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10:02 PM
If you build a hierarchy based on things you've learned 30 seconds ago, intermingled with things you've vaguely understood, it's not helpful
 
At no point did I defend and say it's right, I just said it's my opinion, and I put it up for discussion so I can learn more about these things
 
@roganjosh there's actually more than that. Assuming that there's a single value of "goodness" for such drastically different tools and trying to order them is... not very helpful
 
Andras, I just give a few points, or should I expose a scientific paper?
 
Please do the latter, because peer review would give you useful feedback
 
It's just a chat
I can't provide a topic for discussion?
I just gave my opinion
I am not saying that this is the TRUE
 
10:06 PM
Nobody said that you can or can't do something. You gave your opinion and you were given feedback of said opinion. In the frame of a discussion for which you provided the topic.
 
"You're espousing ideas on what people should or should not do (...) " Roganjosh
Where I said that the people should do what I said?
And I also said, IMO
 
He also said "I respect that far more than things being presented as fact that others might take away" in the same message, the point being that people who don't know any better might misunderstand your random claims about ordering all these serialisation methods, and think it's solid advice.
 
This is under the context that I am just chatting about it
About my opinion
Is it forbidden to discuss about opinion? Should this opinion be true?
 
"IMO" is not a question - it's a statement.
 
10:10 PM
IMO = In My Opinion
Yeah, it's a statement
 
Glad we got that sorted
 
Who said that is a question?
 
I wasn't really paying attention, but I think y'all are blowing this out of proportion
 
I agree, Aran
Bad to know that anything said here in this chat must be true, it must be stated in the rules of this room that it is forbidden to give an opinion (unless it is true, scientifically proven)
 
Exhibit A:
2 days ago, by Marco
Roganjosh, this is true? "It's no different than C running on windows"
Do you not come here for some ground truth?
 
10:16 PM
And... ?
 
If you present the hierarchy as an informed position, when really it's your understanding, then things get confusing
 
Who said I presented it as an informed position?
 
I did, exactly when you posted the hierarchy and then said "IMO" after it.
 
I'm just arguing, conjecturing about it.
 
But not questioning about it. You would see the difference if you get on the receiving end of questions about this kind of thing
 
10:19 PM
I have provided information based on my opinion, nothing more, to start a discussion on the matter. That simple.
 
You didn't ask "is this correct?" based on the new info you received and then tried to order it
 
So I should ask "is this correct?" When someone gives an opinion, should anyone believe that to be the true truth?
 
No, but they will :/
 
Really? Based on what do you say that opinions are the true truth?
 
Have you been on the main feed?
 
10:23 PM
Yeah, why?
 
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@roganjosh This message is ok, but my answers not, it's fair?
 
When I have free time, I'll talk to a moderator about the whole situation that happened here, including the ban I took.
 
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@Marco please do
 
10:32 PM
You know you don't have to let me
 
Of course. I'm merely encouraging you to do so.
 
You're so confident about "it's not me neither Roganhjosh wrong, it's just you", congratulations
 
Not really
 
What a good
 
This is just as public to moderators or other room members, it's just segregated to help stop the discussion interrupting the main room
 
10:37 PM
I know that, what is your point?
 
I don't have one. I was responding to yours
 
Do you think I should be scared or hide from moderation?
 
3 mins ago, by Marco
You're so confident about "it's not me neither Roganhjosh wrong, it's just you", congratulations
 
And ... ??
Where/what is your point?
 
That's your point
I don't have one
As I already just said
 
10:39 PM
I don't know what you are saying, man
Sorry
Take care
 
Then let's rewind. You're unhappy, and the discussion has been moved to some place that is more appropriate for you to express why you're unhapy
 
This is pretty obvious but I will only continue to talk about it with a moderator, I have nothing else to talk about with you or Andras
 
Ok
 
Good
 
@Marco Just to be clear; this room comes under the same moderation as any other (it's public) and Andras and I will continue to be Room Owners (ROs) of the Python chat.
 
10:45 PM
The one who doesn't understand is you, Roganjosh, I don't know why you're quoting this room (MetaPython). You know moderators can also judge room owners, right? So it is. And did I say that you or Andras will no longer own the Python room?
 
Moderators can, and do, judge me. What I can't get a grip on is you as a person tbh
And I don't mean that in a nasty way at all
 
Okay, we got it, so
Do whatever you want
I just want peace
 
You're a moving target for me. I don't want to make you unhappy, but I'm struggling to pin down something we can agree on and move from there
@Marco I want the same
 
I just didn't like being mistreated, I heard a lot of bad things, Roganjosh, I was just giving my opinion, plus I was banned for a few minutes by Andras, I already had a problem with Andras once and the moderator, as I recall, didn't like some of the things he did, but that's beside the point
I was just talking, several times you answer me harshly and for no reason, I just gave an opinion on a subject to talk about it
 
lots to unpack!
I give direct responses. I don't intend to insult anyone, but if there's a serious problem then I might save you hours of debugging]
 
10:54 PM
I think it was unnecessary to treat an opinion I said as if it were the true truth and blame me for "spreading incorrect information"
 
Can you please clarify "true truth"? You've used it a lot
 
And say that if I don't know about it, I shouldn't talk about it, something like that, even though I made it clear that it was just an opinion
@roganjosh Just a BIG TRUE
But that doesn't matter, it can convert to just "true"
 
Well maybe this is our source of disagreement. You have levels of truth whereas I just see something as true or false
 
I get the impression that a lot of people who has little reputation is disrespected in the SO community. If I had thousands of reputation points, you wouldn't say what you said to me.
@roganjosh I already said this was just a way of talking, convert it to the true word and that's it
 
@Marco We're outside the confines of the Python room - bull shit.
There are lots of people with lots of rep that have no idea what they're talking about
 
11:00 PM
@roganjosh I don't get it, but it's ok
@roganjosh Right
 
@Marco swearing is against the rules in the main room
But this discussion as a whole is probably beyond me tonight if I'm honest
 
@roganjosh Was that something like "we're in a nice special room"?
@roganjosh I've also spent a lot of time arguing in the Python room and here, and I honestly don't know if our conversation is getting us anywhere.
 
This isn't a special room on the SO side. It's just a place to discuss what goes on in the main Python room, and I've taken poetic license to try level with you
 
Okay, I don't know what you mean by "try level with me", I didn't say any bad words/swearing words, but ok
 
"Level with you" doesn't mean that I have to mirror your language, it only means to express how I actually feel
 
11:07 PM
And how actually you feel?
 
I'm done with this discussion.
 
I'm done too
Good night
 
Good night
 

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