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4:00 PM
So basically you can warp strtok for C++ strings as long as you make sure that only one thread uses it at the same time. But for a fast multithreaded implementation you would need to reimplement something like strtok, right?
 
lol
 
@JohnDibling Yeah, that's why I asked.
 
OMG My eyes, someone mentioned strtok.
Btw, SOPA is Portuguese for "soup".
 
ah there is also strtok_r
:)
 
Xeo
4:02 PM
@DeadMG, why not fire up virtualbox and run ICC on that? :)
 
@Xeo What about Visual Studio?
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Because of the poorer core language feature support?
 
@Xeo No, because of... something you guys like about it, you name it.
 
Xeo
Well, I don't know how nice the Intel C++ Studio is, maybe it's even nicer than VS? Who knows.
But ICC seems pretty underrepresented in the developer world. Everytime I hear somebody talk about compilers, they only mention MSVC, gcc and clang
 
@Xeo: you'd lose the debugger...
 
4:06 PM
is there some complete list somewhere of which papers were accepted into C++11?
 
@Xeo: icc is used in performance-critical number crunching.
 
or what happened to a specific proposal
 
A relative small amount of devs is interested in those last %'s
 
and afaik, icc is used a fair bit in the games industry for example, because it's perceived as generating faster code
 
@StackedCrooked it's a beautiful arrangement and communication of an inane and provoking message. how is it made?
 
4:08 PM
Photoshop, how else?
 
@jalf: although I hope they don't focus on CPU performance as much as GPU performance IMHO...
 
4
Q: Is stateless visitor pattern possible in C++?

RotsorI was trying to translate the following Haskell code to C++: data List t = Nil | Cons t (List t) The straightforward translation of the algebraic data type to the stateless Visitor pattern yields the following Java code interface List<T> { <R> R accept(ListVisitor<T,R> v);...

Yuck.
 
-3
Q: How do I simplify my programs?

Jake SmithSo, I've got a while loop, inside a while loop, inside a while loop, inside a while loop, inside of an if statement. This seems very complex to me. In fact, this is the most complex program I've ever written (it is assigned for work). How do I go about making things easier? This is in PHP.

Hahaha. "This is the complex program I've ever written."
 
@KerrekSB Aw, my eyes.
 
Yo dawg, I heard you like while loops, so I... nevermind
 
4:15 PM
And I haven't seen the code yet.
Yay, I convinced Joel to play by his own rules!
25
A: How does SOPA threaten Stack Overflow?

Joel SpolskyThe American Censorship link includes a lot of information about what this US law would change and how it would affect user-generated content sites like Stack Overflow. Currently, if someone posts copyright material to Stack Overflow, there is a well-established legal procedure (called the DMCA)...

 
@RMartinhoFernandes Hundred bucks this involves a Deeply Nested Array :-)
 
> (...) right now we receive takedown notices from professors demanding that we remove technical information because they claim that students are using it to cheat, people who claim that we are posting questions that they use in job interviews, and so forth.
OMG, people are insane.
 
I'd consider it research, not cheating...
That's what the "homework" tag is for
 
Whatever!
Even if there was a tag.
If a student cheats, what do you do? Ask the website to take down the content? No!
Flunk the student.
 
Indeed
 
Xeo
4:21 PM
Well, if those people cheat their way through their tests, they will fail regardlessly in real life.
 
Watchya think?
0
A: Is stateless visitor pattern possible in C++?

Cat Plus PlusThis can certainly be improved (use smart pointers for tail ownership, for example), but the basic idea: template <typename T> struct cons_list { T head; cons_list<T>* tail; explicit cons_list(T head, cons_list *tail = nullptr) : head(head), tail(tail) {} ...

 
Ugh, cons lists in C++.
 
Yeah.
 
Also, it's missing Nil.
 
nullptr is nil.
 
4:27 PM
And be doomed to use pointers?
 
I can use boost::variant, but then they'll bitch about how it uses Boost.
 
Nevermind.
 
@CatPlusPlus Hehe, "Accept this!" Sounds like a Michael Bay movie.
 
Maybe it'd be better if accept were free function, too.
 
"Accept this const reference, motherfucker!"
 
