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10:01 PM
@DeadMG The (lack of) performance may (does) keep people for buying it as a panacea, but has never stopped MS from trying to sell it.
 
Very interesting. Thanks!
 
I don't think there's any illusions anymore that managed code isn't suitable for heavy applications
so I don't think anyone will buy it
 
What's the native SDK for the XBox? Is it just "the SDK"?
 
the SDK comes with a very high-powered NDA
but as far as I know, it's just referred to as the Xbox SDK
 
@KerrekSB At least AFAIK, there's only one SDK, but about the only way to get it is to already be a (at least fairly) well known game developer. Basically, develop and release for a PC using DirectX, and if you make enough money to qualify, MS promises that converting it to run on the Xbox should be fairly easy.
 
10:07 PM
you also have to pay for it, I think
 
@DeadMG Yes -- I believe it's quite expensive (~$10K). Offhand I don't remember for certain, but I believe there's a starting price, then a per-seat add-on. For a decent-sized game being developed by a large team, the price could easily work out to $100K+ if memory serves.
Even then, you're still required to publish it via Microsoft, so they get a percentage of each game you sell as well.
 
Oh OK -- interesting. But I guess DirectX makes for a decent start.
 
apparently, DX9 and the 360 version of DX are virtually identical
I believe that 360 offers an almost direct superset of D3D9.0c, and their extensions are relatively few
 
@DeadMG Cool, thanks!
 
Mob
Thanks
 
10:19 PM
@DeadMG I've heard from a few developers that Microsoft sells it as more similar than it really is -- but perhaps it was just that an otherwise minor different happened to cause those particular developers a real problem -- hard to say for sure. They seemed pretty upset, but due to the NDA couldn't give details.
 
yeah, obviously the NDA makes it hard to pin details
although there are some documents on MSDN I've seen that mark some functions or flags as 360 only
 
@Mob We're not PHP room.
And even then, not a place to dump questions.
 
Mob
Its not directly php. I just need the logic/algorithm. . . .
 
@Mob I don't personally care much one way or the other, but my advice would be to cut your losses. Arguing the point isn't likely to accomplish much.
 
This chat is so distracting. I've started to set up Postgres instance 2 hours ago and forgot about it, lol.
 
user457812
10:28 PM
Logic/algorithm for.. displaying some text?
 
I can't even tell what that question is about.
 
user457812
I can tell that whatever it is, it is "directly PHP"
 
user457812
What I can't tell is where my drink went
 
Down the drain.
 
user457812
Found it in the hallway. I'm blaming the cat, but not the cat cat.
 
10:34 PM
 
Sometimes I can't connect to the internet due to DNS lookup failure and rebooting fixes the problem. Does this make sense to anyone?
 
DNS lookup and Internet connection are orthogonal.
If you can connect to anything by IP, then your DNS sucks. If you lose connection altogether, I don't have any ideas right now.
 
@CatPlusPlus My torrents keep downloading. So probably the DNS server sucks.
 
Use Google public ones.
 
Is DNS provided by the ISP?
 
10:39 PM
8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
 
Hm, interesting.
 
You can run your own, if you want.
 
Is that a browser setting?
 
user457812
You on Windows?
 
But the cache works best when the machine doesn't shut down.
 
10:40 PM
OSX
 
user457812
Ok, go into your settings panel
 
user457812
system prefs, even
 
AND PUSH BUTTONS.
 
Apparently the magic line is /usr/sbin/traceroute -n -w 2 -q 2 -m 30 8.8.8.8
Well, it isn't :/
That was just step 1.
 
It's traceroute. It traces the route.
 
10:43 PM
Well, this problem occurs about once a month. And a reboot fixes it. Perhaps I shouldn't bother.
But using Google public dns seems like an attractive option.
I'll keep it in mind.
 
Anyone know if a GPL3 app can use an icon set released under the LGPL (GNU Library General Public License)?
 
hi
please, can you tell me the stackoverflow site for operating system issus?
I do not know the website name anymore.
 
thats it!!!!!
thanks
 
10:46 PM
@goldengel super user
:/
 
user457812
We need a super duper user site as well.
 
