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7:05 AM
@Mysticial Whats your 2600K rig?
 
@GamesBrainiac Sandy Bridge rig 2600K OC'ed to 4.2 GHz.
It's gone now.
Either the CPU or the mobo is dead. (most likely the mobo)
Looks like the memory and the video cards survived.
I've moved those over to the AMD rig.
 
how did you afford that man?
I mean thats fucking expensive
 
And I'm gonna have an email to send to my parents.
@GamesBrainiac It's not that expensive. The entire 2600K rig was under $1000 USD at the time.
But that includes everything.
The mobo + CPU was probably only $500.
 
Oh, I see.
 
Now (even if I didn't burn it) it's worth a lot less anyway.
There's also 9 HDs in it which, aside from the boot drive, will be transferred to a new Haswell build which I'm now forced to do probably in another week or so.
I wanted to wait until the Haswell E-series to build a 64GB ram rig... But seeing as how things turned to sour in one night...
Tonight's monetary loss is one thing. But the fact that I lose my most important test machine as well as completely throwing off my workflow is gonna be painful.
That SB rig was one of only two machines I have that are capable of doing large scale disk tests.
This definitely falls as one of my most costliest computer mistakes. Hope it'll never happen again.
 
7:24 AM
@Mysticial 64 gigs of ram
goddam
dayym
 
@GamesBrainiac My second costliest mistake was 4 years ago when I built a 64GB ram machine.
That had to do with the motherboard not really supporting the processor despite the manufacturer saying so.
But that one only cost me $550 USD + endless RMA shipping costs. It was mostly time that frustration.
 
@Mysticial Wait till you have a lab mishap :/ Sounds painful indeed
 
@sehe Yeah...
 
@GamesBrainiac Thing is, that's probably $180 these days, but more likely $500 when he purchased it
 
Sandy Bridge is old now. I'm not going to repair that machine. But I still maintain Sandy Bridge optimized code.
 
7:27 AM
And not unlikely ECC RAM too
 
Which is gonna be a problem without that machine.
@sehe It was actually a lot more back in 2008.
64GB of FB-DIMM ECC.
16 x 4GB
About 3k USD at the time.
Server memory.
 
@Mysticial cough
 
ah, so that is what you mean by "having good financial sense".
You just meant: having enough money in the first place
@Mysticial Famous last words :(
@Mysticial I never looked at ECC pricing, also, I didn't know it was that long ago
 
@sehe yeah... Didn't realize that would be the last thing from that machine.
 
Well, don't beat yourself up. Accidents happen. And when you 'have it assembled' you're paying the premium every time, even if nothing does go wrong. It's a bet (assuming you're not just overly clumsy on average)
 
7:34 AM
I hope Haswell with AVX2 disabled has similar performance characteristics as Sandy Bridge. Because I'm no longer able to tune for Sandy Bridge anymore. Good thing I ran a tuning run yesterday so I have fresh data.
@sehe I'm usually very careful with hardware. But I got a little impatient today.
 
I mean, I'm pretty darn clumsy. But I have built/refurbished a good number of PCs. And yeah, I did break some case elements (when not knowing to dismount/disassemble without documentation, mostly) and have even 'mounted' things with duct tape on one occasion, but I never lost big money.
 
It also didn't help that I don't particularly value these "low-end" computers as much as I should.
 
@Mysticial It comes with experience: me too, I don't aways care to "ground" myself or replace a sweater with something cotton before handling computer parts...
@Mysticial That's gonna be fixed for a while now :)
 
@sehe Yes it will.
 
lol - subtle.
(and people complain you don't respond to general chat traffic. we're just not paying attention)
LOL. This is well-blended spam on the [spirit-general] mailing list:
> Hey guys, I am a spirit user for years. When I working for NOKIA, I created my parser to do static analyze for leaks on Symbian, of cause my parser is gone with Symbian.
I still develop android games in my spare time. I created my home-brew game engine to do. I will add script function to my engine, and of cause the parser will be Spirit !!!
When you are tired of paring, why not playing my game for a while and then go on your parse ?
I released my new game on google play, you can have a try there:
Yolo
Hell
Jack
Alice
(Actually, ok too)
Bandersnatch
(I was anticipating "Bob" or "Who the fuck is Alice")
 
7:49 AM
Just got Visual Studio to run and compile something on the new rig.
 
