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1:25 AM
Huh, I didn't notice I got 3 slots on the star board :p
 
I warned you.
 
I've mostly been on my phone today, and chat on a phone leaves a lot to be desired... You know the only way to see stars without requesting the desktop version of the page is a link in a hamburger menu to this page... Which doesn't have a responsive design anyway
 
There's no stars on the mobile version of chat?
 
There's stars on the right of messages, no starboard though
 
declines to make joke about star(-)board
 
1:33 AM
The worst part though is the text field for messages only showing 1 line at a time, constantly disappearing and only reappearing when scrolling the page... god forbid if you want to modify a multiline message you're typing, takes me 10+ attempts to place the cursor every time
 
@AdrianMole can't believe I never thought of this
 
I believe somebody has.
 
And.... I'm an idiot and mightve just killed those links
 
I've discussed before how it's quite appropriate that the star board is on the starboard side.
 
At the very least theyll die within a few hours
 
1:39 AM
@Nick They're Discord links...
Do they actually work outside of Discord?
 
Yes, but I deleted the message which the images were posted in not thinking, so the files will be deleted before long xd
I would upload the images to stack, but idk how on phone
 
Oh. I did not realize this was a "You're doing it all wrong"-day.
 
Well, yeah. That makes sense to me, though. You should be able to compose a reply even after you've scrolled up to read someone else's message.
 
1:44 AM
Err, that one I've never seen.
Maybe if you got yourself a real phone ;-)
 
@CodyGray you can, but the text field normally stays at the bottom of the view port
The issues all happening seemingly at random makes for chatting on phone to be an unpleasant experience
In fact, most of the issues only appear when trying to take part in an active discussion (as in, you're scrolled to the bottom of the feed), if you scroll up the feed they tend not to appear. But then you don't see new messages appear
 
2:00 AM
If you don't mind me asking @CodyGray, roughly what proportion of mod flags you handle actually end up getting rejected
 
2:20 AM
@AdrianMole I have received Helpful flags with a "...but do this $other_way in the future" message attached
 
2:35 AM
@RyanM That's cool, I don't think I've ever had one of those.
 
@Scratte Some LQP reviews don't seem to show on profiles. I meant to report it on MSE but it slipped my mind...also never quite figured out the pattern.
 
@RyanM No worries. I was going to find a way to report a bad reviewer, but I'm not convinced that it's a good idea.
 
@Scratte certainly not you.
 
@bad_coder Oh.. certainly me. I'm apparently trolling too.
 
@Scratte no you are not, I was going to answer (in fact I wrote 2 answers).
 
2:42 AM
@bad_coder Answers? Did I post a Question? :D
 
@Scratte no, I have not posted an answer nor a question (at least since yesterday.)
@Scratte I was going to answer Makyen in his last post to you. But...I didn't think I should.
 
Oh. I see. You posted two Answers on main on actual Questions :)
@bad_coder I think that's pretty pointless to be honest.
 
@Scratte I did? That was probably after midnight.
@Scratte good thing I didn't do it then.
 
@bad_coder No. It was a question of mine.. never mind :)
 
@Scratte you wrote a question on SO? :O
 
2:46 AM
@bad_coder You must be crazy :O Of course I didn't do that..
 
@Scratte ok, I just checked your profile and yeah you didn't :)
 
Of all the self-harm I can imagine, I can find things that are more fruitful :)
 
@Scratte HAHAHA that was a brilliant answer :)
 
@Scratte FWIW I've had good results flagging bad reviewers.
 
@RyanM o/
@RyanM hey, we got off on the wrong foot. You started talking with me at a time everyone was picking arguments with me in chat (mostly over frivolous stuff).
 
2:48 AM
@bad_coder ..I burned the inside of my mouth on some cabbage the day before yesterday. It was really acting up yesterday.. I still prefer that :) I expect it'll be gone in a few days.
 
@Scratte you eat cabbage? (That actually has some sort of second meaning in the Python chat room.)
 
