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8:01 AM
@FredOverflow AMD's XOP and FMA4 instruction sets. Which my current machine doesn't have.
Apparently, (which I just discovered about an hour ago), it also has Intel Haswell's FMA3 instruction set.
 
I have no idea what benefits they offer. I guess even more parallel SIMD?
 
FMA = Fused Multiply Add
so a * b + c in a single instruction and single rounding.
And done in the same cost of a normal multiply. So the add is free.
 
Three operands sounds like an unusual number for x86 :)
 
Yep.
 
How often do you need this?
 
8:05 AM
FMA3 is a 3-operand instruction. FMA4 is a 4-operand version that doesn't destroy any of the 3 inputs.
@FredOverflow Very
In a lot of numerical apps, a good portion of the multiplies can be fused with an add or a subtract.
 
Are the operands floats or doubles?
 
There are versions for both.
 
And how many do you process in parallel? 4 or 8?
 
Obviously all operands have to be the same type.
 
sure
 
8:08 AM
And they're all SIMD.
So 256-bit vector will do 8 floats or 4 doubles in one instruction.
 
awesome
So a*a + b*b would be two instructions? :)
 
Correct.
 
Nice. Now I want a new build, too :)
 
And you'd do 4 of them. :)
Sadly, few programs will actually use the FMAs.
In my case, I'm gonna be the one writing the code so... well...
 
I remember buying my first dual core because I wanted to do multi-threading, but apart from trivial Mandelbrot demos, I never did anything interesting.
 
8:12 AM
Same for me a few years back with an Nvidia video card.
I wanted to do some CUDA - never had the time for it.
Now to see if I can actually get my ram to run at 1866...
 
@Mysticial I have no idea at what speed my RAM is running, and I couldn't care less :)
The package says something about 1333 and 10600.
That's not very fast, I guess.
Dang, now I do care!
 
lol
My ram specifically says it can run at 1866.
But my BIOS choose to run it at 1600.
So I went online. In short, it was meant for Intel systems. So I had to manually override a few settings to get it work at 1866.
And it looks like it does work.
Running a stress test on it right now.
 
8:33 AM
rofl finally 1k rep
 
@Darklighter ^^ sure enough, I got the memory to work at 1866. By manually entering the timings.
 
8:53 AM
kill $(pidof Scott)
 
kill -9 this
 
sudo killall -9 Scott
i killed you as root!
 
9:34 AM
@Mysticial I think I'm in love with the intel i7 3770T.
 
@FredOverflow Intel's been the winner for a while.
But I'm waiting for the higher end of that processor line before I get one.
*namely the version that supports 8 ram sockets.
And it looks like I managed to overheat the chip even with the water cooler and default fan. No overclock.
Guess I'll have to fix that tomorrow -> replace the default fan with a real fan.
 
@ScottW "ums Leben kommen" = "to die"
 
9:53 AM
Going walking/jogging for 3 hours ... have not done so for 3 days due to that time of the months
 
In Dutch we say "om het leven komen"
Which also means "to die".
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I don't have that particular problem, but there has been bad weather for a couple days. Now I must go and walk the dog anyway 'cos he's getting a bit stir-crazy and bouncing about a lot :(
 
@ScottW no you thought just fine
 
@ScottW Do you have a collar and leash?
I have enough trouble walking one animal. Allocate yourself a field and iterate the perimeter. Try hard to not go out of scope.
 
10:14 AM
morning
 
morning :)
 
user1804599
Good afternoon.
 
11:04 AM
Rainbows seem to be universally liked.
Never met a person that hates them.
Googling it resulted in this lol.
 
11:20 AM
Had a bright single bow last night, followed later by red sunlight that was so chromatic that my office window blinds seemed to have fire on the other side and the grass in the field looked black. We often get doubles - one last month.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am hung over after beer festival and ScottW needs walkies.
 
morning nubfaces
 
I think I'll put a slide to briefly go through RAII. It annoys the hell out of me that I have to do this, but it's probably better.
 
what's that, doing your talk about rule of zero?
 
