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8:00 PM
right
 
no, left
 
but it was complaining about a ParseError
 
That's on the Left
 
which is Left
 
You can't have Eq on a type that's half-Eq
 
8:01 PM
anyway, now that i have an amazing part of the code tested.
 
What a moronic conversation when seen from the outside
 
let's try something more ambitious
 
Maybe also if seen from the inside, but I'll refrain from that.
 
£150/hr for security audits. I take PayPal, and I take my time. — Lightness Races in Orbit 12 secs ago
 
8:02 PM
woah
*Main> parseLua "function f(x) return x+1 end v = f(5)"
Right (Block [Function [["x"]] (Block [Return [BinOp "+" (Var "x") (Number 1.0)]]),Assignment [LVar "v"] [Call (Var "f")
 [Number 5.0]]])
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit now you are just being mean
 
you know
it actually works pretty nicely
 
Needs fancier Show
 
@Jefffrey Since I'm the fourth person to closevote with that reason, I doubt it
 
8:02 PM
Also you're hardly one to talk
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Haha, right back into Lua code :D
 
user1804599
Default Show best Show.
 
@BartekBanachewicz There's nothing in your AST telling you what the function's name is.
 
user1804599
@Xeo that’s difficult if you don’t want superfluous parentheses everywhere. :v
 
8:03 PM
@DeadMG FTR It's not my AST; I just forked the dead project
 
Xeo
yeah, I know
 
fair enough
 
@DeadMG also fuck you're right.
 
but my point is still valid that it's broken
 
8:03 PM
Who needs function names
 
the string "f" has to mentioned twice in the AST.
 
let's look at that
 
I don't remember the difference between f = function ... and function f ...
but there is one semantically IIRC
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz dat pun
 
so don't shortcut them into the same AST either :P
same with local f = function and local function f.
 
8:04 PM
meh
 
@rightfold what pun
 
I don't really need a fully conformant implementation
not now, at least.
 
user1804599
> let
 
I also have no idea why it's Function [[Name]]
 
user1804599
Because function foo.bar(…) … end.
 
8:06 PM
@Xeo I was thinking about ASCII trees
 
@rightfold no, that's different
hmfmp
actually
 
Functions can have multiple lists of arguments?
 
user1804599
Lua = Scala? :v
 
@rightfold I'm not sure if that's valid Lua.
@R.MartinhoFernandes They cannot.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've never heard about it
 
8:07 PM
Lounge<Anything But C++>
 
user1804599
I am. If you change the ellipses for actual code.
 
@rightfold who's your date?
 
even if function foo.bar was legal
then you'd still only need two [Name].
you would not need [[Name]].
 
funcname = do
    n1 <- fmap (intercalate ".") (sepBy identifier dot)
    n2 <- optionMaybe (colon >> identifier)
    return (n1,n2)
 
user1804599
@DeadMG Right.
 
user1804599
8:08 PM
How about function foo.bar:baz? :P
 
see above
 
user1804599
Nah, whatever. That AST sucks.
 
it does.
 
For any of you who enjoy self-harming, here's Visual Studio 2014 CTP, released today. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vcblog/archive/2014/06/03/visual-studio-14-ctp.aspx
 
bloody hell
 
user1804599
8:09 PM
@Jefffrey I think he minds if I announce his personal information here. :V
 
does SVN upload the whole 33MB executable or something?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's spelled ""14"", not "2014" :P
 
fair enough
 
@DeadMG did you just commit binaries?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yep.
 
8:10 PM
SVN?
 
yep.
 
I thought you used hg
 
I do
it's stackedcrooked's system.
he said, "Here's SVN repo, put binaries in there", so that's what I do.
 
That's gonna get big indeed.
 
FTR, I also (manually) download the binary from TC then upload it from my computer instead of automatically uploading from TC on successful build.
but we just came up with this stuff yesterday, so
 
8:11 PM
@Griwes Oh what the hell is wrong with them ffs
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sounds like they had fun...
 
Binaries are not diffed
 
@DeadMG What the hell?
 
Did you expect to commit 33MB and not send 33MB?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. Every Wide executable is 33MB even in release mode :P
@CatPlusPlus I did if the previous commit was also 33MB and they're nearly identical.
 
8:12 PM
1 hour ago, by Griwes
I don't know why we are putting the "14" in quotation marks.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's not true...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They did the same with all VS versions where they weren't sure what the release year would be.
 
