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1:57 AM
Hi, I am planning on learning c++ when I came across D. Does anyone here feal that D might replace c++. Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this but i'm new here and I couldn't find a D Chat room.
 
@Ryanvolpi You couldn't find a D chat room because no one uses D ;-)
(Ok, ok, a few people use D, but the number is very, very small)
 
Is it ever supposed to take off?
 
D will never replace C++ just like C++ never replaced C.
 
Will anything ever replace c++ or will it just be improved
 
@Ryanvolpi The real question is this one: will D ever be successful and widely used? I don't know the answer to that question.
 
2:08 AM
How old is D?
 
@Ryanvolpi No. C++ is still going to be around in 20 years, just like FORTRAN is still around today.
@Ryanvolpi 10 years or so?
 
Who uses FORTRAN?
I've never even heard of it.
Ok, i've heard of it but never heard of anyone using it.
 
Or COBOL: "In 1997, the Gartner Group reported that 80% of the world's business ran on COBOL with over 200 billion lines of code in existence and with an estimated 5 billion lines of new code annually." (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobol#Legacy)
 
Good Point. But it would of been even better to have learned c++ when it came out because that's more commonly used nowadays.
D might be more commonly used in ten years from now.
Oh, and although I don't doubt your facts, wikipedia has never been the most reliable source.
                                                                                                                        Are you still there?
 
2:42 AM
@sbi: I thought @Johannes had such an insanely high rep because he knows the templates spec well enough to be able to recite it backwards in his sleep.
@Ryanvolpi I don't doubt those numbers. They may not be exactly correct, but they're roughly correct. There is an enormous amount of business and financial software running on COBOL out there.
 
Yes but there are better options than COBOL.
Or options considered better anyway.
Oh, and @sbi hasn't been on for 4 hours
Oh, and why did it take you 45 mins to respond?
Oh, and sorry I keep saying Oh
 
3:01 AM
@Ryanvolpi Yes, but he'll get notified of my message when he returns.
 
Oh, sorry, I didn't know that
 
@Ryanvolpi I don't sit at my desk just waiting for messages in Stack Overflow C++ Chat :-) While I try to avoid it as much as possible, I occasionally have work to do.
 
What are you working on?
 
Seriously?
Wait a second, are you making the it or using it?
 
3:18 AM
Yes, seriously.
 
But are you making it?
 
That is EPIC!!
 
4:12 AM
Anyone in here familiar with CList?
 
 
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5:51 AM
size_t being unsigned : an abomination unto Nuggan.
 
 
2 hours later…
7:28 AM
hello all folkz
 
Xeo
it's a litb, get into the car!
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but what's a litb (apart from johannes)?
@johannes can u explain to a retarded norwegian, please?
@Xeo ? (I'm sure it's funny but i don't get it. I know, it won't make me laugh when you have to explain it. But I just have to know about sort of everything).
 
Xeo
7:44 AM
@AlfPSteinbach Good question, it's just some habbit of mine, when somebody suddenly pops up. Like, imagine a zombie apocalypse: "Oh my god it's a zombie, get into the car!" where it would be safer
 
he he
thx
 
Xeo
hm... for a train oracle (insert start and goal, to find the shortest path with the least train line changes), the most appropriate would be a dijkstra, no?
 
probably A*
 
Xeo
i can't find any good heuristic to do that
i only have the relative distance between each station in minutes
 
geographical locations would help
 
Xeo
7:48 AM
well yeah, but it's for my c++ exam, and we only got an xml with the lines, each with it's stations and the relative time between one and the next
 
heuristic: for an exam you will not be expected to do anything fancy
 
Xeo
well yeah, but i can't think of any heuristic at all. and an A* without heuristic is just the same as a dijkstra IIRC
 
it appears so. i had to check in wikipedia, it's long ago; who can remember all these algorithm names?
 
