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5:00 PM
Quite pretty, but just a close friend. he mad cuz bad
 
Woops.
That was embarassing
 
@EtiennedeMartel Flag it for moderator attention? Too many people (search bots?) can access this ...
 
@sehe I can't flag a deleted message.
 
what did it say?
 
@Non-StopTimeTravel Nothing
@EtiennedeMartel Hmm. Me neither. Perhaps just flag the next and point to msg. id 7413782
 
5:03 PM
ah. I can see why you'd be worried about it
 
What was that supposed to be, @EtiennedeMartel?
My finger's on it being a pw xD
 
@GigaBass A flagged message, obviously
 
of course, if you'd have simply deleted it, and moved on, then nobody would even have noticed
 
In other news: this is pretty cool: vps2.etotheipiplusone.com:30176/redmine/projects/emscripten-qt/… C++ an Qt running in the browser
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I have such good memory: I know exactly what it was yet, and didn't even write it anywhere :P
 
5:06 PM
@sehe Emscripten is gettings really cool.
 
@sehe bots can't access history of deleted posts.
@EtiennedeMartel change your password, if that's what it was
 
I have a group of 3-4 college friends that spent their early computer ears playing with RATs and all kinds of kiddie hacking tools, and they showed me a pen they had with several mb's worth of logins to games, sites, whatevers.. it was crazy
They bought premium shit off certain sites, undetected supposedly and all that
 
@Shog9 It wasn't my openid or any actual important password, but I'm still uneasy about that being public.
 
@Shog9 Okay. Just being careful here
 
@EtiennedeMartel, are you from India?
 
Xeo
5:07 PM
@sehe Only room owners can see deleted posts.
 
@GigaBass lolol
 
Xeo
And we can also revive them, if we're evil. :)
 
@Xeo I know
@Xeo That too
 
You saw it too then I assume @sehe? :
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, it's not exactly public now, but if it was - even briefly - you can't know who saw it / copied it / cached it. Only you know how paranoid you have to be.
 
5:08 PM
@GigaBass Yup. I read all most deleted messages. Bad habit
 
Hahaha
 
Xeo
@GigaBass I can even tell you what it was - a string of stuff.
 
@Xeo, I know exactly what it was
 
It's not hard to remember if you recognize it
 
Careful @EtiennedeMartel, I might know your shit... background laugh
It sounded Indian-like, so it was easy to remember hehe
 
5:10 PM
Yeah yeah. Disclose more information please. Really. Just go over to those Emscripten demos
 
Disregard
Not like anyone here cares for trying to know xD
 
@Shog9 I'm gonna have to change that password, though. Anyway, thanks.
 
Might as well tell us what it was, then
 
My passwords are, and always have been, ridiculous.
 
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5:12 PM
Lame Dutch pun, but funny.
 
Even lamer if you don't speak dutch.
 
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lol
 
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It can't be translated to English.
 
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There are two homonyms and they have, AFAIK, no English equivalent.
 
I discovered that Yahoo contacts is apperently the easiest way to export facebook contacts (according to the web) unfortunately, experience disagrees: "-1 contacts found. We are now importing 0 of -1 from Facebook."
 
5:20 PM
Ohhh initialization lists are faster? Hmmmm nice
 
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@GigaBass No double initialization. Also PREMATURE OPTIMIZATION AND PROFILE.
 
Premature is an understatement. :P
 
@Zoidberg considering optimization is not always premature optimization fyi
 
@Zoidberg When Claus died, we could legitimately say that "de vorst zat in de grond". (well, close)
 
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@MooingDuck > implying I'm serious.
 
5:25 PM
@GigaBass I agree
 
Haha I know, just threw the observation out there :<
How to get pumped up:
1 - Open this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OatAcPIyPyg
2 - Loop ad infinitum
 
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Okay.
 
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I have seven pages now.
 
@GigaBass Dude, I love this song.
 
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Five to go.
 
5:27 PM
Yup, it's awesome. I listen to a few of their songs
(This is my alarm, btw)
 
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@sehe Nu moet Rutte nog aftreden.
 
@Zoidberg a lot of people are
 
How common is it for standard libraries to include factorial functions?
 
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@Maxpm hi! Been a long time.
 
This is sad. I think I know less about cooking than I do about C++, and that is not saying much.
 
5:31 PM
@Zoidberg Hi! :)
 
@Zoidberg Wat. Have I missed news?
 
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Rutte is terrible. :P
 
I was surprised to find that C++ doesn't have a standard implementation of factorials, but it doesn't look like D or Java have implementations, either.
 
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Easy and fast implementation is using a lookup table.
 
