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user1357851
12:00 PM
or were you prepetually frustrated?
 
You're working on it
 
I want a vacation now. Gazpacho soup, fried potatoes, tuna salad, the arrival of the Super Bock tanker.
 
I can do arithmetic even on the edge of a nervous breakdown. I can't guarantee correctness though.
 
user142019
New country new crisps.
 
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Wonderful.
 
user142019
12:09 PM
Doritos BBQ y u no Netherlands.
 
@Zoidberg Where are you?
 
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Well, I hope you're not literally in Alicante, or does it have more than the airport?
 
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I am in Alicante.
 
@Zoidberg in Spain?
 
user142019
12:12 PM
 
what, did your shit fall off the plane or something?
 
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I didn't go to the toilet in the plane.
 
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But I hope they don't drop the toilet contents from it.
 
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Like they do in trains.
 
@Zoidberg They do drop it.
:P
 
user142019
12:14 PM
@GamesBrainiac no of course not you idiot.
 
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Imagine somebody is walking on the ground under the plane.
 
@Zoidberg Lol...what a naive little kid.
 
@Zoidberg Be a bit of a shitty surprise.
 
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lol
 
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Or in your chimney.
 
user142019
12:15 PM
Burning shit.
 
apparently it's really quite a good heat source once it's been dried
 
@GamesBrainiac they store it in a tank that gets emptied when they land. Sorry to burst your bubble. I know the alternative is a lot more interesting to think about. :)
 
@Zoidberg Smoked shit. Someone might mistake it for sausages.
@jalf We all know this. I just like pissing zoid off.
 
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I’m never pissed off.
 
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(Unless I have to use inferior software or have to work with noobs.)
 
12:17 PM
@Zoidberg So you claim.
 
@Zoidberg or have to work with software made by inferior noobs
 
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@jalf even worse!
 
@jalf Brrr...
 
Hey @Xeo, are there any more verbs with Präteritum conjugations is it only haben and sein?
 
@jalf Ever had that experience @ work?
 
Xeo
12:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Huh?
 
I don't know any other way to phrase that :|
 
Xeo
You mean like "sein" -> "Ich bin" -> "Du bist", aka irregular?
 
No. That's Präsens. I mean ich war, du warst, er wart, ... ich hatte, ...
 
@Xeo You're teaching the guy German?
 
user1357851
never heard of senior software engineers? That's the title for the people who professionally coaching newbs
 
Xeo
12:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Eh, right.
 
@GamesBrainiac No. I'm learning German, and he is German.
@Xeo So, are there any other verbs with that, or do you always use the Perfekt (ich habe gesprochen, ich bin gegangen, etc)?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I don't quite understand... do you mean auxilliary verbs?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no
 
No. I mean a past tense without auxiliary verbs.
 
only "haben" and "sein" IIRC
 
12:27 PM
Some wikipeding suggests yes, more verbs have it.
Damn.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes : I just wanted to be of some help. Use this book, amazon.com/Schaums-Outline-German-Grammar-4ed/dp/0071615679
 
Xeo
Oh, sure, "rennen" -> "Ich rannte" -> "Du ranntest" etc
 
Its the best damn book for learning the rules of German
 
12:28 PM
We are oficially German++
:P
 
user142019
Nein.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes : There are numerous examples to get you acquantied with the rules, so you'll have no problems learning it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes : I find that when getting yourself acquainted with the grammar of a language, examples are what make the best tools for clearing any misconceptions.
 
Thanks anyway, but I think have enough books for now :)
 
Needs MOAR JPEG
 
@sehe Hiya sehe! :D
 
user142019
12:39 PM
I always had trouble with vocabulary rather than grammar.
 
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Grammar is teh eazy.
 
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Vocabulary requires :effort:.
 
Hey, say I wanted to learn more about Qt and how to program using Qt and C++. But I'm not a complete beginner. I've dabbled so to speak, with pretty much everything: C++ (gloox, Qt), C# (.NET with WPF mostly), Java (Swing and various API), Python (web2py, django and various other libs), Lua... and other scripting languages.
Mostly small projects. Regarding C++ and C for that matter, I'm not entirely stupid not to know what pointers are, or what the differences are between pass by value, reference or pointer are. Yet, I haven't tried to learn C++ all that much because it's a bit more complex and the language is much more sensitive to bad practice.
So, my question is...
Which book should I start reading
So I can get up to speed with Qt and C++ faster
 
Wall of text :0
 
I don't want to waste my time reading a complete beginner's guide either
I know
I'm at work, procrastinating while I can
And my time is limited :P
 
user142019
12:41 PM
Use Nu and AppKit instead of C++ and Qt.
 