That means it must be broken. Because MSVC isn't generally known to compile stuff very well
 
Going back to the hardware stuff.
I have 32GB of ram that doesn't work on my AMD rig. (Supposed to work on Intel.)
And every other part of the dead Sandy Bridge rig still works.
Including case and everything.
You know what that means...
But I'll need to pay off my credit card balance first.
 
@sbi OK. Thanks for the expose. Now I understand better what people may be talking about when they drop the word embedded ;-)
 
@Mysticial mobo dough
 
@sehe Or rather, new CPU (Haswell), and a new mobo.
 
7:59 AM
@Mysticial damn, I didn't get the news that the CPU had beliied-up
@Mysticial depending on what you were (planning on) actively using it for, you might try (crowd)funding it
 
I'm not even 100% sure that the CPU is still working. And even if it is, it's not worth salvaging.
If I can grab a working Sandy Bridge motherboard somewhere I can check if the CPU still works. But that CPU has degraded significantly since I first got it. And I only run it with a mild overclock now that pales in comparison to what it used to be able to do.
*ran it. It (and/or mobo) is dead now.
 
@M.M. Hence why I didn't say it was wrong. Although, IMO code should always express intent as clearly as possible. Especially so on SO — sehe 3 secs ago
 
next moth I'll buy a new PC
 
@nightcracker Start reading from here and you''ll see that I'm having a very bad night.
And it also means that I need to sink another $500 to get a new CPU + mobo to replace my workstation. This time Haswell.
And I'm not gonna try overclocking this AMD machine for a while.
At least not until I have a backup in case I screw up again.
 
mawning
 
8:13 AM
wait what
you put in a ramstick
BACKWARDS?
 
Yeah shuddup. I just killed my second most important computer today. :(
 
@nightcracker why are you ramming it in? sticking it to him?
@nightcracker Now that's a RAM extension! I'd even call it a protrusion
 
Anyways, I need to see if my Halloween Costume fits. Boss is making everyone dress up.
 
@Mysticial sorry for your loss =/
 
@nightcracker Well, I kinda did ask for it by not double-checking.
The real reason was that the orientation of the AMD rig and the SB rig ram slots was reversed.
And I wanted to keep the ram in the same order.
 
8:17 AM
Double-checked RAM (ECCECC?)
 
So I carried them together in a set of 4.
 
@Mysticial You mean, "working" order? (sry)
 
And put them back in exactly the same way I pulled them off from the first machine.
And I forgot to pay attention to the notch.
 
Ah, there's a mitigating factor: you weren't not paying attention, you were just paying attention to the wrong thing
 
@sehe Correct.
 
8:21 AM
Ah. Stroustrup has aired some new nice quotes electronicdesign.com/dev-tools/…
> "I have yet to see a program that can be written better in C than in C++. I don’t believe such a program could exist." - Bjarne Stroustrup
6
You forgot to star it
 
user1804599
Mood gorning.
 
> The ISO C++ standards committee has no resources (money, time, developers). The members actually have to pay $1200 a year to participate
> We are always short of experienced application builders, so novel features have tendency to overly reflect the interests of implementers and library builders.
@rightfold Nuly doted
 
@sehe done
 
> Many then fall in love with their obscure and complex code, considering it a sign of expert knowledge.
 
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Damn.
 
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8:26 AM
Only 1/4 on spelling test today. :(
 
user1804599
Usually I get 3/4 or 4/4.
 
Who does spelling checks in Aramaic?
 
So you can only spell 25% of words correctly?
 
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@jalf I kan two. Iff I trie reelly hart
> Op dit moment is niemand ingelogd met deze computer.
Welke computer
> Een design-muismat met muispijl en de lastigste vernederlandste woorden zoals ge-e-maild en geüpdatet
KILL ME NOW SOFTLY
 
8:28 AM
@rightfold your "ij" and "ei" drives me mad when reading nl-texts oO
 
@ArneMertz your emoij drives me sad
 
emoij?
 
emoji*
@ArneMertz try pronouncing muispijl
 
user1804599
@ArneMertz rijbewijsgeldigheidsduur
 
@ArneMertz oh, did that really happen, what a coijnceidence! Also, this is totally your mousemat:
 
user1804599
@sehe ge-e-maild en geüpdatet zijn niet lastig. :|
 
@nightcracker I dunno how you you pronounce "ui" normally...
 
