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17:00
I love when I have topics to discuss, but I have nowhere to write about it. That password thing was pretty fun..
I can see why online gambling is illegal. I just made ~$50/hour playing blackjack with bitcoins. I'd quit my job if I could keep this up.
online poker used to be awesome
Also, if you you start an online casino, make sure your RNG isn't sort-of predictable.
pokerstars used a very complex system for actually random generators
@Billdr Online gambling is illegal?!
17:03
in the US it is
in the states
@Sean It is in the US, not sure about your island.
Holy crap really?
Why's that then?
17:04
they can't tax and regulate it
@Sean Yea, we're really conservative on a lot of fronts. I suspect it's push back from the Wild West days of gambling.
Not that I'm interested, the only time I play poker is at christmas and I never won even when we were just pissing about xD
<<texan here... "pissing about"? is that equivalent to hanging out or messing around?
Yea, I'm terrible at poker when people are involved.
although the government doesn't care if they can't monitor any other online purchases
17:05
Yes justns.
Oh so cos the government can't make any money from it and they can't stop people from being blindly robbed (even though that's kind of a risk with gambling) they don't allow it? Sounds about right =P
@justnS Messing around, yeah
s/pissing/any expletive
@Sean Gambling is mostly illegal in meat space too, here. There's the odd exception for random things, but generally you can't go some place and play blackjack.
although some expletives really don't fit "shitting about" is just ridiculous
@Billdr For money, anyway
So I guess you have to be in a licensed casino to gamble then?
well, I've heard pissing in reference to drinking alcohol
Indian casinos are pretty prevalent, and a state lotto (the crappiest form of gambling) exists in most states... I guess it's legal in Atlantic City, New Jersey and Nevada, of course.
17:07
or maybe it was being pissed?
@justnS Yeah, being pissed
which means being very angry here in the US
Here too, context is key
I usually say "shit-faced" for drinking.
Also, "pissing it against/up the wall" refers to drinking all your money away, via alcohol, not like red bull or something
shit-faced is also valid
17:09
I need to put on proper clothes.
It would have to be legal in Nevada or Vegas would probably still be a small watering hole stop
Yea, Nevada doesn't have a whole lot going on. Then again, most states don't.
Possibly over-exaggerating there but you get the picture
Nevada = desert, right?
It's got gambling, prostitution, and a big ass dam.
Yep
As is Arizona, western Texas, and southern Colorado.
So it's like the US equivalent of Amsterdam, with less pot
17:10
oh, and eastern California.
was just gonna say, my dad lives in California somewhere and that's desert too
Palm something
The drive from Nevada to Colorado isn't so bad.
Palmdale?
Utah, dont forget Utah
I'd really like to forget Utah.
It's a desert where you can't get drunk.
17:12
That seems... Ugh..
Anyone know offhand how to get the tasks pane to appear on the right like in Office 2010?
in Outlook 2013
goddamn I really SUCK at asking questions
instead of it being defaulted to the bottom?
instead of it not showing my tasks next to my emails like I had in 2010
I had it like......
------------------------------Ribbon and such-----------------------------
| Mailboxes and folders | List of emails | reading pane | calendar
| Mailboxes and folders | List of emails | reading pane | tasks
I've just seen a screenie with it done, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to do it
never mind
got it
Ribbon -> View -> To-Do Bar -> Tasks
aaaah, that's better
I like the way the cursor glides to the right instead of jumps when typing in office 2013
mmm, yeah it's a nice effect but it makes me think the computer is dying because there's a slight delay in me pressing a key and it appearing on the screen
like on old machines where if you had a typing speed greater than like 30WPM it would buffer and you would have to wait for it to catch up
17:22
perhaps your computer is dying.. mine appears with no delay.
no you're right
the letter appears, then the caret glides over it
optical illusion making me think the PC was dying
haha
start screen confuses me
there's too much on it
I get annoyed when I go to the top left corner to double click and close an app and instead of closing, I start switching between all of my apps
Windows 8 Enterprise. Why does Microsoft think it's a good idea to put interesting holiday locations on the start screen? Or sports news? Or games? OR A CAMERA ON A DESKTOP PC, WHAT?!