4:31 PM
anyone know Matlab well here? Off-topic, I know, I'm just asking
 
I don't
I think the bot might
 
@rubenvb I may be able to help
 
@Praetorian: it's not the best question formulation, but here goes: stackoverflow.com/questions/8314236/…
 
@DeadMG Where did you get that idea?
 
dunno
 
4:33 PM
@CatPlusPlus Ah! You mentioned boost anyway!
 
I was going to write a solution using boost::variant
but then decided I Couldn't Be Arsed™
 
@rubenvb Holy crap, that's a long question! :) Not much into statistics, never used fminsearch, sorry. You should try posting to CSSM if you don't get replies here soon
 
@Praetorian: it's relativistic physics, really, no Statistics here
But thanks for looking :)
 
Ah, hell, I'll write boost::variant version, too.
 
Goooood morniiiing
 
4:36 PM
But I'm not sure how ugly recursive variant will be.
 
there's a simple type for it, I think
 
It's actually pretty sweet.
 
like boost::recursive_wrapper or something
 
I used boost::make_recursive_variant.
 
Yay, I got 100 bronze badges :-) (counting multiplicities)
 
4:41 PM
Congratulations.
 
auto some_digits
    =  make_range(L'0', L'9') >> *( make_range(L'0', L'9') );

auto number
    =  some_digits >> ((make_equality(L'.') >> some_digits) || opt);
that look about right?
 
I've got five to go. I need to answer questions more often.
You don't have a "one or many" combinator?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You could probably make a badge factory just by quoting previous results...
 
You mean, like this?
 
not right now
I guess
 
4:45 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, I mean by posting new answers with old content. Quickest way to a badge is through a 10-vote answer, non?
 
I've added boost::variant solution.
Watchya think?
 
Oh, right, I should have picked one with 9 votes. Silly me.
Look, I quoted the standard! Rep me up!
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A: Is parameter binding sequenced after argument evaluation?

R. Martinho FernandesOn §1.9/15 we're told that: When calling a function (whether or not the function is inline), every value computation and side effect associated with any argument expression, or with the postfix expression designating the called function, is sequenced before execution of every express...

:( Can't move stuff to the const room.
 
auto number
    =  +make_range(L'0', L'9') >> ((make_equality(L'.') >> +make_range(L'0', L'9')) || opt);
 
It worked!
-4
Q: Calculate a + b

Ava Baharia very simply ACM question in one region on 2000 . please help with cpp codes. The input will consist of a series of pairs of integers a and b,separated by a space, one pair of integers per line. For each pair of input integers a and b you should output the sum of a and b in one line,and with on...

 
lol
ok
now I'm unsure how to formulate "identifier"
 
4:54 PM
An ifier with an identity.
Gah, I really want to play with template aliases now.
 
@CatPlusPlus Bleeding edge GCC has that.
 
I know.
 
(letter || underscore) >> *(letter || underscore || digit)
 
But "bleeding edge" and "GCC" in one sentence has a bad ring to it.
 
auto identifier
    =  *( !(punctuation_or_comment || string || character) >> eps );
that should break when something more interesting comes along
right?
 
4:58 PM
Oh my, MinGW seems to have cleaned up the mess in their downloads.
 
@Cat Plus: use MinGW-w64 instead. It's better in almost every way possible :p
 
@CatPlusPlus What do you mean?
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Doesn't the quote explictly state that evaluation of arguments is sequenced before anything in the function body, and that initialization of parameters occurs within in the context of the function body? Wouldn't that imply that argument evaluation is indeed sequenced before parameter initialization?
 
It has folders.
With proper names.
 
@CatPlusPlus: IIRC, that was Sourceforge's issue
 
5:00 PM
For the first time ever, it's actually navigable.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG You allow your identifiers to start with a digit?
 
no, that's already taken care of
 
@Xeo No. Both parameter initialization and argument evaluation happen in the caller, and there's nothing saying they're sequenced.
 
It's also MinGW's fault for using Sourceforge.
 
auto lexer =
    *( punctuation_or_comment
    || string
    || character
    || number
    || identifier
    );
 
5:01 PM
@CatPlusPlus I use this: code.google.com/p/mingw-builds
 
@CatPlusPlus: is/was there a sensible alternative?
 