Xeo
it's easy when you just learned them this semester ^^
 
8:03 AM
ideone.com/IrceJ ...i have some doubt related with this code
would someone like to clear my doubt
 
Xeo
variables don't get default initialized to 0. you need to do so yourself in the constructor
 
means i can get different value for i..next time if i have specify default c'tor in class
have not*
 
Xeo
yes
 
thank you
 
sbi
8:17 AM
@JamesMcNellis So I thought, too!
@Ryanvolpi So? (Were you trying to tell me anything?)
 
9:12 AM
@AlfPSteinbach "litb" means "let it be"
evil ones could say "litb" means "light bullshit"
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaublitb I see.. litb always sounded like the name of a library to me
 
all my pervert metaprograms are within litb::
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Xeo
eww, I love those. You always learn something new from them.
 
Xeo
care to show me some?
 
9:15 AM
dunno. they are all useless
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A: How to know if the argument that is passed to the function is a class, union or enum in c++?

Johannes Schaub - litbDetermining class types you could use the fact that member pointers exist template<typename A, typename B> struct issame { }; template<typename A> struct issame<A, A> { typedef void type; }; template<typename> struct tovoid { typedef void type; }; template<typename ...

 
Xeo
well, they may not be that useful, but the tricks you use are interesting indeed. I love the stuff one can do with templates if he knows how
argh. i got like 200 tabs open on SO... and the number just grows the more i read..
 
though my experience is that girls know the most pervert template tricks
 
Xeo
I feel like I'm on tvtropes ...
 
lol
"You know when you are addicted to SO when ... you need SO tabs like you need your Ecstasy pills."
 
Xeo
I'm not really addicted.. I just happen to middle-click on every link that seems interesting. Isn't limited to SO only...
 
9:22 AM
xD
poor incognito mode lol
 
9:43 AM
good morning
How are things in C++ land?
 
@FredNurk Are you saying std::pair<T, U> is fundamentally broken because it has two public data members? :)
@JamesMcNellis But Java replaced C++ 10 years ago already, right? ;)
@Ryanvolpi Who cares? If D will be more important in 10 years than C++, you have plenty of time to learn both languages.
Nine years to learn C++ and one additional year to learn D ;)
@Nils Undefined as always ;)
 
hehe ;)
 
Xeo
9:58 AM
Yay, I finally cleared up all my open SO tabs \o/
 
sbi
@Xeo I've been avoiding that for more than a week now. They're in the three-digit range by now, and I had to restart FF two times in the mean time, because they slowed it down to a crawl...
 
Xeo
I just had too. And I also needed to force myself not to open anymore links. I need to finish up my exam :|
 
lol
yes the web addiction
 
Xeo
But this chat is really nasty. It always pop-ups the interesting links in the feed...
I'll go then, else I won't ever finish my exam....
 
sbi
10:18 AM
@Xeo I noticed that my rep curve got a notable dent when I hit the chat. :)
 
10:39 AM
wow @JohannesSchaublitb is very close to 100k rep! pretty impressive
us mere mortals don't get that far!! haha :)
 
@Tony Now he's there :)
 
@FredOverflow I guess I have lot of catching up to do
 
10:55 AM
@Tony Yeah, my next milestone is a mere 20k...
 
Xeo
quick question about boost::shared_ptr ... it wouldn't be wise to use them in a map of structs, which are like this

struct myStruct{
std::string name_;
std::map<std::string, myStruct*> connected_structs_;
};
with possible circular reference, huh?
 
no, would not be wise
 
Xeo
thought so, damn
 
you could in principle use boost::weak_ptr but would only introduce inefficiency, no gain
so, place ownership somewhere else, and use raw pointers for references ;-)
 
Xeo
hm... then i'll leave the shared_ptr in my big map<string, myStruct*> allStructs
 
11:01 AM
or you could in principle use Boost graph library
but i think it's just overly complicated
on the other hand, i haven't actually used it
consider something like
struct Node
{
    string name;
    int id;
    // bla blah possibly constructor etc.
};
then
std::map< int, vector< int > > connectedNodes;
like
 
sbi
@FredOverflow It's 100002 right now. very tempting to downvote one of his answers...
@Tony You can get that far. The trouble is that those who already are will then be even further ahead of you...
 
