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user3010322
12:02 AM
Fuck recruiters.
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow do you think it is solvable in Scala with with and mixins?
 
user1804599
At instantiation-time.
 
UnScalaBle :))
 
FUCK YAML FOREVER
 
Ell
12:15 AM
What's up with yaml?
I like yaml for the most part
 
it's so fucking awful goddamn terrible bullshit
no wonder yamllint.com mentions Ruby
that's a file format that someone who uses ruby would use
gosh it's so fucking bad I want to strangle its author
 
Ell
It is in the standard library :3
 
yeah I can imagine
 
Ell
what are you having trouble with?
 
getting it to fucking read
because apparently valid yaml is not valid for some people
 
Ell
12:17 AM
Can I see it?
 
your mother's a valid romantic interest
 
worlds:
 -
   name: world
   title: "Overmind Main World"
   enabled: true
   sendposition: true
   sendhealth: true
   bigworld: true
   maps:
    -
      class org.dynmap.flat.HDMap
      name: HDMap
      perspective: iso_S_90_hires
      shader: stdtexture
      lighting: shadows
 
I despise YAML
 
Ell
Change to - name: world and same for maps
 
I actually dislike it a little bit more than XML
 
12:18 AM
I can't believe how something so fucking bad could gain widespread usage
 
Ell
also I can't see if there are two spaces before the - or not but make sure there is
Awww :P
 
but then again, apparently Ruby and PHP are popular too
 
Ell
I think its two spaces anyway o.o
 
the sole fact you don't know is retarded enough for me not to use it ever
if I don't have to, that is
 
Ell
It is two
worlds:
- name: world
title: "Overmind Main World"
enabled: true
sendposition: true
sendhealth: true
bigworld: true
maps:
- class: org.dynmap.flat.HDMap
name: HDMap
perspective: iso_S_90_hires
shader: stdtexture
lighting: shadows
 
12:23 AM
oh look it's totally bullshit
 
Ell
Fixed
I had to extrapolate though
 
@Rapptz I don't dislike the idea. But I don't think it's a successful experiment.
 
Ell
I think you missed a colon but not sure of your intention
 
@Ell I swear it was fucking the same as mine
god TO HELL WITH THIS BS
YAML was invented to turn life of anyone that has to write it into a fucking nightmare
 
Ell
I love yaml. It is so easy to read and write IMHO
 
12:25 AM
if someone tells me his software uses YAML I will punch him in the face
 
Ell
heh
 
like no fucking other questions asked
if you use YAML you're a dead man to me
fuck you, your family and your camels
 
Ell
What don't you like about it?
 
HOW ABOUT FUCKING EVERYTHING
it's the most retarded file format ever
 
Ell
Give me an example :P
Of what you don't like
 
12:28 AM
I'd rather write x86 assembly in binary than yaml
It's by far more intuitive
@Ell the fact that too exactly the same looking files aren't the same
the fact that error messages generated are completely and utterly useless
 
Ell
That's down to implementations
 
I also hate the name
like, what else can I hate about it
 
Ell
also two exactly looking files are the same unless one uses tabs and one uses spaces
 
I fucking know when I am using spaces
 
@Ell It's easy to read but I don't find it easy to write.
 
12:30 AM
it's OKAY to read.
 
Ell
Maybe its because I've had lots of practise
 
who fucking knows
 
@Ell This. This is my introduction to YAML. And it's been MORE than enough. "make sure there are two spaces before the -." - WTF?
 
Ell
I did write 300 lines of it or something
 
I guess you can get used to everything
5 mins ago, by Ell
I love yaml. It is so easy to read and write IMHO
 
user1804599
12:31 AM
Well, this works. ideone.com/t5S5VY
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow ^
 
I'd rather write and read JSON than YAML
 
Ell
Ah it turns out I wrote 1734 lines of it
 
JSON, XML, fucking INI really
 
@Ell ohahahahaa
 
12:32 AM
INIs are cool
 
or dunno, use Lua as a DDL
 
user1804599
Programming language best configuration language.
 
user1804599
Anything else is shit.
 
