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12:46 AM
hello folks
 
1:39 AM
@Fred, @Charles: A variable is introduced by the declaration (of a reference other than a non-static data member) or (of an object).
int var1; int &var2; struct A { int not_var3; int &not_var4; static int var5; static int &var6; };
 
1:57 AM
I get downvoted and then notice the joke answer gets upvoted, stackoverflow.com/questions/5013827/c-based-make-system
SO is a joke
 
 
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4:17 AM
@sbi , @DeadMG: dead keys are awesome :) right-alt-t-m => ™, ralt-dash-dash-dash => —, ralt-s-o => §
 
 
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sbi
7:48 AM
@AlfPSteinbach Yes, after he said that this was the culprit, I thought so, too. However, with the question pointing at at the new operator crashing, I was concentrating on why new would crash. And in 20 years I have only seen one reason for this to happen: heap corruption.
 
Well, extensive memory leaks can also cause new to throw, but a c++ exception.
 
throw != crash
 
hence why I was specific
 
sbi
@ThomasEdleson These won't work with my German keyboard. (Alt-T opens FF's Tools menu, RightAlt+T Opens a new tab. It's downhill from there.)
 
well, you have to configure it for you :) I use right-alt
 
sbi
7:56 AM
@ThomasEdleson He got a sigabort. True, that could have been caused by std::bad_alloc not being caught. I hadn't considered that either. <sigh/> Maybe I deserve the amount of bashing I get from that guy.
@ThomasEdleson I don't understand.
 
if you want to use a dead key, you can configure it however you need; right-alt is just what I happen to use
I'm talking about it being supported at the OS or other software level, rather than in the keyboard (I don't even know what keyboard support is like for this)
 
sbi
@ThomasEdleson Is that on Windows? How do you configure that? (RightAlt is quite needed on a German keyboard. For example, I need it to type the backslash.)
 
no, I'm on linux, but I've used something similar on windows in years past; couldn't tell you where to find it though, except perhaps something in the control panel
at the time, I used it on windows mainly for accents like á, è, etc.
so I'm not sure if it even supports things like ¥, ℠, ½, etc.
 
sbi
@ThomasEdleson I wouldn't know where to start looking.
 
8:39 AM
@sbi Well, when I ask you why smoke is pouring out from under the hood of the car, naturally you will assume that it's something that could produce smoke. Later, when I clarify that I was trying to drive the car with two wheels missing, and that the smoke was only how I imagined it would have to be to make the car not work, you might come to some different conclusion. However, on the third hand, given the photo of the car you might see the missing wheels anyway, yes?
 
sbi
8:50 AM
@AlfPSteinbach Might I point out to you that you saw the missing wheels after he had told us about them? :)
 
@sbi no. i didn't read his answer. i read it afterwards and saw no mention of the sizeof, rather instead some rambling about using "proper" do-while instead of for. i think the claim about him having actually found out what was wrong, was no better than earlier information from him, a misinterpretation of his own results.
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Well, his answer made it pretty obvious to me what was wrong.
 
@sbi anyway, i can understand your answering as you did. it is difficult to deal with question that appear to be clear but are really confused. but i have often encountered that in teaching. like "maybe this is due to Windows's hiding of file extensions?" "No, I've turned that off". "hm, ok, but let's *check*". and lo, it's not turned off. so on.
 
people seem to get downright nasty when they perceive someone resolved an ambiguity (always one introduced by the original poster) incorrectly
 
sbi
9:13 AM
@ThomasEdleson I tend to agree, only I think that "nasty" is maybe a bit too tame to describe this guy...
 
it's discouraging for everyone, regardless
 
sbi
@ThomasEdleson "The rep you kept referring to I got by answering C++ questions in a way others liked, in my own time, because I enjoyed doing so. You, OTOH, have pulled just about every trick in the book to take the joy out of it. So I will rather spend my times playing with the kids, mawing the lawn, reading a book, or whatever I like, than explaining something to someone who doesn't want to learn." My comment to stackoverflow.com/questions/5058831.
 
