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7:00 PM
I concur it could have been tidier. As i remember quite a few libraries have followed the same path, making debugging requests from fresh instances lees than user friendly
@Borgleader what did you use it for?
 
@DeadMG you might want to try fedora
 
@sehe Python/Django.
 
@DeadMG well, here we are cross the barrier though. Are you talking about the OS, or applications? There are terribly written applications on all platforms. I think really, you/we need to stop thinking of 'Linux' as the be all and end all, it's the desktop environment you want to compare, ie not win vs lin, but win vs gnome vs kde vs unity vs et al.
 
Oh well. If you did the whole shebang, that oughta be quite a useful starting project.
 
is sehe talking to someone I plonked? o.o
 
7:03 PM
@Borgleader also, try to think how long it took you to be comfortable Windows, your first three months of basically ever haven used a computer, assuming Windows is where you started.
@Borgleader to you I think...
 
@thecoshman It was but that was like 14+ years ago so I don't remember.
 
@Borgleader funny that :P
 
@A.H. I might totally not want to try fedora at all.
 
I started with win 3.11 :v
 
@melak47 old man
 
7:05 PM
...or am I? :p
 
even if Linux instantly ran every piece of software I wanted which is currently Windows-only, or had reasonable equivalents, and I was instantly equally familiar with it as I am with Windows, I've still got no reason to spend my very limited bandwidth on it.
 
@A.H. what, so he can be the only frog in the pond that quacks "yum" instead of "apt-get" like everybody else (inb4 emerge/pacman)
 
@melak47 DOS here.
 
@sehe I will quack with him
 
@Borgleader of course not cpt. Obvious
 
7:06 PM
@DeadMG well, since you still had to launch windows from DOS, and I played day of the tentacle which you also started from DOS...I guess I started with DOS, too :E
 
watching my mother assemble our first computer when I was about three years old is the earliest memory that I still possess
 
95 or 98 was my first
 
haha
 
@sehe Well I couldn't figure out what you were referring to when you said "useful starting project" =/
 
I used DOS v2
 
7:07 PM
wow you guys are ancient
 
I'm not that old though, we just didn't have any other computer :v
 
@A.H. Nah I just started very early.
 
to be fair, when I first dabbled with linux OSs I just couldn't work it out. It basically took having some time with someone else showing me the ropes before I was able to stand on my own.
 
I'm about middle of the Young pack here
 
@DeadMG 24?
 
7:08 PM
23
 
@Borgleader let me clarify: i don't know what went wrong then. Or perhaps you stayed inside the editor and let others do the system administration
 
Ell and Rightfold are a bit younger, like, 18-19 or so
and Robot leads the Young pack at 26, I believe.
 
he's 27
 
22 here
 
then there's somebody in here, jalf maybe, that's totally awkward and in the middle, like, 35 or something
 
7:09 PM
@DeadMG me, too. I always thought you were older :E
 
@DeadMG Fred maybe?
 
then many of the other regulars like Jerry remember how to dodge T-rexes.
5
 
@melak47 i didn't say it was on our computer :) we didn't have one until much later
 
@A.H. So I'm totally not ancient compared to you at all, I'm only a little older.
 
Congratulations, team Canada. That defence just destroyed team USA. Good luck against Sweden!
Thanks Wil :)
 
7:12 PM
sometimes it feels like I'm the only person in the world who doesn't give a shit about sport the Olympics hockey.
 
@DeadMG Don't worry, it's a common trait amongst intellectual elitists.
 
@DeadMG so I hear we're making a sports game for the competition? :p
 
don't remind me
 
It's called ice hockey.
 
for the game jam ?
 
7:14 PM
@DeadMG Robot and I are about the same
 
@EtiennedeMartel s/ elitists/s/
really? I thought you were a golden oldie
 
@DeadMG Yeah, I liked that you fell for that
 
hmm
 
You forgot about the TARDIS Onesie?
 
it's more the incessant complaining about utter irrelevancies like STL vs stdlib
that's definitely more a Golden Oldie trait.
 
7:14 PM
@DeadMG heh, fair enough
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You looked 20 on that picture with some dude begging you for something
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Its a Whonesie damnit =/
 
argh, come on Banished people, fuck more, my villages are half empty :(
 
@Borgleader Funnily enough, I think I was 20 in that
@Borgleader :D
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh that explains it.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's the only kind of hockey.
 