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes Ohh, "calling function". I read that as "called function"
 
Er, everything else?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG I see
 
bitbucket, Launchpad, GitHub, Google Code.
 
5:02 PM
@CatPlusPlus: think ~7 years back, and try again.
or 10 years
 
now all I need to do is make it actually record my tokens
 
Projects can be moved.
 
instead of just recognizing them
 
@rubenvb Apply move semantics.
 
Just because 10 years ago sucky SF was the only option, doesn't matter we have to suffer now.
 
5:02 PM
@R. Martinho: those weren't invented/standardized 10 years back. Aaargh
 
Meh, could someone remind me why there are two exception models in MinGW builds and which one I should choose.
 
It just happens that I'm not living in 10 years ago. I suppose it's the same for the rest of the world.
 
I knew that once.
But I don't remember now.
 
time for a Battlefield-related Break
 
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Q: how to control access to class methods in a mutli threaded program using boost

sufyan siddiqueI want to translate a java code into C++. A java class which extends Thread class, contains a class method as follows public static synchronized String createUniqueID() { //some code here } I would like to ask how can we synchronize class methods in C++ using Boost. I have read about...

 
5:09 PM
Hi all
 
"I use synchronized and it does some kind of magic for me. How can I do that in C++?" Sigh.
 
5:24 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes By turning around and letting them stomp on the other side of your face, too.
 
@KerrekSB It really sounds like someone just slapping synchronized on stuff because it "makes stuff thread-safe".
 
Is this foo(A++, *B) actually UB if A++ mutates A::b_thing?
 
@Kerrek: Uh, wot?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes last time i traced into the standard library i saw lots of synchronization for single character output of higher-level string. it seems so extremely inefficient.
 
@AlfPSteinbach But presumably it's safe.
 
5:38 PM
@DeadMG In this question... suppose B references a member of A, and A has an overloaded operator++.
 
class Foo { private int i; public void foo() { i++ } public synchronized void bar() { i *= 2; } } Q: "Why didn't you make foo synchronized as well?" A: "Because I'm only calling it from one thread".
@AlfPSteinbach This was a real exchange I had with a friend.
 
it's not UB because a custom operator overload is a function call, which is a sequence point
I believe that the actual result is unspecified, but it's not UB
 
@DeadMG Ahh, very good. So even if ++A mutates an object of which B is a reference, this is not UB, because it's sequenced?
(Just in unspecified order?)
While int a, &i = a, &j = a; foo(++i, ++j); would be UB?
 
yes
this is a direct consequence of the simple fact
int i = 0;
foo(i++, i++); // UB
foo( [&] { return i++; }(), i++); // not UB
even though logically, they should either both or neither be UB
 
5:53 PM
@DeadMG Haha, always with the lambdas! Nice example.
 
I loves me a good lambda
 
@DeadMG I like to think of it that way: Multiple mutations at the same time are UB. Everything else is OK, even though it may not be predictable code.
The former really "hurts" the object, while the latter only hurts the programmer.
 
well, I think the situation is fucking dumb
but then, that's just me
 
@DeadMG What's WideC's take on sequencing?
 
if all else fails, left-to-right
function arguments, each argument is sequenced in whole
also, I'm sure there has to be some other concurrency stuff in there, but I didn't read that part of C++11
 
5:58 PM
  template<typename _MoneyT>
    inline _Put_money<_MoneyT>
    put_money(const _MoneyT& __mon, bool __intl = false)
    { return { __mon, __intl }; }
Is this standard?
(found in <iomanip>)
 
Some locale stuff?
 
I don't think so
ok
here's the really annoying problem of building FSMs from expression templates
you can't access the values from previous matches
 
What do you mean?
 
if you do
equality(...) >> equality(...)
then in the semantic action for the second rule, you can't access the value from the first rule
 
You need to make it a writer monad!
 
6:03 PM
what I need is to make them extending actions
 
Whatever you want to call it :)
For std::ostream& operator<<(std::ostream&, std::chrono::duration<T, R> const&); I have no choice but to put it in the global namespace, right?
 
put_money is in 27.5.5. It calls money_put.
 
ROFL
 
^ Similarities
 
6:10 PM
For some reason, imgur.com is on my block list.
Up comes the alternate browser ;-)
 
That's evil.
@KerrekSB You mean proxied?
 