Suupa usa
 
@StackedCrooked thanks!! great. exactly that is it.
 
@goldengel thanks for you pity :)
 
10:47 PM
On the second thought, it's from ohinternet, hell knows what's in that.
 
Cat, your am I right in guessing your IQ is 140+?
 
I don't know, why?
And probably not.
 
You seem very knowledgeable for 19 yrs. Well, never mind..
 
evening all
having trouble sleeping :(
what's keeping you guys awake?
 
@TonyTheTiger counting sheep supposedly helps
 
10:50 PM
@StackedCrooked lol :)
 
I did some IQ test once, but that was 7 or 8 years ago, I don't remember what the result was.
Not that I hold IQ tests in very high regard.
@TonyTheTiger Internet.
 
IQ tests test your ability to take IQ tests. That's true.
 
for (vector<sheep>::iterator sheepiter = sheep.begin(); sheepiter != sheep.end(); sheepiter++) {}
 
I regret it every single morning.
And then do it again.
 
while (sheep);
 
10:51 PM
@CatPlusPlus valid excuse
 
sheep sheep
 
it has kept me awake too in the past
 
They light from the monitor shining in your eyes keeps one awake.
 
for idx, sheep in enumerate(sheep_list): browse_internet_anyway()
 
Before lightbulps were invented people used to sleep 10 hours a night.
 
10:52 PM
I guess @sbi is also kept awake by the internetz
@StackedCrooked lucky bastards
 
1 sheep, 2 sheep, bored..
 
I like sleeping 12 hours a night.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Actually I was watching a movie. You picked the very moment it was over to ping me.
 
@CatPlusPlus but you never do right?
 
I like to sleep 12 hours a night too, but my boss hates it if I'm 6 hours late at work...
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10:53 PM
@TonyTheTiger On weekends I do. If I weren't working, I'd do it every day.
 
@sbi good timing then for me :)
@CatPlusPlus I totally dig that :)
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger No, not at all, because now I need to go to bed.
 
My boss didn't tell me what hour should I be starting.
So I start when I manage to wake up.
 
@sbi oh, you're like me then, I need to go to bed, but I'm failing to. hahah
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked What have those two to do with each other?
 
10:54 PM
@sbi I edited my message, like a boss.
 
I wanna hibernate during winter :)
 
@TonyTheTiger Oh yes!
That would be awesome.
 
@StackedCrooked oh no... not a reddit meme on here
 
I'm gonna hibernate, like a bear.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Pfft. I can do the same.
 
10:55 PM
I'd like to suspend with wake-on-LAN.
 
@sbi let's do it together then. Oh, that sounds wrong...
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Isn't it better to migrate than to hibernate?
 
@CatPlusPlus so then we could ping you and you'd wake and not get any sleep anyways :P
 
@TonyTheTiger Get off my LAN!
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Tigers don't hibernate generally.
 
10:56 PM
@sbi hibernate is better, with migration you have to be awake, with hibernation you can sleep :) Woot
@StackedCrooked I'm an unusual case of Tiger
I'm a species of Tiger yet undiscovered by those humans
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger If you are so fond of sleep, what are you doing here at 1am??
 
@sbi can't sleep :(
I did go to bed, and was lying there starry-eyed looking at the ceiling...
 
@TonyTheTiger you're a sleepy tiger?
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Of course you can't. None of us can sleep while chatting here. What did you expect?
 
@sbi lol sure
@StackedCrooked kinda like that yea
 
sbi
10:59 PM
@TonyTheTiger That's what reading was invented fo... Oh, I forgot. You're not reading yet.
 
@sbi oh damn you, always have a solution. Can't you just let me have my problem :P
 
@TonyTheTiger I like this album called "The tigers have spoken" by Neko Case. (Totally irrelevant remark.)
 
Ew, you broke it.
 
huh?
@StackedCrooked never heard of it!! Is it metal?
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Of course I have. I'm used to the petty "problems" of kids. I have lots of them to deal with almost every day.
 
