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2:02 PM
@RyanKinal yeah I hate that crap
I started off using JS that way too
 
I've never used it that way, because JS was the first language I learnt
(Good thing, right?)
 
ish
 
QBASIC!
anyone with me?
 
youll want to learn other languages
and classical inheritance
 
I started learning programming before JS / HTML / the web... existed
 
2:03 PM
@rlemon qbasic was cool
 
qbasic was my first language
 
I learned on basic 7.0 or some crap
whatever was on the commodore
 
yea I am a tad bit younger
so QBASIC 1.4 or 1.7
I can never remember which it was :/
 
@rlemon Yep!
 
Jon Skeet's mother tongue is Assembly
 
2:04 PM
lol
 
her tongue assembles much joy?
 
Assembly was thought to be useful to teach by our engineering department in HS
 
@Loktar Yeah, on that
 
so yea, I got 4 years of Assembly :/
 
I always tried to learn it
and always gave up
 
2:05 PM
C++ now along with Python (which may not be worth it?)
 
@Vinay I dont know you well enough to go to a private room bro
 
Python is pretty cool
 
unless you're paying
 
@rlemon PASCAL :P
 
me: "but why can't we just use C?"
teacher: "because I don't know C"
me: "well don't you think you should learn it?"
teacher: "well don't you think you should learn Assembly?"
me: "touche"
@Loktar LOL
 
2:06 PM
@Zirak Worth learning?
 
Sure
 
@OctavianDamiean Amaan is asking if Python is worth learning
 
It's not like you're spending the next 10 years of your life on it
Give it a few pokes, if you don't like it, move on
 
I've done that
It seems okay so far
But I can't come up with a project I'd want to use it for
(I can't come up with projects in general, too)
 
I usually come with projects and then pick the language
 
2:08 PM
I usually just take other peoples projects and rewrite them better in a new or same language
well... I would like to think "better"
 
@AmaanCheval same here, it's frustrating :(
 
yeah, that's what I think I'm going to do
@GNi33 Well, share ideas if you have any
I've got IRC bot
 
Only languages which come with built-in projects are ones like Prolog, where you can't not think of awesome stuff like "can it come up with soup recipies?"
 
I've always had an affinity for C and C++, but I don't know either. Florian made me want to learn Common lisp though
 
And maybe a simple chat bot or something
@Zirak Hah, yeah, I remember you dabbling in Prolog
 
2:09 PM
t'was fun
 
@Vivix C and C++ are fun
 
But a little bit too frustrating
 
well, i'm working on a game right now, that'll have to do for the next time
 
@rlemon I've always had the impression of that. That and that they're efficient-
 
@rlemon Sure, C++ is fun, if you call being hit in the nuts by a dragon "fun"
 
2:10 PM
@GNi33 Will it be open sauce? :p
 
of course
 
common reaction: I didn't understand the language RIGHT away so I hate it.
many people feel this way about JS
 
@GNi33 Browser game?
 
but right now everything is very experimental, as i have no clue what i'm doing :D
yep, canvas - stuff
 
Awesome
 
2:11 PM
I hate languages because of their chosen syntax. CoffeeScript, Ruby, Python, pretty much anything with whitespace denoted blocks
 
Tell me if you need some help. I'd love to contribute (if I have the time)
 
oh whitespaced denoted- no {} or ()?
 
afk for a bit
 
That would severly confuse me
 
2:12 PM
but i just haven't got enough time right now really
 
@GNi33 Oh, yeah, I saw that a while back
@Vivix Yeah
 
@Vivix It does at first, but like how you learn to see braces, you learn to see indentation
 
blockStarts:
 blah
 blah
 
Python is a general-purpose, interpreted high-level programming language whose design philosophy emphasizes code readability. Its syntax is said to be clear and expressive.
 
But I don't mind it that much
 
2:13 PM
it is the only thing that has kept me from really getting into these languages
I just rage quit in the first five minutes of starting to write code like that
 
It's a bit annoying at first, and I keep putting semi-colons in, but Python is neat once you get through that.
 