@DeadMG They know what the release year is, because THEY JUST FUCKING RELEASED IT
Moronic tosspots
 
no, they released a preview.
 
8:13 PM
They released a CTP
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's CTP, not a final product.
 
they don't know when the final release will be.
 
Yes, I know that, fuckfaces
OH please
 
expected 2015 is what the blog says.
 
Then they should stop naming things after years
 
8:13 PM
I know.
 
Twitter slow for anyone else?
@JamesMcNellis Or forgetting that the last 2000 years happened.
 
> That is, a function definition is in fact a statement (an assignment, more specifically) that assigns a value of type "function" to a variable.
2
@DeadMG ^
so should I collapse it to an assignment?
 
user1804599
Do they not name the function for in stack traces or something?
 
I thought ASTs are supposed to be Abstract
as in, carry the least information about original code possible
also why was my message starred?
2
 
8:16 PM
That's not what abstract means...
 
user1804599
f = function() end would show up as anon function in stack trace whereas function f() end would show up as f.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Because it's a stupid thing
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Let me rephrase then answer: "(Is) Twitter for people who are slow?" Yes, definitely!
 
Uh, no, they should carry as much information as possible
 
@JerryCoffin derp
 
8:16 PM
I prefer to keep raw ASTs that match source as close as possible and then just do tree transforms later.
 
They're abstract to differ them from concrete ones, i.e. ones that 1:1 match the source code as tokenised
 
not that I do much of this kinda stuff nowadays
 
Transforms are easy to compose in Haskell and non-destructive.
Have fun
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Have fun. :3
 
8:18 PM
Let's give you the maximum alone time possible.
 
lol
 
Idiots
 
Well I guess we've found out whether you can delete a flagged message.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah - all my deliverables can be installed with older versions, (and actually be run in parallel with them). Microsoft are not very good at installing.
 
Very well coded (tm)
 
8:18 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah ;) was just writing that.
 
@CatPlusPlus Why do you always say that sarcastically when a feature works properly?
 
so who is gonna write Flag Defender?
 
And here's one tool to ban people that is now proven utterly defeatable
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'd rather go down with pride than surrender like a coward
 
user1804599
8:19 PM
@Jefffrey Let’s do it together. <3
 
The only tool
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes a tool that removes your message if it gathers too many flags
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Because it doesn't and your opinion on how it should work is dumb
 
I got an idea for that after I was banned. suspended
 
8:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus No, you can still flag for mod intervention if you have an actual problem that isn't playschool "but he's so annoying!" crap.
 
There is one. More flags.
 
@rightfold on my 3: 1.. 2.. 3..
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean, before you get suspended.
 
user1804599
He knows. He’s just trying to be annoying.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nah, they're supposed to represent the source code as it matches to the productions.
 
8:20 PM
effectively making suspension by flagging impossible
@DeadMG I see.
 
you still need stuff like source location information for errors and such
 
still, though...
Lua manual states that it's just syntax sugar
 
really ASTs are not terrifically abstract.
 
I mean, I write var f = function ... in JS often enough to not mind it
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ah, maybe they changed it, or maybe it's just local function that has differences.
 
8:21 PM
@DeadMG the one I pinged you with was straight from the manual
 
@CatPlusPlus btw, how can I donate? (sent you mail)
 
user1804599
s/var/let/ :3
 
PayPal
 
user1804599
Pay your pal.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Fair enough.
 
8:22 PM
erm, where can I find a donate button?
 
fyi you don't even need a PayPal account on a particular email to use it as money destination on PP
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Cool. Done.
 
Login to PayPal, press 'send money' butan
 
8:22 PM
@StackedCrooked or lightnesspyramid.org
@StackedCrooked Great; thanks.
 
If you want the code the compiler sees to differ from the code the user sees, the errors are going to be confusing.
 
@CatPlusPlus What, the money gets sent as an attachment or something?
 
application/x-dollar
 
(You get an invite link to create account probably)
 
8:23 PM
Cool let's spam that
 
And if you don't want to create an account, you get no money. Bet PayPal keeps it. Bastards.
 
Oh wait, that means spamming donations.
 
@CatPlusPlus ok done
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Be my guest
 
8:24 PM
Woah
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes See whether you can knock over my email server. A fun challenge!
 