9:30 AM
yeah, unfortunately things are better off when that is left unsaid
where I comletely understand where something like chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/361155#361155 comes from
 
@sbi I think you don't deserve to be treated the way you are by that guy in the question you're referring to. Don't take that from anybody. They should be happy they can get help from experts like yourself without needing to pay for it, if they don't like it, then that is obviously their problem.
 
sbi
9:48 AM
@ThomasEdleson Obviously, I disagree.
@Tony Oh yeah, great idea, why don't you all caress my beaten ego! :)
 
@sbi wasn't meant like that
 
sbi
@Tony Oh well. It was worth a try. ;o)
 
:)
 
could I get another pair of eyes on whether the parentheses in stackoverflow.com/questions/5063706/c-namespace-ambiguity/… work as I've said? comeau rejects codepad.org/fUqAnYCa similarly to gcc, and my reading of the standard supports that, but I'm not entirely sure
 
sbi
10:13 AM
@ThomasEdleson No chance from me. I never even heard of that curious parentheses syntax.
 
@ThomasEdleson what about this: codepad.org/m1LiZIGo
 
@Tony what about it? that's a qualified name so ADL doesn't apply
 
oh ok, not sure what it is you're trying to fix
 
10:28 AM
not trying to fix any code, just trying to ascertain whether it is correct that (f)(...) disables the ADL that would happen with f(...)
 
not sure
 
10:43 AM
so can you put a std::pair inside a std::list?
pair defined as std::pair<struct, boost::shared_ptr<T> >
 
std::list<std::pair<Something,boost::shared_ptr<T> > > works_fine;
 
my compiler complains about the struct not having a operator== taking a left side operand of type 'mystruct'
and it's referring to it in the context of this list
 
> CUtlMap<char[50],int> ExtraData [MAX_ABILITY_LEVELS];
An array of maps with char[50] as the key type, really? Why can't people just use vectors and strings?
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Q: Large Dynamic MultiDimensional Array Not Working

RingMy code that I have is quite large and complicated so I won't waste your time reading it, but you're going to have to make certain assumtions about variables in it as a result. I will tell you the values of the variables which I have confirmed in the debugger so you know with certainty. Know that...

 
@FredOverflow not knowing the language well enough or just not having read a proper C++ book
like me in the beginning
 
@Tony do you have a test case? it sounds like you're using == directly yourself or indirectly through something not from list, and of course you can't do that unless the type has == overloaded
 
10:50 AM
Does the type have == overloaded?
 
@FredOverflow the struct does not have operator== overloaded
 
Then the usage is restricted, of course. You cannot use std::find, for example. Maybe that's what you're trying to do?
 
I'm only adding & taking items out of that list
 
Show us the code that triggers the error.
 
I wish I knew what triggered the error, if I double click the error it points me to this: (not my code)
template<class _Ty1,
	class _Ty2> inline
	bool __cdecl operator==(const pair<_Ty1, _Ty2>& _Left,
		const pair<_Ty1, _Ty2>& _Right)
	{	// test for pair equality
	return (_Left.first == _Right.first && _Left.second == _Right.second);
	}
maybe it's the assignment of a pair instance to another?
I've done that
 
10:56 AM
something is instantiating pair's ==, which requires each type in the pair to have an ==
it should not be caused by assignment
 
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Q: java and c++ objective questions and answers

user496789hi guys, i need some objective type question in java and c++

LOL, best "question" ever.
 
Hahahahah :p
 
11:08 AM
The error I got is from trying to remove a std::pair from my list using std::list.remove(somepair);
 
For the objective type, I would use int, for question in java and C++... that's tough, so I will go for one in each: Java System.out.println("How are you?");, and in C++: std::cout << "and you?";
@Tony There you have it... you are asking the list to find an element equals to the argument (== required!) and remove it.
If you don't want/cannot add a comparison operator to your type, use std::list<>::remove_if with a functor that uses whatever comparison you require.
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas yea so I'll just overload the operator==
 
When reading errors, it is important to see where the actual error is, but also backtrack to understand why it is. If the compiler complains about STL internals, it is most probably due to how you use it, so backtrack to what triggers the error from your code
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas operator overloads should be friend functions right?
 
Nothing "should be friend" (well, some things, but few). If you can declare it without making it friend it will be better (less coupling)
 
11:17 AM
so you mean as part of the struct
 
Operators should be free functions, better than member functions, as that enables the compiler to perform the same conversions on both sides of the operator, but if you don't need to grant friendship, there is no reason to do it
struct test { int x; };
bool operator==( test const& lhs, test const& rhs ) {
return lhs.x == rhs.x;
}
No friendship required there
 
but how does the compiler know that this operator== is for struct test?
 
friendship neither increases nor decreases coupling
 
can it deduce that by the args passed to it?
 