Oh - ok. I thought it was just a lame pun. We'll know more in ~30 minutes
 
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5:33 PM
lol
 
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Also
 
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Factorial function is kinda weird without bigints.
 
@Maxpm Why would a language implement math specialized stuff, in arbitrary compromises?
 
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Also
 
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C++ Y U NO BIGINT.
 
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5:34 PM
I bet there's a proposal, though. :P
 
Y U NO DECIMAL
 
@sehe What do you mean by "arbitrary compromises?"
 
I believe there is for a decimal type. Which is good. Floats are overrated
 
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C# is the first language I've seen that has native decimal type.
 
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Objective-C has NSDecimalNumber, but it's in the library (and has no operator overloading, sigh).
 
5:35 PM
@Maxpm Some people might favour speed, some might favour flexibility (Gamma function, anyone). Some might want floats, some might want std::rational. It's hard to optimize for all cases, and frankly it's nothing to burden the standard with.
 
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[myDecimal decimalNumberByAdding:[NSDecimalNumber decimalNumberWithString:[NSString stringWithFormat:@"%d", myInteger]]] // Objective-C is fucking wonderful.
 
Unless you want to guarantee low adoption of the next c++11 standard.
@Maxpm Anyone who cares knows where to find TR1, Boost, Blas, Intel's Math libs etc. etc.
 
Xeo
@sehe Next C++11 standard?
 
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C++11 2
 
@Xeo Urrf. ^ dat :)
 
5:39 PM
@sehe C++14 or C++17?
 
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C++1x.
 
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IT OCCURS TWICE
 
@EtiennedeMartel all
Dec 30 '12 at 6:03, by Rapptz
oh they weren't standardised in C++11 :(. Lucky for me they exist in <tr1/cmath>
 
@Zoidberg What the actual fuck?
 
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@ShotgunNinja It adds an int called myInteger to a copy of an NSDecimalNumber called myDecimal, and returns that.
 
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5:41 PM
Becauze NSDecimalNumbers are immutable. xD
 
@Zoidberg I think 'readability' has something to do with why Objective-C never caught on outside of platform-specific stuff for Apple...
In addition to the fact that it's even more proprietary than C#.
 
@EtiennedeMartel C++14 will become C++17 and C++17 will become C++23
 
I'm afraid that's not accurate. Anyways, it didn't get mass traction
 
@sehe Good point. You're right.
 
@Borgleader Waiting for c++131
 
5:43 PM
@sehe I didn't know bears lived that long. Or do you just hibernate in between C++ standard revisions?
 
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@ShotgunNinja that specific example is not readable at all.
 
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Objective-C code is usually very readable, though, IMO.
 
@Zoidberg I disagree
 
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I don't.
 
Way to go captain obvious
 
5:47 PM
@Zoidberg there's a proposal for boost, but nothing for the standard to my knowledge
 
I've seen well-written Objective-C, and to be fair, there are ways to make it more readable. The line you posted, however, does nothing to support that claim.
 
@Borgleader I can wait for it. That's not to say I'll see it in my lifetime. Lot's of people wait all their life
 
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Just don't use a bad language like C++.
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PROBLEM SOLVED
 
@Zoidberg out
 
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5:51 PM
I want to go sit on the roof of my school and shit.
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Wow.
 
@Zoidberg May I express how weird I think you are.
 
whoa! ideone (and therefore SPOJ and codechef) has "gmp.h"!
 
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lol cool
 
I could have been using a standard bignum class instead of writing my own for codechef :(
...but they don't have "gmpxx.h" fail
 
5:58 PM
@Borgleader He's by far not the weirdest we've seen.
 
@sehe o.O
 
@MooingDuck Humongous fail
 
likely very stupid question:
can images be directly loaded as code onto a header/cpp? How? Does anyone do that?
I was thinking about different means of loading certain things: using text files formatted in a certain way to save games, having some hardcoded values into the game/app itself, and the thought occurred
 
@GigaBass no, usually one just "links" them into the executable
 
Is that a no @ not being possible?
 
6:01 PM
@GigaBass It depends on the system you're using. Often, asset file loaders will simply attach themselves to input streams and read from those. If you really wanted to embed something in the code, then you just need to represent it as the contents of a stream, and use that stream at runtime.
 
@GigaBass it's totally possible, it's just we have far better alternatives. Sorry :(
 
Yeah, you could probably do it if you wanted, but there are better ways.
It's akin to using shar on a binary file.
 
I was just curious if it was possible and if it had any actual uses :P
 
@GigaBass yes possible, no actual use
 
So, for example, copy-pasting the contents of a file as a string literal, or a literal byte array, might make that happen. I know GIMP allows exporting of image files as C/C++ headers, and it encodes them as arrays of pixel color values.
 