Too subjective
I'm not ignorant
And I don't use Apple
 
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IMO Lisps are very readable.
 
2156
Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkThis question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are released every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a good C++ book...

 
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Not at all writable, but very readable.
 
Really great TedTalk : ted.com/talks/…
 
12:43 PM
I looked at Obj-C a bit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I've seen this quoted over a billion times! :P
 
I liked it
But I don't see the benefit
 
@Paul-SebastianManole What a horrible language
 
@GamesBrainiac Which one are you talking about?!
 
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Objective-C is fine IMO.
 
12:44 PM
@Paul-SebastianManole Obj-C. Its just plain horrible.
 
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If you follow conventions, at least. But that's the same with C++ and whatever other language.
 
@Zoidberg Sure, I like it too. From what I gather, lots of good concepts came out of Smalltalk.
But I don't have a practical use for Obj-C.
 
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Object model is very similar to Ruby’s.
 
I don't look at the downsides of one language compared to another.
I look at the upsides.
And compare those instead.
 
I look at the east sides.
 
user142019
12:48 PM
But really comparing Objective-C to C++ is like comparing Ruby to C.
 
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Completely different mindsets.
 
Comparing apples to orangutans.
 
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Comparing Apple's to Bjarne's.
 
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In Objective-C you do as most as possible at runtime and in C++ you do as most as possible at compile-time.
 
user142019
12:50 PM
And Objective-C is dynamically typed (except for the C subset yes).
 
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Usually with compile-time checking but that merely raises warnings, not errors.
 
You heard I wasn't really versed in the lower level languages but wanted to learn c++ so you all recommended Objective-C thinking I would probably be better off with that. :)
I would listen to you, you would have eventually ruined my dreams.
*if I
 
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Prefer C++ over Objective-C unless you write a GUI program specific to OS X or iOS (in which case, use Objective-C++ anyway).
 
Sorry for my bad english, hope my tenses are ok :P
 
If you are going to learn C++, I would suggest that you understand the language philosophy and get either Visual Studio 2012 or Appcode to start.
 
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12:53 PM
No not Visual Studio.
 
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Its C++ support is terrible at best.
 
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Use clang or GCC really.
 
@Zoidberg : Oh yes. VS2012 is the best for beginners, it helps you with a lot of things.
 
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Clang lacks only inheriting ctors.
 
Visual Studio is the worst way to learn C++ imho
 
user142019
12:54 PM
MSVC lacks like half of features.
 
I learned C++ with VS, therefore it must be fine
 
...
 
@DeadMG Finally! :D
 
Eh, come on. As long as you use a recent version of a major compiler, who gives a fuck?
 
I learnt it with Eclipse. It was a horrible experience.
 
user142019
12:55 PM
@GamesBrainiac RAII > finally.
 
@jalf True.
 
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Really, finally is fucking terrible.
 
Latest MS compilers are good I read (subjective)
 
A lot of people I know that learned C++ with it can't distinguish between standard C++ stuff and Microsoft Windows stuff.
 
@Paul-SebastianManole They are.
 
user142019
12:55 PM
using > finally
 
@Zoidberg using is finally.
 
I learned C++ with your mom and I'm fine.
 
And VS is great whatever anyone says. Every other IDE does comparisons to it.
 
"What, you don't have #include "stdafx.h" in your code ?"
 
@ereOn a lot of people can't distinguish standard C++ stuff from the GCC extensions either. Variable length arrays enabled by default, anyone? ;)
 
user142019
12:55 PM
@DeadMG except it's actually nice syntax.
 
And I use QtCreator ATM
 
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Aaand
 
@Zoidberg Syntax is irrelevant.
 
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it's not.
 
@ereOn ugh, yeah, that's just an abomination. Yuck
 
12:55 PM
Sublime Text otherwise
 
@ereOn That's from bad learning materials.
 
Even KDevelop
 
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using calls Dispose implicitly.
 
IDEs don't matter to me
 
@jalf True.
 
12:56 PM
@Paul-SebastianManole You're such a veteran :)
 
@Zoidberg Not when you have to explicitly write using.
 
@Paul-SebastianManole They do actually. Especially when you get yourself into generic coding.
 
there's nothing more implicit about using(...) than try { } finally { dispose(); }.
 