@bad_coder No worries. I'm not entirely sure which thing you're referring to, but I'm happy to put whatever it was behind us :-)
 
@RyanM That's the inconsistency.. some have good result. Others don't.
 
Another way to put it: I've yet to have a flag for bad reviewing declined
 
@bad_coder No, actually cabbage :) It was hot and I was impatient. The Python room is a mystery to me. I'm not sure how creating code language is actually permitted.
 
2:51 AM
@RyanM absolutely, it's past. Just FYI you asked me a few times to justify cv-pls posts and other stuff and honestly I thought: "just my bad luck, he could be picking on someone else but it's always the low rep..."
 
@bad_coder Ah, I see. For what it's worth, I've challenged cv-pls requests from a number of people including many with higher rep than me.
I do remember pointing out a number of yours in a row a while back. I assure you it wasn't personal.
 
@RyanM Maybe you did more homework on it. I'm not going to flag something that have no trail to it. And I can't find a pattern since it's all concealed.
 
@Scratte ok, interesting stuff. That kind of "code language" comes about as a social function, it happens in all kinds of settings. There's a general social sciences analyses to it that is never nice.
 
@Scratte For something like that, I'd make sure it was clearly bad (not just a judgement call where reasonable people could disagree) and then note that I'm unable to see if it's a pattern.
 
@bad_coder That conversation came out of the conversation of talking in other languages. Seemingly creating your own code is not permitted.. or there's just given special leeway to that room, I don't know.
 
2:56 AM
@Scratte I didn't know code languages weren't permitted (really interesting). They published a list on the python room chat site, but the underlying social function of code languages still isn't good in last analyses.
 
@RyanM Heh.. just my point. I don't know if it's bad enough or not or what someone else will think of it. So at present they can review however they like until someone with better judgement notices.. or not. I'm not really very concerned about letting bad Answers stay here.
@bad_coder I don't know anymore. I'm getting a murky impression of things at the moment.
 
@bad_coder Yes, I've seen that list before. I think there's a message in SOCVR about using code-language in chat. Using foreign language seems to be not permitted since no one know if you're insulting people. I can't see how code-speak is any different.
 
@Scratte I never said anything about that after the matter. For this reason: I thought you would know my exact opinion on all the details that were talked about.
@Scratte because, for the most part, it's really trivial and obvious what a "normal" person would think about the issue.
 
On another topic, I'm finding discord to be a confusing place.
 
3:05 AM
@Scratte lol, I tried it a couple of times and the layout is terrible.
 
I'm finding the exact same users on there though :D
Even the bots have the same names..
 
@Scratte yes, what amazes me it's the exact same small group of regular posters.
 
@bad_coder I thought I'd get a change there.. Maybe it's just a problem with the server though.
 
@Scratte I want to say this, throughout your posting on meta, the many comments under posts, your many interactions on chat, I think you are right. I mean, in every single thing. It's amazing someone consistently gets it right so many times.
 
Thank you. But today.. someone told me I'm trolling, so I'm not exactly inclined to keep it up.
 
3:09 AM
@Scratte in fact 2 persons (at least) said it. Cody and Makyen.
 
@bad_coder I only noticed the one :D
 
@Scratte Cody said it up thread figuratively, Makyen said it more seriously, but I think he didn't have enough time to revise his text.
 
I have spend some time trying to find those "2-3 meta posts a week" where users post asking for why their other meta posts were deleted, and I haven't found one :(
 
@Scratte it's extremely difficult to say in chat "what needs to be said" to analyze 1ºWhat the general state of discourse on meta and chat is. 2º What your individual contribution is to the former, why it's important, and most of all what makes your comments very special and changes the whole.
 
There's a major difference between "99% English with some jargon described in a page that can be referred to in flag text" and "a foreign language that can't be understood reliably without months to years of study"
 
3:15 AM
@bad_coder I think that maybe it change a little to a few. On the whole, I don't think anything changes and I think that most users are just annoyed with me. I mean.. look at the star-board.
 