6:03 PM
@ShotgunNinja Does it really? That's neat.
 
@Maxpm Last time I checked, it did.
 
@GigaBass works vaguely akin to this concept: i.imgur.com/QlGpd.gif
 
For example, for "hiding" data: let's say someone didn't want the assets to be visible under any file form
 
@MooingDuck Wasn't that used as an answer to some question on SO?
 
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Q: Why is this program erroneously rejected by three C++ compilers?

James McNellisI am having some difficulty compiling a C++ program that I've written. This program is very simple and, to the best of my knowledge, conforms to all the rules set forth in the C++ Standard. I've read over the entirety of ISO/IEC 14882:2003 twice to be sure. The program is as follows: Here i...

 
6:04 PM
@GigaBass But the assets are visible.
They're still going to be in your executable file. They're literals.
 
It's very inefficient in terms of program size, but you could also do the same thing with a zipped archive file, and unzip it as a directory structure in memory.
 
Yeah, but they're not out there to "common" people xD
 
@MooingDuck Always relevant.
 
Well, thanks. :)
 
@Rapptz: Apperently what I remembered was implimenting "bignum" division of two unsigned long long divided by a single unsigned long long. 99.99% of the time users should simply use the unsigned version, which is far faster and like 5 lines of code.
 
6:08 PM
@GigaBass You can still rip them out of the executable if you know how, and where, to look. Does that constitute "common"?
 
@GigaBass actually, header files could be located/loaded in any fashion the implementation deems useful (it's implementation defined)
 
Unfortunately, this is the only font that my hand supports. That would be very sad if I am unable to program in C++ because of this. Do you think Java would support this font? — James McNellis Apr 1 '11 at 1:35
 
@MooingDuck Bahahahaha
 
Of course, 99.999% of the people who play games have no idea what's beneath. If they open folder and see .bmp's, they can change and drag them out (what I did as a kid alot :P), while otherwise, not
Did not understand what you meant @sehe
 
@GigaBass I wouldn't put it that high... Maybe 99.9%.
 
6:10 PM
Yeah, but got the point accross
 
Well, that's still 1/1000 vs. 1/100000...
It's becoming far more prevalent.
 
But not as much as you expect, I think
 
I still giggle so much at the ignorance that is demonstrated by some of my many mates @ IT
 
It's a matter of interest moreso than it requiring any specialized knowledge.
^ herp derp no sleep, can't talk
 
6:12 PM
The other day I was playing l4d with 2 mates, and they were complaining about how they were lagging alot. Turns out they had no idea downloading stuff could cause lag/ping issues, whatever, and had always played with torrents open
 
@GigaBass wow, herp derp. "The Internet is limited by how much data can be sent in/out of my magic cable slot at a time? I thought it was all magical and instant!"
Series of tubes.
 
Oh, also, a funny episode of mine: I was in 1st year of college, 1st semester, on a subject which was "Introduction to Computer Architecture", I was like in the last 1/4 of chairs on those big auditorium-like rooms, on a lecture.
I was talking the entire time, and suddenly I look at the board and see lots of JVM code samples and stuff, and relaxedly stand up, call up the professor, and ask in loud voice if we would need to program in JVM in the next test
 
JVM? That's a program, not a language...
 
Also, loaded room. Literally everyone looked back at me, started laughing, and the douche professor continued speaking what he was saying before. 5minute later, he turns to me and gives me the facepalm look xD
 
@sehe Flawed in what sense? Someone with hypochondria typically thinks they have more than one issue -- usually stating multiple issues.
 
6:15 PM
Precisely, @ShotgunNinja :)
 
@GigaBass You're my hero.
 
I know I know, I have quite the knack for making a splash where I go hehe
 
@Rapptz Just the fact that a patient complains persistently doesn't mean that the symptoms aren't psychosomatic or indeed imagined. (Recapitulate: "I agree. However...')
 
"Not available in my country."

A song by Ice Cube, who resides in the same country as me.
facepalm
 
6:19 PM
Indeed
 
@ShotgunNinja His location of residence is irrelevant.
 
Yeah, he ice cube, dawg.
 
@GigaBass Try a great day: youtube.com/watch?v=ZLd9MZYQwy0
 
Ok then, I raise you the best day ever: youtube.com/watch?v=AbV-Q6tz4B8
 
man
I was playing Mafia and utterly noobed it up.
 
6:23 PM
Mafia? Isn't that, like, a century old?
 
