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4:07 PM
This is why we end up with fractional votes.
 
Zoe
s/end.*/can't have nice things
 
Sorry for the confusion. I was obliquely (a bit too obliquely, it seems) commenting on the oddity of using the word "excess" there.
We don't know if we can have nice things yet or not; the election isn't over.
 
@Catija lots of fractions all add up though I guess :)
 
4:28 PM
doesn't stack use meek stv?
or regular stv?
 
> We will calculate the winners using OpaVote with the Meek STV method
 
yeah I saw
@Smitop introducing randomness into an election process would be pure madness
imagine an election that changes results depending on how often you count it.
 
@magisch I'm struggling to get use to the gravatar... I miss the cactus... :(
 
G'morning all
 
@JonClements refresh my chat profile then
I don't think I can do that
 
4:40 PM
done
 
Suddenly, as if by magic...
 
yay... that's so much better than pinky/purply shapes! happy puppy!
 
It's a catcus playing with a tumbleweed like a normal cat would with a ball of yarn
 
@magisch you're not going to eat it and then go start gagging it up in the corner of the room though are you? :p
 
no
i am a plant after all
plants dont eat
 
4:50 PM
unless they're a venus fly trap?
 
I guess
 
I think there's quite a few carvinerous plants...
Ahh yes... good old wiki - just a couple of 'em: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivorous_plant
 
TIL there exists a plant that captures prey for a specific species of bug in return for the bug shitting on the plant, therefore providing it with necessary nutrients
 
@RyanM Well you're now aware. Mission accomplished. ;)
 
@magisch well...
 
4:59 PM
@OlegValter I know what you mean and lets really not get into that
 
@magisch too late :)
 
@OlegValter "This method is not recommended for actual elections, but you may find it interesting to compare with other methods."
 
obviously :) just ironic that STV has all the needs covered
 
I find an election that is decided on a dice roll fundamentally unfair tbh
there should be a discrete, deterministic system of counting that every participant needs to be aware of before the election
 
even if it is a D20? Seems like this one had a lot of 1s (or 20s depending on how you look at it)
 
5:04 PM
yeah even then
even though the vast majority of voters never do, as a voter part of my choice is based on the election system
 
There are a surprisingly number of elections decided by a coin flip after they end in a tie.
 
i will often imagine outcomes I want and outcomes I dont want, and then vote in a way that maximizes the contribution of my vote towards outcomes I want and minimizes the vice versa
 
(and that tiebreak is known in advance)
@magisch I know my vote will never contribute to the outcome I want, so I vote my conscience.
 
I can respect that
but in the most recent german election for instance the sole overriding purpose for me to go vote at all was to minimize the influence of the extremist right
Even though I would have probably voted for a smaller, not represented in parliament party if I voted my exact conscience, I found it more important to minimize the number of seats the extremists would get.
 
Without getting too political, what type of system is used in Germany? First past the post or other?
 
5:08 PM
first past the post in individual mandates and then proportional representation overall
with minimum 5% or 2 direct mandates to be represented at all.
You get 2 votes, one for a direct mandate candidate and one for a party
In my county for instance, enough people voting strategically like me managed to prevent an extremist MP from being elected, with the moderate conservative candidate ending up receiving the mandate.
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is happening at the moment, and 25,955 (3.11% of 835,437 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
5:25 PM
@ElectionBot when is the election over?
 
Stack Overflow Election 13 Schedule
Nomination: 2021-10-11 20:00:00Z
Primary:    never
Election:   2021-10-18 20:00:00Z <-- current phase
Ended:      2021-10-26 20:00:00Z
 
Why does the election go for 8 days when nomination only went for 7?
 
If there's a primary, 8 days splits into 4/4, which is "better" than 3/4.
Also, it means we don't have to be ending elections and giving people diamonds and all of that stuff on the same day we're launching and transitioning them.
With 170+ sites we generally have 6-8 elections going at any given time.
 
Interesting! Thanks!
 
5:41 PM
@Catija "and all of that stuff"? :p
 
for instance, procuring scooby snacks for any elected dogs
 
I think they forgot that bit :)
Although if I want a Jurassic Park themed cake - I know where to go :)
 
my own activity tab returns an error
frown
 
Maybe you've been making mistakes?
 
6:11 PM
@Catija What is involved in giving people diamonds?
 
