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8:08 AM
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8:18 AM
@LucDanton you didn't saved it from a downvote
 
8:31 AM
meh, I'm bored =\
 
hi
 
lo
 
You aren't making any sense. enums do are preprocessed, they are not any sort of array or constant structure that remains in the binaries. The enum elements don't have a memory address, they can't be changed at run time, and they are for all effects, preprocessed. — Havenard 1 hour ago
Someone is arguing that enums are part of the preprocessor.
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let him die
 
I wish we could downvote comments
 
8:37 AM
I wish we could downvote people
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yeah
like downvotes in profile, with comments. "-1, you sucker", "-1, just for fun"
 
user1357851
I wish rep can go negative
 
user1357851
imagine you have a rep of -2353
 
I had -2 or so once
 
user1357851
Oo screenshot?
 
8:43 AM
-2 You insulted my sock puppet.
 
@Xeo: Thank you for the reference. For the moment, I unaccepted the answer - hopefully somebody will clarify things
 
@AndyProwl You are correct, you cannot express the type of the result of an array new expression sometimes.
 
@LucDanton OK, so Johannes was right again - not that I doubted it, but this is really confusing me
So basically the question still stands: what is meant by an object's "properties" wrt 1.8/1, and what is meant by the fact that they are assigned when the object is "created"? Are there other cases similar to the one of new int[srand() %42]? How "statically-typed" c++ is? etc.
 
I don't think the inability to name the type makes the type system any less static. Also see: dependent typing.
 
Xeo
An x declared as int can't suddenly be a double, so eh.
"static typing" means that a variable always has the same type, from what I know
 
8:55 AM
'A type is another value' is a nice approach I think.
Dynamic vs static typing is one of those things born out of pragmatism I'd say, with no CS theoretical fundation. Something to consider with a grain of salt (esp. considering the huge flame wars it tends to generate).
 
The robot also gave a good insight yesterday - a language is statically typed not when the type is determined at compile-time, but when it is checked at compile-time. This leaves the door open to some more flexibility in the definition of "statically-typed language" - but again, I'm confused about it so I'd rather not provide any elaboration of my own
But thank you guys for helping
 
Xeo
The thing is, even if new int[rand()] creates an object of different array type every time, you can't tell - the information just isn't accessible to you.
 
@AndyProwl What's the difference?
 
@FredOverflow The difference (or at least the difference I perceive) is that a language can be statically typed even though the type of objects is determined at run-time, as long as you are able to guarantee that whatever the type is, the operations you are going to perform on it are well defined.
 
@Xeo huh? different array type?
 
9:08 AM
@AndyProwl Don't we have the same effect with subtype polymorphism already? Like, if you have a Base*, you don't know exactly what derived object is bound to it?
 
I don't see how it differs from p = (int*)alloca(n); for (...) new(p+i) int;
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow But you know the derived type at the point of creation (new Derived)
 
@Xeo There could be many different points of creation. You won't know until runtime. Same thing as the rand() array.
 
Xeo
But you still know all the types that could possibly be created.
 
I know this is a bit of a stretch, but think of two classes A and B, each of which has a member function called foo(). Now in a hypothetical new "statically-typed" language, you could have a type variant<A, B> c = ...; c.foo(). The type system makes sure that the call to foo() will be resolved - because the compiler can verify that both A and B have a member function with compatible signature - but you don't know what the type of the object is going to be until run-time.
 
Xeo
9:10 AM
With T[rand()], you don't.
 
@FredOverflow As @Xeo said
 
@AndyProwl There is no checking in the case of the result of a new array expression though.
 
@LucDanton That's true. I was mostly expanding on yesterday's robot's definition of "statically typed"
 
E.g. new int[rand()][4]
 
Xeo
9:11 AM
lol
 
But I admit I am confused
So my elaborations may be non-sense
 
Does anybody really care? Who is going to use the new "VLAs" in C++14?
 
@FredOverflow It is purely theoretical interest
 
You can consider the 'conceptual array of size unknown until runtime' -> 'pointer to first element thereof' conversion as a kind of type-erasure.
 
