« first day (317 days earlier)      last day (4625 days later) » 

12:08 AM
Aren't there websites to search for a song after humming the tune?
 
12:18 AM
0
Q: Can I default a private constructor in the class body or not?

R. Martinho FernandesGCC 4.5 doesn't let me do this: class foo { public: foo() = default; private: foo(foo const&) = default; foo& operator=(foo const&) = default; }; It complains that: error: 'foo::foo(const foo&)' declared with non-public access cannot be defaulted in the class b...

 
@LucDanton yeah
@LucDanton midomi.com
 
I did try it (thanks Google) but encountered technical difficulties.
 
12:34 AM
Hum it for us.
 
I already forgot the tune, sorry.
(It doesn't help that I'm listening to something right now.)
 
12:59 AM
> If several processes map the same file, and a process modifies a memory range from a mapped region that is also mapped by other process, the changes are inmedially visible to other processes.
Does this mean I should use volatile?
 
Only if the docs say so
 
this situation where memory contents are altered by some external agency, is about the only place where volatile is OK and good. it's what it's for.
 
1:16 AM
template <class T>
offset_ptr(T *ptr)
{  pointer p (ptr);  (void)p; this->set_offset(p); }
What's the (void)p; thing for?
 
That looks mystical.
Probably an offering to the compiler gods, to appease them.
Hopefully it's not calling a templated conversion operator.
 
No. pointer is a pointer. A real one, with * and all.
And I doubt it's accidental, because it appears twice more in that file.
 
The 'compiler gods' hypothesis wins by default!
 
Sounds scary.
 
it's probably something left over from earlier times. anyway serves no useful purpose. i would delete it.
i know one case where a (void)x; makes sense.
 
1:27 AM
 
@AlfPSteinbach And that is?
 
to force the compiler to instantiate some templated thing, in my case that was a factory registration
 
Someone seems bent on bringing Dev-C++ back from the dead: orwellengine.blogspot.com
 
commendable, although i don't quite see the point. code::blocks rules that area.
 
2:03 AM
is this a bug or a feature?
 
2:41 AM
@AlfPSteinbach What's commendable about it? Trying improve on code::blocks would be, but how is resurrecting such a piece of garbage as Dev-C++ commendable?
 
user457812
I'm always amazed and dismayed when I hear from a friend that they've tried to learn C++ and then tell me they're using Dev-C++
 
user457812
Then they usually call Dev-C++ a compiler.
 
@JerryCoffin Damning with faint praise?
 
user457812
I feel kind of proud that I managed to ask someone enough questions that they accused me of terrorism and suggested I be reported to the FBI.
 
No no no, people tend to think anything is terrorism. Like, they think the state is attacking villages in Syria, even attacking the imam! Hah,
t'was just a bank robbery!
 
user457812
2:52 AM
Well, I guess that's maybe technically terrorism?
 
well you know, silly Al Jazeera and the Arab League and all them crazy foreigners, they pretend a simple bank robbery was like some attack or something
but i'm thinking, since january 2007 Israel has assassinated a lot of Iranian scientist.
one of them right in front of his wife and children
isn't that terrorism?
mebbe i'm stupid
 
3:20 AM
@LucDanton Where did you see faint praise? I thought I was damning with clear, outright condemnation. Or did you mean faint praise of code::blocks? In that case yes.
 
Oh. I meant the 'commendable' from Alf. Too tired to make proper sense.
 
 
5 hours later…
7:52 AM
Morning !
 
8:22 AM
Hi.
 
cpx
8:50 AM
Hi.
In ctype.h, Is (!isalnum()) == ispunct() ?
 
No, e.g. space is neither alnum nor punct.
 
morning!
 
in Dijkstra's algo, these lines, it seems like that each vertex should have some notion of distance, is my interpretation correct?
 
How is the job hunt going ?
 
8:55 AM
 for each vertex v in Graph:           // Initializations
 3          dist[v] := infinity ;              // Unknown distance function from source to v
 4          previous[v] := undefined ;         // Previous node in optimal path from source
 5      end for ;
@kbok had an interview last thursday and have another today
 
@TonyTheTiger What do you mean ?
So you're preparing for the interview ?
 
