParkYoung-Bae So what is tmpfs then?
 
@ThePhD Modern ramfs
 
Should be a gif, but fuck it.
I aligned the progress flowy things so it looks like they flow from one window to the other..
I'm bored.
 
user3010322
Lol
 
user3010322
OH
 
1:36 PM
 
user3010322
THIS SATURDAY I GET TO MEET A FRIEND.
 
That sounds sad.
 
user3010322
I have to get all shaved and cleaned up for that.
 
lol windows phone
 
@sehe hi there qweqwe
 
user3010322
1:37 PM
OH that's right I forgot to ping Mysticial
 
blimey, you really follow any link on the internet. I'm surprised you're not more twisted
(tongue in cheek)
 
@AaronKyleKilleen I dunno why it insists on installing that, to be honest.
 
user3010322
@Mysticial So, if I'm buying a Laptop HDD that I'm going to fit in myself, any suggestions? Or, do you recommend I get a reliable external harddrive/SSD that I can just connect to my laptop and use instead?
 
Just, buy the cheapest thing. Your "intensive development" will wreck it anyways
 
> "intensive development"
 
user3010322
1:39 PM
u.u
 
And surprise! It says I have to restart.
 
user3010322
It's 5 AM, I don't need words!
 
user3010322
Also, I should seriously think about getting an SSD for my laptop. Because I move around so much, I can bet part of my disk failure was due to slight damage to the HDD head (even though I have an aggressive disk-lock on movement detection).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's funnier it insists on installing that even on Win7, where it doesn't work
 
user3010322
Big Laptop SSDs must cost an arm and a leg...
 
1:41 PM
Oh.
 
Prices are falling really fast
 
The ICE is gone with Update 2.
 
when I was getting my laptop built last year I saw pciexpress ssd's or something
 
The other bug is still there, though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't worry, they surely added few more
 
user3010322
1:43 PM
FUUUCK 180 US$ for a 2.5 inch 480 GB SSD???
 
> Give me the time and the resources and I can prove Jesus Christ was Bugs Bunny
That's a bad-ass quote
 
@ThePhD Doesn't sound crazy expensive.
 
@ThePhD That's cheap
 
user3010322
It's expensive when you consider it's only 480 GB!
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sounds cheap, rather.
 
1:43 PM
Also, what on earth do you require 480GB for
 
Xeo
@ThePhD er
 
@ThePhD Look back 2 years ago please
 
SSDs are not cost-efficient for storage
 
I've worked with 30GB and still plenty happy with 60GiB
 
Xeo
250GB SSD => 110eur
 
1:44 PM
And laptop stuff is typically more expensive
 
@ThePhD You don't need 480GB of SSD space.
 
user3010322
I got a 3 TB platter for less than 100 US$ less than a month ago.
 
So yeah don't expect this to be cheap
 
SSD is for faster compilation times.
 
Xeo
Considering that, 130eur is pretty damn cheap for 480GB
@ThePhD SSD != HDD
 
1:44 PM
@ThePhD That's not an SSD.
 
@ThePhD So. Use it
@Abyx No. That's what tmpfs is for :)
 
user3010322
It's not an SSD, but that's a huge difference in price per storage bytes.
 
@ThePhD And I have a 10$ 5 TB pile of diskettes, so what?
 
Xeo
1 min ago, by Cat Plus Plus
SSDs are not cost-efficient for storage
 
@ParkYoung-Bae I doubt you could get one that cheap.
 
1:45 PM
Better to buy more RAM :v
Never enough RAM
 
@ThePhD yawn. Tell us when you're done acting surprised at reality
11 mins ago, by sehe
@ThePhD RAM is cheaper than a new disk every year
 
@ThePhD So what? You don't need mass SSD storage space.
you're comparing them on an irrelevant metric.
 
@Puppy pssst. you already said that
 
yeah, but he didn't seem to get it
 
say it again
 
1:46 PM
please
 
Might be better to buy smaller SSD but use it as a transparent cache
 
@sehe uhm, but it means you clone repository to tmpfs after each reboot?
 
user3010322
My RAM is maxed out, I think.
 
What's a reboot
 
@CatPlusPlus What you do in VS installs.
 
1:47 PM
Sucker
 
@Abyx You compile into your repo? But, yeah, I often do this. Directly from online repo, even, or from slow disk if need be.
 
user3010322
Well, actually, no.
 
You don't have to reboot
 
@thephd just get a tape drive and never look back
 
Because you don't have to install VS
 
1:47 PM
Unless Windows Installer shits itself
 
user3010322
I can get one more 8 GB stick and replace a 4 GB stick for 16 GB of RAM instead of 12 GB.
 
Which happens sometimes
 
Such as when you install VS
 
user3010322
But I'd need to find that stick in Laptop-variant...
 