Ell
11:35 AM
Yay llvm compiled and installed properly
 
gz
 
Ell
hmm. or maybe not. I have clang++ installed but not clang
 
is that a terrible thing?
 
Ell
unless I'm misunderstand and there is no c compiler with clang? o.O I'll check the bin dir
@DeadMG I wouldn't mind, but it makes me think something went wrong
 
@Dead yeah, trying to get some general structure defined.
 
11:38 AM
hmm.
Derived** cannot convert to Base**, right?
that would be terrifically unsafe.
 
and I suspect that it would also be unsafe even if you made it Base* const*.
that could only function if Derived and Base were at the same address.
 
Gonna sneak a banana in some slide :)
 
hmm
covariant returns in Wide: if U is-a T. So I could in principle enable something like virtual SharedPtr(T) func(); overridden by virtual SharedPtr(U) func();.
 
How does that work with, say, Optional?
 
11:43 AM
well
I highly doubt that any Optional(T) will be an Optional(U).
but you could have Optional(T) overridden by None.
 
Ell
Okay. Building wide take 17!
 
But how does the type system decide it?
 
well, in principle, I will ditch implicit conversions in favour of polymorphic type is-a relationships. So essentially, I'll just have a bool IsA(Type* other); in my compiler.
and the user should be able to define their own is-a relationships.
e.g. None is-a Optional(T)
 
Xeo
template<class T, class U>
struct is_a : false_type{};
template<class T, class U>
struct is_a<shared_ptr<T>, shared_ptr<U>> : is_a<T, U>{};
Something like that?
 
try is_a<T&, U&>.
after all, shared_ptr is a pointer type.
you couldn't have shared_ptr<None> be a shared_ptr<optional<float>>
 
Xeo
11:48 AM
Isn't none of type optional<?>?
 
yep.
 
Nice. That also handles contravariant types like functions.
 
but
T is-a U does not imply T& is-a U&.
after all, simply substitute T = Derived* and U = Base*.
it wouldn't even be safe to infer that T& is-a const U&.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Then I don't see the problem with shared_ptr<optional<?>> being covariant to shared_ptr<optional<Concrete>>
 
@ScottW Well, nobody would say "um das Leben kommen", because it sounds stupid. But it wouldn't be wrong. For example, you can say "Er ist um sein Leben gekommen".
 
Xeo
11:52 AM
maybe it shouldn't be is_a but is_covariant_to
 
I'm building Quassel IRC 0.9.1 right now, because 0.8.0 does not seem to work.
 
Ell
Okay. Can't find a clang header file. No idea why... time to edit some makefiles!
 
@Xeo Because None& is not an optional<Concrete>&.
 
I hate building stuff from source, there are always missing dependencies. In this case Qt4.
 
@Ell Which one?
 
Ell
11:53 AM
@DeadMG <CodeGen/CodeGenModule.h>
 
Xeo
@DeadMG That's why I changed my description to "covariant".
 
@Ell It's a Clang internal library header. There should be an extra include path specifically for that.
 
@Fred that's why I like awesome package managers.
 
@Xeo But that's not going to work because shared_ptr<T> can only be a shared_ptr<U> if T& can be a U&.
 
hi @ScottW
I'm alive nobody ate me
 
11:54 AM
after all, beneath all the sharing which is irrelevant, you're really talking about a T* being a U* here. That's the type requirement.
and if T& cannot be a U& then T* cannot be a U*.
 
@ScottW What? I was talking about building Quassel IRC.
 
for a simple example
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They won't work with make, though, right?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Yes, and that's the reason I dropped the "is-a" part and went for "is-covariant-to".
 
I never understood build systems. How come I first have to run cmake and then make?
 
11:55 AM
@Xeo I'm clearly not understanding the difference.
 
Ell
Okay, sorted
 
cmake makes the makefile
 
Ell
now error: an explicit specialization must be preceded by ‘template <>’ and some more, but I have to eat, talk later
 
@Rapptz You're kidding, right?
 
no
 
Xeo
11:56 AM
@FredOverflow cmake generates the makefile for your system, and make builds the project from that
cmake is a meta-make
 
user1804599
Dat bio.
 