@TonyTheTiger The distance is a property of the paths.
It's the sum of the lengths of all the edges in it.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes sure, but here they set a distance for each vertex v to infinity, meaning that each vertex knows about distance from source
 
@TonyTheTiger, no, that's what you're actually going to calculate
 
@KillianDS yes indeed, but that means that in my set of vertices I do need a property distance, which is what I'm asking?
 
9:02 AM
Uh, I've read "same notion".
 
@TonyTheTiger that depends on your implementation, you could also just make it a temporary map with a vertex-id as the key
 
Yes they have a distance property, but this is specific to the algorithm.
@KillianDS Which is the cleanest solution IMO.
 
@kbok: no opinion about what's cleanest here, it depends on the situation. I assume there are a lot of situation where you do not want temporaries from an algorithm being left over in your vertex object, I guess there are equally many situations where you want to have some form of caching, and so on :).
 
Well, it is the cleanest. It's just that sometimes you have to get dirty :)
 
Are we talking about sex again ?
 
9:11 AM
lol
Dijkstra's algorithm, conceived by Dutch computer scientist Edsger Dijkstra in 1956 and published in 1959, is a graph search algorithm that solves the single-source shortest path problem for a graph with nonnegative edge path costs, producing a shortest path tree. This algorithm is often used in routing and as a subroutine in other graph algorithms. For a given source vertex (node) in the graph, the algorithm finds the path with lowest cost (i.e. the shortest path) between that vertex and every other vertex. It can also be used for finding costs of shortest paths from a single vertex ...
so in the pseudocode, on line 9, you get the vertex with the smallest distance, although you've just set all distances to infinity. I don't get it?
 
Not all.
dist[source] := 0 ;
Beats me why some people decide to go multithreaded and have their threads sleep all the time.
 
so I guess the smallest would be the source to start with
@RMartinhoFernandes that is silly, to say the least
 
9:28 AM
In this case it's even worse. The OP is trying to use sleep to have one thread wait for another to complete.
 
wtf? People ask silly questions that don't make much sense
 
9:41 AM
Linux kernel C fanboys FTW. kerneltrap.org/node/2067
 
That again?
 
Yup, I was looking for some information about building the kernel with a C++ compiler. This is where the "BLOODY STUPID IDEA" quote comes from.
 
@kbok it's old though
 
This is interesting how that poor guy was just asking some help about his 4-year-old C++ module which worked fine before and it started a flame war.
 
We get it. Linus and his deputies hate C++ and some people want to write Linux kernel modules in C++.
But they are right about one thing: if you want to write a kernel module, you're probably better off with C. Doing it with C++ will bring you pain.
 
9:46 AM
You sound like you hear about that very often.
 
it pops up with depressing regularity, yeah
 
I do not see why it should be a problem.
 
we used a subset of C++ for the kernel we wrote in our OS class at uni
 
Oh.
 
can't remember how much trickery was required to make that work. I think it was mainly a matter of staying away from exceptions and other fancy runtime features, and then linking to a custom runtime
 
9:48 AM
Yeah, that's sounds like about what should be necessary.
 
But writing a kernel from scratch is not the same as writing a Linux kernel module.
 
Apparently you have to disable RTTI and exceptions.
 
very true :)
 
For that, C is your best option.
To do it in C++ you have to work around a shitload of issues. And with zero support.
 
I actually did not understand why you have to disable exceptions?
 
9:50 AM
actually, didn't Linux add support for kernel-level C++ a few years ago? Pretty sure I read that
but I don't know how well it works, of course :)
and even in the best case, I'm not sure it's worth it
 
sbi
According to a comment by @Martin here, BeOS was written in C++.
 
the entire point in kernel code is that you keep it simple and you get it over with as fast as possible, so you can write the rest of your code in a sane environment
 
sbi
Now that you've come back from reading that thread: have you all dutifully upvoted my answer? :)
 
@sbi I upvoted that yesterday
 
Well, I can say for a fact that the clumsy slow part of the product I'm working on is written in C, and the fast, elegant part (that has to process huge amounts of data in small timeslots) is written in C++ (both are starting from kernel level), so I always have a good laugh @ linus' comments about c++
 
9:59 AM
@sbi Upboat for irrational hatred.
 
sbi
@kbok What? What's hateful in my answer?
 
he's quoting you about linus :p
 
10:36 AM
wow, what a troll!
and the "terrible programmers" he wants to avoid seem to be exactly the people who can't differentiate between C and C++
 
well i wouldn't call someone a troll for being honest (like saying "bullshit" as LT does here) or having strong opinions. however the same kinds of rhetorical tools can be brought to bear in a trollish way. for ultimate examples, look up Erik Naggum's (RIP) rants about languages other than Lisp.
 
he did pretty much say "I'm saying this to piss you off"
 
yes :-)
however, real trolls are out to make mayhem and hurt others. e.g. in one infamous posting erik scolded a guy thoroughly and told him to commit suicide. to improve the world.
 