17:25
and dual monitors make it tedious to access the charms
windows-C
MOTHER FRANCIS
I've not even bothered trying to use the corners yet
I had a cheat sheet of keyboard commands printed off
I must find this cheat sheet
sec
someone else got a copy for me cos he wanted them too and I'm the 2nd person in the office to use it after him
he's left so I'm trying to find it now
17:29
found one, though its not printer friendly: redmondpie.com/…
jesus why is the MS site so slow sometimes?
or is it just that the vast majority of the US will be online by now and their servers are being hammered?
The MS site is slow because you need to use IE to make it work correctly.
And everyone knows that IE is really slow
I'm leaving =P
17:31
thanks, Sean
yeah it is that one
just checked after it loads
loaded
anyway, half 5, I'm off, cya later
later
Why does 20 minutes take so long to pass...
A watched pot never boils, @AndréSilva.
There is nothing to do..
I'm leaving early today, the person who should give me stuff to do, doesn't answer my emails because he is out of town.
17:40
There's so much to do.
No one starts a freaking conversation here...
What is there to do ?
Well, start one yourself.
Just build something for fun.
There's a solution to this problem. Nerf wars.
@KendallFrey I'm doing that right now..
@Billdr Maaaan, if only I had a nerf gun with me right now...
17:41
Well, what do you want to argue about?
@KendallFrey Well...
I don't know.. :( I can't think with too much pressure..
Yey, two minutes passed.
@KendallFrey Teach me about anonymous functions on c#. You have 17 minutes.
delegate (args) { body; }
(args) => { body; }
Done.
that's all for today classs
do you feel smarter?
I do now. Almost leveled up..
How old are you @KendallFrey ? Sorry for asking btw..
On your profile says you're 17.. But I guess you're not...
Any one can help me in Emgu cv
17:50
he's like 17 or 18
@AndréSilva
@ScottSelby I feel retarded now.. I'm 20 and I know about one fifth about what he knows...
kendall makes us all feel retarted
I need linq / mvc expert
Well, I'm neither. And I'm leaving...
i am in serious problem . How I can declare a matrix array in Emgu CV .I need a matrix array to store pixel values of gray images. Is it possible to declare a matrix array .
Cya tomorrow.
17:53
Each WPF binding underlying BindingExpression creates 3 WeakReferences and that's hardcoded. This makes me sad.
what's your problem scott?
You're trying to build some kind of basic search using LINQ?
exactly
how big is the set of data you're searching through
I wrote it in webforms using sqldatareader for everything with manual tsql
yeah
17:54
100k rows ,
its the queries that get complicated , not the amount of data
I just need like a mvc linq to sql expert to come here and help me change everything for like 2 weeks , but that won't happen , it'll all be me
It's cool, everybody stop running around with your hair on fire, I'm back.
@AndréSilva Yes, I'm 17.
Was your implementation successful in TSql with SqlDataReader?
Or is this the first time you've tried to build this functionality?
I sure wish VS could debug lambdas in C#
Is it dangerous to have unpushed changes for a long time in source control (hg)?
@justnS It can, with the addition of Roslyn.
18:08
@KendallFrey not dangerous... but it can be a pain when you go to merge
I'd say it's dangerous. Hard drives fail, etc.
If you're on a laptop, they get lost/stolen all the time.
@ScottSelby if you're searching, why don't you use T-SQL's built-in full text indexing/search
that's what im going to look into, now I have a much bigger and harder task to start switching to MVC , which I don't really know yet
So, I should push a half-baked (but non-breaking) feature?
Isn't that what shelving is for?
18:10
Hi all
I can't shelve changesets can I?
I don't know, I live dangerously. :p
You're not pushing it to production, right?
$introduce @nineT9D
@nineT9D Welcome to the C# room! Please read the wiki.
Ew, t9. Welcome anyway.
Are you working on a branch of the project or the main line?
18:11
We don't do branches here.
By pushing, I'm basically saying, "this is the latest version. use it when required."