But it leaves the door open for new kinds of polymorphism IMO
 
9:13 AM
@LucDanton right
 
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Q: How to achieve dynamic polymorphism (run-time call dispatch) on unrelated types?

Andy ProwlGOAL: I would like to achieve type-safe dynamic polymorphism (i.e. run-time dispatch of a function call) on unrelated types - i.e. on types which do not have a common base class. It seems to me that this is achievable, or at least theoretically sound. I will try to define my problem more formall...

 
Not having all the type information you could have does not 'go against the grain' of static typing.
 
This is for instance interesting to me - new kind of polymorphism on unrelated classes
But it clashes a bit with the classical notion of "statically typed" language
However, it does not clash with the characterization of "statically-typed language" proposed by the robot
 
@AndyProwl What does 'new' mean here?
 
(Polymorphic lambdas will make it possible for this to become a design pattern though)
 
9:15 AM
@AndyProwl The template ship has launched by now.
 
@LucDanton Normally, you have either compile-time polymorphism (templates, syntax-based) or run-time polymorphism (inheritance, interface-based). The approach I outline in the linked question mixes both and gets the advantages of both
 
I disagree.
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl boost::variant and visitors! :D
 
@FredOverflow every beginner
 
@Xeo Yes, that's it. And you can easily extend that to devise a new type of polymorphism
I actually developed these ideas into a new langauge specification, but I am not good enough to write a compiler
@LucDanton Please bring on your objects, I'm honestly interested
 
Xeo
9:17 AM
@AndyProwl meh, isn't it still simple compile-time polymorphism?
 
It's not going to be new. It's going to have been (re)invented thirty times over, twice in each flavour of lisps.
 
Xeo
I mean, the visitor has to be able to deal with every type of the variant, even if some of them aren't ever used.
 
@LucDanton Oh, OK. I do not know Lisp, shame on me
 
Xeo
swallow{(which == Is && foo(get<Is>(*this)))...}; kind of deal
 
@AndyProwl It's a boring objection, but the only reason we don't have local templates is due to ABI/linkage issues -- it is not a language issue.
 
9:20 AM
Simulated hugging jackets: youtube.com/watch?v=jQD6cvlmKko
 
@Xeo Yes. But basically you can define a visitor with a template call operator that just invokes a function on the pointer it receives in input (assuming the variant<> holds pointers to different classes, of course)
 
@AndyProwl It's a CS joke, don't take it literally.
 
@LucDanton And that's where my knowledge ends. I do not know enough of low-level stuff, basically I began to study C++ seriously when I joined SO
 
hi to all
 
@AndyProwl I would not call that low-level, as it's not part observable from the language itself.
 
9:22 AM
@LucDanton OK, I mean compiler-related stuff. I am quite ignorant about that
ABIs etc
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Wait, what have local templates to do with ABI? Isn't everything about them contained to the function?
 
@AndyProwl I am not knowledgeable on the matter.
 
OK, need to get back to work now
But thank you guys for the discussion
 
@Xeo I'm going to go with 'no' on the latter -- but I don't know if or how local templates interact with the ABI specifically.
Keep in mind templates already do.
@Xeo Example: I throw an instance of a local template, or an instance of a local type with member templates.
You have to make that work somehow.
 
Xeo
Ah, curse you, exceptions!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What about it?
 
Xeo
9:52 AM
TIL: A Dictionary, which doesn't have a member .length, will just create that property on itself if you write a_dict.length.
FUCK YOU ADOBE
 
"Shorter syntax because of usage of "." instead of "->"."
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Q: Pros and Cons of usage of reference in case of PIMPL idiom

mem64kAs mentioned here you can use reference (d-reference) instead of pointer (d-pointer) in case of PIMPL idiom. I'm trying to understand if there are any serious issues with this implementation and what are the pro and cons. Pros: Shorter syntax because of usage of "." instead of "->". ... ...

lawl
 
@LuchianGrigore Yeah - like that's the driving imperative in all my code - shorter lines :)
Hmm, Xeo seems to be having a bad day. I guess it makes a change from PhD's shaders blowing up.
 