But I'd expect that if the "salad" became a method for slipping insults past moderation, then it would get shut down
 
@RyanM That is my impression of it.
 
@Scratte well, even addressing this alone is difficult. It takes effort, some time, and an analyses.
@RyanM that is not its function. (In fact, it's the function that's not obvious.)
 
@bad_coder I agree that's not its function, which is why it's been permitted: the moderators are able to make sense of it.
It does not impede moderation
 
@RyanM I won't address this as a "fait divers". In fact, only 3 or 4 brief facts need be mentioned to address the issue completely. It is the form of addressing it that isn't adequate.
 
3:20 AM
I'm afraid I'm unable to read French
 
@RyanM a fait divers are trivialities that make the news, akin to the contents of your "silly season".
 
It's entirely possible I'm missing context here. It sounded like things like SO Python's "salad" were being compared to the "no foreign languages" rule.
If that wasn't the actual context, my apologies.
 
No, I was comparing the salad to code-speak. Which it is.
 
@RyanM :you are narrowing it down and I would proceed to give an acumen analyses. But I will defer, because my concern today is giving a brief comment to Scratte, and frankly I find that more interesting humanly. (I can always give an analyses of the system tomorrow, or some other day.)
 
@bad_coder I'm afraid I'm losing interest in this site very fast at the moment. I feel that I was directly lied to today by a prominent member. And I'm not finding it very motivating to Answer posts as the last two that I started to prepare Answers to got closed as "Lacking focus" with a bunch of comments about Stack Overflow not being a free coding service.
 
3:28 AM
@Scratte I understand, and that ís the reason I am here now. (But this isn't easy to address in a meaningful way, that does justice to you, and comprehensibly describes how and why.)
 
Perhaps it's not injustice. Perhaps I've been trolling for over a year ;)
Some of us can be very persistent ;D
 
@Scratte you know that isn't true. So here comes the hard part (that I had started to describe) how can we describe your participation? And why was it special? Why did it make a difference, and what was that difference?
 
I've just noticed we have the exact same amount on Answers.. that's a little funny :)
 
@Scratte oohh, "cosmic coincidence" :)
@Scratte there's one thing I'd like a mod to do for me, find the first 2, 3, 4 times we interacted. (I wonder how it went.)
 
@bad_coder I'm just a user. I voiced my opinions, that's all I did. No one is missing me on meta (which I apparently never follow, since if I had, I would have noticed those "My other post was deleted, why?"-posts if I had or something ;-)
@bad_coder I think anyone can find that, no? It's just a matter of going through every transcript. I only ever posted 35129 messages in chat, so how long could it take?
 
3:37 AM
@Scratte aarrgghh, I think the first few were comments on meta posts. Only latter did we speak in chat.
(the system just made 1 of my messages disappear.)
 
@bad_coder I see.. that's not possible for a non-moderator to find those interactions. I only have 1013 comments on meta.. left.
 
@Scratte and how to filter for that :| I've thought about it and don't know (some SEDE query....)
 
@bad_coder You can find them on a SEDE query, but they only find comments that still remain, which I don't expect they do. So that's not possible.
 
@Scratte well, that is relevant. Because your opinion changes an entire thread, frequently it adds lucidity at just the right time. And when everybody was ready to run other people over with a truck, there you are pointing out essential matters everyone else would overlook.
 
@bad_coder I've never noticed that. Are you sure you're not seeing ghosts? :)
 
3:42 AM
@Scratte and there's "a dose of humanism" and "principles" to how you inflect arguments and conversations. As if people were overlooking the most important things.
 
@bad_coder Sometimes I miss the important things too :)
 
@bad_coder The first meta post where the two of you both commented (where the comments are still up) was meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/394516/…
 
@Scratte well this is hard to justify, but I interact a lot with intellectuals of all fields in my real life. I know what good and valid is. (Some false narrative doesn't work on me.)
 