I guess everything is possible to learn, but- yeah. Python is fairly common- so might touch that once in a while
no semicolons either? hm
 
@rlemon Shit I totally missed that ... had a phone call.
 
It depends on how you read, and how you were taught to read it, I suppose, but I think closures and semicolon enhance readability- but, never really tried anything without
 
Python a Ruby are defiantly worth learning. if for no other reason than SO MANY projects are written in them
 
2:14 PM
@AmaanCheval Yes! Totally, go for it!
 
Ruby. Ugh. Ruby is annoying.
Proper annoying.
 
@rlemon Is that a he or a she?
 
I see a lot of opensource games written in Python, and I do want to make some games now and then- even if I'd rather write a book or CYOA
 
@KendallFrey uncasted
 
For a loose language, it doesn't hesitate to fuck you at every corner.
 
2:16 PM
How so?
 
@Zirak What a biatch!
 
also, this is probably silly, but how do you get a GUI for Python apps?
 
@AmaanCheval There are a couple of toolkits for that.
 
typeof(python.constructor) === "shemale"
 
Callbacks are annoying. Optional arguments are annoying. Classes are annoying. I was even annoyed by hashes.
 
2:17 PM
OS specific?
 
Ah, thanks
 
If I were you, I'd look into PyQt.
Qt in general, not PyQt specifically.
 
Yeah, I've heard of it
 
Qt is nice
 
Sooooooo disapointed
I was so expecting it was all done in CSS
 
Qt Creator I didn't so much like tbh
 
And no, an effing spritesheet
 
maybe it's my hatred towards IDEs now that I have been freed from them
 
2:19 PM
so I just found out last night theres a #stackoverflow on freenode
 
full of assholes?
 
@dievardump, what kind of sorcery is that?!! :O
 
@Adnan sorcery?
 
@AmaanCheval WOT! You're 16 and from India? There bursts my bubble of you being mid-twenty and American. O_O
 
@dievardump seems ok actually
 
2:20 PM
it's shit yeah
 
The link!
 
@Loktar lolwut?
 
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Q: What is meant by sandboxing?

GeekSanboxing is listed as one of the many security features in html5 specification . Can someone explain what is meant by sandboxing? Does it relate to HTML only or to JavaScript also?

 
@Feeds, I don't like you!
 
agreed
 
2:22 PM
Don't be a dick. Don't publish logs. | Are you here for help? Go to stackoverflow.com
^ the motd for the chan
so they don't want people to be dicks
 
@Octavian Heh, what gave you that impression?
 
How do you add a new class to a "td"? As in... not replace all the existing ones, but add a new one.

Like: <td class="something"> </td>
OR: <td class="something this"> </td>

Would become:
<td class="that something"> </td>
<td class="that something this"> </td>
 
@Shiki Have you tried google?
 
worst part of my day: designing winforms GUIs
:(
 
@AmaanCheval Only god knows ...
 
2:25 PM
@Shiki ClassName += " newClassNameWithASpaceBeforeItSoTheyDontJoin";
 
Shiki, you'd probably have to input the class entirely
yes like that
 
but do it twice and you are screwed
 
className*
 
@AmaanCheval I want her to try and learn :P
 
@OctavianDamiean Uwe Scheuch knows too, the guy knows everything
 
2:26 PM
autocorrect is a bitch
 
@Zirak: Like tds[1].Google = "class"?
 
tds[1].Google.className += " new class"; // are you not listening to me?
 
user1607528
hey guys, i want to learn javascript, what directions you could give to me? From what to begin?
 

Javascript Resources.

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Bookmarked Sep 4 at 13:40 by rlemon

 
@rlemon: Cheers man, you are the best. Can I get one of you in my corner so I could get help all the time? Like Clippit.
 
