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12:01 AM
Lo
 
"Why is there a polar bear on the cover of your book"
 
@sehe There wasn't enough room on the foreword?
 
@sehe Must be a new edition, I think i have all the Effective C++ books and none have polar bears on them IIRC
 
12:09 AM
hehehe
 
Well I dont have Effective Modern C++ but the cover of that one has a bird on it
 
 
Hmm.. what does that 'paintbrush swipe' mean? Where have I seen it before?
 
In Zen Buddhism, an ensō (円相, , "circle") is a circle that is hand-drawn in one or two uninhibited brushstrokes to express a moment when the mind is free to let the body create. The ensō symbolizes absolute enlightenment, strength, elegance, the universe, and mu (the void). It is characterised by a minimalism born of Japanese aesthetics. Drawing ensō is a disciplined practice of Japanese ink painting—sumi-e (墨絵, "ink painting"). The tools and mechanics of drawing the ensō are the same as those used in traditional Japanese calligraphy: One uses a brush (筆, fudé) to apply ink to washi (a thin Japanese...
reminds-me-of
 
'Как скрыть текст в ячейке гугл докс и черный список'. It's on hold, for some reason.
Thanks, TIL ..something but, aparrently, not enough:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27594965/os-class-3-3-6-remove-category-counts-when-it-shows-zero
 
12:21 AM
@MartinJames Weird.
 
@MartinJames I think "a lot like in OS Class 3.3.5, but subtly different from in 3.3.4" would be an appropriately enigmatic reply.
 
@JerryCoffin Feel free to pass on your useful information:)
 
Ell
Can anyone reccomend a USB headset?
 
it's been tried.
but the subjects didn't survive
 
@MartinJames Don't tempt me. I try to vent most of my attempts at humor here, where they're unlikely to hurt anybody.
 
12:27 AM
@JerryCoffin I gave up that restraint after linked-list-question-dumped-with-no-debugging #10367.
 
Ell
microsoft lifechat lx-6000
I need one of these tomorrow. Hmm
 
@Ell ... why?
 
Ell
Because I need a USB headset and apparently these are good value
 
Damn... This thing can handle 56 hard drives. Some server boards have 10+ PCIe slots. So you can put 560+ hard drives into a single machine.
 
@Borgleader There is one socket left free on the front of his USB hub - it looks untidy.
 
12:35 AM
@Mysticial ...if you can power that. :D
 
So I really like PVS studio but I can't afford it on my academic budget, anybody know of a good alternative/way to procure it?
 
@Mysticial Did you have some sort of techgasm? :P
 
@VáclavZeman The server is available as a free gift with the 50kw aircon unit.
 
@Borgleader I always do.
 
@Mikhail i think they have free student versions. Just contact the guy
 
12:37 AM
@MartinJames Wow! That's...insane.
 
Oh wait... not 56. Only 28. It's only 4 ports per SAS, not 8.
Okay, only 280 hard drives.
 
That could be over 1200 terabytes
should be good enough
 
I wonder what the MTTF of 280 hard drives is? 1 hour?
 
@Mysticial should be trivial to compute?
 
12:41 AM
Oh FFS Qubes Y U NO INSTALL D:
its the first OS i fail to install in VirtualBox
 
@Mikhail Too lazy to pull out Mathematica atm.
 
Ell
Raid 0 those 280 drives
 
@Mysticial For serial failure, assuming you raided them its just a multiplication of all failure rates
 
@Borgleader ..for Mysticial's Anime?
 
what kinda ide would popcorn-time devs use to create their multi platform gui that look near identical on mac, windows and linux?
relevant to this channel cause it is written in c++
 
12:51 AM
@nsij22 Qt?
 
=O
 
@Nooble What film is this from?
 
Hi everyone! I have a basic question about C++ classes and pointers.
 
gosh dat influx
 
12:54 AM
@Borgleader do they really use qt?
 
A lot of people use Qt, I haven't made a census to see if any of them are popcorn aficionados though
 
@Borgleader Put me on the minus side. I like popcorn, but don't use Qt.
 
lol fair enough are there any other options besides qt you could recommend? i find the qt docs are fairly outdated
 
@nsij22 The last time people attempted cross-platform UI that looked near identical, we ended up with Java Swing.
 