@rightfold validity term of drivers license
 
user1804599
They follow normal Dutch spelling rules.
 
@rightfold Neeej. Jij bent lastig
 
user1804599
8:31 AM
Nothing difficult about them.
 
@sehe I had "validy term" and guessed that it was some license...
 
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@nightcracker lulz
 
user1804599
> ei
 
nailed it
 
user1804599
dat pun
 
8:32 AM
@rightfold the best
 
herfstschreeuw
 
@rightfold well, I don't know them ;) just that "ij" is pronounced like the german "ei"
 
@nightcracker what is that even (autumnal scream?)
 
yep.
 
@ArneMertz close, but not really
 
8:33 AM
rfstschr
 
@ArneMertz Much too much "a" and diphthong in the German "ei"
 
@sehe well, close enough to guess some translations - e.g. the "bewijs" in the drivers license ;)
 
HAHA
borsjtsjschranser
 
user1804599
dwarslaesie
dwarsleesie
dwarslaysy
dwarslaesy
dwarslæsie
 
@sehe depends. the amount of "a" differs from region to region
 
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8:35 AM
@ArneMertz Bewijs is not a drivers license. Rijbewijs is a drivers license.
 
user1804599
Bewijs is just a license.
 
slechtstschrijvend
 
@ArneMertz transliterations work, but that doesn't mean the pronounciation is the same. Or even similar. Countless "Romantic" words are clearly shared between English and French and pronounced not even close
> [eɪ̯], [øʏ̯], and [oʊ̯] are normally pronounced as closing diphthongs except before [ɾ] in the same word, in which case they are centering diphthongs: [eə̯], [øə̯], and [oə̯]. In many dialects, they are monophthongized (See Verhoeven & Van Bael (2002) for more information).
 
user1804599
Halloween.
 
user1804599
Lounge<Pumpkin>
 
8:37 AM
@rightfold i know. therefore "in" - I could translate the "bewijs" part of "rijbewijs" so I knew it had to be some kind of license
 
@ArneMertz But there's a minimum amount present always, and the Dutch [eɪ̯] can have literally none of that.
 
user1804599
zeeëgel
zee-egel
zeëegel
zeeegel
 
koeieuier
 
@rightfold Actually, Bewijs is just "Schein" - proof, documentation, etc.
 
user1804599
koe-uier
 
8:38 AM
koeieeieren?
 
Capoeira
Dooie Ieren
@rightfold dwars lazy!
 
user1804599
@ArneMertz it’s fun when names contain “eij” which is quite common.
 
user1804599
13 hours ago, by DeadMG
"It always takes longer than you think, even when you factor in Hofstadter's Law."- Hofstadter's Law
 
user1804599
Hofstadgroup
 
@rightfold That took long
 
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8:41 AM
@ScottW Erik!
 
your account has been flagged for terrorism
 
> Scott W. Meijer (real name exposed)
 
@sehe I got a DVD at home with only French and Dutch texts on the envelope. I speak neither French nor Dutch, but German and Spanish. So with both texts I got a pretty good idea what it says ;)
 
@ArneMertz You... could consider inserting the disk in a suitable player
 
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@nightcracker الله أكبر
 
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8:43 AM
Italiaans.
 
Just disgusting. @EVAWhd #DomesticViolence http://t.co/OGrVVrShB0
 
@sehe well, of course I can watch all 6 DVDs, but that doesn't tell me what the text says.
 
Comparative justice makes for the best headlines
 
@rightfold allah akhbar
 
@nightcracker that's not spaans nor italiaans
 
8:45 AM
@ArneMertz It it likely completely unrelated. And I do agree it's probably not worth watching all 6 volumes of the Debian Package Archives
 
@sehe The year part is good.
 
@ScottW Mijn hart, voor jou.
Cool, I got a personalized url from google.
 
> They also found that, of the 8,575 packages in the Debian Wheezy archive that contained C/C++ code, STACK detected at least one instance of unstable code in 3,471 of them, which, as the researchers write, “suggests that unstable code is a widespread problem.” here
Note: "unstable code" meaning "code invoking undefined behaviour"
 
@sehe "at least one in 3,471" = "widespread"? Those guys know how to interpret statistics!
 
