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12:13 PM
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Q: Is "pass by value" synonymous with "functional programming"

udayIs "pass by value" synonymous with "functional programming" ? Are there any iterative programming languages that are (largely) "pass by value"? Are there any functional programming languages that are (largely) "pass by reference"? Thanks.

10 gryffindor points to those who gets it and explain it to me
 
lolwat
 
Ell
Okay I have 141,837 cookies per second
 
damnit elmo
stop eating cookies
 
Ell
:D
 
@Ell how many portals?
 
Ell
12:20 PM
@Jeffrey 28
 
WTF
 
portals?
 
I'm working my ass off to get to my fifth. And you have 23 more... :(
 
12:21 PM
okay here we go
 
Ell
@Jeffrey got 4 time machines too ;)
 
:O
@Ell just out of curiosity how much do they produce?
 
Ell
123456
 
nice
 
what are the most cost efficient upgrades?
:D
 
12:24 PM
cursor
 
really?
 
possibly the grandma
:P
 
Ell
grandmas are good
 
Ell
they upgrade for each new type of cookie source
 
12:25 PM
now I have to spend hours doing this and read source code to devise the most optimal strategy
 
Really, it depends. The more you upgrade an item and the more it costs
 
true
 
So you'll reach a point where upgrading portals is better than upgrading grandmas
 
Ell
Yeah. For example, my cursor now costs 3,875,090
 
600 more for my mine
 
12:28 PM
I'm probably the only loser to have an exam tomorrow (august 19th), right?
I mean, WTF! It's the fucking burning-hot-month.
 
Ell
@Jeffrey woah that is late for an exam
I'm donating blood in a minute
 
to homeless vampires?
 
Ell
To the NHS!
So, yah
My cursors now make 195 per click
 
Ell
idk o.O They just do
 
12:34 PM
mine generate 1 per click
 
Ell
Oh wait
it's probably because I have so many, it only displays one number per second
idk
 
My grandmas generate +19 (IIRC they generated +10 at the beginning)
 
they start at +5
 
Xeo
+5, no?
 
but ramp up quickly to +10 when you have a shipment
 
Xeo
12:36 PM
The Elder spell is nice
 
what spell
 
spells?
 
Xeo
The Elder's ... Bribe? Whatever it's called.
 
screenshot
 
Xeo
Don't have the game open anymore
You can get it once you reach 2m cookies
 
12:37 PM
ah
 
Import this save:
0.125|353339168|72|18628|59|29285|46|40386|35|56308|36|216571|33|1161388|21|7400279|0|123456789
To see the Elder Pledge.
 
meh, I'll just discover it when I get there
 
I ain't gonna cheat, man!
 
also, has anyone here ever experimented with creating your own runtime and ditching libc?
yay first alchemy lab
 
30 seconds to 2M cookies
 
12:46 PM
339 cookies per second =/
have to save for a portal I guess
 
Portals are +6666
so yeah, I'd save for that
 
Xeo
They amount to ~1.3k Cookies/sec
 
hmm
Where's my elder pledge? I'm at 2.000.000+ cookies :(
 
40 cursors
30 grandmas
10 factories and 4 mines & shipments
 
Xeo
12:49 PM
@Jeffrey Flashing disabled?
 
@Xeo lol, yep
 
Xeo
Because it's a pledge to get rid of the annoying elders in the background :P
Boosts cursor & grandma production rate for a limited time
And the boost depends on how many facilities you have
 
the grind for a portal is long =/
at 50.000 now
 
@Xeo d'you say it's worth it?
 