> i find the qt docs are fairly outdated
I call BS
 
12:57 AM
SO now has dead/vampire posters: 'Cannot retrieve data from ECG - Arduino'.
 
Usually you would try to adhere to the UI conventions of each OS.
@MartinJames The sad thing is that's usually the entirety of their question.
 
@Insilico check out the compilation and publishing information for the macosx section
 
ECGs are actually in principle not terribly difficult to capture and process
 
@Insilico I didn't actually look at the code, but now I see it has 'Serial.println("dead");'
 
@MartinJames You wouldn't happen to have a link to it?
Not necessarily to actually help, of course.
 
1:00 AM
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Q: Cannot retrieve data from ECG - Arduino

user3744439Hi StackOverflow community, For the past couple of weeks, I have not been able to find a solution to my problem. My problem is that I cannot retrieve the data from my homemade ECG that I created from Arduino. I am a total amateur at this, but I'm pretty sure it's a circuitry issue. Here is wh...

It's quite prolly a hardware issue. Can't be bothered with it.
 
I was going to ask if they have access to an oscilloscope, but that's not usually in an Arduino user's toolkit.
 
@Insilico Mebbe he has a LED on it?
 
Why does this have +17 in just a few hours? It's an obvious dupe!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Now has two duplicate votes.
 
@Insilico <3
Shame we can't delete those answers
actually I may flag for merge
 
1:04 AM
@Insilico 4 now
 
I reference the original question quite often and couldn't believe my eyes when I was reading down the new post. "This post is only 21 hours old. And so is that answer. And this one. And this one. Wtf is going on!"
 
Do we have a lounge poll on who uses which Linux distro?
 
By the way, merry (early) Christmas! (if you happen to celebrate Christmas)
@Borgleader Clearly, the answer is Linux Mint.
 
@Borgleader Puppy Linux
 
@Insilico Oh god man it's the 21st stahp
 
1:06 AM
(I use debian/ubuntu by the way)
 
@sehe I was 99% sure that was not a thing...
 
can we try to avoid the usual "people saying Merry Christmas every single day between now and Thursday" nonsense?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No.
 
@Insilico well shit
 
@Borgleader It was the obvious joke response :)
Puppy Linux operating system is a lightweight Linux distribution that focuses on ease of use and minimal memory footprint. The entire system can be run from RAM with current versions generally taking up about 210 MB, allowing the boot medium to be removed after the operating system has started. Applications such as AbiWord (word documents), Gnumeric (spreadsheets) and MPlayer (multimedia player) are included, along with a choice of lightweight web browsers. The distribution was originally developed by Barry Kauler and other members of the community. The tool Woof can build a Puppy Linux distribution...
 
1:07 AM
Anyone know why this fails to compile? coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/d3dc50e60b2abb2e
 
@sehe So it's not actually written in Wide.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit can we try to avoid the spastic "ermagad people say greetings at inconvenient moments and my autism doesn't allow it" between now and, say 2 weeks
 
'The tool Woof can build a Puppy Linux distribution...' ... .. wonderful. As if there are not enough problems with puppies already.
 
@Insilico yet
 
@Mysticial There's no matching function for the call to foo().
 
Ell
1:10 AM
@Borgleader I use Linux mint atm
But I'm trying to cook up my perfect distro on top of gentoo
 
Goodnight all, and Merry Christmas.
 
Ell
But its proving difficult
 
@MartinJames Good nite
 
@Mysticial could be a compiler bug coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/5c60851ebcd5fb64
@MartinJames Thank you
 
@MartinJames You too kind sir.
 
Ell
I want a good looking distro. I was going yo restrict myself to gtk3 applications only
 
@sehe Someone should file a bug report
 
Ell
Its not realistic though.
 
must be something to do with the alias
 
1:12 AM
And maybe make an SO question out of it, yknow... free rep is always fun ;)
 
@Ell What does Gentoo bring to the table that Linux Mint doesn't?
 
@Borgleader meh. I don't even think Mysticial is interested in those imaginary points anymore
 
Just curious, because I can't be bothered to keep track of the 2123984 different distros.
 