10:17 AM
Alright.
How do the Qt5 installers work on Windows?
 
Xeo
@MartinJames huh?
 
I might have a need to use Qt5 in both VS 2010 and VS 2012. Shall I install each into separate directory or will they coexist in the C:\Qt\Qt-5.0.2 directory?
 
Xeo
I don't have a bad day per-se, but I fucking hate Adobe by now
 
Hate fuck?
 
@Xeo I bet it uses std::map underneath :P
 
10:19 AM
@wilx Wait.. WOT? Qt installs to C:\ ?? Why does it do that?
 
@MartinJames: Likely because they do not want to have spaces in their path.
 
@wilx LOL!
 
@MartinJames A hallmark of crappy tools that cannot handle paths.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh gawd - I thought that @wilx was just making a funny :(
 
lol
No, I was dead serious. :)
 
10:28 AM
Sooo... the answer to 'How do the Qt5 installers work on Windows?' is 'very,very badly'.
 
Having all programs install to a directory named "Program Files" is unbelievably fucking ignorant
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes. A better name might be 'Executable files'.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit same goes for `c:\`
 
Ell
Why is it ignorant?
 
..or maybe 'Public executable files'
 
10:31 AM
@Ell Because sarcasm?
 
Ell
On Mac an Linux everything is scattered around :/
Oh sarcasm :P
 
@MartinJames "Programs"
 
Sarcasm apart, programs often need much more than a shared executable folder. They often need shared configurations, user-specific and instance-specific data.
 
@Ell Spaces are obviously going to cause problems, no matter how much you say "programs should abide by Windows's documented path rules"; the name "Program Files" is a kiddy "let's make it user-friendly" name for an internal identifier. It's prioritising something useless over something important. It's stupid.
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, not "sarcasm" at all.
 
10:34 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, or equivalent path as retrieved by shell calls.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's %programfiles%. Note the distinct lack of spaces.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Great, when you have a shell layer to translate that for you.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How is it "obviously" going to cause problems?
what kind of moron writes his programs so they can't accept spaces in filepaths
 
Ell
Also I don't understand why spaces cause issues
 
Never been an issue for me.
 
Ell
10:35 AM
Yeah exactly
 
@DeadMG Any fuckwit can tell that x% (where x is non-trivial) programs are going to fail to handle the space adequately. Sure, all programs should be written more robustly, but they're not going to be, so why not accept that and name your critical, core program directory accordingly?
i.e. Why give it this cuddly name — for no benefit at all — when you know it's going to cause problems in x% of cases?
 
@MartinJames On a few machines I have crappy tools that cause the creation of "C:\Program" that later breaks the boot process a bit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If your program uses that name, it is broken.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why should I require it?
 
10:37 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Require what? Windows?
 
Ell
I have never encountered space problems mysekf
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Name it "C:\Programs\" and you have a robust, non-error-prone directory name, having lost absolutely nothing to gain that.
 
Yes, requiring Windows to find Windows specific folders is too much.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes A WinAPI function when I want to make reference to a directory on my hard disk.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The folder has no fixed name.
 
10:37 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Program Files" is its retarded default name
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, the "directory to install programs on Windows".
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Arguably, some programs will have problems with any name.
 
It's just a silly decision with no pros
@DeadMG That's no reason to willfully add to those problems
 
Your program has no business using that name directly.
 
as far as I can tell, "compatibility" would be "8.3 filenames and foldernames".
 
10:38 AM
I just call that shell thingy, 'GetSpecialFolderPath', or whatever it is, with that funny 'CSIDL' constant. The paths come back, I use them. No problem.
 
not "Randomly strip out one specific character for no observable reason".
 
@MartinJames You're a good programmer. Many other people are not.
I'm being totally practical for a change; surprised you guys aren't enjoying it
 
Fuck people who care about people who use magic strings.
 
you've given no reason why x% of programs should fail to handle spaces
 
user1357851
This is so disturbing:
 
10:39 AM
If nothing else, you can't disagree that it's unlike Microsoft not to cater to the lowest common denominator. (see: document.someElementsId shortcut syntax in IE)
 
user1357851
 
I want cheese strings.
 