@Tony it is found through overload resolution, as it has parameters of type 'test'
 
11:22 AM
@ThomasEdleson I disagree that friendship neither increases or decreases coupling
 
the world would be a boring place if everyone agreed with me! :)
 
if you befriend a class inside another, it means you now have access to that class's private parts, so that increases these class's coupling
it would be a boring place, if we all just agreed
 
does that mean reinterpret_casting a pointer to get access to private parts doesn't increase coupling?
no friendship required
 
reinterpret_cast is nasty...
 
I can even do it with a weird quirk of inheritance and pointers to data members which circumvents accessibility and doesn't use reinterpret_cast
it is accessing those names which increases coupling, not friendship
 
11:25 AM
then why not just make it public?
 
an == is about as closely coupled to a class as you can get, regardless of whether it's a friend
struct test { int x, y; }; bool operator==( test const& lhs, test const& rhs ) { return lhs.x == rhs.x; } // oops!
 
@ThomasEdleson Friendship is the strongest coupling relationship in C++, more so than inheritance. The line is from some Herb Sutter article in the past, and previous experience. Technically I agree, it does not add coupling per se, but if you declare that operator as friend, and then someone adds some private fields to the struct that have a counterpart in the interface (accessor), because the operator is friend people (I have seen this) will access the details rather than the accessor
Then someone will change some detail while maintaining the interface (why were we not caching that value before?) and that will mean that the previous operator that used the detail will not be broken and will need revisiting
 
people do stupid things with all language constructs, the problem is often not with the language construct
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if you don't declare that operator as a friend and someone adds some fields (regardless of those fields' accessibility), you're just as likely to break the == as in your scenario
 
Friendship does not increase coupling, but not using it gives you better chances of programmers not increasing coupling on their own. That is the reason for "avoid friendship" advice, just to keep in mind that if you can do without it, you should.
 
"avoid friendship" is misguided and actively harmful
I people misunderstand it to add public accessors/setters that shouldn't be there, for example
"avoid coupling" is what should be said, but as I said, == is already about as highly coupled as you can possibly get
 
11:32 AM
While the article deals about inheritance, the author states that friendship is the most coupling relationship.
 
he has the good advice earlier on: "Always minimize coupling"
friendship, more often than not, is a symptom of coupling, but it is not the cause
 
Right, there is a fine line where my comment can be misinterpreted as "offer public accessors" which is clearly worse than frienship. Granted there :)
 
I suppose "avoid friendship" is attractive to use as advice because it's something that can be concretely measured by everyone
just check if you use "friend" in the source
while "avoid coupling" can't as easily be measured, especially by people that need the advice the most
 
The thing, clear in my mind, not so in what I write, is that there is an order of wrong-doings, where adding friendship is at one level and offering accessors is at a different. In my mind all this simple sentences are filled with extra information: "avoid friendship" is interpreted as "avoid friendship unless that means doing something in a worse category" --where offering accessors is
I will try to be more explicit in the future
 
11:39 AM
@DavidRodríguezdribeas why not just say "avoid coupling"? no disclaimer needed
 
Will try in the future :)
 
"avoid (unnecessary) coupling"
@DavidRodríguezdribeas sorry if it felt like I was picking on you, it's perhaps more a pet peeve of mine how easy it is to slip into giving advice that works well once you understand the concept, but can't be applied by and only sounds good to those that don't understand it
 
No, you are absolutely right
 
hello @JohannesSchaublitb!
 
11:48 AM
ohhh!
 
12:06 PM
oh hai
 
12:16 PM
@DavidRodríguezdribeas was that about c++, or?
 
 
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2:58 PM
<fart>
 
oh smelly
 
sorry, but three hours of silence can only be ended with a fart
 
heheh lol
prob nothing to say for at least 3 hrs
@thecoshman what you up to?
 
fair enough, another three hours of silence?
 
no
 
3:00 PM
Craig Ferguson: let's end today on an awkward pause
 
hahahah
 
@Tony right now, raging at Google!
Just waited ages for a PDF to crawl up to the servers, counting the bits as they leave my computers. Even though it can tell me how much it has uploaded out of how the total file size, it waits till the end to tell me that I can't upload files that big!!! RAGE
 
http protocol issue
 
In general though, internaly shitting about how much Uni work needs to be done in such a short space of time when I have no care left for this course other than wanting it finished
 
or is it. ContentSize is a required header on uploads?
 