@sbi you have a point :)
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach typedef int id_t
@Tony No, you just gave me 15 of them!
 
@sbi i would just say typedef int Id ;-) but thx.
 
Xeo
hmm.. resetting the root node of a tree out of boost::shared_ptrs should delete the whole tree, no?
 
11:16 AM
@Xeo: only if the reference count drops to 0 for all objects, but that's the point of shared_ptr, isn't it?
 
Xeo
I'm just thinking, that it basically should do so, without circular references or the likes
 
If you're using shared_ptrs you are probably sharing the objects, are you sure you don't share them in this case?
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach (In fact, I would use whatever is the agreed-on coding style in the project that's part of. If I'm on my own, I'd use the standard_lib_convention, though.)
 
Xeo
why, oh why doesn't a std::stack provide clear()? :(
 
oh hai
 
11:22 AM
@Xeo because you can do s = MyStack()?
 
Xeo
Oh... sure..
 
@Xeo he he. actually i was surprised when someone answered that in response to someone else's question. i had been thinking about otherwise idiomatic MyStack().swap( s ), except that in C++98 there's no swap method...
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach What about MyStack().swap(s)?
@AlfPSteinbach Ah, never mind...
 
@Tony To get those rep numbers (or even any 5 digit rep value) you need to invest a lot of time on SO. And I mean A LOT.
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas yea I can imagine, but you also need to have the knowledge to answer these questions
what do you guys think about this IBM Watson cluster?
anyone around here interested in AI?
 
11:47 AM
If you have been around SO for a while, you end up valuing some of the users for their responses rather than their rep. In particular litb is some kind of a genius, and I can only remember one or two questions back two years ago where he made slight mistakes --that were later corrected.
And then there are answers from very reputed users that are (how to state it politely...bullshit is not polite is it?) less than perfect but provide rep.
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A: Why does C++ use pointers?

Alex MartelliAll other languages you mention (and you forgot, at least, Java!!!), while each very useful and usable, don't let you get anywhere as close to the machine as C++ (and C) allow: simply put, all of those languages impose on you a higher level of abstraction... which may mostly be fine but will occa...

That particular answer got 46 upvotes, 2 downvotes (including mine) and was accepted... basically 471 rep points.
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas why did you downvote it?
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas i think when you downvote, please add a comment explaining the downvote. some earlier thing you said lead me to believe that you think "-1" as comment is an alternative to downvote. maybe i have misunderstood, but at least i add a "-1" comment to explain my downvote
 
The problem in the answer --which should be clear for a 150k rep person-- is that java has pointers, it just doesn't have pointer arithmetic, and offers garbage collection... but the answer is unrelated to the question. C++ uses pointers because it needs to be able to refer to other objects, just like Java uses references.
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas yes, java has pointers by definition (language spec). although the Python crowd will never accept that. ;-)
 
@AlfPSteinbach :) I have evolved... This is quite old, I currently don't downvote unless it is outwardly wrong and they fail to correct it after the comments
 
11:57 AM
@DavidRodríguezdribeas oh well. i remove downvote when answer is corrected to smoethign corect
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach I will remove my (mental) downvote to that messages after you have corrected your typo. :)
 
@AlfPSteinbach :) I started doing that, but at the end I just found out that I don't have enough time to review. When I found that I had left some downvotes (old questions) after they had been corrected I adopted this other approach
And that question is just the first I found (I do recall others from the same 150k user being as outwardly wrong... interestingly, while I do remember user names for the value they provide in answers, this is the only user that I remember by name as having useless answers --not all, only some)
 
I don't answer many questions cause I'm not certain to get the right answer and I don't want a ripping from other users that do know the answer
 
12:43 PM
gone quiet again....
 