What bio?
 
as far as I'm aware, covariant is just is-a but it also has to be pointer is-a- so even more stringent than is-a.
 
11:58 AM
#include<iostream.h>
2
Q: why this code dosen't work ? ( &array in prototype)

Hassan Kansogood after noon programmers,hope are happy this is the code : #include<iostream.h> void sum(int &a[]) { a[2] = a[1] +a[0]; } int main() { int a[3]={4,2,0}; sum(a); cout<<a[2]<<endl; } my compiler say : "declaration of 'a' as array of references" ...

lol
 
You can pass C arrays by reference, but not by value. This is so retarded.
 
off to bed
 
soon you're going to be awake only at night, like me.
 
12:15 PM
I am tired, this is weird, I have been having 8 hours at night, even an hour nap during the day these two days
Maybe it is the bush fire ...
slowly dying from carbon monoxide poisoning
 
You.
With you never ending quest about misogyny.
What's with your avatars?
@not-rightfold omterestomg
 
@Ell Don't sort your code lines :/
@Telkitty猫咪咪 If I were to take a wild guess: Cheap call for attention.
 
I thought that's an awesome picture
 
It is. No matter what the point is. But that's irrelevant.
 
12:28 PM
Most of the men's magazines are made of pictures of half naked women ... but so do most of the women's magazines
 
Your point being? I asked about your avatars.
 
Ell
Where is it from?
 
internet
 
Ell
Oh I want to work with sbi :( Shame I'm in england :/
 
@sehe How is that misogyny?
I visit the beach all the times during summer
 
12:30 PM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 God. It's no use even talking to you. READING COMPREHENSION ON!
@Telkitty猫咪咪 You ... visit the beach. Ah. That clarifies.
 
I am in my bikinis all the times when the days are warm
 
Does anyone know a linux ide where the project filters dont have to be folders on the harddrive, like vs?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 r*e*l*e*v*a*n*c*e
You seem to be always ranting about how woman put themselves in miserable positions, and man treat women like dolls. Women get eating disorders for funny reasons (but largely the same as stated in the first part of this message, is implied).
Yet, in this room, there's mostly one person perpetrating this and that's you.
@DavidKron Never heard of project filters. I suppose you mean "project (definition) files" that refer to actual files
 
@sehe To much of a vs term? :/
 
12:34 PM
What is a project filter?
 
Like, folders for source files, that isnt folders on the physical harddrive
 
@sehe like when? I highly praised women who deserved to be praised
 
@DavidKron project filters? (I think Eclipse, QtProject, Geany, Code::Blocks all satisfy that criterion
 
I also whine about idiots, geeks and mods here
 
@sehe Fuck, why did i go kdevelop...
 
12:35 PM
#WhenProgrammersMakeDecisions
 
QtCreator only has a files list. The project files structure is identical to the structure on the hard drive.
 
But not everyone deserve to be praised
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Nevermind. I think the implicit message of your cakes, your fat women posts and avatars is making troubling the issue profoundly. If there's a constructive/positive message you intend with all this, your subliminal messages are completely drowning it.
 
sexism? it is everywhere ... I don't get it why women have to be 'given' away by their fathers at wedding or why they have to change their surnames after they are married
 
@DavidKron kdevelop has makefile projects too (though that makes you the author of the filelists. In that case, consider CMake because it is more versatile).
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Meh. R*E*L*E*V*A*N*C*E. I'm talking about your behaviour
 
12:38 PM
@sehe what's wrong with fat women? do you have issues with fat women?
 
You can't really argue "sexism is everywhere, so it doesn't matter what I do"
 
@sehe I use Cmake, thats why i use kdevelop
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 What makes you think so. I've doubts about your behaviour.
@DavidKron So, problem solved.
 