3:05 PM
@thecoshman it's like a public toilet where you don't discover until the end that the toilet paper costs $50 per page, and impossible to get out without paying
hm, is "page" the right word here?
 
@ChrisBecke it was telling me how much has uploaded out of how much is to upload? why wait! tell at the start it is too big
 
the web browser tells you how much is uploaded? or the site?
 
@ChrisBecke the web site it self!
 
"Alf I think TP comes in sheets.
although, if its cheap, you can refer to them as pieces or even fragments
 
and when you drop the roll in the mud while camping, refer to yourself as shit outta luck
@AlfPSteinbach the package here says "2-ply N sheets per roll"
 
3:15 PM
ah, "sheet". easy to remember. "shit" -> "sheet", of toilet paper. :-)
 
General question for the house here... who actually lives in a country that speak English as the main language... thinking UK, US and OZ etc. here
 
I have 13 official languages, english is one
 
@ChrisBecke What country has 13 official languages? That has got make your forms epicly huge
 
I do
 
3:21 PM
So three of us? I'm not sure if I count my self... even though I am English, have the English skills of a potato; post mashing
 
Sorry
I miscounted by 2
we only have 11
South Africa has eleven official languages. They are Afrikaans, English, Ndebele, Northern Sotho, Sotho, Swazi, Tswana, Tsonga, Venda, Xhosa and Zulu. Fewer than one percent of South Africans speak a first language other than the eleven listed above. Most South Africans can speak more than one language. Prior to 1994, South Africa had only two official languages, English and Afrikaans. The English version of the South African constitution refers to the languages by the names in those languages: isiZulu, isiXhosa, Afrikaans, Sepedi (referring to Northern Sotho), Setswana, English, Sesot...
 
3:41 PM
what would think if a (by profession) programmer told you that combinations and permutations were too hard for him to do?
 
what do you mean?
manually writing out all the combinations for a padlock that has 10 dials, each with one of 26 characters... that is dam hard
hmm... even if you could some how write ten characters a second... you would still need to live for thousands of years working non stop... so yer hard
hell, that would take a computer a moment to do
 
no, I meant write an algo
not write it out by hand
and I don't care how long a computer needed to do it
 
3:58 PM
what? hard to get a computer to do what I just described? the programmer needs a dam good thrashing if that's the case
 
I find hard to remember what are permutations and combinations, but given a definition...
 
yes get a computer to do what you describe
yea you're given all the definitions etc
so you should be able to turn that into an algo, or am I expecting too much here, if you're a programmer by profession
 
what, you mean, have ten variables, one for each dial. set them to an initial value, increase the lowest one. each time you increase a dial, check if it is should roll over to the next dial. output the value of the ten variables each iteration. check when the dials are equal to the termination sequence?
oh that's very hard, anyone who can do that should rule the world ¬_¬
 
4:14 PM
I mean combinations, you know
In mathematics a combination is a way of selecting several things out of a larger group, where (unlike permutations) order does not matter. In smaller cases it is possible to count the number of combinations. For example given three fruit, an apple, orange and pear say, there are three combinations of two that can be drawn from this set: an apple and a pear; an apple and an orange; or a pear and an orange. More formally a k-combination of a set S is a subset of k distinct elements of S. If the set has n elements the number of k-combinations is equal to the binomial coefficient : \binom nk...
 
4:46 PM
ok some things are better left unsaid: (or maybe not)
 
lol
 
5:16 PM
hi guys! what's the best way to find the position of the largest element of an array? I think this (pastebin.com/JWN4k5dH) is the 'standard' way, but I don't like it much.. :)
 
either that, or as you add things to the array, keep track of what is the largest
 
so that's the best way? nothing better??
 
that would mean that you have constant time for finding the largest... the fastest way to do something is not have to do it
 
@PigBen except library functions..
 