@DeadMG I did not say they should. I said they will and do.
 
right, but why?
 
@Telkitty fuck me someone needs a diet
 
user1357851
10:41 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not fat, just fluffy ... I hope
 
@DeadMG because people are morons? I don't know. Are you seriously asking me why some people can't program properly?
 
your entire argument is based on the predicate that Microsoft should have observed that space was going to be a problematic character in advance.
 
@Telkitty one on the left is unhealthily huge
@DeadMG More or less
@DeadMG But I'm not trying to make an "argument". I'm pointing out that I think it's retarded. That's all
 
that requires that there should have been some readily-observable reason why a path with a space in should be different to any other non-8.3. path
 
@DeadMG I disagree. Only the space character is non-8.3 in "Program Files" (and its length).
 
10:42 AM
I was just about to say
considering that "Program Files" is not short enough to be an 8.3 path
 
nobody had ever had to write quotation marks aroudn a path before. Suddenly, in some contexts, they did. Commandline arguments, for example. Since command line arguments were already tokenized by space (duh) then it should have been plainly obvious that this would cause extra pain and heartache
 
Brave New World.
 
then you put a space in a core Windows folder's name? (inb4 Robot: "default")
idiotic.
 
alright, now you're getting somewhere.
"Command line arguments are tokenized by space; therefore putting one in the filepath by default is dumb since it will lead to undesirable tokenization."
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah - I hope it's mass has been photoshopped too. It looks the size of Charlie - the lab. I had to push out of the fishpond a couple days ago :(
 
10:44 AM
well, what I'm saying hasn't changed. I guess now you're getting somewhere in understanding it ;)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, you just didn't actually say it before.
 
@DeadMG I'll try to dumb things down more for you next time :)
 
Yeah previously having a shell was not a given.
 
I still think it's perfectly fine. It's something that only has to be fixed once, and when you do, it's fixed for all paths, not just that special hardcoded one.
 
Might as well have called it "C:\This Is Where Your Programs Go", then
or "C:\P R O G R A M S H E R E\"
 
10:46 AM
OK, command-line arguments are one area where there is some slight pain of having to type in a couple extra characters if there are spaces. Not a huge deal..
 
neck stretching exercise (slightly NSFW)
 
To be honest, the fact that this is only a problem for programmers, and for dumb ones at that, takes away most of the sympathy I could have for such a view.
 
@MartinJames It's a huge deal when people fail to do that in their software, which you know they will
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, it's a problem for users, when the shitty software they inevitably install results in creating "C:\Program\" by accident, causing other shitty software to fail to load up.
You guys seem to be forgetting that programmers are not infallible and many will not write this logic correctly
 
@MartinJames Command-line arguments are just a dumb idea anyway.
 
@DeadMG I can get behind that
 
10:48 AM
they're an ancient hack with the worst semantics imaginable.
 
@DeadMG Command-line arguments are like injecting user input into SQL queries verbatim
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nope, I don't. But it's something you fix once, for all paths ever.
I am opposed to "let's make it easier to write stuff without learning about it first".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not me. The author of the shitty software that I want to run, who may have abanadoned the project 10 years ago.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am opposed to "let's willfully make it easier to break stuff, for the sole benefit of having a hippy directory name"
 
Ell
Command line arguments aren't default, how else do you run things in a CLI?
 
well, I think that once you permit spaces in non-8.3 paths then the developers are going to have to deal with it
 
10:50 AM
Live and let die.
 
program files or not
 
Ell
Dumb*
 
@Ell Your question is predicated based on the idea of having a CLI in the first place, which is just as dumb as CLIs themselves.
 
I will admit to having had one issue. Many of my apps can be run as multiple instances by adding a 'workDirectory=xxxx' to the command-line of the shortcuts that start them. One user had 'xx xx' and 'xx xy'. This caused disasters as both instances tried to store/load config to the same files :(
 
Xeo
10:51 AM
@DeadMG You suck.
 