12:56 PM
@Tony: Making wrong answers is the best way to learn
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trust me
a lot of the stuff I've learned about C++, I learned by making bad answers
 
@DeadMG it prob is!
 
it's better than asking questions, in many respects
 
hmmm I guess I should answer more questions then
 
posting a bad answer is the quickest way to get everyone critiquing your code
although I guess that these days, there's codereview.stackexchange.com for that
 
1:23 PM
can you overload operator() so it takes args?
 
@Tony yes, whatever you want
 
so you'd then use it instance(args)?
 
yes
however, operator[] is different kind of beast
 
1:54 PM
0
Q: EnterCriticalSection Deadlock

Eric MHaving what appears to be a dead-lock situation with a multi-threaded logging application. Little background: My main application has 4-6 threads running. The main thread responsible for monitoring health of various things I'm doing, updating GUIs, etc... Then I have a transmit thread and a ...

does the (++I) in his function call not cause UB?
 
2:07 PM
@Tony Uhm... why would it?
 
er, why?
 
IIRC, ++ has no sequence point, so order of execution of expression, but I might be wrong, which it sounds like
 
The UB around ++i, or i++ is when more than one modification of the same var happens with no separating sequence points
gdb->Print(++I); modifies I only once (and the ; stablishes a sequence point that separates it from the next copy of the same)
 
oh ok
thx for clarifying :)
 
x = i++ + ++i; is UB because i is modified twice in the same expression
 
2:12 PM
oh yea... now I remember :)
5000 rep wooo!!!! :) hahah
 
sbi
@Tony Cong-rats and other rodents!
 
@Tony yay!
 
@sbi & @FredOverflow thx :)
becoming a rep whore! lol
 
that is something that gets cured with time (or 10k rep, when there is nothing else you will earn from getting more rep) And I must say I found the admin tools a little disappointing... all that time waiting to get to where I could "admin" and then I have never actually used the tools for anything
(vote to close is nice, but that is much earlier, isn't it?)
 
sbi
@DavidRodríguezdribeas Wasn't there some feature added recently that's only accessible when you get to 20k?
 
2:36 PM
uhm... so we can vote to delete closed questions?
 
 
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3:45 PM
at the end of the day, n00bs exhibit undefined behaviour! :)
 
no
 
yes
shall have a discussion about n00bs?
 
no
 
how is the stomach?
 
ok, for now
the main trouble is getting in the food that it won't complain about
and it's the bowel, not the stomach
 
3:58 PM
oh man, that must be annoying
 
yes
because I have to eat the same every day with no exceptions
which is OK or me, personally, it's just hard to get the stuff in
 
Bananas Rice Soup and Apple Sauce..... woot
 
lol
 
Amazingly, I can fit yogurt..... which happens to be odd, since you'd expect that to be enemy no. 1
You could take option number 2....... hospital sugar drip
intro venus ly
 
@AlfPSteinbach really having a time with tina in their room... hahah
 
4:09 PM
Is that to give someone with 15k rep something to look forward to, or is that to lighten the load on moderators.

At this rate moderating will be absorbed into high rep populus
 
sbi
@Xaade I think it's both. (Note that in multi-line messages markdown becomes morkdown/letdown, i.e., it doesn't work. I think that's why your message referencing mine failes to spell out my nick.)
 
couldn't I do this?
Referencing your post

@sbi
Did that work?
@sbi Or this

Does it work?
 
@Tony i think she has come a long way. what i'm doing is very similar to how things are done at some norwegian colleges. it works.
 
sbi
4:28 PM
@Xaade That worked, but only because you explicitly added my nick. (chat.stackoverflow.com/messages/358349/history)
When I came here, I used multi-lines a lot, too, but soon stopped, because it just doesn't really work.
 
what were all those put-code-on-web sites again?
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach ??
 