Xeo
Click it and watch your cookies / sec
 
12:51 PM
WTF +107 the cursors
 
Xeo
@nightcracker portal was 1m?
 
yes
at 450 cookies/s now
 
Xeo
Way too low
Get some more alchemy stations
 
I have 2
 
Xeo
Too low
 
12:52 PM
they take ages to repay for themselves
they produce 500
 
Xeo
They give 100/sec
Which is much more than the other facilities.
 
so it takes 10 minutes for them to repay themselves
 
Xeo
Well then, look at the price, and the cookies/sec
and see which facility is the cheapest right now
and stock up on that until it isn't anymore
 
whatever I'll buy two and they'll start profiting me in 10 minutes
4 alchemy labs now
 
Xeo
12:54 PM
As I said, also check the other stuff
if you can get 10 mines for cheaper than one lab, get em
same for 5 shipments
 
The elder pledge is the deal. +120 per cursor it's fucking amazing
 
ok stocked up some mines
 
It boosted my cookies/second ratio of 2.000+
 
Xeo
As I said, more facilities, more cookies per cursor and grandma
 
only 2k?
I don't even have a portal
and sitting at 800
 
Xeo
12:56 PM
> boosted
 
oh it boosted BY 2000
my brain just replaced "of" with "to"
 
@nightcracker yup
10k now
 
Xeo
Which is nice, for under 1m cookies
 
do you guys even click the cookie?
 
lolnoob
:P
 
12:58 PM
Why bother? Unless you use AutoHotkey or something, it's just a waste of time.
 
Is the idea to continue to create more and more cookies?
 
Actually I can't even click the cookie now.
 
too much lag
wait, apart from the grandma, how much cookies/sec does every facility produce?
(the grandma depends)
 
Factory +20
 
cursor - 0.2
 
12:59 PM
Mine +50
Ship +100
Lab +500
Portal +6666
 
factory - 4
 
Oh per second. Hmm. Don't have a clue.
 
mine - 10
shipment - 20
 
Xeo
0.2 (depends with elders pledge), depends, 10, 20, 100, ~1.3k, fucking much
 
var grandmaGain=Math.ceil(4+(Factories?1:0)+(Mines?2:0)+(Shipments?3:0)+(Labs?4:0)+(‌​Portals?(Pledge?5+Portals*0.5:5):0)+(Times?6:0));
 
1:15 PM
^ makes me so curious what resulted in that ban
 
the profile page is pretty clear why
 
He has some excellent answers. I was completely miffed by his "1 rep"
 
"This account is temporarily suspended for rule violations."
 
@sehe will it remain 1rep even after the 7 days?
 
33 secs ago, by sehe
@nightcracker troll on
 
1:17 PM
he was banned cause he broke rules
that's the reason he got banned
 
Thanks for your continuous contribution of helpful information
 
np icebear
glad to satisfy your curiousity
 
Maybe, you could share the love with many more people on other forums and in your vicinity.
 
There are no people in my vicinity.
 
lol
 
1:20 PM
"At the end of this timed suspension period, your reputation will be recalculated, and your account will resume as normal."
 
almost a portal
 
@nightcracker What a surprise!
 
sehe did you know I always thought your profile picture was a gorilla
 
yawn
 
1:22 PM
only when I clicked on it I saw it was an icebear
 
This is quite fun.
 
42 mins ago, by nightcracker
also, has anyone here ever experimented with creating your own runtime and ditching libc?
 
> Brings cookies from the past, before they were even eaten.
That would be preferred, yes.
 
Which leads to a problem: the future you will steal cookies from you.
And you will steal cookies from the past.
So in the end you really have the same amount of cookies.
 
1:37 PM
all what matters is how many cookies I have NOW! muahaha!
and I suck at forward thinking.
 
FINALLY - I have a portal
 
I just built my second portal
 
I think this game is boring
 
@nightcracker you grow too fast
 
I have 33 portals.
 
1:39 PM
stahp
 
And 2 time machines.
 
wait
TWO time machines?
oh god the paradoxes
 
parallel universes
they steal from two separate pasts
 
Stop thinking about paradoxes. Start thinking about cookies.
 
what the fuck
my entire screen is grandmas
 
1:41 PM
That's the elder's wrath.
 
can I kill them?
 
The grandmas look like Bilbo Baggins.
@nightcracker yes
Elder Pledge kills them.
lol
 
ahahaha
 
seriously, these are just resources on this fkin site (Chrome > Dev Tools > Resources)
I wonder when they'll come up
 
2M
 
1:54 PM
Way too much of my screen is image right now.
 
Ell
hi again
 
greetings
 
10k cookies/s
 
Ell
195k cookies/s
 
127k cookies/s
I feel like I finished the game.
 