@StackedCrooked No, my own browser's local block list
I must have a reason
 
ok
it's easy to write an FSM to recognize your language's tokens
it's harder to write an FSM which tells you about it
 
@KerrekSB Perhaps you have adbock settings that are too broad. Or something.
Imgur is not just a great image host. It's fun to browse the site itself as well.
 
@StackedCrooked Nah, it's Opera. It just has one global block list, which is either on or off for a given URL.
I suppose there was a site once which became much more readable with the blockade.... but I'll try and take it off.
 
6:13 PM
Oh, I picked a good question to repwhore here before. I got both "Nice Answer" and "Enlightened" from that upvote I squeezed!
 
ok
I think I'm a genius
 
@DeadMG The first sign of paranoia, non?
@RMartinhoFernandes Well done
I just suffered a series of "accepts". Today turned into a good day for rep.
 
lol
 
@KerrekSB Oh, poor soul. Were you hurt?
 
you've been hitting 200 a day virtually every day for weeks
 
6:15 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes I cope.
@DeadMG Of late I don't need to do much... random old upvotes contribute a nice trickle
 
I hardly ever get any
probably because I like to offend people
 
@DeadMG Do you answer a lot of questions? I see lots of your comments, but answers less frequently.
 
I used to
but not anymore
 
Lately, I get an upvote (or more) a day here: stackoverflow.com/questions/1260748/…
 
truth is, I'm really quite sick of answering i++ + ++i ten times a day
 
6:18 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Ah, very good. The key is to ask something that everyone wants to know!
 
and the other truth is that the only questions I ask are usually either compiler bugs, or nobody except me knows the answer
 
@DeadMG I never touch those. By the time you could have written anything useful, you there'll be six or eight answers.
 
and the third truth is that half the questions tagged C++ aren't even remotely about C++
so it seems very much like "Spend time on Stack Overflow, get shit all for it."
the chat has actual helpful value for me
questions don't, and answering certainly is just a waste of time
 
Today I was quite chuffed with this answer. Initially it only consisted of two lines (for the first 5 votes). Then I added the TR1 spiel.
@DeadMG That's true, the chat provides at least as much learning as Q&A
 
I've been answering mostly questions that sit untouched for 30 minutes or more. I'm amazed at how many you can find on .
On you don't get that luck.
 
6:20 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes How do you find those? "Unanswered"?
 
@KerrekSB No. I open the C++ questions page and they're just sitting there waiting.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, or PHP or MySQL. None of the questions have any depth. They're all "write-only", and all about "how do I perform trivial mechanical act X".
Or, in the case of PHP, "how do I parse this extremely deeply nested array".
@RMartinhoFernandes Intriguing. Hey, what is it with this "opencv"? That causes about half the C++ questions.
Who's responsible for that??
 
@KerrekSB Even the good ones get taken quickly because there's lot of people on it.
@KerrekSB Yeah, I've noticed that.
I wonder what everyone is actually doing with it.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, that's true. There's this one SO regular who tends to post C# answers quite promptly.
@RMartinhoFernandes I have a suspicion that hundreds of IT startups in India are developing mobile AR technology
 
Hello folks
 
6:22 PM
:)
There, I pushed my <chrono> related stuff: hg.tumtumtree.me/wheels/src/686659dc64db/include/wheels/…
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Does the FPA pass your muster, though?
 
evening gents
 
@KerrekSB Yeah, the FPA is good now.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Cheers.
 
6:24 PM
@TonyTheLion Come on! "Evening, afk". WTF is that.
 
I am going to get so incredibly many compiler errors when I push the button
also, I realized that my solution to my problem doesn't work as I previously imagined
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Props for the wheels::detail::pretty_print_duration :-)
@DeadMG Your problem simply doesn't fit our solution.
 
lol
I need to fix my FSM such that you can access the previous values when you succeed in matching
 
6:31 PM
Like I said, writer monad.
Possibly reader, too.
 
as if I'd know what anything is with "monad" on the end
 
A whole stack! RWS.
Now this brings back bad memories. Stacks of monad transformers are ugly. I guess the only part of Haskell I don't enjoy much.
 
what I need is to mark the beginning of a sequence
 
@DeadMG That's the subject of this recent question.
 
then keep the beginning iterator whilst it's nexting
 
6:35 PM
@KerrekSB I think that "reader monad" and "writer monad" don't have a correspondence in CT.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Bastards!
 