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Fewer words = good.
 
@Zoidberg I agree. This is why python is the best.
 
12:57 PM
on the scale of how bad using and finally are, they're a triviality.
 
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@GamesBrainiac s/python/Haskell/
 
But not enough words is the cause for sentences that are
 
@Zoidberg I guess we can atlaest agree on something. I think Python is better than everything. It just is. You can do anything with it.
 
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What the fuck.
 
except decent deterministic destruction
 
user142019
12:58 PM
You can also do anything with C++ and you can also do anything with Haskell.
 
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So that's no argument.
 
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In fact
 
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you can do more with Haskell and C++ than you can do with Python.
 
Well, look at this...
 
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't code a kernel module in Python.
 
user142019
12:59 PM
For example, you can invoke UB in C++ and Haskell.
 
Actually I definitely wouldn't code a kernel module at all.
 
@Zoidberg yay!
 
@Zoidberg I didn't realize that Haskell had UB.
 
Does this room have a log I can read later?
 
@ereOn No one told you to code a kernel module in Python. You would use C for that anyways, not even C++.
 
user142019
12:59 PM
@DeadMG I don't know if it's strictly called UB, but it's the same idea.
 
@DeadMG unsafePerformIO and friends.
 
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Dereferencing null pointer comes to mind.
 
/me is off
 
@Paul-SebastianManole Yea! :P
 
@GamesBrainiac You don't know that. Perhaps somebody told me this morning. You can't be sure of that.
 
user142019
1:00 PM
unsafeCoerce
 
@ereOn C++ is actually inefficient for Kernels as far as I know. You would have to use plain old C.
 
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alloca and using the pointer after returning.
 
@ereOn Go code a kernel module in Python.
 
@Zoidberg Oh, ewww, that's so horrible I had completely forgotten about it.
 
@DeadMG No thanks. I'll have coffee instead.
 
user142019
1:01 PM
@DeadMG Python code a kernel module in Go.
 
fuck that shit
the only coding of anything I'll be doing today is coding Wide in C++
I need to figure out how to separate my analyzer and code generator.
 
I don't remember who was asking here about C++ User Groups in the UK recently, but...
And some news about the C++ UG London soon! First meeting will be in March!
This may be of interest.
 
I could attend that
 
Hmmm
I would go if I wasn't in so much pain
 
I wonder why there is never anything like that close to me.
The only thing I can attend is stupid Java workshops
 
1:04 PM
what country are you in?
oh France
 
France, but by "close to me" I mean, near Strasbourg
 
@ereOn Because you never move to those places!
 
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ghci> poke nullPtr 42
zsh: segmentation fault ghci
 
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:3
 
lol
you can poke shit in GHCi
it's not FB in disquise is it?
 
user142019
1:05 PM
poke is like *p =.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah perhaps. Aren't such events a bit expensive ?
Last time I was proposed to attend a C++ event, it was something like 350€ for 2 days.
 
@ereOn User Group meetings? No, those things are usually free.
 
Okay, that's good.
 
They are organized by volunteers and shit.
 
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@TonyTheLion inb4 car —> dead
 
Is Cadre gonna make it?
 
who is Cadre?
 
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Yo momma.
 
@StackedCrooked lol
 
1:11 PM
The Cadre is a DC Comics supervillain group, except for members of the Cadre of the Immortal, most of whom were redeemed and became heroes by story's end. They first appear in Justice League of America #235 February (1985), and were created by Gerry Conway and Chuck Patton. Fictional history A cosmic alien villain known as the Overmaster began to test humanity's fitness to inhabit Earth. He had summoned a bunch of villains to him and gave them superpowers, and the villains became the Cadre. The Cadre has fought the Justice League on different occasions and has been through many incarnatio...
this?
 
@TonyTheLion It's a stupid proposal by a moron.
 
meh
oh lol
 
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Linky?
 
@StackedCrooked And even the other morons on isocpp can see that.
 
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lol
 
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RAII was a bad acronym.
 
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Deal With It
^ look how much space I save.
 
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-1 not enough ponies.
 
1:16 PM
ALL THE PIXELS
 
guys, how does the std::function<double(double, int, bool)> template argument syntax work? I mean the list of parameters seems simple, but how does the returnType(...) stuff work?
 
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Imagine onebox didn't scale down lol.
 
@melak47 What do you mean "work"?
 
@Zoidberg lol
 
You give it the return type and that's it.
 