@ArneMertz You know how to misread a quote!
I didn't need proof of that. It's just too damn easy to get UB and no tooling can detect it all, let alone gets widespread use
 
8:52 AM
does std::deque shrink on pop_back? (if its internal memory block becomes empty)
 
@sehe um. just noticed.
 
Freaking stupid train operators ... first platform 16 was the north shore service, then platform 17 was the north shore service & 16 was the city circle service, then they changed it again, 16 was back as the north shore service. But in the end they made us to move all to the one on platform 17
 
@ArneMertz Yup 40% of Debian packages does seem like widespread
 
so the people get moved between two trains a couple of times
not once, not twice, three times!!!
 
@Abyx it seems that it doesn't, since pop_* doesn't invalidate iterators.
fuck it. it seems that I need my own deque if I want to free unused memory.
 
9:00 AM
we hebben echt een lijst nodig met alle loungers die nederlands zijn
ik vergeet het elke keer
 
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@Abyx It’s an unrolled linked list. It shrinks if you remove N items where N is something I do not know.
 
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@ScottW LOL
 
@nightcracker s/we/ik/ - ik weet een klusje voor je
 
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@nightcracker Jij, sehe en ik.
 
@ScottW that's why you're fucked up
@rightfold and gamerix and some other infrequent. TemplateRex to, IIRC
Velleman, yes
 
9:03 AM
@sehe wij zijn geen ik, wij zijn wij
een schizofreen is nooit alleen
 
@nightcracker replyto specific message please. Also, "ik vergeet" - "we hebben nodig" <-- spot the discrepancy
@nightcracker but frequently plonked
 
@rightfold I thought it's something like vector<vector<T>>.
 
Xeo
std::vector<std::array<T, N>*>
 
user1804599
Oh vector. :V
 
user1804599
Then how can it have O(1) insertion at the beginning?
 
9:07 AM
Я работает на АНБ
 
@Xeo where N is not a constant
 
user1804599
Amortised O(1)?
 
Xeo
@Abyx Where N is a constant
 
@ScottW be sure to include ZipCode and LatLong for convenience (when sending Anthrax or dropping a Nuclear head). And SoFi/SSN to facilitate easier identity fraud
 
@Abyx yeah, vector<array<t>> might be more accurate, but yeah
 
9:08 AM
@Xeo huh? IIRC it's i*M where i is an index in vector and M is some constant like 1.5 or 2
 
Ich liebe deine Blödmann Haustier-Miezekatze
 
user1804599
Most Dutch people have no credit cards.
 
user1804599
So be sure to make those numbers nullable.
 
Just nullify the card
 
user1804599
Hmm, Dart has factory constructors. Cool.
 
user1804599
9:10 AM
They return an object instead of modifying this, but they can be called with new Type() syntax.
 
bye scott
 
@User17 that line is a bit wrong btw.
 
google translator is never completely right
 
[citation needed]
 
9:18 AM
ergh... thanks twitter, I just love being forced to see everybody's crappy photos all the time ¬_¬
^ erm. The same was true for your avatar all along :)
 
what's the most simple way to write an allocator in C++ ?
 
@Abyx write it
 
@sehe I post on twitter, I don't read it.
 
@Abyx template <typename T> using my_allocator = std::allocator<T>;
 
9:20 AM
@sehe yeah
 
@User17 you ... what?
> Are you a young teenager? Then odds are that you're using Facebook less frequently than before Dutch
^ makes sense. Everybody knows that babies/infants have more time to use FB
I tend to forget how absolutely Brutal this piece of music is open.spotify.com/artist/4GQwgdcDQwqtcHICjUNndp
@ScottW ^
 
Xeo
@rightfold Fun, I just checked: push_back is amortized constant, and push_front is just constant - on cppreference, that is. Gonna check the standard in a sec
 
user1804599
I’m wondering.
 
user1804599
Can I use auto const&, auto& and auto&& in polymorphic lambdas?
 
Xeo
uh, yes, that's the point
 
9:32 AM
@sehe indeed
 
hmm
I had some blackcurrant jam.
holy shit, that is some seriously vile stuff.
 
Oh 10 already
I should get out of bed
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're in Afghan timezone?
 