5:19 PM
Why would you not use library functions? Is this for school?
 
bar checking neatly if you only have one element, that is basically doing the same
 
@PigBen yep. they taught this today but I don't like this solution..
 
what don't you like about it?
 
it looks too.. trivial and stupid.. @Tony: haha! i knew i needed recursion! =)
 
5:24 PM
You could always store you data in a tree. Just a case of getting the 'right child node' untill this is the last node, assuming you put the higher value on the right hand node
 
right.. this didn't come to my mind..
 
but if your data is in an array, and it is not sorted, well... your own fault I guess. if you know want to to use the data in some sort of order, keep it ordered.
I am having serious problems trying to get Eular angles from a rotation matrix
 
@BlackBear It's a trivial problem, and requires a trivial solution. Unless, like thecoshman said, your array is already sorted, the best solution is the function you presented(though you should probably return a value)
 
getting numbers that just don't make sense
 
@PigBen i understand.. ups, right, i've forgotten that return.. :)
@thecoshman looked on wikipedia.. quite a messy thing.. ; b
 
5:42 PM
@BlackBear Another correction. You are testing if(a[i] > max). You're comparing the value a[i] to the index max. Should be if(a[i] > a[max])
 
i'm getting stupid things like rotation around the z-axis changing the z-value... which it just cant
 
@PigBen you're right again :) i mixed 2 similar things..
 
Xeo
@thecoshman then you sure aren't rotating around z
 
@thecoshman but which of the 12 cases are you trying?
 
6:08 PM
@thecoshman: I had this exact problem
apparently it's just a mathematical fact that this stuff happens
 
I am trying to rotate around x then z then x
care to let me talk through my workings?
 
user379888
Please tell me why my answer has been voted -4
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4534734/want-to-add-an-integer-in-all-the-indexes-of-the-integer-array/4547134#4547134
 
6:24 PM
@BlackBear: if you can't use the standard library, you might at least make it fun: int max_element(const int* data, int length, int xmax=0) { return 1 + (length ? max_element(data + 1, length - 1, max(make_pair(data[xmax], xmax), make_pair(*data, 0)).second - 1 : xmax);
 
@fahad I can't speak for anybody else, obviously, but I'd say probably just because it doesn't scale well to large array sizes.
 
@fahad he asked for a single statement. your answer has 4 statements on a single line.. delete your answer, at least you'll get a badge.. =)
 
@BlackBear: no, he has 1 statement
 
@ThomasEdleson you're right. misread , for ;
 
@fahad I avoid answering that type of question, and that's partly the reason: people will bicker over senseless things
 
user379888
6:27 PM
@JerryCoffin:but his problem is solved.I know that it is not a very good programming practise but his work is done
 
user379888
I agree that it is not the best way it could have been done but -4 and no comments is senseless
 
and also avoid giving any answer that I would say is "not a very good programming practice"; if it's not good advice, why would I give it?
 
user379888
@FredNurk:Its not a good advice but,his work is being done,so why not?
 
user379888
@FredNurk: you agree that it is perfectly legal in C++ to do that?
 
providing a good answer is more than just answering the question actually asked
 
6:30 PM
Added a comment, but i doubt it will help.
 
"perfectly legal" has very, very little to do with providing a good answer
 
@ThomasEdleson: fantastic way! but (i think) you forgot a )
and a }
 
user379888
@FredNurk: Nice advice, I would look forward to provide good answers rather than just answering.
 
yes, I did. the dryer ate them, my socks were dessert
 
@ThomasEdleson i love this solution! i was looking for a recursive one too..
 
6:32 PM
there are better recursive ones, that just stuck in my head for some reason
 
user379888
@thecoshman:Thanks.A month ago I had two downvotes and I posted a similar comment like you have posted and then "I got another -2" :P
 
@fahad FWIW, I don't downvote and part of the reason is the destructive nature you're seeing here, but I don't find that answer (or any of the others on that question) worth upvoting either
 
6:45 PM
is anyone familiar with asm here?
 
don't ask to ask, just ask; then you'll know
 
ah nothing, figured out.. :)
 
@BlackBear I like these problems :D
 
@thecoshman here it is :) pastebin.com/csaDuwMw
don't laugh at me, I know these things. tomorrow i'll have to explain to a friend of mine so i needed an example..
 
just remember:
21 hours ago, by FredOverflow
@BlackBear Studying assembly is great, but beware: x86 is the C++ of assembly languages ;) Full of special rules and backward compatibility stuff.
heh, the "@BlackBear" isn't included in the starred messages list (where I copied the URL)
 
6:56 PM
@FredNurk i knew someone remembers that post ; b
 
7:07 PM
@JerryCoffin: you want to chat here instead? though I was about to go make more coffee
@FredNurk @fahad an here's an example of that: stackoverflow.com/questions/5067856/… looking at it, it's clear to me it was a mistype, but it was incorrect. instead of getting it fixed, the other user jumps on the downvote+insult bandwagon
that replying to your own message thing needs to be fixed
 
oh hai guise
 
7:22 PM
@BlackBear You realized what the /= 4 is, right?
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas yes yes.. ;)
 
@FredNurk I'm fine with chatting here instead, if you prefer.
 