Thanks
 
np :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes At least spamming donations is better than damning quotations.
 
8:24 PM
woah thanks @StackedCrooked!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it was my pleasure
 
user1804599
@Griwes XD
 
@Griwes o.O
@StackedCrooked =)
 
@Griwes I like that.
 
8:25 PM
I'm honestly running out of things to buy with all these donations now
 
user3010322
What the fuck
 
user3010322
They release the Visual Studio 14 CTP right when I get fed up?!
 
user3010322
This is a trick.
 
user3010322
It's a lie. They're trying to just hoodwink me and bring me back.
 
user3010322
I won't go back. gcc or death.
 
8:26 PM
@ThePhD "14" FTFY
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lmfao haha, u silly women
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ikr
 
@ThePhD Use clang.
(If you're on Windows, then suffer in silence)
 
How do I get the phone number from someone who lives in the UK if I know his name using C++
 
Clang has that magical powder.
 
8:27 PM
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery You stalker.
 
His name uses C++?
 
@ThePhD VS 14? where
 
user3010322
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Pinned message.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I could ask but I'm lazy
@ThePhD link
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Magical powder...?
 
8:28 PM
@ThePhD it's a pun
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Don't you start
 
user3010322
 
user3010322
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery I don't get it. :c
 
Yes, the powder that makes it magically solve all problems.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is it not possible? Is there no public database/registry?
 
8:28 PM
May be found in the tin which magically created all problems.
 
user3010322
I don't want to use Clang on Windows though. It's RTTI support is getting better, but I rely heavily on small abstractions that should be inlined. :c
 
Oh - like 'Magic Smoke':)
 
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Are you off your fucking head?
There is a residential phone directory, but most people aren't on it because they (a) opt-out, and (b) only use mobiles
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No? I'm confused, it exists here on the other side of the Channel
 
And I don't think it's available online
 
user3010322
8:29 PM
> The noexcept operator may fail in scenarios that are involving complex templates.
 
user3010322
NOPE
 
user3010322
Not going back.
 
Xeo
As if you're ever using noexcept
 
You have to subscribe to a directory service.
 
Xeo
8:30 PM
also, they're at least aware of the problem
 
user3010322
@Xeo I'm in g++ now. I can noexcept ALL MY CODE.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Good for you
What they mean is using noexcept interrogatively
Which is needed rather rarely
 
I almost never use noexcept
 
user1804599
Crm
 
8:30 PM
It's needed way too often.
 
Only for special functions mostly
Otherwise I'm lazy
 
user1804599
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Me neither, since I almost never use C++.
 
noexcept(noexcept(...))
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes According to the VS "14" CTP, ever is "way too often", from the sounds of it
 
Fugly and annoyingly boilerplatey.
 
8:31 PM
noexcept(noexcept(...))? are you kidding?
 
user3010322
:O
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes They have user defined literals now. Maybe ogonek could compile a bit better?
 
user1804599
He is not just kidding, he is script kidding.
 
and you people defend the recent language changes
@rightfold good one!
 
8:32 PM
The ellipsis is a placeholder but the rest is not uncommon at all.
 
That's ridiculous. What does it do and why is it required?
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The second one is interrogative noexcept, i.e., querying if some expression is noexcept
 
So "noexcept this if other thing is noexcept"?
 
Xeo
the first one is for declaring the current function noexcept (or not)
yes
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's saying, "I don't emit exceptions if this expression doesn't emit exceptions".
 
8:33 PM
Xeo your formatting is inconsistent and it triggers my OCD
 
joseph and mary
 
G R A P E S
 
Xeo
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery go cry in a corner
 
user1804599
G R A P H E S
 
8:34 PM
@Xeo "whether", btw
 
Xeo
@LightnessRacesinOrbit meh
Why not "if"?
 
user1804599
What if?
 
because that's the wrong word...
 
Xeo
Why?
 
in JavaScript - Can I fry that?, 29 mins ago, by Kendall Frey
there's my good deed for the day. time to grab a chainsaw and go orphan hunting
 
8:34 PM
because it means something different?
 
damn they are sensitive in that channel
 
(If (something is ...) (querying))
 
user1804599
How?
 