Darwin award candidate?
 
he also once stated various things bad things about my parents. that was when i intervened in a thread where he'd put his sights on a more or less helpless candidate.
 
10:44 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Are we going to kill him?
Anyway C++ done wrong much more terrible than C done wrong.
 
erik is dead, sorry, and Linus, well you'd get the entire Linux community hunting you
 
didn't know Linus was capable of such rude rants
:(
 
@TonyTheTiger: Writing a conversion function from string to int is a basic exercise. Just write down a couple of strings on paper and see how you would manipulate the individual characters to get the corresponding number.
For example, how do you convert "4" to 4? How do you convert "123" to 123, given that you know how to access '1', '2' and '3'?
 
@TonyTheTiger Rude rants are what he does best
 
@FredOverflow is that an old conversation opened up again? I can't see the referent...
 
10:51 AM
the kernel thing is a result of a huge number of skilled programmers working with him to make it useful. Linus by himself is mainly a ranter. He's good at saying something controversial and snarky, which divides people into "us" and "them", and then the "us"'es follow his lead
 
18 hours ago, by FredOverflow
@TonyTheTiger write your own conversion function for fun ;-)
@jalf good description there :)
 
If Me.CheckBox5.Value = False Then
reset3 = True
''''Me.CheckBox38.Value = False
reset3 = False
Else

If Me.CheckBox5.Value = True Then
reset3 = True
'''Me.CheckBox38.Value = True
reset3 = False
End If

reset3 = Empty
 
A colleague of mine found this. Duplicated over a hundred times all over the code he is working on.
 
omg
fail
 
10:54 AM
Note: I didn't anonymise the variable names.
 
crappy names
 
Statefulness overload
 
well it's an example why properties that hide their function-like nature, are bad
 
What properties?
reset3 is just a global variable.
 
i mean presumably assigning to the Value property invokes some code that checks reset3
 
10:56 AM
('''Me.CheckBox38.Value = True does nothing, because it's commented out.)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You're spoiling my breakfast. Not really, just drinking coffee..
 
yes. it looks like debugging code. the app so much spaghetti that it needs inline debugging, to be uncommented as needed.
 
(And in any case, the Value property of an out-of-the-box checkbox does not interact with the user code.)
 
perhaps you could hint to your colleague that he/she could maybe teach the author how to trace, and other debugging techniques
 
Duplicating little fragments of code throughout the codebase is a really bad practice. Should use functions for that.
 
10:58 AM
Seems like the author is gone already.
 
you mean as in dead? he he
 
Hopefully :)
 
0
Q: Is parameter binding sequenced after argument evaluation?

FredOverflowSuppose I have the following function: void foo(std::vector<int> vec, int n); If I call the function like this: std::vector<int> numbers { 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19 }; foo(std::move(numbers), numbers[0]); Are all the arguments completely evaluated before being bound to their pa...

 
I think it's unsequenced.
I'll see if I can mash up an answer with standard quotes.
 
I thought you guys might appreciate a Jon Skeet Ugly Dance: theuglydance.com/?v=zskdgdjobm
This is why it's a bad idea for me to pull all-nighters.
 
11:14 AM
I don't like unannounced visits to my apartment when it's in a horrible state.
And I'm in an even worse state..
Lol
 
Who the hell steals a bassoon?
asdf sleep.
 
@Maxpm you can use the edit feature to fix spelling errors.
 
@StackedCrooked Thanks for the reminder.
 
It's convenient.
I didn't even know bassoons really existed.
 
@Maxpm They probably puked and urinated into the bassoon for fun.
 