Wait no how it's 10:37
 
Clearly, you are exactly 3 hours early
 
9:38 AM
So what time is it now
 
sigh sprint meeting. 5 or 6 hrs or so
 
Wut. Sprint ⚡ hours
 
The sprint is two weeks normally.
 
It's the meeting
 
9:39 AM
@sehe sprint = 2 or 3 weeks - and almost one day of that just for the review and preparation meeting
 
@ArneMertz Relevant: sanderhoogendoorn.com/blog/?p=1264 (/Ten percent)
 
Did you just type a lighting?
 
@BartekBanachewicz No. I typed ⚡ U+26A1 Name: HIGH VOLTAGE SIGN (a.k.a. thunder or light-n-ing symbol)
 
I am
 
9:43 AM
What?
 
@ArneMertz Erm. Apparently he didn't have time to moderate my comment yet. (Neither did he fix the 6 spelling mistakes that kinda stick out yet)
 
user1804599
 
Bah, my shitty autocorrect skipped an n.
I am getting up bb.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Fire your autocorrect with a thuderous lighting bolt!
 
@sehe sadly, it's not really breakdown. It's showing a bit of functionality, talking about processes (we are still trying to learn and adapt SCRUM) and ranting about the ever increasing list of problem sources (compiler, debugger, architecture, "unit"-tests...)
 
9:55 AM
@sehe What a ridiculous title.
 
@ArneMertz You forgot "developers"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ^ you'll be thrilled
 
welp
I ate a little breakfast
now it's time for bed.
eating was probably a noob move.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, @annajayne defused that cleanly in the tweet I retwote
 
@sehe indeed.
 
10:08 AM
> I was very saddened to read that Postgres was the project shamed in the paper for sticking their head in the sand and blaming the compiler rather than fixing their code that invokes UB.
Sigh.
 
Don't let the lobster hear you
 
user1804599
> elixirfetishist
 
user1804599
Also, I got pung by that.
 
Are those your older names?
 
user1804599
PostgreSQL is awesome.
 
user1804599
10:15 AM
@Jefffrey no.
 
user1804599
I never had the usernames “zoidberg”, “elixirfetishist” and “etc”.
 
Yes you did you liar
 
user1804599
I didn’t.
 
user1804599
It’s bullshit.
 
@rightfold bullshit is your older name?
 
user1804599
10:17 AM
“Bullshit,” not «“bullshit.”»
 
ah, so @BullshitWithoutQuotes
 
user1804599
@KonradRudolph help meh.
 
@rightfold I'm impinging and expunging
 
> Oddly enough JavaScript, a not hard language, fixes this by the singular data type: var. thats right! no more int, double, string, vector, or anything else
lolol
 
10:21 AM
@rightfold Did I get the case wrong on Zoidberg?
 
user1804599
Inderdaad.
 
May 14 '12 at 9:45, by sehe
^ So true. @RadekdaknokSlupik @daknok @daknok_t @WTP'-- @class_daknok_t please get your MPD treated?
Anyways. You have no grounds for complaints
@Jefffrey Singularity Type System!
 
Xeo
> Oddly enough JavaScript, a not hard language, fixes this by the singular data type: var.
lol
@Jefffrey Oh fammit
 
Yeah. I'm sorry, slowpoke.
 
> Notice how he never disputed the fact that he made no money from C++ and that C++ sucks. All he said was that I am ignorant. After all, I must be a complete idiot since it's not like I have made my own website or anything, oh wait, I did!
 
10:24 AM
What are you guys quoting?
 
"I blog, therefore I'm smart" and "He doesn't argue with fools, so he agrees"
 
I hate that last one
 
It's so much fun
 
"Aha! So you admit you're wrong" "Er, no" but by answering you have undone the act of leaving the useless argument
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is that why you always argue even with fools? Or just with me :)
 
10:26 AM
@sehe \o/
 
10:50 AM
std::is_convertible<T, U> for T t = U();, right?
 
Something like U f() { return std::declval<T>(); }.
 
pretty sure that's close enough.
 
Order is <From, To>
 
except T and U are the other way around.
was gonna introduce template<typename U> optional(const optional<U>& other) with that as constraint.
 
Hmm, once again, I forgot about noexcept all over.
Who the heck ever cares for that.
 
Xeo
10:56 AM
@DeadMG You likely want std::is_constructible<To, From>, though
 

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