@KendallFrey, has anybody here ever used bing maps in applications
If you're just pushing to source control, I say put it in - assuming the intention is to finish baking your idea.
Yes, that is.
It won't do anything bad, except possible confusion about the fact that it doesn't do anything at all.
Are you doing labels on builds that get pushed to prod?
18:13
we have the same situation here
@nineT9D - i use bing maps
@justnS I think so.
wasn't my choice , I woul've went with google , but Bing has worked fine for us
The thing is, this isn't part of the built project.
no branching, just labels. At least with labels you can go back and get that 'version' of the release and fix a bug.
18:14
It's a script that can be updated whenever necessary.
@rudi_visser, hey hi
ahh
I am user guy on win 8 developer chat
@rud
@rudi_visser, i changed the name
Our minor versions get tags, our major versions get new repos.
So many dings I was trying to read :D
18:15
@ScottSelby, i have some issue in that, have you used it in winRT
@KendallFrey Do you support previous versions or just your main?
@rudi_visser :D
Previous.
If a bug needs to be fixed in an old version, it gets fixed in the current version then transplanted.
no, mine is web forms
you read my mind.. was just about to ask that
18:16
@ScottSelby, actually i was trying to test my app on different machines but don't know why it is showing a sign of not allowed in some devices
@justnS why do multimonitors make charms tedius
@ScottSelby, ok
the hotspots are on each screen
Because I often use my left monitor as my main monitor, then when I try to go to the charms, I dont want to go to the other monitor to the top corner. So i just use the left monitors top right corner but I often will overshoot the hotspot and the charm goes away.
Guys, ecigs are the best thing to ever happen. I haven't had a cigarette yet this week, and my last pack lasted all of the previous week. at $6/pack and a pack a day, it's already paid for itself. /psa
18:18
but windows+c fixes that for me.
@nineT9D - that might not be a problem with code , it might be certain devices you are testing on violating there terms , I have no idea though , just a thought
Ya the keyboard shortcuts are a lifesaver
But a touchscreen is more fun :D
@rudi_visser that's like saying "condoms are great, but pulling out is more fun!"
So... true?
Not in any way, is it like that
18:21
:P
HOLD ON, I MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER SIMILE
...nope
Plus it turns out that may not be an effective form of not spawning a tiny version of you and your partner, who'da thunk it
Anyone know how to get IE to show the login box to give basic auth credentials?
I've always heard that for developers, the best form of birth control is talking about what they do.
or their personality.
@justnS I actually find the opposite is true
Lucky guy.
Also, new pic!
Maybe not talking about it, but telling girls what I do
Yep -- the last one was kind of a joke. I don't wear glasses. But I figured on a site like this, it probably wouldn't be taken that way
18:30
When I tell girls what I do... Kidding. I don't talk to girls.
haha
lol
It helps to start with the salary, then move on to the job :P
Talking to women became a lot easier after I was married
@lol
@justnS lol
screw editing
I find it helps to just have an awesome car / apartment / looks
Who needs talking
@justnS Ironically I found the opposite to be true (not married, but living with the devil)
18:32
@rudi_visser Just bought a 3br house for me and one roommate. I think that'll help
@PhillipSchmidt House? :( Doubt it unless it's got a field with horses
lol
@rudi_visser I don't have the pressure to try and impress them with anything... I'm not trying to pick them up so I don't care if they like me or not.
@rudi_visser nope, it's actually pretty nice
Awesome
@justnS Good point, but I'm simply denied access to any woman :D
18:33
Hey there, is it allowed to reference to a question in here? :)
Ah, you're American
Call me gay, call me geeky, whatever, but girls aren't as fun as programming.
@landi Yup.
steps away
$i @landi
@landi Welcome to the C# room! Please read the wiki.
@rudi_visser LOL
18:34
@KendallFrey I wouldnt trade one for the other either. Both is nice, though
:6438033 Thanks! :)
@PhillipSchmidt I might trade a girl for more programming, if I had one. Maybe not though...