11:00 PM
@TonyTheTiger nope, it's alternative country
 
@sbi oh I'm sure you do. I'm sure you're a good father too :)
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I didn't even know something like this exists. Sounds interesting, though.
 
@StackedCrooked I wouldn't let my ears get abused by that :P
 
Nothing too special though.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Um. I'd rather leave that up to my kids to decide.
 
11:01 PM
@sbi oh ok
 
When I was 17 years old I liked all music genres except for country.
I only learned to appreciate it at older age. And I noticed from internet forums that other people experience a similar pattern.
Well, that was another totally irrelevant remark.
 
I can appreciate other music, just only some days...
 
@TonyTheTiger what kind of music do you listen to usually?
 
@StackedCrooked Metal, Black Metal, Death Metal, etc
I just clicked "random" on reddit for a random subreddit and guess what it brought me to:
 
@TonyTheTiger Black Metal? ಠ_ಠ
 
Space dicks?
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Yeah, I find myself getting more tolerant of it, too. But I'm not there yet. The country I like the best is still the one played by Neil Young. :)
 
Using random on reddit can be dangerous.
 
@CatPlusPlus ugh, I ended up there today, wrong place
 
At my previous job there was a Norwegian girl. She was very shy. But I heard that she goes totally nuts at black metal concerts (which are popular in Norway).
 
11:05 PM
@TonyTheTiger Lol.
 
@StackedCrooked that's the kinda girl I like :)
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I bet she was made of Norwegian Wood. :)
 
@sbi, damn, I forgot to ask that.
 
@sbi what's so special about that?
 
@TonyTheTiger you're kidding!
@TonyTheTiger Google Norwegian Wood right now!
Ok use "Norwegian Wood Beatles"
 
11:09 PM
@StackedCrooked oh I get it now
no, I did not know that
I do have some holes in my cultural education, I admit :(
 
@sbi She was kind of cool, unfortunately she was already married. To a dwarf-like person.
I can't beat dwarf-like persons :(
 
@TonyTheTiger how long have you been a redditor?
 
@StackedCrooked two months or so
I didn't make an account till a few weeks ago
 
Aha. It's like discovering a new world not?
 
11:11 PM
you?
 
It's the best place online.
Let me check.
 
@StackedCrooked oh yes, very much. It's very interesting actually
oh wow, and you're on there a lot?
 
I discovered it after my then-boss frequently posted links of it.
On his Netlog profile.
I'm very thankful for him.
 
heheh
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger That song has an interesting story.
 
11:13 PM
Before that I got my stuff from StumbleUpon, which is also pretty cool, buy I abandoned it completely after discovering reddit.
 
I discovered it through someone mentioning it here, I think
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Are shy and cool synonyms??
 
@TonyTheTiger could that have been me?
 
@StackedCrooked possibly yea
 
@sbi sometimes :)
@sbi According to Jens Lekman shy girls are extremely boring.
 
sbi
11:14 PM
@StackedCrooked Who is Jens Lekman?
 
> Most shy people I know are extremely boring. Either that or they are miserable from all the shit they've been storing
 
@sbi but since I don't read, i guess I won't find out :P
 
@sbi a swedish singer, his lyrics are great ;)
 
@StackedCrooked so I must be boring then... cause I'm shy :P
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger I'm not recommending any book with that. I suppose there's a Wikipedia article explaining it.
 
11:15 PM
@TonyTheTiger you don't seem very shy
 
@sbi oh I might consider reading the wiki article... some day
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Aren't you living in, erm, Belgium? How come you know a Swedish singer I hadn't even heard the name of?
 
^ Jens Lekman
@sbi I discovered him on Metacritic I suppose.
 
@StackedCrooked this is the internet, everything is an illusion :P I guess only people that have met me IRL could really judge that one.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I'm listening to it right now.
 
11:16 PM
@sbi to Jens Lekman? Awesome!
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Well, I guess I know why I didn't know about him.
 