@Rapptz more flavours of it then there have been windows OS releases, though
 
Yeah.
but the basic [stuff]\nx = 10 INI is cool by me
I use Lua or JSON for config now a days anyway
 
12:35 AM
I mean should strings be quoted? Is whitespace in values insignificant? Can haz line continuations? Do we have escapes in values? Can we have spaces in names? Can keys appears outside of sections? Can sections appear multiple times?
 
@rightfold sometimes
 
Ell
I find that strings should be quoted when you feel they ought to be :P
 
You feel em.
 
Ell
You can haz line continuations
 
iirc strings aren't quoted in YAML
 
12:36 AM
@Ell yay
 
Ell
whitespace in values is not significant
 
@rightfold hehe I was faster
 
@Ell I was talking about ini implementations
 
Ell
ah.
 
yeah I remember correctly
 
user1804599
12:36 AM
@BartekBanachewicz fundeps are great.
 
@Ell you're trolling/kidding right?
 
strings aren't quoted in YAML
 
@Ell all these are pretty bad news, though
 
Ell
@rapptz unless they start with a number iirc
 
oh god kill me
 
12:37 AM
@Ell lmao
 
Ell
Meh. I like yaml
 
@BartekBanachewicz nah, he's not a troller
 
you can't be possibly that stupid as to like YAML
I can understand many things
but this file format is just ground up retarded
 
^ Bartek.
 
@Ell look! it's worse than PHP
 
Ell
12:37 AM
Oh wait. I was wrong.
 
and that's a damn achievement
 
user1804599
Perl is nice for configuration.
 
Ell
I wonder when I do have to quote strings o.O
 
I wanted to give YAML a try but there was a monopoly on the whole parser side of things.
There's a whopping 1 parser for YAML in C++
 
@Rapptz I can spawn you one :<:<:<
 
12:38 AM
Why? It sounds like hell.
 
@Rapptz with Sol I guess that using Lua for config should be easy
 
yaml homepage is valid yaml :)
 
@Rapptz Oh well :)
@StackedCrooked yaml dan!
 
Not only do you have to support YAML syntax but since YAML is a superset to JSON you have to support JSON too.
 
@sehe yaml jezelf!
 
12:39 AM
@Rapptz what
 
@Rapptz huh?!?!
 
like can I write JSON when YAML is expected?!
 
ya
 
@Rapptz hi
 
12:40 AM
YAML (, rhymes with camel) is a human-readable data serialization format that takes concepts from programming languages such as C, Perl, and Python, and ideas from XML and the data format of electronic mail (RFC 2822). YAML was first proposed by Clark Evans in 2001, who designed it together with Ingy döt Net and Oren Ben-Kiki. It is available for several programming languages. YAML is a recursive acronym for "YAML Ain't Markup Language". Early in its development, YAML was said to mean "Yet Another Markup Language", but it was then reinterpreted (backronyming the original acronym) to distin...
 
user1804599
Maybe the expression problem can be solved through higher-kinded types in Scala.
 
expression problem wants to avoid recompilation but I don't think that's a really big issue
 
Ell
Seriously you guys must just be wusses or something, yaml rocks ;)
 
@Rapptz HEAVENS SENT
i hope that parser will be able to read it
 
@Ell I think it only rocks in ruby tbh
 
12:43 AM
ruby on rocks
well "Rocks on Rails" seems like a more appropriate description of what's going on
 
@BartekBanachewicz no need for personal attacks
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz LOL
 
Yeah, no need to be a meanie Bartek.
 
eh you're right
I'm overreacting because of a file format. Sorry @Ell.
 
Ell
S'okay brah. We cool, we cool. :)
 
12:46 AM
so this is like the worst seed ever
 
Ell
Looks pretty sucky
 
aye. I think imma reroll.
I have to configure dynmap properly though, I only barely made it to work
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's not Europe is it?
 
Ell
I have hopefully delicious brownies to look forward to in the morning
 
do you know how long it's been since I had brownies
you cockface
 
Ell
12:51 AM
I made them today :D
 
@StackedCrooked Part of Holy Roman Empire, isn't it?
 
I haven't had brownies in 2 years.
I want some :(
 
right, actually no, we were never part of the Roman Empire
At least Flanders was not, maybe parts of Wallony.
 
[00:41:29 INFO]: Full render of 'world' finished.
[00:48:38 INFO]: bajtek was slain by Zombie
well
imma build myself some web system for managing this server
gonna be fun
 
12:53 AM
ITT bajtek
 
@BartekBanachewicz what is it? Minicraft? Minecraft?
 