Interestingly, if I get rid of the typedef and inline int *__restrict__, it works.
wtf
 
1:14 AM
@Mysticial they prob foobared the alias wrt __restrict__ (and possibly other keywords)
 
Ell
@Insilico Linux mint is more than I need
 
@Mysticial How do you actually test that something like __restrict__ does what it advertises? Or do you assume that if it compiles the compiler will do The Right Thing for you?
 
stupid markdown
 
Ell
Also I want a better package manager
 
@Insilico I look at the assembly.
As well as any performance differences.
 
1:14 AM
@Ell So just want a smaller OS?
 
Ell
And from what I've read gentoos is better
@Insilico but mostly yeah smaller OS
 
...
 
@Mysticial Ah, okay. My assembly-fu is not quite up to par.
 
@Ell From what you've read, or from what rightfold told you? ;)
 
Ell
@Borgleader I don't think rightfold has told me anything about portage :P
 
1:15 AM
@Ell: Gentoo is good, if you like walls of scrolling text. :)
 
@VáclavZeman with nice yellow attention grabs!
 
@Mysticial No idea. :(
 
Speaking of Linux distros, I got my Raspberry Pi/Arduino-compatible 3D printer monstrosity working. :)
 
sounds buggy from what you're saying. how widespread is this behaviour?
 
@Insilico $2000 device driven by a $10 brain :-)
 
1:18 AM
@sehe Him probably need, I OTOH need 501 of them to get into the 10k club ;)
 
Ell
@VáclavZeman what programmer doesn't love scrolling through text? :P
 
@Ell There is a limit to everything. Gentoo goes beyond that. :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yoyo
7 mins ago, by sehe
@Mysticial could be a compiler bug http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/5c60851ebcd5fb64
 
@Mikhail Pretty much. Ironically it probably has more functionality than those $30,000 machines nowadays.
 
1:18 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I recently did some refactoring to remove a lot of code duplication. And part of it was to pass a force inline function pointer so that I could reuse the same loop template for all 36 places that it's used.
 
Ell
Gentoo & arch have great documentation too
 
2 days ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
before I accidentally let on to sehe that I don't give sufficient fucks about him to have actually bothered plonking him
That is so believable right now. Trololol
 
Boys, behave.
Also, good night.
 
1 min ago, by sehe
7 mins ago, by sehe
@Mysticial could be a compiler bug http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/5c60851ebcd5fb64
 
@Mysticial So GCC doesn't actually optimize away such a thing, I assume?
 
1:21 AM
@Insilico I haven't checked GCC, but both VS2013 and ICC14 do actually force inline the function pointer. So I get a clean loop with no function calls.
 
@Borgleader Oh, I don't see anything that guy says.
 
But I am trying to get the code to compile on GCC.
 
@Borgleader Nice to know he occasionally has smart ideas like me, though!
@Mysticial Of course this is difficult without any standard text; even if it were feasible for the obvious reasons then proving a negative (that this is not banned) would be insane. Lob 10,000 paragraphs of standardese into BZ. I would raise on GCC BZ though.
Haven't found any obvious existing bug for it.
I do wonder whether it could be very loosely related to gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=60712
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit VS2013 and ICC have the same "bug".
 
1:24 AM
that girl on the motorcycle :O
 
I end up having to declare the pointers restrict in the caller as well.
 
@Borgleader So sexist. All those comments about how "stunning" the ladies are. What are we, pieces of meat?! Check your 1950s privilege, gees.
 
...
 
and photos of old ladies when they were in their prime are depressing. we're all getting old
:(
 
1:27 AM
I dont even know if youre trolling anymore
 
Ell
You are just a piece of meat
 
@Borgleader It really is depressing :(
those teens on a date. man, it all just fades away in an instant, doesn't it, like breath on a mirror
 
but youre like... <30
 
and so therefore
 
@Borgleader Never will happen again. :(
Good morning.
 
1:30 AM
hey
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit fading in an instant is usually called disappearing ;)
 
vanity vanish
 
Ell
What do you mean anyhow? It fades? The memory fades?
 
everything you are
 
Ell
You can make the change good anyway
 
1:31 AM
I wish to grow old and become awesome like Patrick Stewart.
 
you pillock
Homeland finale tonight
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what...
 
cultured conversation
 
what did i say to deserve "you pillock"
 
1:37 AM
nothing I was just enjoying the word
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is that real?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit So does it make your clothes smell/feel like leather?
 