0
A: Use std::initializer_list in Visual C++ Compiler November 2012 CTP

rubenvbAs you have noticed, the November CTP is very limited in usability for at least two reasons: The compiler has numerous crash-causing bugs, such as the one you discovered. The C++ Standard Library was not updated with the compiler, leaving you without decent <tuple> and <intializer_list...

 
Thanks, Micro$oft!
 
that micro$oft thing again?
 
Always lovely to see the latest fully-functional releases from everyone's favorite software development megacorporation.
 
leading people to half-assed workarounds for compiler bugs since 1992. Or something.
 
6:27 PM
@ShotgunNinja I don't think it was in an official release, it's a preview
 
It's a preview version. But buggy as hell and it introduces some useful features (if there were library support for them)
 
@rubenvb Which begs the question: Why rush it to the previews? You're only scaring off users that way by leading them in with a bad product.
I mean, there is the whole "Yeah, but it's a preview" argument, but the hit-or-miss nature of their previews is really bad on the company's image. I can't say much further about what may have caused it, or what their plans are for dealing with it, but either they didn't know about it, or they mistakenly assumed that it would be less important than other high-priority defects already identified.
 
Well, they couldn't lose much more face after the debacle leading to the 2012 release.
 
greetings!
 
All/most of the features promised were not done. Fun fact: the <initializer_list> header was in the final product, yet unusable (or was that in 2010 already?).
 
6:34 PM
I know some of you may have some experience with this so I'm going to let you know about my question.
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Q: Method(s) used to pass data to and from WebKit based browser

ChimeraI'm using WebKitGTK+ ( WebKit ) application that will be a very simple web browser running in a Linux environment as a separate executable that will need to exchange data between another application. The system is described in the following image: Example scenario: Event such as smart card i...

 
That, or they simply don't know how to deal with it, because it violates some central assumption made in the compiler's design which makes it incredibly difficult to recover from on a market-viable schedule. If that's the case, though, that they screw up a very well-documented programming language standard, then there was likely some serious requirements failures or V&V failures.
 
I have a giant axe. It's awsum.
 
Does it bark aswell?
 
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nah. I'm just summing up my Chivalry:Medieval Warfare play
 
6:36 PM
@Zoidberg Oh, you.
 
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@EtiennedeMartel Oh, me.
 
@ShotgunNinja and... the opinion near the end is a very well-described warning on how to avoid stupidity.
 
Until they come out with a message on MSDN or something about it, saying either "Yes, we're working on it", or "No, we didn't know about it already, but we're looking into it", then it's just blag.
 
@Zoidberg I noticed yesterday that there's a giant tower on the top of our base.
 
@rubenvb Fair enough.
 
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6:36 PM
@EtiennedeMartel wut
 
@Zoidberg MC
 
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A tower? I do know there is a room that is six blocks high.
 
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The power generator(s) go(es) there.
 
I'm not talking about that.
 
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Screenie? I can't join right now. :L
 
6:37 PM
you are lame and you don't have medieval weapons and I hate you
 
I can't either.
 
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oh xd
 
But yeah, there's a wooden tower sitting right on the second part of the base
(You know, the one you built)
 
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Is it a tree?
 
I climbed on top, there's nothing but a crafting table.
No, it's made with planks and stuff
 
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6:39 PM
Oh. lolwat
 
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@kbok @Ell come here you bastards.
 
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:P
 
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We should use version control so we can see who did it. xD
 
Has to be melak then. Ell wasn't on long enough to have built it.
 
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Ah Melak. Forgot about him.
 
6:41 PM
If the zeppelin did not handle like a drunk hyppo I would use that tower as a helipad or something.
@JerryCoffin You're in Colorado, right? Check this out.
 
@Zoidberg it used to be a tree :p
 
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ohh xd
 
I carved it out, and turned it into a stairwell
just because :p
 
@EtiennedeMartel This is awesome, btw.
 
posted on January 28, 2013 by Eric Battalio

In the Community is a regular series spotlighting members of the C++ / developer community. This week, the spotlight is on Marius Bancila, a developer and C++ MVP. Marius has been developing desktop applications for 10 years, using different technologies including C++, C# and Java. C++ has always been his preferred language of choice. He has been awarded Microsoft MVP for VC++ since 2006 for

 
6:53 PM
@Feeds "Forget about char* and other C-lish (I hope you see the pun) things. C++ is not C with classes. C++ is not the world of pointer to char or dynamically allocated arrays. C++ is the world of string and vector, of auto and lambdas. And many other cool things. That's the C++ you need to learn and use. It has a name and that name is C++11."
 
@Feeds they'd rather announce the release date of update2
 
@Abyx the one that brings proper stdlib support for the november ctp features?
 
@melak47 yep
 

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