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7:02 PM
The book says you need to do a quick first pass where you flip through the pages and occasionally read a few sentences or paragraph.
 
@Mysticial Can't remember now
I did say this, but "don't optimise for attracting new users" is a far cry from "ban new users"
 
I feel like a balance must be stuck between the two viewpoints: it is good to learn things - to research properly, try things, etc - but I also think you do not need to be rude. You can be nice, AND shape people to ask better questions. In theory.
 
@Pawnguy7 In theory, yes, in practice, fuck noobs :P
 
It does seem that way. I think that the mission of SO is good - filtering out the noise - and in most cases, it is good. Due to this aim, you want to... purify questions to match the vision. I think the issue lies in how they are purified, and what you count as a valid question.
 
How come __func__ expands to a string literal? I want an identifier token that I could stringify! :(
 
7:13 PM
damn fuck
they broke the LoL servers and third today's LCS game
and ranked queues are disabled
duh.
 
@Pawnguy7 the problem is that most noobs aren't here to join the community, but instead get answers to their question. Thus, it's more effective to be mean than nice.
 
@TonyTheLion Most questions are not that bad even though it does not fee like that some days at the end of the day it is good to help out people who want to learn
 
@Pawnguy7 You can be firm without being rude.
 
@ShafikYaghmour true
 
@Pawnguy7 You can also be cheeky without being rude and without being non-firm.
 
7:15 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Agreed but it is a fine line and there are many cultural norms on rude as well
 
That is, there is no reason to splatter smileys everywhere: "Hi! It looks like you're new here. Welcome!! :-) It's so great to have you here. By the way, I'm sure you're busy, but when you get a spare moment you could, if you liked, look at our FAQ. It contains lots of handy information that'll make you happier and more productive! Well, catch you around buddy! :-D"
when "Read the site FAQ please" will work just fine
There's also a bit of a cultural thing in play; for example, Americans are typically overbearingly exuberant and chatty in normal conversation, where some other cultures take a more subtle and refined approach to conversation.
 
@TonyTheLion Now if I could consistently write good answers but that is a different discussion
 
@TonyTheLion top 100 on the app store.
 
The former may misread the latter and, in my experience both online and off, very often do. However, that doesn't mean the latter should bend over backwards to turn into the first...
> Scott Heron, 20, from the studio, taught the parents-to-be how to lunge and swish with a wand. After a duel in the Gryffindor common room the second-in-line to the throne claimed he had won - playfully hitting his wife.
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh shit, you play LoL?
 
Ell
7:22 PM
In FreeImage, the way errors are reported with a handler function - I want to transform this to exceptions but I'm not sure of a good design. I can't throw the exception from the handler - then it would be thrown from the wrong context. What should I do? How bad would a static std::string last_error be?
 
@Borgleader um, yes.
@Ell use Boost.GIL
 
Ell
ohmygawd >.<
 
@Mikhail removed
 
7:24 PM
@Pubby As in, only asking questions and never answering?
 
@Pawnguy7 pretty much
 
Okay, seriously I just got a 5k how do I install a soda machine in my office's kitchen
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz do you use GIL in minicraft?
I'm watching the video now
 
@Pubby Well, if they are like me, they don't know the answers.
 
@Ell not yet. Also image loading is part of the Engine not minicraft. I am totally going to change anyway
 
Ell
7:25 PM
ah sorry, engine
 
@Pawnguy7 There's other things like upvoting, editing, chatting, etc.
 
@Pubby Hmmm, that is a pretty big bucket of people and they are not all the same
 
@Pubby all require rep though. I can barely chat.
 
Ell
also, I didn't know Adobe did open source stuff
besides pdf spec :P
 
This is unrelated, but why do people typedef std::shared_ptr<foo> foo_ptr. It's annoying to read.
 
7:28 PM
because some people think that it's easier to read
 
Do you guys use shared pointers? I never understood them and never used them. Why use shared pointers?
 