11:20 AM
Hello,

I'm wondering if there is a possibility to make Boost.ProgramOptions library to notify me automatically when option with no value is passed?
As far as I understand this feature exists only for options with defined value_semantic. But this means I must permit passing a value for such options. Say, I make an option with zero_tokens() semantics so it can be passed without value and throw an error if some value was provided.
Unfortunately, this doesn't solve the problem if you have positional options. In that case a positional option following a no-value option will be parsed as this op
 
@Riga you should really post this question on the StackOverflow main site.
 
@Riga You could have posted a link to the question instead of pasting the text.
 
Because I don't feel like chatting about Boost.ProgramOptions right now :)
 
no answer fro SO
from
 
@Riga you can try the boost mailing list?
 
11:23 AM
you guys here are talking about bassoons, sorry ;)
 
And about dicks stealing them.
 
@Sta
I have already tried, now waiting something from boost mail list but I think I already know library enough to say it can't be done, I only try to say that this is nonsense
 
hello you all, i'm using qt creator in windows and I have heap corruption errors.. which tool or library could help me to detect the curruption?
 
@user352091, valgrind :))))
 
Windows.
Valgrind doesn't work on Windows.
 
11:34 AM
I know that valgrind is linux only
 
@RMartinhoFernandes that's why I'm laughing
 
95
Q: Is there a good Valgrind substitute for Windows?

Sam PhelpsI was looking into Valgrind to help improve my C coding/debugging when I discovered it is only for Linux - I have no other need or interest in moving my OS to Linux so I was wondering if there is a equally good program for Windows.

@KillianDS You win the Link Copy Speed Constest.
 
thanks!!!!!!!!!
 
another interview this afternoon, wish me luck :P
7
 
11:50 AM
Hopefully, you don't need luck, but it certainly won't hurt, so, good luck!
 
GL :)
 
@TonyTheTiger here, have a good luck star
 
Good luck :)
 
@jalf oh thx :)
Thanks all :)
 
12:03 PM
Can anyone make sense of the following?
 
тщ
no
 
Warning: strtok ahead. May cause eye bleeding, and all kinds of brain injury and mental disasters.
0
Q: convert a file (.txt,.pdf..) into a stream file

sunsetI would like to ask what is the easiest and faster way to convert a file into a stream file. I did the following : convert to stream: std::string fil= "/home/file.pdf"; std::ifstream t(fil.c_str()); if (t) { string res...

 
not just strtok, but strtok( const_cast<char*>(
I can't even figure out what they're looking for
 
sex?
 
@riga - If there was one less t in the middle of strtok I'd agree with that
 
12:34 PM
@Mahesh I have solved the "divisible by 1..20 puzzle" from @Tony in C++.
 
is it legal to use types other than int as template parameters? e.g. template <unsigned long I> instead of template <int I>?
 
@awoodland, you are able to use any type that is convertable to int
 
@awoodland You can use any scalar type except for floating point types, methinks.
You can eve use pointers to members :)
 
@Fre
 
12:40 PM
@FredOverflow, scalar type?
 
It's a standard term.
 
this autocompletion sucks
 
> Arithmetic types (3.9.1), enumeration types, pointer types, pointer to member types (3.9.2), std::nullptr_t, and cv-qualified versions of these types (3.9.3) are collectively called scalar types.
 
this is from stantard?
I know another definition from math
 
3.9 §9, yes
 
12:43 PM
ok thanks
 
C++ is not math.
 
O RLY
 
just sayin' :)
 
in Ada reals are also scalars
it is not obvious that scalars are only integer-convertable
 
In C++, float and double are also scalar. But you cannot use them as template parameters.
 
12:45 PM
Oh sorry
 
Also, you cannot nilly-willy convert pointers to integers.
 
now i double checked your first post sorry
I know
 
they have to be known at compile time :)
 
I'm absolutely confused that I can't set up notifiers for no-value options in boost.program_options. That means I can't store all info about a single option in one place including how to handle it. I have to use if -else chain . Oh MY!
 
okay
 
12:53 PM
I can add that in Booost.ProgramOptions values of options are stored as boost::any. This means I can't use visitors to automatically handle values of any type. I wrote a wrapper for it. I redirect passed option to the vector of boost::variant and work with that vector via for_each and visitors. By now i have to handle values with no options in another dumb way.
 
wow, even in the world of messed up string C/C++ string representations, BSTR is an unusually hideous one.
a function which expects a BSTR will compile and link fine if you pass a string literal... It just won't work
Thanks, Microsoft
 
it is not enough to type .as<std::string> then you define an option, you must write value.as<std::string> in the other place when you access it, it' horrible
@jalf they're always on the top, man
 
@jalf - I've clearly led a sheltered and peaceful life having never seen BSTR before :)
 
Isn't BSTR a null terminated string with a length prefix on ptr[-1] position?
 