2:27 PM
just ping me here
 
Hahahahahaha
 
I'll get it
 
@Shiki Yes. Just like that.
 
Make an rlemon app!
 
and don't be a help vampire. make sure of that slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires
 
2:27 PM
@Octavian I'll just take that as a compliment then :p
 
@Shiki oh, that sounds dirty
 
Hah.
@rlemon : I've been on IRC for too long... I know those vampires. :)
(And I'm sorry for asking so many things, only a few bugs left in the site.)
 
no worries. Just making sure you know about them :P and don't ever become one :P
you are new here, So I have to assume you are unaware
 
Well, I'm a SU user mainly, and I do try to Google all the time, but my Google-fu skills fail on me these times.
 
I think my neighbour just exploded. Either that, or he sneezes like a zombie.
 
2:31 PM
lol
 
1 hour ago, by rlemon
There was a lady who lived down the street from me growing up named Sandy..... she effected infected me.
Don't say we didn't warn you.
 
(Like seriously I tried that one too. But Google didn't find anything, and even SO search threw me just jQuery.)
 
You should have looked for something more general
Like changing an attribute using the DOM
 
Yeah, rlemon_clippit.exe .. alrite I'll just shut up and code. (That will get me further I guess. :D)
 
@Shiki check that out ^
old code, I would review it some before using it
 
2:33 PM
Nice!!
 
I wrote that when I was just getting back into js after a few years
and iirc some browsers use HTMLElement and not Element
but yea, there is some code to look at :P
 
Why does MittRomney looks like an asshole and BarackObama looks like the clever guy everywhere except in USA? Is it because USA people dared vote twice for Bush?
 
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Q: Correct use of wpAjax.parseAjaxResponse

AlxVallejoSeems I'm stuck figuring out how to parse the XML doc response from my Ajax. I can see the successful response in Firebug: <?xml version='1.0' standalone='yes'?> <wp_ajax> <response action='reverify_1'><reverify id='1' position='1'> <response_data> <![CDATA[T...

 
@dievardump the south
 
@dievardump because there are idiots like Bill O'Reilly, and people that aren't able to critically think about what the media feeds them
dammit, if i ever meet Bill O'Reilly in real life....
 
2:38 PM
I think its the contrary. We have very differing opinions due to people critically thinking.
 
"Terrorists there, anti-USA people over there, not-patriotic-enough guys here. Screw them up, America FUCK YEAH!"
that pretty much sums up what this guy has ever spoken about, right?
 
who? Orielly?
 
I tell you what the problem is, the lack of choice is the problem.
 
@OctavianDamiean I would like more choices for sure
 
What? I just found this page and it looks.."weird"..
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee692907.aspx

It's a Microsoft site but it's written weird
 
2:40 PM
mittromney.com/issues/values just read he is a tool
 
Like you have two choices, either republican or democratic. There's no diversity like in most EU countries.
 
In canada we have a convoluted system but it ensures not a single party gains too much power
 
@Loktar You have more.
But people are not allowed to debate
When you'll have a democracy, you'll be able to have choice
 
@dievardump yeah true
if you vote outside of dem or repub currently you're throwing your vote away unfortunately
 
> Mitt Romney is pro-life. He believes it speaks well of the country that almost all Americans recognize that abortion is a problem. And in the quiet of conscience, people of both political parties know that more than a million abortions a year cannot be squared with the good heart of America.
 
2:43 PM
Which country has a good government?
 
meh Im anti abortion as well.
 
say goodbye to freedoms and pretty much quality of life as you know it
 
You are? Like to make abortion illegal?
 
Abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control.
 
@Loktar that is fine, but do you at least understand that you should not be able to force that opinion on the rest of the 299 999 999 people in your country
 
2:44 PM
"oops I had sex at the party, Im prego, better get the abortion!"
 
@Loktar agreed - it is a problem. the solution is not to outlaw it
 
Loktar what about rape abortions?
 
@AmaanCheval I would say France.
 