@Mikhail I'm going through ASIO examples and they use shared_ptr a lot to keep resources alive across several callbacks.
 
@Mikhail Shared pointers are for shared ownership of a resource. IME, that's fairly unusual, but when you do need it, a shared_ptr is often a reasonable way to manage it.
 
I think certain graph structures like shared_ptrs too, although I've never done it
 
Ell
Hmm. GIL is mainly for image algorithms, right?
 
7:32 PM
A vacuous truth is a truth that is devoid of content because it asserts something about all members of a class that is empty or because it says “If A then B” when in fact A is inherently false. For example, the statement “all cell phones in the room are turned off” may be true simply because there are no cell phones in the room. In this case, the statement “all cell phones in the room are turned on” would also be true, and vacuously so, as would the conjunction of the two: “all cell phones in the room are turned on and turned off”. More formally, a relatively well-defi...
TIL this exists
 
@TonyTheLion also remember that there are 3 unary operators, can you name them?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz I think I'm going to stick with FreeImage for now. I only need to load image data, I won't have to worry about detecting format either
 
@Mikhail hmmm I don't think so
 
@EtiennedeMartel The only thing good about dead island was the trailer :P
 
I love that voice
 
never heard it before
 
@Ell welp. I like the idea of getting rid of a dependency
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Really?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz surely it's just changing the dependency?
 
7:53 PM
Oh, PEGI rating games in the UK is recent
 
@EtiennedeMartel yes.
@EtiennedeMartel games? oh, I don't watch game trailers.
 
Well, well.
 
later folks
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz just switching one dependency(freeimage) for another (GIL)
I guess if you already use boost then it's eliminating one
 
7:55 PM
Yes I obviously use boost
don't you use boost? o.O
 
@ShafikYaghmour Laser.
 
Ell
I don't need it yet :P
I guess I probably will, but I don't yet
 
um
uh, ok.
Most probably you are reimplementing something :)
 
Ell
Haha. All I need at the minute is the standard library
I'm not reimplementing anything, I just have written very little so far
 
Ell
7:56 PM
It takes time because I'm learning at the same time :P
 
duh.
everyone is learning, so that statement really means nothing
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, everybody should be anyway -- I'm not so sure everybody actually does though.
 
people who don't don't count anyway
 
Every day I learn a new way in which I'm an idiot. Does that count? :P
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz okay, I'm learning more than I usually am because it's a completely new area as opposed to only a slightly new area :P
 
8:00 PM
anyways really, boost is epic. The amoung of things there is tremendous
 
Ell
Yeah it is pretty awesome
I've used multimap & asio before
I can't remember other things off the top of my head (haven't really needed anything else either xD)
but now it looks like networking is going to come into the standard maybe
 
@Ell FreeImage and GIL are largely...orthogonal. FreeImage is mostly about reading/writing various formats of files (PNG, JPEG/JFIF, TIFF, etc.). It can do a little manipulation of the data, but it's really mostly about reading/writing various formats of files. GIL is almost entirely about manipulating image data in memory, working with pixels after you've read/decoded a file.
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin Right, I thought as much, which is why I'm sticking with FreeImage
I don't need algorithms and such, just loading pixel data
 
@JerryCoffin what? FreeImage has a lot to do with manipulation
 
Ell
It doesn't imho
it provides basic manipulations
 
8:04 PM
lol basic
what do you want, a damn photoshop?
 
Ell
No, I just want loading pixel data :P
 
I want it too
and thus I want minimal dependencies.
 
Hi all
 
@BartekBanachewicz Obviously some people do, yes. Others want something more specialized, but still (in at least some areas) well beyond the basic scaling/rotation/flipping kinds of things FreeImage provides.
 
any one in here know about AS3?
 
8:12 PM
Nobody does.
 
gtfo, please, and take AS3 with you
 
Now now.
At least say please.
@MRS1367 Please read the newbie hints before asking questions here.
 