BTW if someone is so bored he needs to play MC it's open
 
@Jefffrey minecraft. Minicraft is on hold since a few months. But I am thinking about reactivating it
 
cool
 
12:55 AM
'86
 
@StackedCrooked Still not completely out of the woods?
./a.out: error while loading shared libraries: libboost_system.so.1.55.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
@StackedCrooked well, romans were here at least. up to the rivers. So, pretty sure Flanders was part as well. Only shortly, maybe
 
maybe my memory betrays me
 
yaaawn
time to sleep
'night folks
 
night
 
@StackedCrooked use ECC registered :)
 
Ell
12:59 AM
Buffered?
 
> Edward Snowden has received eight public nominations for the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize.
I suspect the US is greatly annoyed by this.
 
US doesn't care
 
why would they not care?
It seems significant enough.
 
US does care a scarily great deal!
It's not about security, it's about perceived threat and the power that comes with it
 
@StackedCrooked The Nobel Peace Prize is, ultimately, unimportant to most people. It's a pretty idiotic award to be awarded anyway (see: Obama receiving it for no apparent reason).
People here cared about Snowden for maybe at most 2 months and then they stopped caring and went back to whatever these people do.
 
1:09 AM
@Rapptz But it is reported in all news channels over the whole world.
And it would imply that the rest of the world approves of Snowden's actions.
Which makes the US look like the bad guy.
 
Precisely
 
On the news right now.
Heroin use.
No mention of Snowden anywhere
 
It reflects the opinion of majorities. It's one of the few real things that can influence the US
@Rapptz OF COURSE NOT!
7 mins ago, by StackedCrooked
> Edward Snowden has received eight public nominations for the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize.
 
If the major news outlet wouldn't bother reporting this then what makes you think Americans are upset over this?
Most wouldn't even know about it.
 
^ Ignore it as long as possible. It's not news /yet/. At least not, unless you make it news.
@Rapptz US != Americans
 
1:11 AM
I'm willing to bet that it'll never be news here.
 
@Rapptz lol, he didn't receive a nobel price yet
 
In fact, I've never seen a US outlet mention Snowden at all in the past few months.
 
user406009
Well truthfully, most Americans probably wouldn't read a Snowden article anyways.
 
@Rapptz you emphasise "never" when talking about the past few months :)
 
And they wouldn't, because they don't care.
 
1:13 AM
if there is no notable news about him then there is nothing to report
but a nobel prize would be notable news
DAMMIT
why is this even a discussion
 
@StackedCrooked s/price/prize/
 
user406009
I was somewhat surprised that he did not make TIME man of the year though.
 
On many people's lists, he was
 
@Borgleader right, thanks
 
@Rapptz Right
 
1:15 AM
@Lalaland TIME is an American magazine with an agenda, why would you be surprised?
Have you seen the TIME differences from the American version and the rest of the world?
 
@StackedCrooked Belgium didn't exist as a separate country until around 1600 or so. The Spanish mostly treated it like crap. Worse, it was a lot easier for the French to invade there than to cross the Pyrenees into Spain itself, so when France was pissed at Spain (i.e., most of the time) Wallony was what generally suffered for it.
 
@JerryCoffin wow, belgium was created in 1830. (that's one thing a Belgian knows)
or should know
 
Unie van Utrecht, Unie van Atrecht
 
@JerryCoffin oh, but you are right, in 1600 it did not yet exist
 
1:19 AM
Prime example: in 1695 (when Spain had reclaimed parts of Belgium again for a while) France invaded and wheeled cannons into the Grand Place, and fired (at point-blank range) at the buildings until essentially all of them had been completely destroyed. Belgians being slightly stubborn, they decided to reproduce it as it had been, so they rebuilt all the buildings in ~1300's architectural style, all in about 3 years.
 
yeah we are good at restoration
but that was not your point of course :)
btw, @JerryCoffin so you also are knowledgeable about history
 
@StackedCrooked The current country didn't exist until then, no. For the ~200 years before that, there were various attempts at a country between the Netherlands and France though.
 
