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10:00 PM
Real Madrid - Barcelona
 
sbi
@ManofOneWay Ah, no. I'm not that interested in Champions League (or whichever league that is).
 
It's actually La Liga, the spanish league
El Clásico, that's how it's spelled.. Sorry
 
sbi
Ah, Ok. No, I never watched the Spanish league. Besides, I don't even have a TV, let alone one of the programs you pay for in order to watch sports. (I don't suppose they broadcast Real/Barca in German public TV.) I would have to stream that game.
Revised log levels proposal: "fyi", "uhh", "wtf", and "omg."
I like that a lot.
 
10:15 PM
@Xeo Actually it's possible to reach 750. They messed up the formula and it isn't really asymptotic to 750. It only takes 10 flags to get from 749 to 750. (ex. I have 750)
 
Xeo
So, since @RMartinhoFernandes doesn't have many C++ questions, I got +5 votes out of going through them, only upvoting the ones I found interesting
@Mysticial Oh, interesting
 
Also, don't upvote more than like 3 times on the same person in a series
or it'll have a high chance of triggering the serial voting script
 
sbi
@Xeo Are you looking for questions to upvote??
 
Xeo
Didn't for 5
@sbi Yes
On my way to electorate badge
 
sbi
@Xeo Why?
 
10:18 PM
lol, I still need 10 to reach my repcap today, but I only have 1 question... lolz
*btw, you're still gonna need another 500+ flags to get from 500 to 750 assuming no declines... glhf :-)
 
sbi
@Xeo I see. I have never been a badge hunter.
 
Xeo
I'm an achievement hunter in games, and badges are the achievements of SO :P
 
The only badge I actually went after for was Marshal
mainly because
I was one of the only people to reach 10k without a single gold badge
and Marshall seemed the easiest one to reach
 
Xeo
Heh, seemed
 
It took me about 2 weeks and ~650 flags
 
Xeo
10:22 PM
You're crazy anyways, 22k rep in ~3 month
 
Then I got like 5 gold badges in a 1 week period... because a number of things came together
I was expecting to get 4 within a relatively short amount of time: C, C++, Electorate, and Fanatic
and then I got a surprise one... gotta love those...
 
user142019
Hi.
 
hello friend
 
user142019
Weekend! :)
 
Hello, all.
 
10:31 PM
hello friend
 
@WTP Weekend is :)
 
Xeo
@Mysticial, how exactly does one verify computed digits of Pi? How can you tell they are correct?
 
You wanna see the gory math details?
:)
 
Xeo
No, just a noob friendly explanation :P
If that's even possible
 
There's a way to directly compute a few binary digits without computing everything before it.
 
10:33 PM
@Mysticial I remember seeing a paper on this by Fabrice Bellard.
 
Aliens.jpg
=P
 
@StackedCrooked Yes, I used the exact same method to verify my 5 and 10 trillion runs.
So you can use the algorithm to directly compute the last few binary digits that you computed.
 
So you beat his score?
 
Combine that with some other checks and you can show that if the last digits are correct, then they're all correct.
And then a 3rd step is needed to show that all the decimal digits are correct.
 
10:35 PM
head explodes
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Hm, can you use an incremental version of that to actually calculate pi?
 
@StackedCrooked Yes, I did. But not by myself though.
@Xeo There are algorithms that allow that, but the overall complexity is polynomial. So they are not feasible.
 
Xeo
I see
 
And of course, you need a quasi-linear algorithm to have any chance of reaching to these trillions of digit sizes.
 
10:37 PM
@DeadMG what's a "meaningless triviality" ?
that's sounds meaningless itself
i'm throwing the dusty C++ corners at you boy
 
Xeo
Okay, so what's the use of inline namespaces?
 
@Xeo didn't we already discuss this?
 
Fate Zero 11 is out. Just not with UTW yet...
 
Xeo
Oh, I got a watchdog telling me when F/Z comes out now, great! :D
But yeah, UTW normally releases their version in 3 to 5 hours
@Pubby Uuuh, no? Not with me, atleast
 
@Xeo I think there were 2 uses, but one was template specialization
 
10:59 PM
@Xeo I'm very on top of these things... :D
 
@Xeo howard mentioned one use recently
which makes linking libc++ and libstdc++ programs/libs together inevitably cause linker errors rather than program crashes
it also helps with ADL..
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaublitb How so?
 
i imagine it can be used for versioning purposes
if the ABI gets incompatible, just change the name of the inline namespace
since it is an inline namespace, users using the surrounding namespace name only will not notice the name change. but the linker will complain if the name changes and the programs using them are not relinked
 
Xeo
That I can understand, but is that the only purpose?
 
i believe that was a major proposed feature of inline namespaces
@Xeo i don't know how you got the idea that was the only purpose of inline namespaces?
 
Xeo
11:03 PM
You made it sound like that, since you didn't elaborate on the ADL thing. :P
 
i simply am not familiar enough with it but i remember it is an important feature
 
I got bored of planning
Any ideas for a windows application I can do in a night
That's handy
 
11:28 PM
Or maybe a website where programming muggles post ideas?
 
jli
@KianMayne A screenshot program maybe?
 
@jli But lightscreen is around
 
jli
There's a program already for almost everything you can think of.
 
11:43 PM
@jli Good point
and what I've always wanted
Is a screenshot sharing thing
So you take a screenshot and get given a link to share it with friends
I know there's awesome screenshot
But that's only in-browser
 
jli
Theres a bunch of those, I have one on my desktop
 
@jli Link me?
 
user406009
@Kian How about screencasting software? Much more usefull than screenshots.
 
user406009
You can even have it encode directly into h264 with x264.
 
11:55 PM
@EthanSteinberg Like recording? Or Like remote help - because (Teamviewer)[www.teamviewer.com] is awesome
 
user406009
Like recording
 
Like recording? Or Like remote help - because [Teamviewer](http://www.teamviewer.com/) is awesome
Never mind.
 
Xeo
@Johannes, mind giving this one a shot?
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Q: Partial specialization of variadic templates

iorateConsider the following class template 'X' and its partial specializations. template <class ...Types> struct X {}; // #1 template <class T1> struct X<T1> {}; // #2 template <class T1, class ...Types> struct X<T1, Types...> {}; // #3 X<in...

Would be interested to see a quote that explains the comments in the examples in my answer
 
@Xeo i already reported this to one of the LWG maintainers
he said that he noted it
 
Xeo
Oh, so there is no direct quote that says non-variadic templates are more specialized other than the comments in the examples?
 
11:58 PM
however since the language is currently floating around this issue (whether "<FixedList, ...>" and "<FixedList>" should be ambiguous or not ... currently they are ambiguous, like the question correctly notes), it may perhaps in the end be a core issue rather than a lib issue
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaublitb Oh, they are ambiguous? The comments seem to say that they are not, but well, they're only comments
 
@Xeo no the example you show is different
 

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