@jalf I don't really like programming-language books. They go out of date. I prefer small tutorials that push you along until you grok the feel of the language and can find documentation on your own when necessary.
 
0
Q: building FAT file system from scratch

user1066494I have to built a FAT file system from scratch, but I don't know how to start; the only previous experience I have with real programing was a simple bootloader. Any suggestions ,links or books ? Thanks!

Shame, this guy has a worthy cause but will probably get shot down
 
LOL… a bootloader is great practice for a filesystem, but an odd place to start overall!
 
6:37 PM
It's like he was teleported from 1985
 
@Potatoswatter It's weird that your only programming experience is writing bootloaders.
 
"I travelled here from 1985 to ask you for help building a FAT filesystem".
 
"The only previous experience I have with real programming was a simple boot loader."
Damn, the guy likes to start rough.
 
Maybe it was a system to control a robot that loaded boots into crates, or something.
 
How does one even begin to write a file system? There are no system APIs to rely on.
 
6:40 PM
@StackedCrooked $ vim filesystem.cpp
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's the strangest definition of "bootloader" I have ever seen.
 
sbi
7 Reasons You Don't Want To Work in the Video Game Industry. Read that. And start to write an application to that company making software for bean counters.
 
@StackedCrooked "from scratch", apparently. He can start with his bootloader and work from there… his first project will be an OS. Some programmers are made, and some are forged.
 
We do a lot of simple game programming in my computer science class. I don't really like it.
 
@StackedCrooked There's no system API only if you're writing an OS and you haven't made one yet.
 
6:41 PM
@sbi I get the feeling that only #2 is legitimate.
 
sbi
> you will be expected to work late every night. And “late” doesn’t just mean a few hours after 5. It means working late enough for your significant other to have three or four affairs and still be lonely by the time you get back.
 
@sbi #1 is awesome!
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel That one?
 
Game programming is fun when you're implementing your own ideas.
 
The video game industry is built around the "80 hour weeks with no paid overtime" model.
@sbi Yes
 
6:42 PM
@EtiennedeMartel What about #5?
 
My last month was ~90 hours of work.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel #7 is true, too.
 
> (...) decent, mother-born humans were forced to create that Dora the Explorer game.
Ha, robots don't do that.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's only true if you're a designer.
 
#6 seems silly.
 
6:44 PM
@sbi Well, it depends on your actual skills and ambitions.
 
@sbi Instead robots load boots into crates.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes That's wrong. It's just that they aren't asked, and don't care either.
 
#7 depends on too many variables.
Change 'fans' to 'people' in #5 and it's true for everything.
 
> 4. Nobody Will Understand Your Job
^ That goes for most IT jobs.
 
#4 is plain stupid.
 
sbi
6:45 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, of course. But since 90+% of all games are crap, 90+% of all game developers will write crappy games. Are you (plural "you") among the less that 10% of the best game developers?
 
#3 depends, too.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Actually, I never had a job where I couldn't explain to my mother what our customers do with our software, and have her understand why this is needed.
 
I propose a motion to make "yous" the plural form of "you".
Stupid English language ambiguities.
 
Yousa.
 
@CatPlusPlus NOOO!
 
6:47 PM
@sbi Maybe. During an internship at Ubisoft Montreal, one of the architects there told me I was one of the best programmers in the whole studio.
 
@EtiennedeMartel (plural "you")
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel And how much money did he offer you? See.
 
@sbi We actually know C++, so it's plausible.
 
I did not understand what he was saying anyway, I didn't feel that good.
 
@CatPlusPlus That makes you a bad game developer, no?
 
6:48 PM
AAA games are almost entirely in C++
 
I don't know. I wouldn't want to work for Ubisoft if they paid me with golden bricks.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Maybe he was talking about person hygiene or something.
 
@StackedCrooked Probably not.
 
I would think that the majority of game building is game design and very little actual proggramming.
Wouldn
 
@sbi The best programmer in value/price :)
 
6:49 PM
@aaronburns Right, that's why they take so long to ship them, and then they're full of bugs.
 