IIRC, last time around, Machavity and Makyen had their diamonds displayed within minutes of the election result being determined/announced.
There was a conversation between one and a certain CM about flags, shovels and bulldozers.
 
6:44 PM
@AdrianMole And they have to be actually online in order to agree to the mod agreement
 
@Magisch Don't they sign that agreement when they submit their nomination?
 
@AdrianMole nope - you need to accept it after being elected to actually get access to the full diamond stuff
 
I think it's an extra affirmative checkbox thing
 
OK. You can understand my ignorance, though.
 
probably to ensure you can prove with a timestamp when someone has explicitly read and agreed to it
mods get access to private data, so stack probably needs the legal certainty of being absolutely positive and being able to prove the future mods read it and agreed to it
 
6:53 PM
Yeah... you have to check a box and agree to stackoverflow.com/legal/moderator-agreement (fairly sure it's okay to link here - it's not exactly top secret and copies/links of it are out there anyway) before you get proper diamond access
 
Zoe
@Magisch PII access is logged IIRC
 
@Zoe It is indeed...
 
@Dharman mostly? Just pushing a button... There's other things that go along with it... updating chat profiles, adding them to the Team, welcoming them to the TL and the site mod room... answering questions. Lots of little things. Plus wrapping the election (counting ballots, posting announcements), some internal tracking button clicking.
@JonClements you saw my cake?
 
@Catija I'm going to have to unfollow you on twitter... all that happens is you end up making me hungry :)
 
Hahaha
 
7:00 PM
(what with waffles, cakes and cupcakes etc...)
Really impressive stuff though... hopefully he's feeling better and has managed some of it?
 
Yeah. Anyone following me may end up disappointed that I spend more time posting about food than Stack Exchange
@JonClements he's doing great!
Currently climbing on me.
 
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is in progress, and 26,015 (3.11% of 835,443 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer frequently-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@Catija meh... loads of people post about SO/SE - food's way more interesting most of the time :p
So... how much cake did you leave this poor ol' puppy? :)
 
Omg. I have so many cupcakes left. We canceled his party, but I'd already made the cupcakes.
 
7:14 PM
I wish I had a matter transmitter.
 
Would be useful... probably has more practical uses than teleporting cupcakes across the Atlantic though :p
 
user image
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oh cool and a Transformers t-shirt!
 
Most of his presents were transformers. He loves Bumblebee.
 
Surprised they're still a thing... but then I suppose that's down to the film franchise
I use to get a fair bit of transformer stuff as a kid... it was only the cartoon then though... but for a few birthdays I got the books that came with a cassette so you could play that and read-along with the book at the same time...
 
7:19 PM
He's in my lap holding a bumblebee and an Optimus Prime. I think there's a big resurgence of any toys that were popular with my cohort... so nes Mario, Star Wars, Transformers... all really popular. I think people my age (and older ) like sharing a lot of their childhood toys with their own kids.
 
(even got an optimus prime transformer one birthday... was I happy boy!)
Transformers and the other one was Thundercats... had all the figures and the actual thundertank! \o/
 
Yeah. There's a refresh of Lots of the tv shows, too. He-Man, She-Ra... there's like 4-5 different Transformers shows Spider-Man is also really big for the 3-8 crowd right now.
 
Ahh... he-man and she-ra - definitely classics
Everyone feel free to pipe up about election related stuff before @Catija and I fall down a wormhole back to the 80s :)
@Catija found the Thundertank I had :)
 
The 80s were good times! :)
 
I wonder whether I could record the process of wrapping up an election so that people could see what it looks like on our end... but I'd have to make sure there isn't any PII visible. Just also not sure whether that's something people would find interesting. There's some screenshots in the post on MSE about the rebuild from when that happened.
 
7:29 PM
I'd imagine it's probably not worth it... at least not trying to get it in place for this one anyway
 
Nah. Was thinking more generally.
 
@Catija probably only people who are very interested in backend details would be really interested
 
Is it "backend" if it's built into the UI?
Everything is just hidden behind CM permissions.
 
8:07 PM
would be definitely interesting to see, @Catija :)
 
8:31 PM
@Dharman you can see the frontend code for it at cdn-dev.sstatic.net/Js/cm.en.js
looks like the process is (manually?) demod retiring mods, click on the button to generate opavotes result, click on button to appoint the winners (optionally making them pro-tem)
 
@Catija I take it it's not possible to be a moderator without being in the Team then?
 