@StackedCrooked -> I know that
 
Well, do it then :)
 
should be more than a hint :)
 
8:13 PM
My Question is about ActionScript 3 in FLash/FLex
so
this room for C++
and I ask it for this reason.
 
You ask AS3 question here because this is the C++ room?
 
Well, "for C++" is itself not that true actually.
 
@MRS1367 A little. It's basically an implementation of Javascript, but a slightly different version of the Javascript spec than most browsers implement (a newer version, IIRC). Note that's the language though -- most of the objects common to most browsers (windows, documents, etc.) are either missing or entirely different -- it's only the core language that's basically similar.
 
My Little Poney - Frienship is Magic would be more appropriate of a title.
 
@MRS1367 Explain to me why are you looking for people who know Actionscript in a C++ room?
 
8:15 PM
so
I ask it
cuz no room for AS3
 
create one then.
 
No enough points.
 
@Morwenn *Pony
 
@MRS1367 Why don't you post a question on SO?
 
@MRS1367 Farm rep then create a room.
 
8:16 PM
but I need a quick answer
 
fuck those noobs
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm so sorry! :o
 
"My wife lost her ring over there." "So why are you looking here?" "Oh, the light's much better here!"
10
 
@MRS1367 You didn't read the newbie hints, hmmM?
@Morwenn "Poney" is French.
 
@MRS1367 If you say things like that you make our blood boil.
 
8:17 PM
I read them
 
> As a result, we got lots of people who rushed in here to ask for help thinking they'll get their answer more quickly than on the main site. At first we were happy to help, but after a while, many regulars got quite jaded, and now the usual reaction is "go away".
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, but the spelling does not look like French, so I always get confused.
 
@MRS1367 You're a textbook case of that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel *phony
 
Has anybody here used AS3? I heard some love it and some hate it.
 
8:20 PM
@Pawnguy7 I don't even mind it.
 
@Pawnguy7 It's not the worst thing ever designed.
 
I used it @Pawnguy7
 
@MRS1367 No shit.
 
Yes, that was what made me query others (but, from a C++ viewpoint). I had the notion it was sort of scripty, maybe that changed.
 
Ell
I used it a long time ago
 
8:25 PM
Back in the 80s...
 
Ell
in 2010/11 or so
 
Spoiler alert: Deus Ex: Killswitch conspiracy (very interesting read)
 
I wonder if I could implement a Tree class which supports this initializer syntax:
Tree tree = {
    1, { 2, { 4, 5 },
         3, { 6, 7 }}};
 
Ell
it would be an initializer_list full of initializer_lists?
 
it's the yo dawg initializer list
ass hole
 
8:29 PM
Recursive initializer_lists. Try to make it constexpr for even more fun.
 
wow you guys are dicks
17
 
You just figured that out? :P
 
No
I just dont see the point of trolling the guy.
 
We trolled who?
 
Seriously, who?
 
8:33 PM
@Jaigus "Trolling"?
 
That AS3 dude?
 
If youre talking about MRS1367 that's not trolling.
 
whasup buddies??
I didn't ask my problems again. so what is the problem...???
 
That's what we're wondering.
That @Jaigus guy had a problem with something, and we don't know what.
 
^ This
 
8:37 PM
I create new room for AS3
 
I'm surprised there's no room for AS3.
 
I'm happy if any one come to AS3 room
 
Hum, first time seeing GCC mailing list archives. The "Milf porn" mail surprised me.
 
Building boost is 40 minutes in. I hope this is actually a correct build.
 
I have seen worse.
 
8:42 PM
What are your PC specs?
That seems awfully long
 
meh dubstep
 
It's Friday!
 
@Borgleader 6ish year old laptop. Nuff' said.
 
Oh that explains it
 
8:45 PM
@StackedCrooked Funny.
 
@sehe Nice. Using Object, Array, etc..
 
@sehe ?
 