I appreciate that GUIs are not perfect for every task
 
Ell
I don't think it is at all, people can be very productive in a CLI
 
but if you're going to go and make scripts, at least choose an actual scripting language like Python or something
 
@Ell When running a PS cmdlet you will be asked interactively for all mandatory arguments if you omit them.
@DeadMG WTF the difference ... where awhzta are you on about.
 
Ell
I don't think python is suited for a shell
 
10:52 AM
81
Q: Can I use Python as a bash replacement?

Chris JeffersonI currently do my textfile manipulation through a bunch of badly remembered awk, sed, bash and a tiny bit of Perl. I've seen mentioned a few places that python is good for this kind of thing, I know a little and I would like to know more. Is python a good choice for this, and is there a good boo...

 
Ell
I agree that I would like something better than bash
 
In case the point is not obvious: the Python REPL is a CLI.
 
Ell
Or different at least
 
@DeadMG True
I'm just saying you know many won't ;)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The answer to that question is "no" unless the default interface to a binary is exposing a Python module rather than requiring command-line arguments.
 
user1357851
10:54 AM
csh?
 
You can complain all you want that shell X has terrible syntax, but that says about -1 about the appropriateness of a CLI in general.
 
Ell
But I still want the use ability of being able to go type the name of an executable and have it be executed
I'm not complaining about CLI s, I agree with having CLI s
 
user1357851
I want to be able to use my brainwave to control the linux machine
 
user1357851
one day ...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's not about syntax, it's about the semantics.
 
10:55 AM
@DeadMG Which doesn't help your "CLI sucks use Python" idea.
 
CLIs are based on "Did you remember the ten trillion magic strings you need?"
and "Everything must be in it's entirety one massive fucking string".
 
(I am playing along and going with your CLI => bash/cmd/whatever CLI shell you know)
 
if you have Python, then you can pass dicts/tuples/complex types/etc
 
"BLAH BLAH I only know shells I don't like, and even then I don't know them"
 
Ell
Its still, a cli
 
10:57 AM
@DeadMG It's still a fucking CLI:
 
Ell
I can type "irb" and bam I have ruby! Interactive. But its still a cli
 
defining a Python repl and Bash as both CLIs is meaningless when virtually all of the problems with using Bash (as far as I'm aware) would be fixed by using Python and Python modules instead.
you might as well argue that we only ever need Brainfuck since it's all Turing-Complete anyway
 
Ell
Then use the python cli
 
@DeadMG WTF is a CLI then_
 
Ell
What you're saying is cmd.exe is bad, not clis. Just use interactive pythjon
 
11:00 AM
I don't very often use black boxes with text in them. My users certainly do not. Nevertheless, I find 'command-line arguments' in the shortcuts useful for specifying work folders, turning on debug stuff, that kind of thing.
 
Ell
Next time you have to use cmd.exe, spare yourself the pain and just use interactive python or whatever
Then come back and say that clis are bad ideas
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think that I would have to classify them as a system whereby binaries are treated as functions, and the arguments to these functions are restricted entirely to one string, and non-global output is equally restricted to one string.
 
Ell
That is an incorrect definition
 
Oh well then... PS is not a CLI. Well done.
 
I've never used PS so I couldn't really comment
 
11:02 AM
lol
 
"If I define X to have all these bad features, X sucks"
 
And by that I mean
lol
 
(And your definition excludes bash too, it just does not exclude what your think is bash; PS is just more glaringly obvious)
 
Ell
A command line interface is an interface whereby commands are typed into a line then executed as opposed to chosen graphically from a menu then executed
Bash has functions :P
 
@Ell And all languages are Turing-Complete.
 
user1357851
11:04 AM
What is a better quality for a woman: being shy or being daring?
 
Ell
I don't see how that can be used as an argument
 
OOooooh wait.
Your definition also excludes cmd.exe.
 
Nov 6 '12 at 12:47, by Luc Danton
@jalf I call this DeadMGing.
 
6 mins ago, by DeadMG
you might as well argue that we only ever need Brainfuck since it's all Turing-Complete anyway
 
So yeah, good job there.
 