@sehe No, you are the one having issues with cakes and fat women not me
 
@sehe No, when i make a "project folder", it creates a physical folder
 
12:39 PM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 "No"? I don't see the contradiction. I've troubles with you posting them and simulataneously acting very mixed-message about it
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 What is with you and sexism recently? You get dumped or something?
 
I'm pretty sure he's a guy.
 
Ell
@DavidKron Really!? Upload a video to youtube! This is potentially entirely free energy! I wonder how many calories burning a folder gets you...
 
@sehe I like cakes and fat women, that's why I post them, why would I post something I don't like?
 
@sehe pretty ?
 
12:40 PM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Hahaha. If you like them, post them somewhere else, or post them without always engaging others on the subject (yes you do that all the time. Well, half the time, when you're not posting gratuitous nudity, tastelessness or just random sexism)
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪
 
See, this is sexism, for questioning a woman's preference.
I am suppressed by people in this lounge and the mods because I am a women
picked on, accursed ...
sexism!!!
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I'm not questioning your preference. I'm questioning your behaviour.
@Telkitty猫咪咪 And the mods? Name them?
 
@Ell Problem is i dont want my code files to be structured the same way on the hard-drive, that would force me to use #include "..\..\ etc
 
see, you question my behaviour because I am a woman, this is sexism - telling women what to do, what not to do
 
Ell
12:42 PM
@DavidKron Well you could always add an include path?
 
@DavidKron Project filters can't help you with that. You need to specify include paths to the compiler.
 
But if you're going to be all stubborn, I can't really stop you. So, proceed.
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Anyways, have fun ranting. It's clear you don't want to hear me. I've just told you I don't get what you try to achieve, and for that reason I don't like what you're doing.
 
@StackedCrooked They most definitely do, filters allow you to have all source files in the same directory
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I don't. It's sexism that you repeatedly imply I question your behaviour for some reason (that you assume must be the reason). That's a lie, and it's your sexism. Not mine.
 
gcc doesn't even have a concept of "project filters"
 
12:43 PM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Congrats on reaching 1K ! :D
 
@GamesBrainiac Thanks :D
 
@StackedCrooked Is (s)he trolling us?
 
just confused, I think
 
Ell
@DavidKron The compiler doesn't care where the source files are, as long as you supply include paths for the headers they include
 
@Ell That is if i dont wan to include them localy with "" yes
 
12:45 PM
@DavidKron That's not filters. You don't tell the build tools to "skip" certain files. You provide a "white-list" of sources
 
@DavidKron Most people set the root of the project as an extra include path.
 
I am not talking about compilers, project filters is a way to represent source files sorted with virtual folders that dont exist on the hardrive, it has nothing to do with the compiler, it is an ide feuture
 
then you can do #include <Project/Subfolder/Header.h>.
also
 
@Ell m.vietgiaitri.com/dep-xinh/nguoi-dep/2013/03/… (e.g.) /cc @Telkitty猫咪咪
@DavidKron And it's not called filters. Live with it. We're not contesting that it's a feature.
 
Ell
@DavidKron Right, you want an ide which has virtual folders then? I think?
 
12:47 PM
you're going to be mighty pissed off when you can't have two files with the same name.
 
An answer:
"BTW: Very bad structure of your classes [...]
`public string Date { get; set; }`
It should be
`public string MyDate { get; set; }` " - what a brilliant advice! :00000
 
@Ell Which has a proprietary project/solution definition
 
the reality is, folders and stuff serve a useful and necessary disambiguation purpose
 
and hello btw ; D
 
@BartoszKP hello
 
12:49 PM
If you want to understand my naming convention : global-webnet.com/blog/post/2012/08/21/…
 
It's probably better if you understand generally recognized naming conventions. I believe you when you say some IDE uses this nomenclature
 
@sehe Nope, pretty sure you are the sexist here: I can't post slim women and I can't post fat women. I can't post pictures of women in this lounge full stop. misogyny is the hatred of women, why would I post who many pictures of a gender I hate so much? It does not make sense ...
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 You can. Others do that too, without much commentary.
 