@aaronburns It's mostly art.
 
Yeah, content takes much more than programming.
Although it varies from genre to genre.
 
There are more artists than programmers on a team
 
For RPGs you need shitload of design and content.
 
You always need a shitload of content
 
6:51 PM
Unless you're generating it.
 
Unless you're making Tetris Elite 3000.
 
Tetris doesn't require too much content.
Hehe.
Neither does minesweeper.
 
I was talking about a mainstream AAA game.
 
People will buy anything if it's sparkly enough.
3
 
@CatPlusPlus Or if "Call of Duty" is written on the box
 
6:52 PM
Myst has a huge content/design ratio.
 
Phds write great grapics engine masters implement it into a gui program for a bachlors degree to point and click things into place. Don't forget the writers and artist that build librays of art and write plotlines for scenerios.
 
sbi
I doubt it.
A former coworker of mine quit his job because he had an offer as a lead developer in a gaming studio here in Berlin — his dream job. After ten days, he came back and asked the boss whether he could have his old job back. He was assigned to my unit, and sat in my room, so I asked him. That got him started about what state that companies C++ code was in, and how he was looked at when he said they would need to do something about it. After ten days he had realized that he had no chance, and would suffer badly. So he did the sensible thing, coming back to the company he said he tho
 
@aaronburns PhDs and masters? In games?
 
I don't really want to work in any big company, gamedev or not.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Yeah, but what does that really mean in an industry that pays badly while forcing its employees to work 80hrs/week?
 
6:53 PM
I don't really want to work.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes you do
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That too.
 
@AlfPSteinbach No, I don't.
 
@etienne who do you think comes up with equations for physics engine.
 
But games won't buy themselves. :/
 
sbi
6:54 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes What do you do now all day?
 
Who do you think writes a physics engine, as opposed to using existing one.
 
@sbi insist on 40h/w, not more. he he. make business case: it costs more to pay overtime, or to hire external help, or to have employees dead tired
 
@sbi Er,... stuff.
 
@sbi I didn't say it was meaningful :)
 
Unless you have a very, very specific requirements, you don't write an engine.
 
6:55 PM
@aaronburns Nobody writes their own physics engine, everybody just buys Havok
 
Because that gets in the way of making the actual game.
 
@aaronburns the physics equations are the simple part of the engine, getting it to run efficiently on computer hardware is the hard part
ditto for graphics engines
 
@CatPlusPlus Spending hundreds of dollars on Unreal is still much cheaper than paying a bunch of programmers to write an equivalent.
 
exactly why phds are used. ... maybe not in house .
 
Same for graphic engines, too. Major studios have their own from ancient times, everyone else just uses them.
 
6:56 PM
@aaronburns Most PhDs work in research.
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach Who said anything about paid overtime? (BTW, I've been doing 30hrs/week for more than a decade now, so no need to lecture me.)
 
My current job is quite nice. Got 32 vacation days a year. You're never asked to ask more than the contractual 40 hrs / week. The company makes a lot of profit and shares it with the employees. ... The codebase is horrible but they are allowing me to improve it (too slowly imo, but still..). Plus it's 30 min walk from my home.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes You'll do this at work, too, only they pay you for it.
 
but that research is not just within acadimics. Many phds work for game companies or take money from them to do research to directly benfet them.
 
6:57 PM
@sbi I read. Sometimes I write code. Walk around the block. Various other stuffs. I can't do that at work!
 
The best programmers I've met were all highly experienced, and they all had a bachelor's degree
 
sbi
Wow, @BenVoigt is in our chat room! very welcome, Ben!
 
Experience is what's important, not degrees.
 
You certainly don't need a PhD to work in gamedev.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Shh, don't tell anyone.
 
6:59 PM
I know I don't even want PhD.
 
@etienne i'll give you that, but I am not a cs ,,,, im a ce . I care more about the hardware aspect.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes If you have a good job, you'll do exactly that. And if you are good, everyone will love you for doing it. Those jobs are hard to come by, though.
 
And I get to see teenage girls doing physical education class when I walk by the park on my way to work.
 
Waste of time.
 
@StackedCrooked Careful with that.
 
6:59 PM
@StackedCrooked While driving your white candy van?
 

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