It is. We don't require joining.
 
8:47 PM
Oh.. that's nice :)
 
@Scratte do you want to be a mod?
 
@manro Only on the smaller site addicted.to.stackexchange.com I have a lot of knowledge about various ways to get addicted here, so I feel I could probably make a real difference there ;)
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hey @HansPassant - don't often see you in chat... welcome
 
@Scratte this site doesn't exist!
 
@manro I guess my chances to be a moderator are really small then :/
 
8:53 PM
@Scratte it is not a problem, if you have a spare time - you can share with me knowledge ;)
 
@manro To be precise, it says it "doesn't seem to exist…yet." Scratte may have future plans. :-)
 
@DanielWiddis here already a lot of cites for every girl and boy 😁
 
And squirrel?
 
@DanielWiddis Ha! "The Q&A site you are looking for doesn't seem to exist… yet ." Emphasis mine. I may have to check if there's a site about gamification and getting addicted in general, but I doubt it's there. I imagine it would be covered by psychology or something similar .)
 
@DanielWiddis SpongeBob? 😁
 
8:57 PM
@manro No, Ice Age
 
I think there's a rule about sharing PII ;P
 
@DanielWiddis didn't see
@Scratte do you a girl?
 
@Scratte What about RII (Rodent Identifying Information)?
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@manro I don't know. Maybe I don't have gender.. :)
 
@DanielWiddis correction - PSRII (Prehistoric Sabretooth Rodent Identifying Information)!
 
9:00 PM
^^ + flying
PSFRII
 
@Scratte how?)
You are girl 🤗
 
Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is happening at the moment, and 26,072 (3.12% of 835,450 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer frequently-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
I'm whatever you decide me to be :) I have no issues with accuracy on this topic.
@DanielWiddis Shouldn't it be PFSRII?
 
Waffles. Figured it out
 
Pancakes are great too.
 
9:08 PM
@Scratte Indeed, PFSRII lends itself better to "ProFeSsoRy" indicating your knowledge and teaching skills, whilst PSFRII is like "PawS FoR Aye Aye" which is just silly.
 
Zoe
@DanielWiddis Or you just don't have a high enough security clearance :p
 
 
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10:08 PM
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- What is an election
- How to nominate myself
- How to vote
- Who should I vote for
- How is candidate score calculated
- What is my candidate score
- What are the moderation/participation/editing/required badges
- What is the election status
- When is the election starting/ending
- When is the next phase
- How many users have voted?
- How many users are eligible to vote?
- How many positions are elected
- Who are the candidates
- Who are the current mods
- What is Single Transferable Vote?
- What is Meek STV?
- Where can the ballot file be found?
 
Who are the candidates
 
At the moment, there are 5 nominees: Zoe, Ryan M, Dharman, Daniel Widdis, Stephen Rauch
 
Who have withdrawn?
 
There are 3 candidates who have withdrawn: Tamás Sengel, Johnny Bones, Shree
 
10:11 PM
This is inconsistent, i think. The previous aswer was just about the current election
 
Both answers are about the current election.
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Zoe
The current election includes the nomination phase, where two people withdrew from the election
 
Probably you should answer by default only about the current election on any questions
 
@ElectionBot What are the phases?
 
Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell...
 
10:13 PM
Phases, not phrases
 
Oh, i see
 
I think this bot would prefer phasers.
 
I didn't think these two was for current election
As only one candidate is grayed out, the other seem to just disappear
 
Those who withdrew during the nomination phase had their posts removed. Apparently, that's not possible once the next (voting) phase started.
 
Yeah, once the Election itself starts, the rules change
 
10:22 PM
Is the reason for the current election team extension, or replacement of previously participated mods?
 
Expansion of the team.
Mostly.
Some mods stood down a few years ago but I think those numbers have already been made up.
 
@AnnZen since I was too late to respond before the question got deleted for being off-topic: (A) it is intentional - the feature's only recently been added, and it is also quite heavy on its own. Calculating candidate score is heavy too, so for now it was decided to leave it defaulted to 0. Adding its calculation for withdrawn nominees is on my personal todo list, though
(B) bugs can be reported directly on the repository. There is also a template for feature requests
 
10:38 PM
@ElectionBot who can vote?
 
reticulating splines
 
How to vote
 
If you have at least 150 reputation, you can rank the candidates in your preferred order in the election. If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
How many users are eligible to vote?
 