You sir, and your fellow sexists hate women, you fear them, you can't even stand one picture of them
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 You still have to engage that reading comprehension
20 mins ago, by sehe
@Telkitty猫咪咪 God. It's no use even talking to you. READING COMPREHENSION ON!
I'm too lazy to go and find one of your endless quibbles about mysogyny and sexism right now. I just pointed out (triggered by your latest avatar change) that you're really troubling your own message if you ever had one.
 
12:52 PM
Oh, one more thing: never pick up a fight against an opponent who is much better than you :x
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 trololol. It's not a fight. I merely expressed my fatigue at your directionless behaviour in this room. I don't really care what you think of that.
 
lol
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Such comments are pointless in a discussion because they assume that you can read other's mind. Perhaps focus on being more constructive?
 
@sehe why? people in this lounge having problem with female breasts?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 READING COMPREHENSION. I won't explain another time. Have fun.
 
12:54 PM
@BartoszKP you obviously have not been here long enough
 
@DeadMG I am not trying to create less physical folders, just sort a lot of files that otherwise wouldn't have been.
 
Nah. He should have known you don't value "constructive". At all.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Such comments are pointless in a discussion because they assume that you know how long I've been here, and what have I read. Perhaps focus on being more constructive?
 
@DavidKron Eclipse has the exact feature. Either in "Navigator" or "Project Explorer" (I keep mixing those up).
 
Thanks :)
 
12:55 PM
@BartoszKP Keep trying. Eventually, [s]he'll either grow tired or grow a brain.
 
the lounge in not for being constructive
 
@sehe : D I presume I'm picking up a fight against an opponent who is much better than me ;0
 
it's all about destruction
@BartoszKP she is
 
@DavidKron Perhaps you meant you want an IDE that shows logical project only, but with the possibility to "still browse the actual folder structure" if you so desire
@Abyx lolsigh
 
You are all attacking me because I am the only female here, isn't it?? Sexism!!!
 
12:57 PM
Cry baby
 
Ell
@Telkitty猫咪咪 What :L
Nobody cares that you are a woman. Get over it
 
@Ell not you
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 nah, we also have plenty of faggots here
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Such comments are pointless in a discussion because they assume that you can read other's mind and know the exact reason of someone's comments. Perhaps focus on being more constructive?
 
Perhaps just plonk Telkitty
 
Ell
12:58 PM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 haha I knew you would do that :P
 
Reallly love to chat you all more, but I got more pressing issue to resolve. Laterz ...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit right. "If you're new here, plonk Telkitty. You also may want to read other n00b hints."
 
yeah, just plonk that bitch
 
welp, time to write html and learn js >_<
 
You guys: Some dancers from The Book of Mormon re-did the cups routine in tap. So genius. For realz. http://mashable.com/2013/10/18/cups-tap-dancing-cover/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link
Just to confuse some kitties
 
1:03 PM
@Abyx You don't learn JS - JS is learning you. Your patience, endurance and forgiveness.
 
Ell
TIL the koreans eat octupi alive
 
they also eat dead dogs and cats.
 
hmm eight slides sounds great.
 
yeah, but I don't think they do it alive
 
@DeadMG dead koreans eat dogs? scary~
 
1:05 PM
lol
 
:D
 
Notch it up to eleven with title, links, and credit.
woot my slides go up to eleven
 
credit: DeadMG for "everything".
 
@Ell In other parts of the world, apparently pig rectum is served instead of octupi (huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/…)
 
not live, I hope
 
1:08 PM
Me too
@R.MartinhoFernandes What happened to Rule Of Zero slides?
 
hah.
didn't apply ROZ to your presentation did you
 
You can't handle the cute!
 
@sehe do you mind if I use that joke in the talk?
 
Ell
@sehe woah dear. I only eat fresh calamari from the port!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Of course not
@Ell I only eat fresh deer from the calamity
 
Ell
1:13 PM
Calamity? o.O
 
Think road kill
 
I drew a table on my notebook with columns for slide thumbnail, summary of speech, expected time, expected questions, and possible jokes.
 