I mean if you want to go down the "as long as you can understand me then it doesn't matter" route then ɹǝɐllʎ ʇɥǝɹǝ,s uoʇɥᴉuƃ I ɔɐu sɐʎ ʇo ʇɥɐʇ' qnʇ I dɹodosǝ ʇɥɐʇ ᴉʇ,s ɐ ɟɐᴉɹlʎ lnpᴉɔɹons ɐɹƃnɯǝuʇ ᴉu ʇɥǝ ɯɐᴉu
 
user1804599
Whom?
 
user1804599
8:36 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I often don’t understand your comments on Stack Overflow because you use code tags for highlighting important words or for quoting phrases.
 
"I want to see if the bus is here yet" means: "conditional upon the bus having already arrived, I would like to enjoy the power of vision".
"I want to see whether the bus is here yet" means: "I want to find out the result of the boolean expression 'is the bus here yet?'"
A programmer should be able to grok the difference
@rightfold sorry sir
 
I lispified it above.
 
I admit to using them for quoting in comments
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah but nobody understands Lisp
 
Xeo
Meh. I'll remember it
 
;)
It's not quite "statement" vs "expression", or if vs ?:, but it's close.
 
user1804599
8:38 PM
@Xeo Depends on if your brain is fit enough.
 
I got yelled at for "over-using" <sup></sup> to write notes in my posts
 
"if X" has no type in English. "whether X" has type bool
 
I use them to aid readability, but apparently this guy thought the font was too small
 
user3010322
8:39 PM
Maybe...
 
all I could think was; "erhm, increase your font size", but I at least fixed one post
 
@FilipRoséen-refp <sup><sup><sup>his loss</sup></sup></sup> ʰᶦˢ ᶫᵒˢˢ
 
user3010322
.... Maybe I should give the CTP a try...
 
OH COME ON NOW
 
user3010322
You know... just a little bit, you know...?
 
8:39 PM
Tons of footnotes aid readability??
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit if I could use it in here.. whoa whoa!
 
Argh what a disaster.
 
user3010322
Hnngh.
 
user3010322
Must.
 
user3010322
8:40 PM
Going back to VC++.
 
Wait, you do it to make smaller text to... aid readability?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Maybe, but hard to be certain if if is. :-)
 
user3010322
I know it'll abuse me. I know it will. But I still don't have a build system made for me.
 
ᵀᵒ ᵇᵉ ʰᵒᶰᵉˢᵗ, ᴵ ᵈᵒᶰ'ᵗ ᵗʰᶦᶰᵏ ᴵ'ᶫᶫ ʷʳᶦᵗᵉ ᶫᶦᵏᵉ ᵗʰᶦˢ ᵛᵉʳʸ ᵒᶠᵗᵉᶰ⋅⋅⋅
@JerryCoffin noooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I can see that, I don't mind
 
8:40 PM
You mean in the same sense euthanasia is aiding?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp see what?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it's fine, and it looks cool
@LightnessRacesinOrbit your poetry
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit SCNR.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp I don't see anything. Sorry, no idea to what you're referring.
^ ⁽ᵁᶰᶦᶰᵗᵘᶦᵗᶦᵛᵉ ʷᵒʳᵈ ᵒʳᵈᵉʳ ᵗᵒ ᵃᵛᵒᶦᵈ ᶜᶫᵃᶦᵐˢ ᵒᶠ ʳᵘᶦᶰᶦᶰᵍ ᵖʳᵉᵖᵒˢᶦᵗᶦᵒᶰˢ, ˢᵉᵉᶦᶰᵍ ᵃˢ ᴵ'ᵐ ᵒᶰ ᵃ ᵍʳᵃᵐᵐᵃʳ ʳᵘᶰ ᵃᵗᵐ⁾
 
a.. grandma run, is that what you mean?
keep such information to yourself, man..
 
8:42 PM
@JerryCoffin YOLO.
@FilipRoséen-refp YOLO.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How does it work
 
user1804599
I need a hugs boson.
 
@rightfold cum here <3
 
HоπesᴛΙʏ‚ ℭhαt Ꮇaгkdoѡn ᴄоuld bе maԁe so mцch morе Ꮷyϖɑʍiс, ѡоᴜlԁnˊt γ०u saγ?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit and that's exactly the reasons you shouldn't chase grandmas around, they might trip and fall.. hence; die.
 
8:43 PM
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Very well thank you
@FilipRoséen-refp Quite
 
user1804599
lol, they want a synagogue, a church and a mosque in one single building.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit have a wank, it's going to feel a lot better than using weird unicode hacks..
 