I think we should have revolted against the Netherlands.
But hey.
 
user1804599
Wooo!
 
user1804599
Problem solved! ideone.com/eKWIgH
 
1:22 AM
@StackedCrooked Some history more than others. I've been to Brussels often enough I studied its history a bit more than most of the rest of the country's.
 
@JerryCoffin Why did you go to Brussels? (I think you explained this before but I forgot..)
 
@StackedCrooked There were several revolts, AAMOF. At that time, however, the Spanish were quite powerful and utterly ruthless though.
 
@JerryCoffin oh, lol, just noticed that I omitted the word "not"
 
@StackedCrooked Oh, that would make more sense.
 
I meant to say that (maybe) we should not have revolted against the Netherlands in 1830 (or the few years before that).
 
1:25 AM
TIL about 80HD
 
wtf is 80hd
 
@StackedCrooked A couple of times for EC hearings, a couple more just because I liked it.
 
80 HD porn videos?
 
@JerryCoffin EC hearings?
 
@DeadMG ADHD
 
1:27 AM
eh
that's suck.
 
@JerryCoffin Glad you liked Brussels. You should also visit Ghent if the occasion arises :)
I can walk by myself. Does that mean I'm an automobile?
 
@StackedCrooked I have (and Bruges, and Antwerp, and ...one or two others I can't remember the names of at the moment).
 
Ell
I've been to the war memorial in Belgium
 
@JerryCoffin Cool! I used to live in Bruges but moved to Ghent when I was 26.
 
Arguably every American should visit Ghent, given that it's (at least sort of) where the United Stated officially began to exist.
 
1:33 AM
@Ell Yeah, that's interesting.
 
Ell
It puts things in perspective
and then you realise there are so many more
 
@JerryCoffin I didn't know that.
Thats incredible.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz JSON is a subset of YAML :p
 
I didn't realize that Canada ever fought in that kind of war.
 
valid JSON is valid YAML
 
1:35 AM
I thought they generally pussied out of most of the big wars.
 
YAML is a superset of JSON.
 
I'm not 100% sure of my numbers.
 
Xeo
IIRC they even removed comments from JSON to achieve that
 
hullo
 
Ell
Morning tony
 
1:37 AM
this place is buzzing for this time of night
 
Xeo
welp, time to sleep. dark heresy tomorrow
 
welp finally fixed VS debugger
turns out that Windows just doesn't pay attention if you change env vars and don't reboot your computer
 
@StackedCrooked What did we do wrong?
 
you just sucked
;p
I mean to way we should not have revolted. See my edit a few lines later.
 
1:39 AM
oh... too complicated
 
Xeo
@DeadMG effectively, I think you only need to restart explorer.exe for it to reload the environment
 
stupid OS should mention that somewhere
 
I would rather being surrounded by dumb people & being the smartest than being surrounded by smart people and being the dumbest ~_~ .... just saying
 
why does Clang even contain this option which amounts as "Turn off all debugging information" anyway
hmm, interesting.
the downside of using Clang to perform OR is that you get asked to call overloads where Wide's rules say they don't match.
like implicit narrowing conversion.
 
@StackedCrooked Treaty of Ghent. Signed in 1814, ended the "War of 1812" between the US and UK (and Canada, acting on behalf of the UK), and was when the UK first acknowledged the US as a country.
A few other countries (especially France) had recognized the US as a country long before, but given that it was a former UK colony, the UK recognizing it as a country made it so there was no more room for anybody to question it.
 
1:47 AM
@JerryCoffin A big mistake
 
@DeadMG Granted, the UK has turned into a complete disaster since then (not to mention losing essentially its entire empire), but failing to recognize the US as a country wouldn't have changed that enough to notice. :-)
 
every empire that's ever risen has fallen
 
@DeadMG There are a few that claim they haven't fallen, just need some...repair at the moment. :-)
 
ack
now I remember why I had to turn that option on...
no matter what you do, Clang breaks the debugger.
 
IIRC, up through the '70s (while the Shah was still in power) Iran still claimed ownership of large parts of southern and eastern Europe, based on the days when the Persian empire had conquered them...
 
1:56 AM
lol
 
@DeadMG Similarly, the Kings of England claimed to be the Kings of France long after the French had regained control and kicked the English out.
 
user3010322
@sudorm-rfTelkitty But that's immensely boring.
 

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