Ell
11:06 AM
I still don't understand how the Turing complete thing works, I haven't said we should only use CLI s
 
classifying every textual scripting system as a CLI might be technically accurate, but it's also utterly unhelpful, since we're looking to make a distinction.
 
The only thing I can remember using cmd.exe for, in the last year, is 'ipconfig/renew' and 'ipconfig/flushdns'. Now I've changed ISP's, I don't even have to do that.
 
just like classifying every language as TC is also technically accurate, but utterly unhelpful, since just being TC does not qualify for being a good or useful language.
 
@DeadMG Your definition is utterly unhelpful, because it either defines an empty set, or a set of tools no one uses or even knows about.
 
Ell
I'm not saying every scripting system is a CLI, but a lot of languages have a CLI in the form of an interactive version
 
11:08 AM
So I do prefer a technically accurate definition to one that defines nothing.
 
@DeadMG Rather than try to fit the reality to your rant, why not adjust your rant to the reality: if you don't like some tools for their flaws, name them and list their flaws. (Actually don't do that because everybody already knows.) Don't keep a hang-up on just the term 'CLI'.
 
Call me crazy. Maybr I played too much CoC and now my SAN is too low.
 
Ell
And I don't find that unhelpful, I think if you want to use python instead of shell then you can do
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh that's more concise.
 
well
 
Ell
11:08 AM
A lot of people find bash adequate though
 
firstly, I would suggest that if the user can't find the feature, it doesn't exist.
but secondly, if you wish to argue that bash and cmd don't fit that then feel free to point out how this is so that I can do better.
 
I don't know, last time we told you to man up you seemingly disregarded the advice.
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you're all such nerds
have a beer
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Can't. My beer fridge is empty again and the nearest pubs are closed at the moment. I suppose I'll have to go down to Tesco and stock up.
 
Ell
Can elements in a vector be move constructed when it is resized? If not, why not?
 
11:18 AM
@Ell The usual reason for a "not" surprise is failure to specify the move constructor as nothrow.
 
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Q: How to enforce move semantics when a vector grows?

Bertwim van BeestI have a std::vector of objects of a certain class A. The class is non-trivial and has copy constructors and move constructors defined. std::vector<A> myvec; If I fill-up the vector with A objects (using e.g. myvec.push_back(a)), the vector will grow in size, using the copy constructor A( co...

 
In fact, it's time for another rant upgrade. Windows cmd.exe sucks, and last time I went to Tesco, they had no beer, just boxes of Stella, Coors and Bud :(
 
@MartinJames :(
@MartinJames haha
I don't mind bottled Bud actually. does the job during the day
then a couple of doom bars once out, followed by an evening of mixed vodka :)
 
Ell
@deadmg so if the move ctor Is specified as nothrow it will work?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I want Bombardier, Directors or Timothy Taylors.
 
Ell
11:20 AM
Magners/Bulmers <3
 
I drink Doom Bar on draught, but can't find it in cans, locally :(
 
Out of interest, how does the impl "know" whether the value_type's move ctor is noexcept? Perhaps the language restricts the function call candidate set when the calling scope is also a noexcept function? — Lightness Races in Orbit 29 secs ago
@MartinJames Bombardier will do.
 
In fact, I had ~8 pints of it last night, after spider patrol. Then a turbo-curry. I might have no beer in, bit I have plenty loo roll :)
 
@MartinJames Why the fuck would you drink Doom Bar from a fucking can
 
user1357851
17 mins ago, by Telkitty
What is a better quality for a woman: being shy or being daring?
 
user1357851
11:22 AM
I guess it depends on the person ... still be interesting to know
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit std::move_if_noexcept comes to mind.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In my office. It's only 4% - I can still type after a couple pints.
 
@MartinJames Myself I've never had a poo problem post-curry. I think perhaps the majority of the UK that enjoys Indian food also happens — non-causally — to suffer from diarrhea.
 
But I'm not sure what implementation we're talking about.
 