Ell
2:09 PM
Oh looks like I'll have to attempt to learn erlang again
 
"learn erlang" looks weird
so many similar letters
 
Ell
yeah
 
Ell
2:34 PM
Ohhhh the elder plegde makes your cursor clicks worth loads more
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked learn Erlang.
 
user1804599
@Ell Erlang is good.
 
@Ell Sounds like Candy Box.
 
Ell
Yeah it's very similar
but without quests
 
user1804599
2:46 PM
Oh God are you really playing that silly game.
 
so it's like Candy Box, but somehow even shittier?
 
Ell
@not-rightfold >200k cookies/sec bro
brbI''m napping
in4b fapping
 
user1804599
fapping
 
3:00 PM
@DeadMG oh yeah, that was the name. Nice game. A+
 
maybe if you're a complete moron
 
@StackedCrooked another big YAY for coliru:
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A: Dumping a C++ array into a file with a certain endianness

seheUsing karma::big_word or karma::little_word could be an option: See it live on Coliru Output of /a.out && xxd this.raw: 0000000: f000 f001 f002 f003 f004 f005 f006 f007 ................ 0000010: f008 f009 f00a f00b f00c f00d f00e f00f ................ 0000020: f010 f011 f012 f013 f014 f015 f...

 
Wow, this game is pretty addicting.
 
The fapping game is pretty addictive?
 
@sehe cool :)
 
3:13 PM
If a recursive function has been running for over two minutes, is it probably infinite?
 
Not necessarily.
 
You can't determine this reliably - for more info read up on halting problem
But heh, if you expected it to run in 2 seconds and it runs for much longer, then you can suspect that's something wrong.
 
Well, it used to run in about a third of a second. I made a slight change, which might, say, double it.
 
Ell
I just realised I tyied in4b
 
@StackedCrooked yeah, I really like how I can basically interactively show the results as I would present them in my own terminal. However, it would be even clearer if the 'run command line' would be shown (I know the set -x or bash -x / set -o xtrace thing is supposed to give that info, but it's not noob-friendly in that way)
@Ell ...
 
3:23 PM
@sehe I agree with you.
But I don't see a simple solution.
 
I think the cookie game is a bit ruined by the fact someone could just open the JS console and assign anything to the cookies variable. I tried it for 2000 when I had over 2000.
 
@chris Heh, it was "ruined" even before that - you can save and edit saves and import edited save.
 
Ell
@chris but cheated cookies don't taste nice!
 
@milleniumbug I thought about that, too, when I saw the save format when looking through the JS.
@Ell True, it ruins the fun, which is why I'm not going to ruin my game with it.
I'm still only at 22k/50k for an alchemy lab.
 
Why on earth do chat.SO messages show up in google search results. :-/
 
Ell
3:43 PM
They're in the transcript
 
user1804599
What a wonderful day.
 
user1804599
@chris You can't ruin that what does not exist.
 
How many edits does it take to make an answer a wiki?
 
user1804599
> See it live on Coliru
 
user1804599
That's not live.
 
user1804599
3:57 PM
Coliru caches the output.
 
Ell
Why not?
Oh
That's just detail
 
@Jeffrey IIRC, it's not really number of edits, but number of different people who edit (and I believe it's 5).
 
@JerryCoffin thanks :)
 
@Jeffrey Surely.
 
user1804599
4:14 PM
Arrgh fuck you Python.
 
4:43 PM
@not-rightfold I've heard of people thinking snakes were sexy, but that seems to be taking things a little too far.
 
@chris There's no satisfying ending to the game.
So it's ruined either way.
 
// Define an array of character pointers
CComSafeArray<char> *pSar;
that looks wrong
its a pointer to a CComSafeArray<char>, which I don't think is the same thing.
 
@TonyTheLion that code sucks, delete it ASAP. Even better: format the drive it's on.
 
You'll be glad to know its from MSDN
 
user1804599
5:23 PM
Damn.
 
user1804599
Who is Guido van Rossum's favourite musician?
 