7:16 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I did to, but just because you are so cantankerous
@EtiennedeMartel until rocket hokey that is
 
@DeadMG ? :/
 
@thecoshman <3
 
@melak47 It's just that I just noticed that the last time I paid attention to the competition, it was still like three weeks away.
but frankly
 
So let's forget this conversation and I'll go back to being old
 
this kinda shit is why I rarely play games with others these days; I got invested in my Paranoia character but everybody else is always busy.
wankers.
 
7:19 PM
Or are they....
 
@DeadMG heads gotta be banged vOv
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's this "work" and "life" shit they have going on.
 
and to be fair, as a weekly thing, which seems reasonable to me, we only missed one out of two weekends.
 
@thecoshman Pretty sure that it would be more like 2/3 or 3/3 by now.
 
7:21 PM
well there's your problem, you've too good a sense of time!
How about tomorrow then? or Sunday?
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Oy, you here?
 
@ThePhD I missed you :D
 
@ThePhD HE LIVES :D
 
I think you're missing the point here
and the point is, there's nothing I can eat to make myself feel better, cause it all makes me feel sick.
 
@ThePhD ¬_¬
 
7:22 PM
therefore, fucking grump.
 
@DeadMG not even cake? :/
 
fucking doctor still hasn't gotten back to me about the CT scan results.
 
@ThePhD he's playing Borderlands 2 :v
 
@DeadMG vOv Poitín
 
user3010322
Well, I guess I'll figure it out manually.
 
7:23 PM
hah
 
user3010322
COMPUTER MELTY.
 
probably just make it worse
btw derpstorm you ever get Clang working with VS2013?
 
@Abyss Yes, there are. Look at const char * p; for example. p is a pointer to a constant character, but p itself is not constant. I find it helpful to mentally rewrite "rvalue reference" as "reference to rvalue". The expression that the reference was initialized with is an rvalue, not the reference itself. — FredOverflow 2 mins ago
Not sure if this analogy helps, but I couldn't find a better one.
 
@ThePhD it still runs chat though, so best leave it on :P
 
yesterday, by Bartek Banachewicz
I like how the flow on SO terrible questions is lately:

1. Someone posts a crappy wall of code
2. Lightness Races in Orbit comments that we (he) won't read and debug all that
3. Vlad from Moscow reads and debugs all that and posts a crappy answer
4. LRiO starts to argue with Vlad and is then forced to read and debug the question
5. LRiO posts his answer (with standard citations) that gets upboats
^^ sooooooooooooo true
 
user1804599
7:28 PM
@GamesBraniac come here.
 
@DeadMG Perhaps they're avoiding you. Not that I'm trying to instil Paranoia...
 
user1804599
Now.
 
@Mysticial Instead, I'm fighting with Juan on this one
 
user1804599
I deleted by beard and my moustache.
 
these are the people handling my case :(
 
7:32 PM
@Mysticial lol @ steps 2 and 3 especially
 
@rightfold ... 'by'?
 
user1804599
Thank you for waiting until the edit delay has passed.
 
@rightfold it took me that long to realise :P but at least I did
 
@rightfold So deleting by value and by reference isn't good enough for you anymore? ;)
 
user1804599
186
Q: What is this smiley-with-beard expression: "<:]{%>"?

XeoI came across the following program, which compiles without errors or even warnings: int main(){ <:]{%>; // smile! } Live example. What does the program do, and what is that smiley-expression?

2
 
7:34 PM
I'll also point out @rght, neck beard :P
 
user1804599
void f(T const{%>); // passing by const beard!
 
Primary closes in 24 minutes, guys
 
Nobody is worth voting for =/
 
vote for ALL the people!
 
7:36 PM
Interesting how you voted to close, but got the highest upvotes. — Jesse Good Apr 6 '13 at 1:42
lol hypocrite :)
 
@Mysticial Except that
yesterday, by sehe
@BartekBanachewicz Often, there's no involvement from Vlad. And many other times, Vlad-has-answered-this is likely yhe only reason why LRIO was looking at that question in the first place... :|
 
> As we are used to when it comes to C++, it's most likely that due to some weird, undetected defect in the C++ Standard, this program actually invokes undefined behaviour. LOL
 
It was Comunity Witty
 
@DeadMG oh, what version of boost are you on? in case we want to use any of it :v
 
