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user142019
1:02 PM
Back, I am.
 
I don't see why a TCP packet would be any slower than a UDP packet, in general, (assuming nagle disabled). The stack maybe has to do a bit more, but not that much, compared with typical network latencies.
 
@MartinJames It is slower because if there is lossage in a previous package, the subsequent ones get delayed.
 
user142019
@sehe Yeah I understand. Brainfart. :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ..only if the window gets full
 
1:05 PM
Oh wait - I see what you mean.
 
If a package needs retransmiting, you already lost to UDP.
 
Xeo
Erm... guys, what do you use for Flash stuff on Linux?
 
Of course, UDP only gets faster because it allows losses and out-of-order delivery.
 
user142019
Nothing.
 
user142019
I don't have Flash installed.
 
Xeo
1:06 PM
Unfortunately, I need it.
 
I want it on my phone. Android has no flash & so, mostly, no YouTube:(
 
@Xeo I thought Adobe had binaries for that.
 
user142019
Flash for mobile is deprecated.
 
Chrome has Flash builtin too.
 
@Zoidberg Yeah - but nobody told YouTube
 
1:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I love the "void* of a bool". I hope I won't hurt him more than help by that code...
 
@MartinJames Isn't there a YouTube app?
 
There is - it correctly renders the 0.1% of HTML5 videos on YT :(
 
user142019
@MartinJames Write your own with YouTube API. If it gives you FLVs, use FFmpeg.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Support from Adobe stopped with 11.2
 
@sehe I might just do this. Will have to wait till I get home to sort it out though
 
1:10 PM
@MartinJames Oh.
 
Err.. no. I bought my phone as a tool, not as yet another development platform!
 
Scumbag Bartek: writes (c & (1 << i)) ? '1' : '0'; says he is avoiding "cryptic" back_inserter things.
5
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess that's finally the time to learn to use back_inserter properly
 
I don't use Flash, so I honestly don't know.
 
user142019
Greenfoot y u no draw string.
 
user142019
1:15 PM
Motherfucking piece of dog shit mixed with cat piss and Java.
 
the 'everything sucks' thing gets tiring you know
 
Fucking damn. should be burned in fire.
 
holy shit you guys
 
(I mean the tag)
 
1:18 PM
why?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why?
 
there are certain things that apply specifically to C++11
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because it's causing an awful lot of confusion
I am not sure if he is on C++11. at least not tagged so — Chubsdad 7 mins ago
 
It's ok to use this tag for c++11 specific features
 
1:19 PM
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A: When submitting an answer, when is it ok to use C++11?

R. Martinho FernandesI always use C++11 first and foremost in my answers. That makes the answer better because it will resist the sands of time. Remember that the goal of providing an answer on StackOverflow is not to help one person at a time. It's to help everyone that will ever come across that answer. When someon...

 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks for that. I'll keep that bookmarked
 
Yeah I was programmed in C++11
 
@Crowz are you a program?
 
No I'm Crowz
 
@Crowz so why were you programmed?
 
1:23 PM
This just in, Crowz is a highly advanced AI simulation that is self aware
fucking hell
If you come in here and just dump a question in front of us, this is what you look like
 
I'm thinking about voting to close one of my questions just so I can see who voted to close it in the first place...
 
@BartekBanachewicz FWIW, I think these arguments are just plain silly. has none of these silly arguments, and they have , , , .
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I take it they use the same approach, is the latest and the others are for specific versions
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The fuss is made mostly by butthurt people who write things such as "C/C++" and <stdio.h>
 
@thecoshman No. is not the latest, just like is not the latest.
is anything C#.
 
1:28 PM
Deprecate , use instead, and use for C++03
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@R.MartinhoFernandes which implies it's allowed to use the newest one
@LuchianGrigore +1 for that.
 
@LuchianGrigore That won't work: people will not use .
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's more like what I meant
 
user142019
All these tags on my screen.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sure.
 
user142019
1:29 PM
It looks like SO proper.
 
I know, and I wouldn't be able to repwhore as much, since I suck at C++11
 
@Zoidberg
 
user142019
 
user142019
meh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wat u think of virtual data member proposal?
 
user142019
1:30 PM
Stupid regex.
 
@DeadMG Haven't looked at it yeast.
 
typo correction fail
 
That was on purpose.
I mean, what kind of retard do you think I am.
 
to receive information, hold mirror in front of face.
 