ITT people using Windows
I'm looking down on you from my superior operating system with kexec
 
1:48 PM
better than Linux
 
Laptops suck for expansion
 
user1804599
Anonymous types are cool.
 
Well they suck at everything except mobility
 
user3010322
I need mobility.
 
Even mobility
 
user3010322
1:49 PM
It's like core for me.
 
@Puppy Neither is better, both are completely horrible.
 
Oh hey, Win 8.1 supports 128GB RAM
 
a 3.5kg laptop is not ideal to carry around
 
std::pair is a pair - pair has two elements, not three. — milleniumbug 38 secs ago
 
I wondered if you need Pro to go higher than something like 32
 
user3010322
1:49 PM
@TonyTheLion Just look at it as training weights!
 
@CatPlusPlus I read the message just above and got confused
 
@Griwes The fact that they're both horrible does not preclude one from being better than the other.
 
@Puppy Both are completely horrible.
 
user3010322
For when you have to carry a baby.
 
And neither is better.
 
user3010322
1:50 PM
Or something.
 
@Griwes This does still not preclude one from being slightly less horrible than the other.
 
There were two statements in that sentence.
 
Don't listen to the hipster OS developer
 
user3010322
Mmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
user3010322
See, this is a PNY SSD product for 480 GB that costs 180 USD....
 
@Puppy That's not what "completely" means.
 
user3010322
PNY and Kingston, fi I recall, were doing shady things with their SSDs at production-time...
 
> Plenty of jerks would never consider killing their kids.
 
1:51 PM
@ThePhD My crutches are enough training :)
 
Such balanced observation
 
@sehe well you read sources from the repo. and from std lib
 
@ThePhD It's too good to be true
 
user3010322
@TonyTheLion That is true.
 
@ThePhD Yep, they were caught swapping out the controllers for lower-quality ones.
 
1:51 PM
@sehe I like the style
 
user3010322
@Puppy Yeah, maybe that's why it's 180 and not more expensive.
 
@ThePhD You can get a perfectly good SSD from someone like Corsair that's a perfectly good size, like 128GB, for considerably less.
 
user3010322
Yeah, that's more like it. 254 USD for 500 GB reliable one.
 
user3010322
180, plus a 20 dollar mail-in rebate?
 
user3010322
Fishy as fuck.
 
1:53 PM
@Abyx prove that SSD vs. spindle vs. tmpds makes a difference (in my benchmarks, it was never more than 1%. Believe me, I've tried since I was developing on zfs-fuse and compilation used to be the "go-to" benchmark. In reality, all those sources are buffered anyways.)
 
user3010322
@sehe My primary case for an SSD is the fact that it doesn't have a spinning disk head.
 
@ThePhD That's four times too much storage space.
 
user3010322
Which means I can't ruin the disk. :D
 
user3010322
@Puppy That's exactly enough storage to replace a 500 GB HDD that's dying dead.
 
not if you just bought a 3TB HDD
 
1:54 PM
Very good. I wasn't arguing your cause. Just get the commodity size: 120/128GiB is the sweet point these days, and it will be plenty to profit,
 
I wouldn't count of laptop equipment being resilient
 
TheSSD
 
@ThePhD Wrong
 
Spinning things or not
 
user3010322
Well, it's one less thing?
 
user3010322
1:55 PM
I unno. :c
 
@sehe Just make sure you disable MSI logging.
 
user3010322
After rigorous cleanup (no deletion of temporary dirs and such, though)
 
user3010322
I end up using this much space:
 
user3010322
 
What pair?? How do I change it that it can take three elements? — user3805689 41 secs ago
oh god
 
1:56 PM
@milleniumbug Go suggest std::triple or std::tripair
 
user3010322
I had to throw out a bunch of games from C, all of my music into D (which then subsequently died), and also throw out a lot of stuff like fully-compiled boosts and a bunch of other things.
 
then WTF do you still have on C?
 
MSI logs.
Gotta be MSI logs.
 
user1804599
I suggest we rename std::pair to std::twople (pronounced “toopel”).
3
 
@Puppy his pron collection?
 
user3010322
1:59 PM
@Puppy All of the art I've drawn, all of the stories I've written, a collection of books, all of my games (including emulators with their resulting disc images for when my actual disks and catridges died),
 
why not stick that stuff on D.
 
user3010322
all of the things I've developed (well, not allof them. I deleted a bunch).
 
it doesn't need to live on C.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yay, new ICE to fix now.
 
user3010322
@Puppy Because D is dead, from being overused.
 
1:59 PM
oh right, C is the storage and D is the OS drive.
100GB is still a lot of space used
 
@Puppy Doesn't seem like what the screenshot shows.
 

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