@Loktar i agree with you on that
 
2:44 PM
@FlorianMargaine idk really. I personally am not for abortion but in cases like that I have no problem with morning after pill etc.
but if you're raped and wait 6 months to get an abortion I think its wrong.
 
Even if I don't agree with more than 70% of the current French President program, I think it's a good government
 
my beef with this guy is he will impose his own Personal religious beliefs on the entire country.
 
It may not be "waiting"
 
@rlemon abortion isn't a religious issue
I know athiests against it.
 
his views on womens rights is ubsurd
 
2:45 PM
Germany has, for me, a good government too.
It's a strong one, and they have good results
 
@rlemon Playing devil's advocate here, then murder should be legal just because even if you think it is wrong, you shouldn't force that opinion on the rest?
 
@Loktar his main reason for being against it is his religion
 
regardless of the reason I still agree :P
 
@Neil that is retarded
 
if his religion tells him to donate money Im cool with it.
 
2:46 PM
Isn't the fetus not considered alive for the first few months?
 
@AmaanCheval It's not about good or bad, in the end power will corrupt. The important question is, which government specifies rules and sets and enforces restrictions not to let a single party or politician get too much power.
 
@AmaanCheval idk, but thats just people trying to make themselves feel better.
 
abortion views were an example guys
 
if you're raped thats one thing
if you use it as a form of birth control you are a worthless individual imo.
 
> Marriage is more than a personally rewarding social custom. It is also critical for the well-being of a civilization.
> That is why it is so important to preserve traditional marriage – the joining together of one man and one woman. As president, Mitt will not only appoint an Attorney General who will defend the Defense of Marriage Act – a bipartisan law passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton – but he will also champion a Federal Marriage Amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman.
 
2:47 PM
It really does come down to "When does life start?", and also "When is the fetus no longer part of the woman's body?"
 
he is all over shit like this
 
when it comes to marriage I'm for consenting adults
 
But it's not only a physical health thing... it's a mental health thing. For both the child and the parent.
 
@RyanKinal I think that's the rationale that pro-lifers make
 
he wants to shove his religion down the throat of every american, and if you don't like it, too fucking bad.
 
2:48 PM
You can't say that on day X of a pregnancy, a fetus is "alive"
 
now, a lot of people will be like "ohhh no some atheists are worried"
 
Even if you could, it would definitely vary from fetus to fetus
 
In the end, I think it's a personal choice that people should be free to make
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there are many many religions in the USA that will be effected by this guy
 
I disagree.
 
2:49 PM
Fully agree.
 
Agreed
 
I'd love to see an atheist president at some point.
 
@rlemon Agreed
 
Agreed
 
2:49 PM
lol nice fear mongering
 
@ThiefMaster lol, not gonna happen. Not for a long time.
 
considering Obama has kepytmany of Bushes policies in place
 
Why would he touch religion? That's political suicide, even if he wanted to
 
and is responsible for more UAV attacks than any president in history.
 
Obama isn't perfect dude, but he sure as hell is the lesser of two evils
 
2:50 PM
It depends on your view of evil
 
I would choose Obama over Mitt to run my country
 
@Loktar What's the bad part about that?
 
@OctavianDamiean which part?
 
The thing is, I think there's a big problem already with the way religion is integrated into government.
 
@Loktar More UAV attacks.
 
2:50 PM
@RyanKinal there certainly is.
 
The problem is we constantly go into Pakistan and kill people.
 
and Mitt wants to make it worse, and put it on paper
 
agrees with Ryan
 
@RyanKinal Nah, talk to an arab citizen sometime and you'll see the difference
 
Even American citizens.
 
2:51 PM
@Loktar Well that's a problem but nothing to blame Obama for, that's what America did for decades.
 
@OctavianDamiean Obama continues it
 
@Neil I'm not saying there aren't bigger problems elsewhere. I'd just like to have currency that doesn't say "God" on it. I'd like it to be possible that an Atheist or a Muslim could become president.
 