Xeo
Do you want to see a magic trick?
 
user1804599
inb4 "binning it"
 
Xeo
Alakhazam!
 
user1804599
:D
 
5:39 PM
I love Lucky☆Star.
 
Anybody want to help me contemplate a lighting controversy?
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Never got past the first few episodes.
 
I didn't get past the first half of the first episode upon my first two tries.
But it got tolerable after that.
And after that it became good.
Btw, I also started watching Railgun. It's pretty good.
The World God Only Knows is also good. So is Danganronpa.
 
@Pawnguy7 Use a beauty dish. It's the (current) answer to all lighting problems.
 
But my fav series this season are probably Servant x Service and Silver Spoon.
 
5:56 PM
@not-rightfold meh
 
Evening
 
@StackedCrooked a third box, or an expandable div that says 'show shell script'?
 
100M cookies, yeeeey :D
@JerryCoffin well, boiled water is an example of that ;)
 
@Jeffrey Also needs to be virgin, which implies "living" (and remember: I get to judge what qualifies as "really hot").
 
@JerryCoffin I'm sure that if I pour some boiled extra virgin olive oil on your head, you'll judge it as extremely hot.
 
6:04 PM
@Jeffrey s/boiled/boiling/, presumably. In that case, probably -- at least for some definition of "hot".
 
:P
 
anyone here good with scons ?
 
I find it interesting that in the noise about performance the subject matter of the question seems to have gone missing: is it safe? I address that in my answer. — sehe 1 min ago
@JerryCoffin Are you, again, bargaining virgin sacrifices?
 
@JerryCoffin This is still going on? Or is this another bargain? Because I remember something similar from before I went to sleep
 
@sehe Sort of, I guess. last night, @Xeo was asking how many virgins he needed to sacrifice to get VS to install correctly. I offered him a laptop with it pre-installed for only one virgin (if she was hot enough).
@Borgleader Somebody decided to revive it.
 
user1804599
6:16 PM
Django. You piece of shit.
 
user1804599
Y u EmailField as <input type="text" … />.
 
@not-rightfold What else? Ah I see. I don't like html either :/
 
user1804599
@sehe <input type="email" … /> :V
 
Is that some HTML5 thing?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
w3schools
did that really just happen?
sehe you disappoint me
 
@nightcracker Even the best slip up now and again.
@A.H. I've done pretty well at avoiding it. Does that count?
 
@not-rightfold html 5 has such neat new things, my friend who's been doing web dev for years was so happy about the placeholder stuff.
 
user1804599
HTML 5 is a great improvement.
 
user1804599
Still lacks the lack of terribleness, though.
 
6:26 PM
@JerryCoffin that may have been the smart thing to do
 
they still haven't made p2p websockets
fml
 
6:36 PM
why the fuck can't scons find g++ !!!
 
@not-rightfold It may get there one day.
 
Morning.
 
Evening
Does anyone here have any experience with ditching libc and writing an own runtime?
 
user1804599
Don't do it.
 
user1804599
Use a library that offers abstractions over it.
 
6:43 PM
@nightcracker Ohohoh have fun.
@nightcracker I just woke up, so it's morning.
 
:P
@not-rightfold such as?
 
@CatPlusPlus mornin
 
If you're doomed to use C, glib maybe.
 
user1804599
@nightcracker The C++ standard library, the Python standard library, whatever.
 
user1804599
6:48 PM
Something that sucks less.
 
reddit continues to not understand what humour is.
Nobody is baffled.
 
user1804599
Arg Django y u throw ValueError on validation error.
 
user1804599
Way too generic.
 
Uh, where does it do that?
 
Back to Real World Haskell
 
user1804599
6:50 PM
@CatPlusPlus when calling save() on a ModelForm.
 
Check is_valid first.
 
user1804599
Race condition!
 
Validation doesn't happen in save.
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh come on. The one about orphans is kinda funny.
 
Then it doesn't fit the premise.
 
6:55 PM
@Jeffrey You can't change the opinion of the master of comedy.
Come on now.
 
lol
 
That's right.
(But really, look at the damn description of that subreddit)
 
Not my style of comedy but whatever, I bet someone out there finds it funny.
 

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