@sbi :/
 
I"m listening to it too now...
 
@sbi you animal
 
damn you
 
sbi
11:17 PM
Anything else of him worth spending my day's last few minutes on?
@StackedCrooked Huh?
 
@sbi you're a Gorrila no?
 
^ @sbi
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I'll try.
 
11:18 PM
@sbi not liking Jens Lekman is inhuman
However, you're free to do so.
 
@StackedCrooked I guess I'm inhuman too then
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Ouch. You poor boy. Here, have a cookie!
 
Preferences differ.
@sbi @TonyTheTiger you don't know what you're missing.
 
sbi
Jul 24 at 10:12, by sbi
@Raynos That gorilla avatar is just a disguise. Actually I'm a bonobo.
 
11:19 PM
@StackedCrooked I do know, I just listened to it, just not my kinda music
@sbi sorry couldn't remember the name of that beast
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Yeah, there's not that much of overlap with Black Metal, is there?
 
@sbi not from what I heard...
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger <sigh/> Oh, when will you ever learn.
@TonyTheTiger I was trying to be sarcastic.
 
@sbi pfff.... some day, when I decide to learn I guess
 
@TonyTheTiger "the name of that beast"? don't you mean the number of that beast?
 
11:21 PM
The bonobo ( ), Pan paniscus, previously called the pygmy chimpanzee and less often, the dwarf or gracile chimpanzee, is a great ape and one of the two species making up the genus Pan. The other species in genus Pan is Pan troglodytes, or the common chimpanzee. Although the name "chimpanzee" is sometimes used to refer to both species together, it is usually understood as referring to the common chimpanzee, while Pan paniscus is usually referred to as the bonobo. One source reports a lifespan of 40 years in captivity. There are no data about longevity in wild-living bonobos or on gender ...
@StackedCrooked I don't think he's a number, but you're probably referring to something else with that
 
@StackedCrooked I have dwarf-like beard.
 
@TonyTheTiger so the "beast" described in the bible isn't a bonobo?
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger That, too, was from a song. But you guys are way to young for that. You might have to ask your parents.
 
@StackedCrooked It's numberwang!
 
@StackedCrooked I haven't ever read the bible, cover to cover, so wouldn't know
 
11:22 PM
@CatPlusPlus aha! indeed!
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus No way. Those are whiskers!
 
@sbi yea, like I have said, I suck at history
 
@TonyTheTiger I didn't read it cover to cover, but I read most of it. (Pro tip: it's a dragon)
Actually, I'm not sure it's a dragon..
 
@StackedCrooked wow! that's impressive
 
The Beast != satan
 
11:23 PM
It's Balrog.
 
satan == the dragon
 
Pft, Balrog is way cooler than a common dragon.
 
Well, I forgot most of it.
 
@StackedCrooked I can only think about "Beauty and The Beast" when I hear about The Beast
 
I'm no longer Christian, thank God.
4
 
sbi
11:24 PM
@CatPlusPlus Actually those where invented only a couple of millenniums later.
 
That sounds like a contradiction..
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked I almost had to wipe my monitor over that!
 
@StackedCrooked the irony of that statement :P
 
Not the first, not the last.
 
11:25 PM
I only became a Christian because I was in love with a girl from church.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked And then you un-became a Christian because you were in love with a girl from where?
 
Basement.
 
If a man ever starts behaving strange, like becoming religious, then the reason is usually a girl.
@sbi A girl from church. Actually I went to church because my parents told me to. I only started to go willingly after I met her.
 
hahah
 
@sbi Ah, I misunderstood.
 
11:27 PM
We got that part.
 
I fell in love with a girl once...
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked And ten years later you started to learn that you can meet girls at other places, too, right?
 
but that's about where it stayed
 
I stopped going to church after feeling high from certain medication. I discovered that experiencing the "holy spirit" was indistinguishable from a high caused by medical substance. (Not kidding here.)
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Just repeat the experience, then you can say "twice". "Once" sounds so meek.
@StackedCrooked Actually, I doubt that this is a common reason.
 