I'm watching a BBC documentary on Africa, and it made me want to watch Top Gear's special episode from there again. There are some really nice places in Africa.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol what is that handcuff?
 
@MarkGarcia Yes, apparently.
Nothing could possibly be wrong with this marketing campaign.
 
1:44 AM
lol
 
Hey
 
Did they just confuse valentines with christmas?
 
Quick everybody hide it's an iOS developer
6
 
So this isn't an appropriate question for the main site, but I'd like some help communicating between C and Assembly.
 
@MarkGarcia ;p
 
1:45 AM
Wait, I'm an iOS developer too.
 
...
 
@Moshe This is kinda awkward but, um, I was talking about you.
 
Lol, I know. I was being sarcastic.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not the sharpest i in the store is he?
 
1:46 AM
Wokay. Nice confuzzling move
 
So this is totally homework-ish, but my final exam is tomorrow, so I want to know if anyone can help me out here.
 
(He raises a good point)
@Moshe At the present moment, with the information provided so far, nope 'fraid not.
 
In C++, if I declare a function as extern "C" {prototype yadayada} does that prevent the compiler from mangling the method/function so that assembly can't call it?
 
1:49 AM
@Borgleader Hail to thee, fat person. You kept us out of war.
 
@Moshe have you read anything about it? yes
 
@sehe I listened in class. Sorta.
Last final exam for the semester is tomorrow night. I want to get back to working on iOS stuff. So meh. Anyway, I'm gonna try and write something and then come back for help.
 
@Moshe Still in classes
Oct 12 '12 at 6:48, by Moshe
@sehe Haha, thanks.
 
@sehe I'm a senior - one more year.
This Spring semester should have been my last, but I'm a stubborn ass who insists on writing code instead of passing core classes.
 
@Moshe Ah! Okay, you'll be able to figure out the docs :) en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/language_linkage
@Moshe That's a nice quality (unless you wish to get that degree, perhaps)
 
1:52 AM
@sehe I care less for the degree and more for having finished it.
 
So conflicted
 
@sehe Tell me about it. 92 public GitHub repos later and I insist on finishing college, but not really...
So Assembly is actually really cool.
I'm just not sure I entirely grok it yet.
 
@Moshe It prevents C++ name mangling, yes. As for what assembly can and cannot "call" I have no idea.
 
Looks like I found another similar case of the restrict-typedef bug: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/85fa6d67fc1fd2e9
 
But the idea that assembly programs cannot call functions that have C++ calling conventions would appear to be self-evidently untrue...
 
1:55 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How would you call a method if the name is mangled?
 
@Mysticial jesus
@Moshe By calling it with its mangled name? They're not randomly-generated.
 
Also maybe function pointer.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I figured it would be something like that. What's the mangling pattern then?
 
It's defined by the ABI.
 
And this is why I dislike professors. They get all hand wavy to sound smart.
"Just do it this way."
 
1:56 AM
Here's a common one.
 
I guess, it's not technically a bug since restrict isn't even standard C++ yet.
 
"This IDE is the best because I learned how to use it and I wrote a manual for it." - My professor
 
Recall that pretty much every single program you run, written in C++ or otherwise, was in Assembly at some point of its life cycle. So it obviously "works".
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, that makes very much sense.
 
1:57 AM
@Moshe there's a good reason conventions exist. However, it's indeed trivial to realize (from just reading the generated assembly e.g.) that mangled names are mangled so that you can call them from another object
 
Unlike the blueberries I dropped in my coffee this afternoon.
 
@Mysticial May I ask for a favor? Those stars...
 
sure
 
@Mysticial Okay but despite not being non-compliant to any ISO standard it's clearly a __restrict__ bug per se unless this is intended behaviour which I seriously doubt..
 
@Mysticial thanks
 
1:58 AM
@MarkGarcia o.O
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They're annoying. And senseless.
 
@sehe Oh, I totally get that, but when professors don't bother explaining things they're tenured to explain, lines are crossed, circuits are shorted, and virtual machines may explode.
 
a.k.a. FUD
 
@MarkGarcia What are?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The stars, slowpoke. They're gone now. At least partly.
 