America does that?
 
Do you really think your President has that much power? That he could stop it if he just wanted?
 
@RyanKinal "I'd like to have an abortion."
"How old is the fetus?"
"8."
"8 months?"
"No, 8 years."
 
2:52 PM
I hope you don't believe that he really has that much power.
 
@RyanKinal I see what you mean by that
 
lol
 
MITT IS AN IDIOT
there I'm done now
 
...as are all Americans.
 
American politics piss me off because they are soo fucking retarded I cannot believe the country is being run by these people
 
2:53 PM
^
 
@Zirak Do I sense a dead baby joke coming soon?
 
here is a thought , US's civil war was a mistake. There should have been two countries.
 
@OctavianDamiean considering he authorizes them.
Yes I do think he could stop them.
 
Another one, that is
 
The United States government has made hundreds of attacks on targets in northwest Pakistan since 2004 using drones (unmanned aerial vehicles) controlled by the Central Intelligence Agency's Special Activities Division. These attacks are part of the United States' War on Terrorism campaign, seeking to defeat Taliban and Al-Qaeda militants in Pakistan. Some media refer to the series of attacks as a "drone war". Pakistan's government publicly condemns these attacks, but has secretly shared intelligence with the United States and also allegedly allowed the drones to operate from Shamsi Ai...
 
2:54 PM
@Loktar There's way more than that.
 
> Power Could Be Out in Manhattan for Days, Con Ed Says
One is wondering if planning to go to NYC next week, for five days, was a good idea
 
Hi, could anybody suggest me ..I am using the OR operator for the following code ... Please rectify the error....
window.batch_answer_value || window.batch_rdsap_answer || window.batch_answer_checkbox
 
In December 2009 expansion of the drone attacks was authorized by President Barack Obama to parallel the decision to send 30,000 more American troops to Afghanistan.[38]
Whos decision was that?
Wasn't congress.
 
@Vinay I can spot a huge mistake there.
 
2:55 PM
anyway those are some of the issues I have.
 
Please... tell that
 
Why are you messing with the window object like that? I mean how are you defining your variables?
 
Mitt and Obama are both shit :) lol
and I wont vote for either.
 
lol
 
Agreed
 
2:56 PM
I was about to say....
 
I was about to ask.
 
@OctavianDamiean I just declared the variable as global
 
:cough: Jill Stein :cough:
 
2:57 PM
^ that right there. your government should not be the one to decide your marriage, family, OR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
@Vinay Well, good job there.
 
yeah ...
 
Im going with Gary Johnson @RyanKinal
 
Yeah, she looks like a good candidate from what I've read
 
so long as it's not Mitt I really could care less who wins
Mitt I fear will start WW3
 
2:57 PM
here is the sad part , if you are outside USA, you are more likely to know who Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are
 
@Loktar I'm cool with that. He seems like a decent dude.
 
In France, the motto against Gay marriage is " One mom, One dad, we don't lie to children"
 
@rlemon they shouldn't decide your healthcare either, or mandate you have it.
 
@dievardump Damn
 
@OctavianDamien... Please tell me whats the error and what's the good way?
 
2:58 PM
@dievardump wtf
 
@tereško Exactly.
 
lots of things the gov should not have their hands in that they do.
 
@Loktar you don't want public healthcare? or are you talking about Mitts stupid womens healthcare rights crap
 
@dievardump IVF actually might confuse that part
 
I don't want federal healthcare.
State id be ok with.
My main issue is the personal mandate forcing you to have some sort or you're fined.
 
2:59 PM
Also, parents do lie to their children
 
yea we have provincial healthcare
 
Quite a lot
 
@dievardump So, who tells them about Santa?
 
Why am I pointing the obvious out? :p
 
so OHIP covers me when I need pretty much anything - work insurance for prescription drugs - petty cash for all other drugs ;)
 
2:59 PM
@Vinay Make an educated guess.
 

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