@rudi_visser WE DON' LIKE YEERR TYPES 'ROUND HEER
@KendallFrey lol
@KendallFrey You'll grow out of it :D
@justnS Yeah it's not great :P
@Pheonixblade9 :D
18:36
@rudi_visser +1 for growing out of it
grow... if you know what I mean.
@KendallFrey Do you know what you mean?
no
I dont
please explain
If you have time, have a look at this please :)
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13610926/best-practice-lookup-tables-getorcreate
It's about lookup tables / GetOrCreate
@landi ew, why can't you use string and Guid like a normal person?
18:37
Holy namespace resolution, @landi-man
Its Entity Framework generated code, sorry ;)
Don't let EF boss you around!
sup guys :)
But if you aren't picky what you have is fine
what it do
18:40
@StuartBlackler yo
lol sup sup
hows everyone?
@StuartBlackler What's Up? It's an animated movie about an old man who flies away in his house tied to balloons.
I know, it's a school project. Next time I will definitly do it the "code first" way
@KendallFrey That film made me sad
18:41
I never watched the whole thing.
Feel no need to finish it either.
It's awesome but sad
cone of shame
I will forever remember: "Good afternoon. My name is Russell. May I be of assistance to you?"
lmao
my boss just came up to me and got started asking me a question, then looked down and saw I had chocolate cake. "are you eating chocolate cake for breakfast??" I point towards the kitchen, he walks away. I am the ultimate distractor
@KendallFrey Good Afternoon. My name is Russell. And I’m a Wilderness Explorer in tribe 54, sweat lodge 12. Are you in need of any assistance today, sir?
</corrective asshole>
18:44
Um, that doesn't sound quite right. Sweat lodge?
shit, invalid tag name
OH IT IS SO COLD
while (true) {} // this should function as a temporary heater
8
Here in Houston, its a nice 56ish
I just stole my gf's heater from the other room but it's shit
BTW any of you with Win8 got Reckless Racing?
I want somebody to play with :(
18:49
I bought a heater the other day at walmart and it pushes out colder air than the air outside, which is about 40deg Fahrenheit where I am
@rudi_visser I don't suppose it's free...
Nope £3.49, half price atm
But it's awesome
I rely on free stuff because my only currency is cash :(
oh man... I just opened up a co-workers project by accident... one giant class... one of the methods is 800+ lines
Wait, that's not how long methods are meant to be?
18:52
my general rule is to keep in under a single ream of paper should I print it out.
I don't think there is a strict rule as to how long a method needs to be.
Who the fock prints code?
That's what snipping tool and email are for
If you back up code using a printer, YOU'RE DOING IT SO WRONG.
18:54
It's like saying, hey you need to keep each sentence of your essay within 20 words.
Printer-based subversion
@user899181 Agreed.
"What kind of source control software do you use?" "..do you see that printer over there?"
@user899181 while you are correct.. 800 line methods are extremely difficult to maintain and to conceptually understand quickly.
Long methods aren't bad. Bad programming is bad.
18:55
@justnS I agree with you too, 800 lines for a method does sound a bit too long.
@PhillipSchmidt Hardware-decelerated version control. Nice!
I don't have a line count that I live by or anything. I just make sure the method does one thing and only one thing.
Yeah but long methods ~= no encapsulation/seperation of logic == bad programming
so I was asked to do some PHP programming... I've never done PHP programming... :( (Wordpress)
@justnS But at the same time, I don't think one should break down a method intentionally just to meet some number of lines. In fact, breaking it down that way makes it harder to read through the logic.
18:57
I like my "main" type functions to be more or less readable in plain english
PHP is easy to learn, and hard to use.
PHP is the ass of web languages
@user899181 I completely agree. Breaking down a method simply because it has a large LOC doesn't make sense... but, I would bet money that if you have a large number of lines in a single method, you are cross different levels of abstractions and probably doing many different things.
I would rather write web apps in assembly than php
Though, like everything "it depends", right? ;)
18:58
yup ;)
But PHP is crap, and it doesn't depend on anything.
"I don't care what style you program in as long as its mine"

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