2:00 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Stars on things not made to be starred.
 
@MarkGarcia I must have missed them.
 
@MarkGarcia Like stables in Bethlehem
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@sehe Yeah, that.
 
Night peeps (and Sir. Lightness)
 
Good night.
 
2:01 AM
You only just got here!!
 
Guten Abend.
 
Seriously you people are so weird
 
What's a good C++ for me to get my feet wet with?
#FamousQuestion
 
What do you mean "a good C++"?
 
lol
 
2:02 AM
So I'm an ObjC developer. Where is a good place on GitHub or otherwise that I can clone code and take on a small bug and squish it so I learn some C++?
 
I .. don't know.
You could start with something really simple like the bug in GCC that @Mysticial's been tracking ... #trollolol
 
haha yeah
About that...
 
@Moshe Most open source code gets complex real quick, it's better to find a C#->C++ tutorial
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Geez. Take off the blindfolds. In more than just the figurative way in this case.
 
@MooingDuck Except I know about this much C# --> NULL/nil/undefined/0/nada/אפת/nothing
 
@Moshe er, wait, I meant ObjC then
 
@MooingDuck Ah, common confusion then. :D
 
Ell
@MooingDuck hi :)
 
Is there a good reason I'm forced to use VirtualBox to run 32 bit assembly on my MacBook?
 
2:06 AM
@MooingDuck C# don't dereference member operator. :P
 
I feel like I should be able to run this second rate IDE natively on OS X.
2
 
@Ell hi
 
@Moshe get a PC
trololol
 
@Borgleader What, and run a second rate IDE natively on a second rate OS? Shnap!
 
Well I'd rather ride a quad bike along a mud path than ride a space rocket along a mud path
Some things are kinda just not meant to go together, y'know?
 
2:08 AM
Well, I'd rather working software than more analogies.
:p
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Truth
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well you said "along" so the rocket is still okay if you only stay well above the mud path.
 
What IDE do all the cool kids use? I'm an Xcode fanatic (pronounced fan-ah-tick, like lunatic.)
My professor is mandating CodeBlocks.
 
CodeBlocks is the new Dev C++.
 
Or, does anyone else here use Xcode extensively?
@MarkGarcia Haha, we have professors mandating that one too. Makes me wanna cry.
 
I used XCode for a project in school, and I hated it (also managed to crash it repeatedly, sometimes twice in 5 min). But my opinion doesnt matter because my IDE of choice is C++ (w/ Resharper)
 
2:12 AM
@Borgleader s/C++/Visual Studio / MSVC/
 
Xcode has its crashy moments. I'm trying to restore Java capabilities to it. They stopped support in Xcode 4, removed it entirely in 5.
(Don't judge me.)
 
Cool. Italics make slashes more and less slantier. / test\test
 
@Borgleader I bought my Dad Resharper as a birthday gift a few years ago.
 
1 hour ago, by Borgleader
stupid markdown
 
Yeah. Any way you know of formatting the backslash?
 
2:17 AM
nite
 
Good night.
 
So in Assembler, Int 80h is like a "process the current registers" call?
(In 8086 assembler.)
 
2:32 AM
It's an interrupt
 
@Moshe It's a software interrupt. It pushes flags, CS, IP and transfers execution to the vector stored at offset 80h in the interrupt vector table.
 
CS/IP?
 
@Moshe Code segment, instruction pointer, (registers).
 
Ah, got it
@MartinJames CS is just the MAR?
 
@Moshe It's a segment register that holds the base address of the current code segment.
Look up 8086 architecture.
 
@MartinJames Is the Wikipedia page thorough enough?
 
It might be related to lazy allocation. The debug library is probably initializing the data with garbage for the purpose of debugging. But in release, the pages aren't committed until first access. So you pass the overhead from setup to runtime. — Mysticial 38 secs ago
That may be the only chance I have to get that stupid Solstice hat. lol
 
You dont need any other hats than the pirate hat
:P
 
2:57 AM
@DietmarKühl Sup
 
is that the shortened version of "What's up?" - things get ever more abbreviated.
 
Yes
I'm young => I can't write properly ;)
 

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