#ʸᵒᶫᵒ #ʸᵒᶫᵒ #ʸᵒᶫᵒ #ʸᵒᶫᵒ #ʸᵒᶫᵒ #ʸᵒᶫᵒ #ʸᵒᶫᵒ #ʸᵒᶫᵒ #ʸᵒᶫᵒ #ʸᵒᶫᵒ
 
@rightfold This way you can bomb the 3 at once!
 
8:44 PM
teehee
 
#optimization
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit quite.. what?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp It's not Unicode when I input it; there's a Chat command
 
ITT Lightness is bananas.
 
@FilipRoséen-refp just "quite".
 
8:45 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit quite what?
 
Oh no, you didn't
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ooh, ooh, ooh! [sic] I know this one
 
My next nickname shall be Tomaluck Gerrit-kewl
 
What do you mean it's not Unicode when you input it?
 
it's spelled "Kuwait", if that's what you mean; and no, my mother is from Senegal.
 
8:45 PM
ᴺᴼᴹ ᴺᴼᴹ ᴮᴬᴺᴬᴺᴬˢ﹗﹗﹗﹗ 🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Chat command translates it for me.
@FilipRoséen-refp ...
 
As a fellow pedant, you'll certainly understand my indignation.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "Madam, that is the kind of pedantry up with which I will not put!"
 
@JerryCoffin you got it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know what it means, I just don't understand the context you are using it. What is quite, what?
 
8:47 PM
@FilipRoséen-refp Follow the link, because clearly you don't know what it means in this context. The section of dictionary entries rendered in large font behind the link I just gave you, which you ignored, will satisfy your curiosity.
 
user1804599
Time to watch SpongeBob.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ?
 
It's always Unicode.
Pet peeve.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit now, I read it, call me stupid but I still don't get it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not necessarily. Just because there is crossover doesn't mean I'm always writing Unicode. Surely?
 
8:48 PM
or no, don't call me stupid.. that's insulting and this is the Internet. I'll flag it as offending! :(
 
I think I list it in my profile.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit jftr, I do know what you meant.
 
> exclamation
> 1. expressing agreement with or understanding of a remark or statement.
> "‘I don't want to talk about that now.’ ‘Quite’"
I don't see what's confusing about that.
 
Ah, no, removed it.
@Lightness well the pet peeve is your usage of the word to mean "unusual characters" or something like that.
 
8:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That I grant you, but really I was just shortening the phrase "weird unicode hacks" that refp'd used
 
Though pi would hardly classify as unusual, I think.
Hopestly.
 
It's unusual if you're neither a mathematician nor Greek.
 
Do you know what's the most common trans-ASCII character on Twitter?
 
@MartinJames o.O
@MartinJames Did you.. mean to do that? If so... um, thank you?! :D
@R.MartinhoFernandes "trans-ASCII"? is that like when you render each letter in a different colour of the rainbow?
 
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Q: How to Implement Macro in JAVA using Eclips / IntelliJ

Ilya_GazmanSo the idea is to support #Macro in java. Not only in the final result but also during compile time. So all the injections and code completion will work properly. To add the macro functionality to java we can use CPP. src/Test.java: #define READINT (new java.util.Scanner(System.in).nextInt()) ...

nobody down- or close-vote that, I wanna see how this turns out.
don't you dare touch it
 
8:53 PM
@Lightness beyond ASCII
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok like trans-Uranic
 
I dunno, ♥?
 
FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY
 
8:54 PM
It is more common than tilde.
 
😂
jesus fucking iphones
emoji to blame
 
yeah I just copied it from there ;p
at least I think I did - I still can't actually see any of these fucking things in Chrome
 
lol
It worked.
I can barely see the tears but they're there.
 
beautiful sentence
 
8:56 PM
lol
Oh. 23 already.
I gotta be up for the ferry tomorrow.
Good night.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Happy birthday!
 
Xeo
lol
night
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Enjoy recharging.
 
Xeo
Also, I should pack
wanna catch the train right after work tomorrow
 
8:58 PM
Java programs manage to be just as bad as C programs even without a preprocessor. — DeadMG 2 mins ago
2
^^ lol
 
Nonono. Please use OOP. No code generation. If you need to have a common method in a bunch of places just use inheritance. — dimoniy 14 mins ago
haha
oh, java peeps
oh you
 

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