I just want people to be able to be helped on how to use this site and I'd like other types of posts than debug-my-tictactoe posts. But I don't think Stack is going to get there. I see a downward spiral and more of the same bad things and anyone wanting to make a change is "put down fast".. with whatever it takes. Today it was just my turn.
 
@bad_coder All 9 MSO posts where you have both commented: data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackoverflow/query/1360213/…
 
3:48 AM
@RyanM this was really interesting, our first interaction wasn't direct @Scratte we read each others comments.
 
@RyanM Well, that is a trip down old stuff :)
 
@Scratte this was the first post where we interacted
I need to get something to eat, brb
 
@bad_coder Heh.. User Interface oddities. I've spent too much time fixing those at my end already. I just noticed another one today.
Ohh.. and another one where the edit made me want to downvote my own post.
I remember thinking that since I didn't mention neither Answer nor Question, no one would come and do a useless edit on it. I think I hadn't posted anything on meta for a very long time when I posted that, and it was one big eye-opener for me.
 
@Scratte lol, well lets put it this way: If you decide to leave (or withdraw) it's probably for the best because you won't loose any time playing around with the site.
 
Yes, that's exactly my thinking too.
I find that this site is good for people that agree with how things already are.. not so good for someone like me.
 
4:03 AM
@Scratte I told you this before, I didn't withdraw from SO because every so often your comments on a given meta post made things not completely bad (there was at least 1 good thing on so many posts.)
 
@bad_coder I think I made a silly comment today somewhere :)
 
@Scratte and it probably had more quality than all the bad noise and arguments going around :)
 
Oh yes, discussing if one needs to link to the source when giving attribution. Apparently not everyone thinks that's necessary.
 
@Scratte arrghh I don't care about that stuff anymore. I did 365 days straight logging in, now it's 20 days to get a "Fanatic" gold badge. And after that I'm going on a hiatus.
 
@bad_coder How can you not have that badge if you logged in 365 days in a row?
 
4:08 AM
@Scratte I didn't care about it, then by chance when I decided to log-off only a few days were missing and I decided might as well finish the badge. (Although I was thinking of getting a script for it.)
 
I think you only need to go to your profile after you log in to get the badge. Logging in is not enough.
Opening a post will do it too. Just check your profile. It should say your last activity correctly.
 
@Scratte ahh well, what's 20 days more...
 
This new regression of the user interface is bothering me. I wonder if I should fix it.
 
@Scratte what user interface? A user script?
 
The vertical gray lines on the tabs are missing
@bad_coder I changed the round buttons back to tabs a while ago. It's not in a user script since it's just CSS changes.
 
4:13 AM
@Scratte hahaha, ok. hey if you walk out on SO the UX won't bother you anymore, look on the bright side.
 
@bad_coder Yes, I know.. that's why I'm asking myself that. And if I fix it, it'll be changed in less to something else in less than a month anyway.
 
@Scratte so you eat cabbage, what did you have with the cabbage?
 
@bad_coder It was a soup. Carrots, potatoes, onion, garlic, courgette
 
@Scratte that's a good combination.
 
It's my usual quick dinner :)
I was surprised of how much damage the burn made though. It didn't even hurt when it happened. The area just went weirdly numb.
 
4:27 AM
@Scratte I was going to ask if you were eating in front of the screen to not take care with the temperature.
 
I was hungry :) And due to that impatient. Also, it was my favorite type of cabbage :)
 
@Nick I have no idea. I'd guess somewhere less than half on main. On Meta, less than a quarter.
@RyanM I do try to do that whenever some action is warranted (thus "helpful"), but I'd rather the flagger did it differently in the future. The problem is, only certain very dedicated flaggers review their "helpful" responses, so there's a high risk that such advice will not be seen.
I am more likely to do it if I recognize the flagger as someone who I think will actually see the feedback. I've done it several times for flags raised by rene, for example.
@RyanM Literally everyone has... I can't think of a single case where I've seen such a flag declined. If someone thinks it's bad enough to go through the trouble of flagging, it's surely bad enough that a mod will act on it. I've never declined such a flag.
This implication that flaggers should go seek out patterns of bad reviews... meh. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Leave the moderating to moderators, please.
Frankly, I'm not even going to go through the trouble of seeking out patterns. If you make a blatantly incorrect review, and it's recent, then you're going to get at least a short suspension so you are aware that your action was incorrect.
 