1.55
 
7:42 PM
wasn't there something with 1.55 that doesn't compile with VS2013?
I'm still on 1.54
 
think that's 1.54
VS013's problem is with Nov CTP I think
 
why would I compile boost with the CTP :/
 
I did
 
Boost.Serialization doesn't work with 1.55 / VS2013 apparently, and ome other things.
 
won't need serialization
 
7:44 PM
guess I'll try :v
and this time, I'm not gonna forget the -j 6 >_>
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Cry me a river. — Maxim Yegorushkin 1 min ago
 
@DeadMG how'd you build it with the CTP? it wants the toolset...before I had msvc-12.0 here, do the boost headers even know about the ctp? :/
 
no
er, you just have to edit a config file or two, it wasn't a big deal
there's an SO question explaining how to do it
 
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Q: How do I build Boost 1.55 with Visual Studio 2013 CTP November 2013

Frederik AalundI'm aware that the new toolset is not supported by boost yet but I'd like to try to build Boost with it anyways. I've naively tried using the Boost build system and the option toolset=msvc-12.0-ctp but it doesn't work. I'm confident that it is possible since Boost 1.55 officially supports Visual ...

:)
 
yup that was it.
I just did that basically and it seems to have gone fine
 
7:51 PM
I've had to exclude boost.python in the past because it never worked, that still so?
 
Dropping the bomb: Range Concepts, Part 3 of 4: Introducing Iterables. Tear it to shreds! http://ericniebler.com/2014/02/21/introducing-iterables/
:D :D :D
 
Autistic copy-cat strikes again
Exactly how does this answer add insight that wasn't already in mine, that was posted 30 minutes before this? — sehe 58 secs ago
 
@sehe "Again"?
 
@melak47 Dunno, I didn't notice.
I only really use program_options
let me check what I got built
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It happens more often
 
7:51 PM
posted on February 21, 2014 by Eric Niebler

In the last two blog posts, I describes the challenges I’ve encountered while building a next-generation range library. In this post, I’ll sketch for you my proposed solution: refinements of the range concepts that allow delimited, infinite, and pair-o’-iterator-style ranges Continue reading →

 
@Feeds repost
 
er, most of them, but there's no Python here.
I have experience in Lua but not Python
 
@sehe I love how you're advertising for Coliru.
 
Borg:1 Feeds: 0
 
Eric Nibbler
 
7:53 PM
It's actually always sanity checking. It's a sickness :S
Also, partly it is insurance against /dumb/ responses ("it doesn't work")
 
user1804599
I am going to install MediaWiki, yay.
 
@melak47 Did you have a desire to use any additional libraries like Python, Lua, etc?
 
nah, just curious
 
Ell
@DeadMG how closely coupled is c++ integration with wide?
 
@rightfold I tried it on my VM, couldnt access it in the browser (on either host or guest) :(
 
Ell
7:55 PM
Okay bad question
 
@Ell incestuous
 
user1804599
@Borgleader I’m installing it on my VPS.
 
user1804599
Installing PHP now, next is PostgreSQL.
 
Teams prepping for the thing tomorrow?
 
@Ell Gonna ask a better one?
 
Ell
7:56 PM
Prepping how? >.<
 
Oh god. Why? Why do people like MediaWiki? WIth it's extra foreign markup and horrendously clumsy 'categories' for hierarchies
 
@Ell sorting out projects, repos, idk
 
@Ell coke
 
lol
 
I see puppy and melak discussing stuff about it.
I think
 
7:56 PM
vaguely
 
I don't think it's "teams"
I think it's just "us".
 
Ell
@DeadMG I'm just trying to word it haha. Basically it's could you (not you, one) add support for java/some other statically compiled language into wide as easily as c++?
Just a curiosity
 
@Ell If there was a decent compiler-as-a-service available, and the concepts weren't too difficult a match, then probably.
 
@DeadMG all other teams dissolved? or what
 
@ThePhD Sup
 
7:57 PM
dunno, maybe they already did this part.
 
Ell
@melak47 meh. I need a name before I sort that out :)
 
Me and Cat we're already prepared.
 
uh oh
 
Ell
You and cat?
 
7:58 PM
@Ell Wouldn't have to be statically compiled either. Could be dynamic if you can figure out a mapping.
 
@Ell eh, choose some random codename, then name the thing properly when you know what it'll be and do :p
 
Ell
@melak47 I like to base the name on the theme :)
Ohh
Yeah I guess you could do that
but all I do to prepare is mkdir x && cd x && git init .
 

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