@AlfPSteinbach pastebin?
 
thanks. i found codepad.org
 
Xeo
@AlfPSteinbach that and ideone.com
 
4:36 PM
@Xeo thx
 
@AlfPSteinbach well you have a lot of patience
 
Is C++ tina's first language?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow I doubt her mother spoke C++ to her when she was a baby.
 
I mean programming language, of course :)
 
sbi
Dammit, the system strikes again, deleting the newbie hints. Can one of those room owners who hadn't previously pinned chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=124922#124922 please do so?
 
4:45 PM
@AlfPSteinbach I have not played with them much, but I found ideone better than codepad (codepad seems to include a whole lot of headers by default, and includes a 'using namespace std'
 
sbi
(You know you have already done so when, after clicking on the down arrow left of the message, you see "unpin this message".)
 
@sbi I see "unpin" :(
 
I just realized that I am an owner? at the very least I can see the "unpin" message
 
sbi
Wow, I have been twittered. (Or whatever is the analogy to "slashdotted" for twitter?)
Truth: "The STL has proven that abstraction and efficiency can be achieved both at the same time. Before the STL nobody believed that" — sbi
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas i was an owner i think but i don't see any "pinup"
 
sbi
4:50 PM
(Thanks to @Konrad who made me aware of this.)
 
I think they call it "twitted"... this weird technologies...
 
sbi
I don't even know this guy. Obviously, many of those of us on twitter are following him. Who is this?
@James: Apparently you know him. Who is pipelone?
Oh, google found it. it's @wilhelmtell!
 
What's the point of twitter?
 
sbi
@FredOverflow For me it's a way to get information.
Jan 29 at 22:36, by sbi
If you wonder why we have so many room owners: This room was originally created by one or more users who later disappeared, so that it became orphaned and a new C++ room was setup by other users. A moderator objected against two C++ rooms. He transferred ownership of the older C++ room to those who had created the new room (which then was left to die).
Jan 29 at 22:37, by sbi
Since then it is somewhat of a room policy to turn regulars into owners (and, of course, to remove those no longer here from the list of owners), to prevent this from happening again.
@David That's from the newbie hints.
 
5:09 PM
@sbi lol
 
5:21 PM
That means that I became an owner and I am yet be a newbie
 
sbi
@DavidRodríguezdribeas No no. I only recently added this to the newbie hints, so those of us who have been around here for some time and wouldn't read the newbie hints would be likely to miss my little essay on this room's (pre-)history. :)
 
Apparently the rule doesn't apply on usernames that start with "wilhelm" and end with "tell". :p
though admittedly I haven't been particularly active here in the past month.
which you'd think is a good thing for my productivity. but no. i found a way to ruin it still. spent my time on stackoverflow instead. :p
@sbi funny, googling "pipelone stackoverflow" doesn't yield anything relevant from here (Canada).
 
sbi
5:36 PM
@wilhelmtell It's "pipelone" stackoverflow, actually, and I'm using google.com.
@wilhelmtell Which rule?
 
Hmmm..... can't star newbie hints?
 
sbi
Dammit that morkdown is really annoying!
Ah, now I got it.
 
just repost the message and pin that
 
sbi
@Xaade It's pinning which is needed, not starring. And reposting would make it lose all the important looking stars. I wouldn't want that. :)
 
how do you pin
there's no option for me
 
sbi
5:40 PM
You need to be a room owner.
 
Oh yeah, @brianrbondy's StackOverflow/Twitter mapping list. :)
 
I'm not a room owner yet?
I need to get to a K..... I don't have even a K yet..... 450.... :(
 
sbi
@wilhelmtell That, too, is good. However, your SO user page must have been a few hits before that.
 
@Xaade supposedly it's not the rep but the activity here.
 
I'm very active.... I piss sbi off all the time.
 