There is a Russian anecdote about Microsoft. Once shooting competition among software companies took place. In general, all competitors showed medium skills, but Microsoft had missed all shots. They were asked, - Hey guys, what's wrong? Microsoft's man shows his gun, shoots, saying - You see - everything is fine on our side!
2
 
1:04 PM
So... Intro to C++ was cancelled for today, due to yesterday's media frenzy fest.
 
What intro?
 
Guys, I can't see you laughing
 
My college course. @FredOverflow, read the transcript from about a while ago.
 
Oh now I see your stars, i thought my translation is no so good
 
the meat is rotten but the vodka is strong
if you folks don't recognize it, that's what you get by roundtripping "the flesh is weak but the spirit is strong" english -> russian -> english
 
1:13 PM
@AlfPSteinbach I thought you were having a party.
 
he he no
 
@AlfPSteinbach On which translator ?
 
i don't remember, sorry
 
my guess is google translate.
Heck, there's althochdeutsch, mittelhochdeutsch, nueuehochdeutsch and googledeutsch.
 
actually google translate does the roundtripping perfectly
it was from the 80's
 
1:22 PM
@StackedCrooked We can have a party here.
 
@wilx yep. And storing the length explicitly makes good sense, but doing in a datatype that looks exactly like a null-terminated string to the type system? Eeew
anyone have much experience with CComPtr?
 
1:37 PM
Hello everyoooone!
 
Hi!
 
hellow
 
typedef basic_hello<wchar_t> hellow?
 
Do you sometimes visit people out of the blue? (Just read this: stuffdutchpeoplelike.com/2011/07/29/…)
 
Visit people out of the blue? You mean, like getting out of the house and go meet someone? Are you crazy? ;)
 
1:40 PM
This is a bowl of Norwegian "French" chicken soup:
I'm hungry.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I mean visiting a friend or familiy without making an appointment first.
 
Damn, now I'm hungry too.
 
@StackedCrooked Quite often, why ?
 
Apparently it is not done in Holland. Here in Flanders it's becoming increasingly uncommon too.
 
Sad. It's always nice to have friends passing by unexpectedly.
 
1:43 PM
Well, it depends. I wouldn't want someone knocking at my door while I have my pants down.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Have you tried putting your pants up before answering the door?
5
 
@LucDanton That might work.
But it would require some finesse.
But anyway, I'm okay with people just warning me 10 minutes beforehand.
 
@LucDanton you are so raffiné
 
I sometimes open the door without wearing a shirt. Gets me strange looks.
 
@Drahakar "sophisticated"
@StackedCrooked I'm pretty sure it all depends on whether you're in shape or not.
 
1:47 PM
@EtiennedeMartel lately I'm not, so I kind of stopped doing it...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Things seems way more sophisticated in french, I know what raffiné means, thank you.
 
I usually call a few minutes before, when I'm heading to the person's place.
 
@kbok Yelling "INCOMING!" is a must.
 
Popping into their bedroom asking "are you busy?" is just basic politeness.
 
1:50 PM
@jalf: Yeah, C inheritance :)
 
The best thing I've done is entering the flat, saying "hi", opening a beer and handing it to my friend.
Sitcom-style.
 
That beer could have been a collector's item.
 
Why was it on the fridge?
 
Esp if it is behind glass.
 
What ?
 
1:52 PM
@kbok I can already hear the canned laughter from here
 
If someone handed me a beer, I wouldn't whine about the sudden appearance.
 
It would be inconvenient if you decided to quit drinking earlier that day.
 
Or if your brother just died from an alcohol overdose.
 
Quit drinking? What?
How is that even possible?
 
It's like drinking, except you don't.
 