Nov 11 '12 at 20:30, by sehe
Sep 23 at 19:13, by sehe
real	8m47.220s
user	8m2.662s
sys	0m34.374s
@StackedCrooked It's for JSON, but it's still a tree
 
I could use something like: Node{Node{0, Leaf{2} , Leaf{3}}, Node{1, Leaf{4}, Leaf{5}}}
 
8:51 PM
@Pawnguy7 That was my old desktop
Nov 11 '12 at 20:28, by sehe
Sweet Baby J....
I repurposed my **fanless** i7 4G media centre PC to be my temporary workstation. LOL. This baby builds boost in ~2 minutes
 
ah
 
At work I temporarily have a 16-core (16 physical cores) machine at my disposal. I can ssh to it and build my code there. It's quite fast.
 
@StackedCrooked It better be. Dual Xeons?
 
Just silly automake makes it slower because it doesn't parallellize across directories.
 
What do you guys think of this edit: stackoverflow.com/posts/7793508/revisions
> SGI STL is not the standard library
 
8:55 PM
@sehe I didn't think it was Xeon. But could be. (I thought it was i7 actually.)
 
But 16 core implies dual socket, those come exclusively in server boards, AFAIK
 
It is dual socket.
It's a server as well.
And it makes noise like hell.
 
It may replace the usual radiator quite well.
 
Also contains a very expensive graphics card which is used for GPU-based packet filtering. It has a 10G network card as well.
 
Whoa. What do you guys need that for
 
8:57 PM
@StackedCrooked Is it one of those uh... tesla cards?
 
Our network traffic generation software needs to keep up with latest tech :)
@Borgleader It's nvidea, don't know the model actually. Network card is Napatech.
 
Ell
yah
 
and theyre made for performance computing so thats why i was asking
 
Ell
I was looking at those the other day
 
8:59 PM
lol, I don't know that much. I am not involved in the gpu part of the software.
 
too bad you cant get the system specs through ssh xD
 
I can just ask. Or look at the boxes laying around.
But it's weekend now :)
 
@Borgleader Why not? lspci, lshw, lsusb, cat /proc/cpuinfo, vmstat, etc.
 
@StackedCrooked that's why I mentionned ssh ;)
@sehe I don't use linux you silly bear :P
 
grep in /var/log/{kernel.log,Xorg.0.log}
@Borgleader you don't
 
9:05 PM
I also assumed he didn't
 
Why
 
corporate environment?
 
Huh
 
statistically probable to be windows
 
Where's logic gone? Is it friday?
4
 
9:05 PM
@Borgleader I don't have access right now.
 
@Borgleader Not on a 16core server for GPGPU purposes. Not at all
 
doesnt windows have a server edition?
 
Statistics, remember; your idea
 
oh right, linux server is more probable
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: No logic Friday. [c++] [c++11] [no-helpdesk]
 
9:06 PM
It's a gentoo server. The only visible graphics are console. (There's no graphics environment on the servers.)
 
you got me Spock <3
 
:)
 
Did disappeared from the tags?
 
@TonyTheLion Oh. That's the new appreciation. No stars, just hijack it as a topic. :)
@Morwenn It did. More specificly, I did, since I didn't know what it was for (and I temporarily added a strange tag)
 
@sehe Yep
:)
 
9:09 PM
@TonyTheLion <pout/>
 
Have a star, happy now?
 
@sehe Probably just to tell users to use coliru when they want to share their C++ code. ut whatever.
 
Updating Dust514, lets see what changed since I last played
 
so erm, are any other regulars here table top gamers?
 
Nah... anything less than 300 lines of errors can't really be considered "all hell breaks loose" for a C++ program with templates. :) — Mysticial 2 mins ago
^^ woah, I refresh and it's at +6 already.
 
9:11 PM
because these look awesome
 
@thecoshman I like those.
 
2 mins ago, by thecoshman
because these look awesome
 
@Morwenn better add the too :)
 
I think boost is done.
 