1:32 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes a prolific one
 
using std::memory_vector = std::vector<unsigned char>;
 
@BartekBanachewicz UB
 
@DeadMG WAT?
 
@BartekBanachewicz It is UB to add any declarations or definitions to namespace std.
 
@DeadMG oh, I just thought you might pick on it. I rather meant it to be added to std though
 
user142019
1:34 PM
OutOfMemoryException sigh.
 
still UB
 
@DeadMG ... by C++14
 
@DeadMG He means, something that should be in the standard.
 
oh
 
Just like when we say std::optional and so on.
 
1:34 PM
ah
that's actually a serious proposal with a real use case and actual effort going towards it, though.
obtw
 
@DeadMG That would be nice if it got standarized.
 
the pre-Bristol submission deadline for proposals is March 15th.
 
Pre- and post- meetings, and some more?
 
1:35 PM
yeah
this one was a "some more".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes during
 
so I still have another seven weeks to work on various proposals.
hash and thunk are basically done.
 
I am not erasing evidence.
;)
 
lol
 
1:39 PM
Get the Unicode one rolling.
 
it's nearly complete, I think.
 
std::thunk would be nice
 
I should have word breaks passing all tests this weekend.
 
@thecoshman The bikeshedders want std::bound_function.
 
did you sort out that SSO you where wanting ot test
 
1:40 PM
@thecoshman is it for making thunk! noises out of PC speaker?
 
@DeadMG bikeshedders?
 
Parkinson's law of triviality, also known as bikeshedding or the bicycle-shed example, is C. Northcote Parkinson's 1957 argument that organizations give disproportionate weight to trivial issues. Parkinson demonstrated this by contrasting the triviality of the cost of building a bike shed in contrast to an atomic reactor. The law has been applied to software development and other activities, and is known as the "color of the bike shed" effect. Argument First mentioned in Cyril Northcote Parkinson's 1957 book Parkinson's Law, and Other Studies in Administration, which has subsequent...
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, for dealing with shitty APIS
 
@thecoshman I have a very simple test.
And of course, the rest of the API is still working now that I replaced the innards that used std::vector with detail::small_vector, so I think it is pretty solid.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, nice
@R.MartinhoFernandes at some stage, I might spend some time working on kyrostat :P
I find it so hard to get some solid time in to do stuff though at nights
 
1:44 PM
Word breaks are almost working, but they fail on some crazy scenarios, like colons with umlauts.
 
is umlauts a particular type of accent?
 
Yeah, the one in ü.
Yes, there is at least one freaking official conformance test that puts an umlaut in a colon.
 
really? just because, why not?
 
The test is: "A:̈A"
 
am I supposed to see dots above the colon?
 
1:46 PM
@thecoshman Well, the conformance tests are not real text, they are just short snippets that try to cover all possibilities.
@thecoshman Yes. I see them.
 
I see... well, I see your point, but not those points
 
Bananas again.
 
1:47 PM
stop with the link spam will ya
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, either very tiny, or not there
 
it's only three links, and they're all different proposals
not spam
 
@thecoshman They are slightly to the right. I can't really blame anything for not rendering colons with umlauts properly.
If there is a "properly".
 
umm wait, so there's NO way to erase from that set?
 
@DeadMG would it have killed you to do it in one message with a proper link so we can see what they are?
 
@thecoshman No, I just didn't think about it.
 
1:49 PM
Wait, now you know.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes who knows what?
 
If it would have killed the puppy.
 
user142019
Why are there so many douchebags?
 
dirty cunts
 
user142019
Earth.
 
1:52 PM
OMG NAMM show started omg omg
 
@DeadMG Hmm why types for encodings and enumerators for normal forms?
Oh, nevermind, makes perfect sense.
 
@DeadMG btw, in enum class normal_form { nfc,, "nf" stands for "normal_form", right?
 
ask the Unicode Standardisation Committee.
 
@Abyx Normalization Form.
 
you know
it occurs to me that I should force all encodings to be separate types.
 
1:58 PM
huh... in Erlang throw is to be used for flow control :S
 
But the standard uses "NFC form" and even "Normalization Form NFC" sometimes.
 
under the current proposal, you couldn't specialize for utf8 and narrow, because you can't know that they're different types.
or overload for them.
 
So I think nfc, nfd, etc are better names than c, d, etc.
@DeadMG Yeah, let's not make the same mistake twice :)
 
indeed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok
 
1:59 PM
It does not prevent the implementations from sharing the implementations.
 
I also noted that Stephan left std::hash out of his function object proposal.
 

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