@MartinJames But it's sacrilegious
 
11:23 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not in my case. It's definitely curry-localized.
 
user1357851
drinking != !b_isNerd
 
user1357851
not being a nerd involves discussing no nerdy topics
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm not saying that draught pints of Doom bar are not hugely preferable!
 
Real ale from a can. *shakes head* It's not acceptable.
 
user1357851
nerds drink, to be dissociated with being a nerd, one shall look at topics such as food, fashion and ... feminism
 
11:25 AM
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit If the boozers are shut, it's cans or no beer at all...
 
@MartinJames Decent boozers open at midday :D
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Q: Port forwarding on 1 computer

user2269996I need forward data only on my computer (OS Windows 7 ) for outgoing and incoming requests from port 80 to port 8178. My local ip - 192.168.0.101. For this I decided use netsh. My proxy is listen all network interfaces on my machine on port 8178. My commands: I try - netsh interface portproxy a...

 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm 2K from the nearest pubs. I either walk in the marvellous UK weather, or restrict myself to two pints. So cans an essential standby.
 
@MartinJames You have planned your abode poorly.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Indeed. Apart from the dearth of pubs, the net speed is not great, either.
 
11:30 AM
Es regnet.
At least it's not more of the damn snow.
 
Fuck, cunt etc. I'm not bothered about, but I'm tempted to flag 'snow'.
 
user1357851
victoria's secret fashion shows are the best
 
Possibly contentious, I know, but couldn't EU just give Greece and Cyprus to Turkey, with a promise of full membership once they're sorted?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ouch
 
Contentious? No, surely not :)
 
11:33 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes (The answer, for those wondering, is "no".)
 
The world needs another war?
 
user1357851
yes, please let the war stay in the northern hemisphere if there is one about to take place
 
Oh, I'm not opening that. I'm up to two rants already today and I'll start to become boring and/or objectionable.
 
11:36 AM
@MartinJames You should open it.
 
user1357851
I like victoria's angels , they are so much fun:
 
Personal empirical evidence suggests that homeopathy should not be discarded entirely, but I'm not about to attempt injecting that into any (a) argument, or (b) scientific record.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit OK, I opened it :)
 
Same here
 
As a consequence, I shall neither "Share" nor rant about that website.
 
11:38 AM
I just like their disclaimer.
 
@Telkitty Never been to victoria's secret show. We had an Ann Summers party at the pub, once.
 
Sounds kinky.
 
It ws more fun that arguing with homeopaths/greens/sundryNutters. Also, didn't feel the need to kill anyone afterwards.
 
@MartinJames They're generally only for girls. Are you a girl?
 
11:41 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nope. I was with girls, though. There was beer.
 
user1357851
@MartinJames There are many such videos on youtube
 
Some of the outfits look good, as long as I mentally block out the wings/flowers etc.
 
Are any of you here at ACCU?
I just saw the ape tweeting about it, so I assume he's here
 
@MartinJames That shouldn't be too hard.
@je4d Yes, he is.
Wow, initializing a zbuffer is a bottleneck in rendering your frames! I am impressed. — R. Martinho Fernandes 5 secs ago
 
I'm almost tempted to go to Bristol for couple days. Aparrently, you can just turn up if some meeting takes your fancy, (but not vote).
 
Ell
11:54 AM
Why do moves need to be no throw?
 
user1357851
uncertain address of the object? ... wild guess most likely totally wrong
 
They don't need to, but they need to.
 
lal
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Forgive my almost total ignorance, but do you have to initialize a zbuffer? Are you not going to load it with stuff anyway?
 
@Ell What is the state of the moved from and moved to objects if a move throws?
@MartinJames No freaking idea.
@MartinJames But I doubt initializing it correctly will have a severe cost.
 
11:58 AM
@MartinJames you use it to determine which fragments to discard, so its initial value is fairly significant. :)
 
@MartinJames yeah, registration is free
 
@jalf OK! My knowledge in this area is err.. 'less than complete' :)
 
foreach(pixel) { do we already have a pixel in the zbuffer that is closer to the camera? If yes, discard pixel; else update zbuffer and use pixel}
 

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