So. read again :)
 
9:16 PM
@sehe You're trying to be spiritual there.
 
No, I'm still pouting. Sulking too. My favourite boost library doesn't work on coliru because of... artificial limits :)
@Mysticial That's only gonna get worse now
 
Ow, hard.
 
@sehe oooh, your one of those organic hippies types :P
 
Okay guys, I'mma go sleep today. Seems like a good change of course :/
@ScottW Actually, I can do that too github.com/sehe/spirit-v2-json/blob/q16227680/test.cpp#L11 :) /cc @StackedCrooked
Night all!
 
Ell
Night :)
 
9:22 PM
@ScottW See this and this. Notice how @sbi reacts to both of them.
 
9:40 PM
I found a bug on Coliru; it hasn't implemented return type deduction for normal functions yet
 
@DeadMG @sehe
Hi all, I have downloaded Visual Studio 2012 Pro ISO and it installs except for the c++ core libraries. After looking at the log file, I found that it is because cab24.cab is corrupt. I REALLY don’t want to have to download the whole ISO again for one file. Could someone upload cab24.cab for me please? Its only 10MB
It’s located in [ISO ROOT]/packages/vc_librarycore/
 
^ Assuming I don't chuck that shit out the window as soon as it's done installing.
 
@ThePhD what do you mean?
dont you keep the ISO?
 
Hell nah.
 
@JABFreeware be a man, re-download whole iso
 
9:47 PM
@Abyx when my connection limits me to 5 gig a week?
otherwise I would
 
I am so bad at shooters :(
 
@JABFreeware well, sucks to be you
 
@Abyx com'on do you have the ISO or not?
 
probably I do have, but ya know, it's no fun in helping people
 
@Abyx I would reward you
 
9:50 PM
nah, you already do
 
@Abyx do what?
 
@JABFreeware do, uhm, reward
 
wow, slow night in office
 
@Abyx I did. Will you upload that file now?
 
nooope
 
9:51 PM
I know some people are not man enough to handle a slight unconvience
 
@JABFreeware move on before you hurt your self
 
@thecoshman I dont get hurt
 
@JABFreeware then just move on
 
@thecoshman Yeah idiots I will.
 
@JABFreeware thank you; come again
 
@thecoshman No thanks. I question someones programming ability when they can't navigate a directory to a cab file.
everyone has the strengths I guess
to each their own
 
@EtiennedeMartel they are racist's, but we can't just not allow people to be racists. A few fellow racists will vote for them, but never enough to do anything. They are akin to BNP
@JABFreeware thank you; come again
 
@thecoshman yep
idiots out
 
@JABFreeware thanks you; come again
 
@JABFreeware Who the fuck are you?
4
 
9:55 PM
ahaha
 
@EtiennedeMartel he's leaving
 
@JABFreeware I love how you assume that people store the ISO forever, despite the fact that you're only asking because you didn't.
 
Look, people.
In the newbie hints, there's this tidbit:
> And please, for the love of all that is nice and fluffy, don't act like we owe you something. You'll get flamed to death.
I didn't see any flaming.
You guys need to do better than that.
 
Well, like I told him, I chucked the ISO out the window ages ago.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Be careful of labelling people whose views differ from your own as "idiots" for only that reason. You're at risk of sounding bigoted.
 
9:58 PM
flaming and fighting adds a lot of noise to the transcript
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm highly intolerant of intolerant people.
 
If he can't understand that we don't keep crappy old ISOs around like digital packrats, that's his problem.
 
@JohanLarsson The Lounge is all about noise.
 
ok makes sense then I guess
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, at least you recognise your hypocrisy.
 
9:58 PM
@EtiennedeMartel All about that WUB WUB WUB SCRTCH SRCTCH SRTCH VRMMMMMMMMMMM WUB WUB WUB
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I fully embrace it.
I think it's what makes me human.
 
@EtiennedeMartel like wise, now fuck off :P
 

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