11:30 PM
@sbi It wasn't the only reason, but it was the thing that caused the tipping point.
 
@sbi yea well, I happen to be a loner
 
sbi
@Stacked: I listened into a few more songs. I guess the guy somewhat reminds me of Morrissey. But I seem to be unable to appreciate that tonight. maybe some other day.
 
@sbi The most important reason was that I did not have the freedom to think.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger No boner as a loner, eh? :)
 
@sbi euh....
there's always the hand
 
11:31 PM
@sbi his music is mostly self mockery, you shouldn't take it too seriously
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Did I mention he remembers me of Morrissey?
 
Loners have no boners?
@sbi I'm not familiar with Morrissey.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked You don't know The Smiths?
 
@StackedCrooked euh... we're still human and have feelings too
 
@sbi Aha! Yes!
 
11:32 PM
@StackedCrooked I resent that.
 
@sbi I agree his voice has a similar gayness.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger What's your hands got to do with feeling?
 
@CatPlusPlus I guess I found another loner, welcome to the club!
@sbi the hands have nothing to do with it
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Two lone cats.
 
@CatPlusPlus So do I
I may be loner, but that doesn't keep me from having a boner.
True story.
 
sbi
11:33 PM
Anyway, it's time to go to bed now.
G'night!
 
hey, I just cracked open another beer
 
Dynamite.
Oh wait.
 
Anyway, g'night @sbi!
 
@StackedCrooked which beer?
 
11:34 PM
Jupiler :)
 
@StackedCrooked :)
 
@TonyTheTiger Jupiler causes the least headache of most common beers here.
Taste is OK.
 
@StackedCrooked not when you've had 15 :(
 
I used drink Stella, but they give headache x3.
 
11:35 PM
yea but Stella is like piss
 
@TonyTheTiger Well, 15 x Jupiler produces less headeache than 15 x other bear.
 
I don't like beer.
 
you're weird
 
Don't drink bears.
 
@CatPlusPlus do you like anything else?
 
11:35 PM
It might be hazardous.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked <speaking_with_toothbrush> Oh, I almost forgot... I ran into Sarah Blasko's music last night. If you like that Lekman thing, you might want to check her out. </speaking_with_toothbrush>
 
@sbi Alright, I'll check her out.
 
Well, the only alcoholic things I've ever drank are beer and vodka.
 
@StackedCrooked he likes the internet
 
Listing to Sarah Blasko "All I want" right now.
 
11:36 PM
@CatPlusPlus ironic isn't it?
 
Internet is more addicting than alcohol.
 
@TonyTheTiger No, why would it be ironic? :P
 
I'm not too fond of alcohol, anyway.
 
@CatPlusPlus cuz you said you don't like beer
 
11:37 PM
@sbi Sara blasko sounds familiar to another singer... (can't remember her name right now..)
 
@TonyTheTiger Yeah, I've tried and decided I don't really like it. :P
 
@CatPlusPlus oh I see
 
I only started drinking regularly at age 26 or so.
 
Well, me about a year ago, but I hardly drink regularly.
 
Before that I didn't really like alc either.
Before that I was a christian :)
@sbi do you like Katie Melua?
He's probably gone off to sleep now.
Either way, last six monhs I've been listening almost exclusively to Yuki Kajiura's music.
I guess I have obsessive tendencies :)
I guess everyone's off to sleep now?
 
11:44 PM
I probably should.
 
Damn it's getting late. Need to get up around 7:30..
 
It's only in 5 hours.
 
@CatPlusPlus some sleep is better than no sleep (that's my slogan)
Sleep is overestimated anyway,.
 
sbi
 
If you want to hear some great music you should check out "Le Portrait de Petit Cossette".
@sbi yes, I like that song very much
However "Feeling 22, acting 17" doesn't mean much to me...
It pretty much the same.
 
11:52 PM
Sweet. My rank changed +37518 so far this month :)
I guess that doesn't mean much though - a lot of chaff users for sure...
Does anyone know why rep is capped at 200 per day?
 

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