7:36 PM
what's that orange letter left to my user name?
 
8:13 PM
You've got to love this guy:
@James have to go will continue tommorow. Your answer is good but incorrect ;). See you tommorow. – There is nothing we can do 30 mins ago
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A: decltype in static_assert

James McNellisstd::is_same<decltype(low),decltype(high)>::type ^ do you mean 'value'? static_assert takes an boolean (or some constant expression that can be evaluated and converted to a boolean), not a type. The type traits have a static value data member t...

The guy writes a question with a single line of code, where the different identifiers are not described, so basically there is no information. Someone catches a potential problem, assuming what the identifiers are. Then the guy just comments: "good but incorrect"...
 
sbi
@ThomasEdleson What, did you actually go and have a look at it?!
@BlackBear ??
@DavidRodríguezdribeas Really, to spell it out: This guy is one of the assholes here on SO. (Generally, I'm very good at spelling things out. I'm bad at being diplomatic about it, though.)
I have marked him for "will not waste my time on his questions".
@Tony Actually, permutations are easy. That's what std::next_permutation is for. :)
 
8:29 PM
Hey guys
isn't copy_n() in C++0x?
g++ 4.5.1 doesn't have it. :-S
 
@sbi: the postcard (is it..?) icon, left to your user name.. haven't you got one?
 
sbi
@wilhelmtell I think it was one of those oversights. IIRC, I have once wrote one down for an answer here on SO. You might try finding it.
 
lol i think i can i can write copy_n()
but i just had a doubt because i don't see it in g++ so i thought, they couldn't possibly forget AGAIN to add to it to the standard!
fuck no no never mind, yes it is there.
i'm teh stooped
 
sbi
@BlackBear A that mandala. :) I think officially it's called a "gravatar". You can change it by registering an avatar with the email address you registered with SO. I think there's a link to the website where you can register it at the gravatar image on your page in SO.
 
lol
 
sbi
8:36 PM
@wilhelmtell I meant to make fun of your grammar there, but then I saw that I fucked up mine just as well...
 
gravatar? the icons belong to SO i think :!
lol
 
sbi
@wilhelmtell They are generated from your email address, I think, and if you haven't registered one then from your IP.
 
mm
i have a gravatar account and i think it's the same image as the SO one, so i can't tell what they're using.
 
sbi
Well, except if you register one with, what was it? gravatar.com?
 
@sbi i didn't mean that one. go to the question page of SO and look above. there are badges, rep, user name and a strange icon (i don't know its name, English is my second language)
 
8:39 PM
you know what's another oversight of the standard?
 
@sbi nature called, it was handy
 
Xeo
@BlackBear message icon?
 
that the vector and deque constructors can't range-initialize with n
 
yes.. it doesn't show anything useful to me..
only some responses..
 
Xeo
that's what it does
when someone @BlackBears you in a comment, that icon lights up
(if you're not the answer/question author on which the comment was made)
 
8:41 PM
oh, clear.. thanks =)
 
@BlackBear lol, I meant problems that sort them selves out. I only have a half baked idea of how to get stuff sorted with ASM
 
sbi
@BlackBear What on that are you referring to?
@BlackBear Ah, the responses icon! I see.
(And it's called an "envelope", I think.)
 
@everyone: if i wasn't clear, i mean this: img826.imageshack.us/i/schermatapq.png
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas I don't even know why I bother trying to answer his questions. It always just ends up being a waste of my time. What can I say... there is nothing we can do...
5
 
Xeo
8:57 PM
hm.... what was the correct order of multiplying matrices of a parent and child object?
 
sbi
@BlackBear If you use the "upload" button to the right of your message edit pane, your image will be uploaded to imgur.com and a single link placed in your message. This will then be inlined just as mine. I don't think this chat will inline imageshack.us links.
Nope.
 
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