1:17 PM
@melak47 It's a function type- kinda like a function pointer, but without the pointer.
 
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@melak47 specialization.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, how do the paranthesis in the template argument..do stuff
 
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template<class>
class function; /* undefined */
template<class R, class... Args>
class function<R(Args...)> { … }
 
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IMO function pointer syntax should be int(int, double)* myfunctionpointer;.
 
1:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, so that's a thing.
 
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inb4 alias<int(int, double)>*. :P
 
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(If that works.)
 
of course it does
 
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I should learn C++.
 
^
me too
class MyClass
{
public:
    MyClass() {
        memset(this, 0, sizeof(*this));
    }
    ~MyClass() {}
    std::vector<int>& GetData() { return m_data; }
    float            m_range;
private:
    std::vector<int> m_data;

};
erm
memset on *this ?
what THE FUCK?
 
user142019
1:23 PM
Eww.
 
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Also
 
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Q: memset causes "vector iterators incompatible" error

user2050353Currently working on my DirectX game and using memset(0) (or ZeroMemory macro in VS if you wish) in constant buffers constructors to initialize all values with zeros and it works just fine. Problem occurs when I accidentally tried to initialize some other stuct that contains a vector this way. Ac...

from here ^
 
user142019
std::vector is not trivially copyable is it?
 
@Zoidberg and it's not POD either
 
Xeo
It also has no trivial anything
 
1:24 PM
@TonyTheLion It's your code?
 
@sehe no, code from question posted just under
 
user142019
@Xeo it's trivial to use compared to new[]. :P
 
Xeo
@Zoidberg As you can see from the question, apparently it's not. :P
Also, dat quasi-class -> GetData()
 
See the guy wanted to avoid having to initialize to 0 all the members of his class one by one and came up with this. Wow.
 
1:27 PM
'Horse meatballs' now. Eewww! telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/9892276/…
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes @DeadMG where is this function type / signature thing coming from, or what is it called?
 
it's a type.
and it comes from the grammar he used to express it
 
@melak47 It's just a function type. The same way int[10] is an array type.
 
I've just never seen it used without std::function. but then I haven't seen that much code :p
 
It's not very useful because there are no objects of those types.
 
1:37 PM
the data my code works on is wrong, IMPOSSIBRU
why do noobs tag an perl question with the C tag
I mean, NOOBS Y U DUMB?
 
@Zoidberg but you can't :). Just look into your standard library header files. — Maxim Yegorushkin 14 mins ago
You can't not use memset, look just look at the internal implementation of the most special library in the entire ecosystem
Also, I have a HPC course
Choices: MPI with C or RMI with Java :suicide:
I even got the emoticon code wrong
 
RMI? Is that like CORBA?
 
Oh no I didn't
I have no idea
 
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COPRA
 
> Usage of the term RMI may denote solely the programming interface or may signify both the API and JRMP, whereas the term RMI-IIOP (read: RMI over IIOP) denotes the RMI interface delegating most of the functionality to the supporting CORBA implementation.
So many acronyms so little meaning
 
1:49 PM
the fuck
@CatPlusPlus why do you know all this?
 
Because I made terrible choices in life
 
@CatPlusPlus :)
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah, so it's CORBA after all.
hahaa
 
Object Management Group (OMG)
ZOMG
 
1:52 PM
zOMG
 
I thought CORBA was a programming language, I fail :(
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
I feel sleepy
 
Try not sleeping for like a whole night
 
> CORBA is a mechanism in software for normalizing the method-call semantics between application objects residing either in the same address space (application) or remote address space (same host, or remote host on a network).
oh
@CatPlusPlus I've done that, it's horrifying
that's why I don't do it anymore, because the next day is just completely wasted
and the day after that is even worse
so fuck it
 
@TonyTheLion CORBA was a nice idea, but totally done wrong
 
@BartekBanachewicz how surprising? Isn't that just about everything in this field
nice idea - implementation is completely screwed up
 
1:54 PM
@TonyTheLion ICE library is OK
 
What is that?
 
it's something made by CORBA guys, but without stupid consortiums
it's common networking object model for Python, JVM, C++ and whatnot
Interfaces are written in their "slice" language, language is a bit too big term though
and tools generate interfaces from Slice to your language of choice, so you can just implement
besides, they complement it with many tools
I've done a thorough research about it for ADVA; it's legit stuff
If you aren't determined to bash the whole idea, obviously
 
very important question!
 
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Hmm.
 

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