835,460 users are eligible to vote in the election.
 
10:43 PM
Aww.. now you went and spoiled the fun :)
 
hmm?
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is happening at the moment, and 26,102 (3.12% of 835,460 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer frequently-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
11:02 PM
@OlegValter Thanks!
 
3,12% haha, where is all?
 
@AnnZen NP!
 
Do you know, that i was received a letter from SO?)
Congrats! You’ve unlocked review queues
What i should do?
I'm a little moderator now? 😁
 
@manro Yes, you are. :)
@manro Help us out in moderating content and visit the review queues. :). Please carefully read what you're supposed to do, don't be afraid to click "Skip" if you're not sure.
And join this chat room if you have questions about the process.
 
cc @AnnZen - done
 
11:11 PM
@DanielWiddis it is my favourite room 😁
 
@manro A letter? As in an email? Or a notification on the site?
 
@Scratte yes, email
 
Hmm.. that's odd. I didn't know they did that.
 
check your email, (moment, when you achieved 500 rep)
 
I think maybe that should be a post in the addictive site "What do I do when I get access to the review queues? Is this a trap for addiction?" :)
 
11:14 PM
@manro That was many years ago
 
@manro I did not get an email, but that may be because of my settings.
 
@Scratte secret agent, captain jack? 😁
 
They send those emails sometimes - the policy seems to change from week to week. Also various others at different rep. levels.
 
I have everything in stackoverflow.com/users/email/settings/<myuserid> set to "off"
 
I think "rapid risers" get a special one at 10k.
 
11:17 PM
I've seen one of those in a meta post.
I'm hoping to get one saying "Congratulations on posting 100K chat messages" :P
 
I need reputation there as hell. It will be my sole portfolio in IT-area 💪 i can point out, that i can repair cars, but i think it will be redundant 😁
 
I would really advise not making SO reputation a part of your portfolio
 
Funny.. I need my car repaired :)
 
@OlegValter hm, why?
 
@OlegValter If it's the only thing you have, then it's probably not a good idea to not include it.
 
11:20 PM
@Scratte what do you need?
 
@Scratte I would suggest building a small open-source project as a much better alternative
 
@manro It was mostly a joke. But I do have a few scratches on it. I usually just repaint with a brush. Makes it look like old crap, which is fine with me. It's less likely to get stolen :)
@OlegValter Right.. that's a good idea too :) Make a competing electionbot ;)
 
Thanks! You're awesome!
 
I see someone feels they need a holiday ;)
 
@Scratte ye, you are like a Columbo 😁
 
11:24 PM
@manro Huh? Is that a reference to the detective?
 
@Scratte do you remember his car? How it looks?
 
@manro I expect kind of like this
 
@Scratte yes)
Old Peugeot
 
@manro as it is not the number of points that makes a valuable contributor but rather the quality of posts
 
@OlegValter of course, but with bad posts you cant achieve a lot of reputation, agree?
Although, some old inactive users have tons of reputation
With famous questions
Etc
 
11:28 PM
That's the general idea of the site. Good post usually gets more up votes. But.. it's not a rule.
 
And now for something completely different - The election is happening at the moment, and 26,114 (3.13% of 835,458 eligible) users have already voted! I can answer frequently-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@ElectionBot how much time is left in the election
 
Tell that to the aliens.
 
@ElectionBot when will the election end
 
The election ends at 2021-10-26 20:00:00Z (in 1 day).
 
11:34 PM
That's some serious rounding. :D
 
When is the next phase
 
The election is currently in the final voting phase, ending at 2021-10-26 20:00:00Z (in 1 day).
 
What is the election status
 
The election is in the final voting phase. You may now cast your election ballot in order of your top three preferred candidates.
 
@manro you would be surprized if you knew how many get away with it
 
11:36 PM
@OlegValter how?
 
Like this: :O
 
@ElectionBot Only the top 3? Looks like you need an update. :)
 
error - AI not installed
 
@DanielWiddis definitely - haven't touched it for a long time - might be a leftover
 
@OlegValter this is not fair (
Goodbye, pals 🙏
 
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