1:58 PM
@EtiennedeMartel It's a disease. It can be caught with other popular diseases, like religion.
 
drinking is a habit, religion is a belief
 
@EtiennedeMartel You could die.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, drinking water is important.
 
Hey! Be polite! Put up a warning!
 
2:32 PM
You linked to The Wiki without a proper heads up. That's rude.
 
3:17 PM
> What few people seem to know, though, is that Time Warner, one of the largest media companies in the world and parent of Warner Brothers, owns the rights to the image and is paid a licensing fee with the sale of each mask.
How come they own the rights to the mask that was used more than 400 years ago by Guy Fawkes?
 
isn't the mask guy fawkes thing a myth?
 
Whatever! Even as a myth, how come Time Warner gets the rights to its image?
Or was this myth created by them?
 
The rights were probably acquired when they made V for Vendetta
 
I think it's fair enough, they created a 3D representation of what was at best a painting
 
@EtiennedeMartel Acquired from whom?
 
3:24 PM
I don't know. But it seems you can buy anything in this day and age.
 
there's definitely design rights in taking an artists concept sketch and making it a real 3-D object
 
Ok, that might make some sense.
 
although I have no idea how it works in the US, which is presumably what the NY times article was talking about
 
Hi all
 
std::cout << "hi" << std::endl;
 
3:28 PM
printf("hi\n");
 
be gone demon!
 
Ok. Does anyone has the hobby of watching documentaries?
 
I don't think you can qualify that as a "hobby"
But I do like watching documentaries
 
@EtiennedeMartel - Have you watched anything about Hitler ?
 
it's impossible not to with the "history channel == hitler channel" policy here
 
3:33 PM
Easy, don't watch the History Channel.
 
@Mahesh Erm, nope. I mean, I've read about the guy. But no films.
 
doesn't happen in this household
 
@awoodland - I was watching on Youtube " Hitler: The rise of Evil or Greatness ". I didn't understand why his niece shot her self.
Hitler was very much fond of the girl
 
Als
wadda
@Mahesh: What about Hitler and his niece?
 
@Als - I didn't get you.
 
Als
3:40 PM
You said something about hitler and his niece Geli
 
@Als - yeah. In the film, it is shown she shot her self. I didn't though understand the reason.
 
Als
@Mahesh: Okay heres an explanation, I don't know the authenticity but this is the explanation given.
Hitler was extremely fond of Geli and actually pretty much obsessed about her, He imposed severe restrictions on her, and she couldn't have a normal life anymore
And that resulted in her committing suicide
 
@Als - Oh. That was bad. But the girl was very beautiful in the film :)
 
Als
@Mahesh: She was :) I know
 
@Als - Have you watched "The Red Violin"
 
Als
3:47 PM
Nopes.
Geli
 
@Als Nice film with good screen play. Watch it if you find time. You will definitely be surprised in first 30 min of a frame :)
 
Als
@Mahesh: I see I hope to
 
4:35 PM
Sup.
 
Als
@CatPlusPlus: hey Pussy :P
 
> The behavior of a C++ program is undefined if it adds declarations or definitions to namespace posix or to a namespace within namespace posix unless otherwise specified. The namespace posix is reserved for use by ISO/IEC 9945 and other POSIX standards.
 
Now that's just lazy.
 
Als
@CatPlusPlus: Damn you don't reply anymore eh
@RMartinhoFernandes: What is that about?
 
Apparently the new standard makes a provision for POSIX.
I'm not aware of POSIX using that namespace.
 
4:50 PM
@Als What?
 
Heck, AFAIK POSIX only deals with C.
 
maybe someone has plans
 
amazon just sent this to me:
:-)
 
posix has too many vowels to be a proper POSIX identifier.
 
Als
4:54 PM
@CatPlusPlus: nothing
 
evening all
 
Als
@TonyTheTiger: How was the interview?
 
@Als very good, if I want, I can go work there
 
What kind of company is it?
 
Als
4:58 PM
@TonyTheTiger: Wow, congratulations!
 
What would you do there?
 
I just want to see what the feedback was from the first interview, cause if that would be positive, then...
 
Als
Calls for a partay!
 
automation industry
 
@TonyTheTiger: Have you solved the [1..20] divisible problem yet? ;-)
 
4:59 PM
You don't bring free rep today? ;)
 

« first day (317 days earlier)      last day (4625 days later) »