5:43 PM
@sbi maybe it's the big firewall of canada the censors things out :p
oh way, yes, search result #8
 
@wilhelmtell It's the only way people in canada will keep believing things are good in canada......
 
lol better laugh than cry!
@Xaade lol
 
sbi
@Xaade Huh?
 
Fine, you've forgotten.
How's this
I don't like exceptions.
C++ is not an OO language.
Templates are redundant.
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas OH HAI!
 
sbi
5:50 PM
@Xaade Oh, another newbie trying to be grumpy. Young novice, you have way to learn to reach a proper level of grumpiness.
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Q: What emoticons can you put into class names in your language?

Chris GillI've just had a "discussion" with a developer about naming classes in C#. My final throw away line was, "Let's not put any emoticons in our class names." I can't think of a way you could put emoticons in C# class names, but I haven't thought too hard about it. Is this possible? Does any progra...

 
(this chat client should really find a way to make it more obvious what people are replying too)
 
sbi
@wilhelmtell You mean other than the highlighting, the name, and the link?
 
@wilhelmtell other than like this?
 
the link is a tiny arrow in light gray. yes, other than that.
and the highlighting and name only get your attention, not say what's the context.
 
@Xaade its not a case of liking or disliking exceptions. Its a case of knowing they represent bad design practices
 
sbi
5:52 PM
1 min ago, by wilhelmtell
(this chat client should really find a way to make it more obvious what people are replying too)
@wilhelmtell If you want, you can also quote an old message before you answer to it.
 
if the link would be more obvious, clickable to expand into the thread, that would be the awesomedome.
 
don't like meta :p
 
this is completely OT but does anyone use the ORca screenreader? Someone turned its zoom on on one of these PCs, and now the PC is unusable...
 
let's have a discussion about having a discussion about a question and answer site
 
5:54 PM
@ChrisBecke You know....
 
Wasting work time on stackoverflow is one thing, but wasting SO time on meta? Wow.
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@wil lol
 
@wilhelmtell It's not wasted time.... I learn a lot from this room as I code.
 
@Xaade pretend I don't :P
 
I just can't read this.

try{ object.initialize } catch(exception::intialize) { }
try{ object.use } catch(exception::objectnotinitialized) { } catch (exception::objectuseinvalid) { } catch(exception::objectusefailed) { }

To me that reduces readibility. There must be a better way.
 
6:00 PM
1. RAII
 
to me it's inballanced.
two dangling catches.
 
naked try catch blocks should very rarely appear in code
 
@chris ok, so what would it look like
I didn't put code in the catch on purpose.... it's psuedo.... give me a little room
 
well, my first question is, why are you expecting object.initialize to fail so often you need explicit code to deal with it?
 
I'm understanding that you need to catch exceptions
 
sbi
6:02 PM
try{
  object.initialize
} catch(exception::intialize) {
}

try {
  object.use
} catch(exception::objectnotinitialized) {
} catch (exception::objectuseinvalid) {
} catch(exception::objectusefailed) {
}
@Xaade There you go.
 
im understanding that modtly, you don't.
Youve run out of memory? What to do. shut down.
you can't even expect to display a UI saying so
 
sbi
Anyway, except for the outermost functions, I rarely ever catch exceptions. Why would I?
 
@ChrisBecke Say object.initialize has code that automatically dynamically loads a dll for you.
@sbi I can't read that.
 
LoadLibrary() returns a valid HMODULE, or 0
 
@Xaade: There's rarely actual benefit from catching exceptions
 
6:04 PM
no need to treat a failure to load a library as an exception
 
@ChrisBecke You can acquire memory at startup and hold it for an emergency like that.
 
@DeadMG then why throw them?
 
sbi
@Xaade I can, but I find it appalling.
 
because you want to catch them in those places
 
@wilhelmtell and how can you be sure its enough
 
6:05 PM
@ChrisBecke shouldn't it, if said library has code for a custom windows control to work at all. What do you do if the dll doesn't load, you're missing functionality.
 
thats an application level descision, not a system one
 
I suppose so, except in my environment applications can't catch exceptions.
 
sbi
Hey, not another of those "I-hate-C++" sessions, please! I've had enough. You're free to create a room for doing so, but please stop abusing this room for uninformed bashing!
 
they write interpreted code.
 