Estimate the delay waiting for exhilaration to subdue after each joke, and then calculate the risk that you'll have to make each of them :/
 
awww fuck html/css is so bad comparing to htmlayout
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But I think in the general sense, you may be on to the essence of speaking at conferences. Oh (1) ask for the lights not to be dimmed in the venue (lol) (2) repeat questions back in the microphone (lol) (3) test your jokes on different audiences (include feminist and animal activists!)
The latter part was not a joke :|
 
Ell
1:17 PM
@sehe oh haha
I did watch a documentary about a man who ate roadkill
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You should design your presentations starting from the last slide! Think of a "take home" message, and then make your way backwards to the first sentence.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun yeah yeah, you'll learn :]
(probably when you're 67, like me)
@BartoszKP He did. When he wrote his RoZ article!
 
:)
 
My take home message is in the middle slide.
 
1:21 PM
Ah. Sandwhich formula. Make the bitter message palatable by enveloping in comedy
(sorry, somehow I've gotten into troll mode. It's kinda lame too. Tell me stop)
 
My slides are also very low on actual content. I hate when slides are so content-packed that the speakers end up reading them. it's a presentation not a recital.
Basically I make giant cue cards and call them slides.
Don't tell anyone.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You learned from the best. This is not new: slides should just make it easy to distill the central message
They most definitely should not provide more detail, or cause everyone to be reading, because then people won't see/hear you at all
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd argue about whether that's a good thing : )
 
@BartoszKP And there would be little use. You should always have a solid message. If that's the case, the rest is marketing, and you may or may not be interested in that (hint: this a C++11 talk for the intended audience)
 
@sehe Yes. Some people even use the "blackout" first, and speak. After this, they present the slide which is a summary of what they've just said. It is great to achieve concentration and focus the audience on one thing at a time.
 
1:28 PM
Interesting
 
@sehe Of course you should. I'd argue that the solid message should be at the end. It's called "call to action" or a "take home message".
@sehe I like it very much when I'm the audience. But it's very hard for the presenter, as you need to be very well prepared, and have many things memorized :)
 
@BartoszKP Who says the call to action isn't there? Also, who care about a call to action. These are C++ devs and they can very much decide for themselves :/
@BartoszKP Well, nothing stops you from having the full slide on your local screen ahead of the transitions?
 
@sehe I'm just throwing it there - some general presentation rules I know of. They usually apply to any presentation regardless of the audience.
@sehe That makes the contact with the audience hard, as you keep peeking at the slide. You should be focused on try to bring your message through, study whether you're being well understood etc. People who do that tend to speak to their computer, not to the audience.
 
ugh I don't compute the concept of a talk where the speaker needs to have things memorised
 
well, unless you want to just read from your notes
 
1:33 PM
To be perfectly blunt: if you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk about it.
5
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not the exact words memorized - just the order of topics and slides.
 
yeah
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well I did quite a few presentations in my life, and was on some talks about performing talks. I don't consider myself an expert on this topic, but I think I know a bit about it.
 
but that's just memorizing the content beforehand
rather than explicitly for the talk.
it's still having the content memorized
 
@BartoszKP That famous take-home message, "Any questions?"
 
1:34 PM
@DeadMG That's only essential when you want to present using the "blackout" style. You just need to know what's ahead, to talk in the right order.
 
Thumbnail of the next slide on the lower right corner!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Add also some flowers, full agenda on each slide (thumbnail of course, in the other corner), and blinking stars perhaps, so the audience will be completely lost on what to look at :P
 
Not sure if I'll need memory aids for the order but if I do, I'll do it old style and just print the giant cue cards in a smaller size and... use them as cue cards
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes All right, I was just kidding in the last msg :) If you're confident on what your doing, then what I've said were just mild suggestions. If you'll google about doing talks, you'll find that I'm not just making this up :) Good luck anyway!
 
Ell
1:50 PM
Woo! Boost has zlib_decompressor
 
Morning.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey Afternoon ;)
 
Good morning Jefffrey
 

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