@ChrisBecke at startup you acquire a memory enough large enough to notify the user about an error. If you can't acquire that then you stop right there, at startup.
 
6:07 PM
@sbi I don't hate C++, I love C++, I just dislike exceptions
 
@wilhelmtell and how do you know how much memory you need to notify the user? The c++ freestore has no accessors for finding that information out
 
@sbi See what I mean
 
all you know with the freestore is that there is a ceiling, and it is low, and if you bump your head its tickets, so keep your head down.
I find the c++ memory model soo limiting as a result
 
sbi
@Xaade No. (It's probably because I haven't even read what you three discussed. As soon as @Chris starts with this, my eyes start to glaze over whole pages of text...)
 
@Xaade well... dont throw what you can't catch?
My opinion of exceptions starts in the name.
theyre not called mundanes.
theyre called exceptions
 
6:11 PM
ideally, you'd use a platform-specific routine to guarantee you have enough memory for basic uses
 
sbi
@Xaade And namespaces. And whatnot. Sorry, but I'm done with that. All I can do is to provide arguments. If people don't listen to arguments, or if they skip over any arguments defeating their own, I have learned long ago to stop arguing.
 
using them for mundane error handling is not a good application.
 
in my opinion, it's about continuation
would the application be able to continue if it had no idea that an error occurred?
obviously if you write to a logfile and it fails, then you probably can continue
but if you load a DLL with code that you need, you can't meaningfully continue to execute
 
I would write it as:
return object.initialize() && object.use();
 
who on earth has object.initialize()?
that's wat constructor is for
 
6:26 PM
@DeadMG I don't know. ask Xaade
on a funny note. I had a MG, and it died.
 
sbi
@ChrisBecke Machine guns don't die. They kill.
 
He meant Macedonian Gnome. I had one two. Cute little things.
Sorry for your loss.
Shabbat Shalom people.
 
sbi
@wilhelmtell Ah, never heard of those. What happened to yours?
I just closed another bug in our issue tracker. Current state for today: Three down, one to go. ("Another town, and one more show...")
 
6:41 PM
how many bugs are there in total?
 
sbi
@DeadMG I dunno. I only know I had three this morning, and got another one assigned later in the day. The beta release will be on Monday, and I don't want to work on the weekend. So I'm plowing through all of these today. (Well, I should say "tonight" by now. It's almost 8pm here.) Thankfully, the testers have gone home, and can't put any new bugs on my plate. :)
 
lol
damn those testers, giving you bugs to fix
 
sbi
@DeadMG They are very likely saying something similar: Damn those developers, giving us bugs to find! :)
 
lol
 
 
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sbi
8:43 PM
Closed the last issue. Since it's now too late to do anything useful with this evening, I'm now trying to nail down someone else's issue which only reproduces on my Win7 64, but not on his WinXP 32...
 
Congratulations! Time for beer!
 
sbi
@StephenCanon Yeah, that would be nice. However, I really want to reduce the steps necessary to repro that issue as far as possible, and then it's about an hour commuting until I'm home. It's now approaching 10pm here, which means I'm unlikely to be home before midnight. And by then I probably won't feel like going to a pub anymore...
 
ouch.
 
sbi
Well, OTOH I have never worked for free, and always clock overtime. So what I'm doing now gives me time to leave earlier on some other day. :) (However, IME I will very likely have to take this when one of the kids is ill and needs to stay at home... :()
(Constantly fiddling with the crashing job's parameters in the background, trying to nail the crash down as good as possible.)
 
lunchtime for me; good luck!
 
sbi
8:54 PM
@StephenCanon Thanks!
 
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