@CodyGray So flagging one-off bad reviews is totally fine? Thanks, that's quite helpful.
 
@bad_coder Pro tip: nobody pays attention to rep.
@RyanM Yeah, I think so. If it's egregiously bad.
I don't like suspending people from review over edge cases.
 
One egregious review, or a pattern of bad-but-not-egregious?
 
4:32 AM
I don't know if I'd decline a flag bringing that to my attention or not. Depends on the circumstance. Some of my colleagues might.
@RyanM Sure, either one.
Generally...
Anyone who has a pattern of bad reviewing will have at least one egregiously bad (read: extremely obviously wrong) review.
 
(the case where I usually see patterns is LQP, which I've mostly stopped doing since the Great Post-Election Flag Queue Burndown, since mods are usually on top of it)
 
Ah, when M&M descended upon the flag queue. Yes, I remember that. :-)
It's back up to 700 at the moment, though.
 
and a newly reinspired Bhargav Rao :-)
 
They must be sleeping ;-)
 
@Scratte Fixed :)
 
4:35 AM
One thing about flagging... You need to be very clear, as clear as possible, about what you want a moderator to do. Your flag needs to be actionable. Also, and here's where the real art comes in, you want to avoid telling the moderator exactly what to do. Those sound mutually contradictory, but they aren't.
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Consider: "Please consider reaching out to and/or suspending all of the reviewers who chose 'Looks OK' on this obvious NAA."
You've simultaneously made it very clear what you want a moderator to do in response to your flag, without bossing them around or making demands that they might bristle at.
"Please consider reopening this Meta question, which I believe was wrongly closed as 'off topic', since it's about the Developer Survey."
"I believe this old bug report should have a [status-completed] tag now. It was marked as completed on the uber Meta: <link>"
"As an Android expert, I firmly believe that this question is too broad (because... <short description>), yet I cannot vote to close it because it has a bounty. Please remove the bounty and close the question as lacking focus."
"All of the comments underneath this answer are obsolete: they were suggesting and discussing an improvement, which has now been made. Please purge them all."
"This post went through SOCVR and was flagged as spam, but I think it was just a confused user trying to ask a programming question about their personal site. Please review and consider clearing the spam penalties."
"Based on <this chat message>, UserX voted to close this question because they felt it was 'low effort'. That's not a valid reason for closure. Please consider overriding that decision and reopening the question."
"This answer on Meta was deleted by community members misusing delete votes as super-downvotes. Although unpopular/wrong, it does attempt to provide an answer to the question. Please consider undeleting it."
@Scratte Yes, the annoyance is real. However, I think it is significant that users care enough about you and what you're saying to actually be annoyed by it. It's one of those times where you have to consider whether everyone else is just being jerks, or whether you might actually be making arguments that strike us as ridiculous to the point of trolling.
@Scratte You genuinely don't understand why comments like this annoy me? Come on. I agree with you about not wanting a debug-my-code site. I almost always agree with you about questions that were wrongly closed and/or need to be reopened. Even if I disagree, I always appreciate them being brought to my attention so at least a fair decision (in my perhaps not so unbiased opinion) can be rendered.
Yet, you are stubbornly refusing to bring them to my/our attention, since you won't raise flags or use any of the other legitimate tools provided to you by the system for correcting these problems.
Me, Makyen, Machavity, and others are pretty much "on your side", for whatever that means, and we're trying our hardest to make the site into the best place that it can be, yet you seem to be actively working against us, for reasons that seem to be nothing but stubbornness and childishness. You're letting silly, irrelevant metrics matter more than your own convictions about what's right.
I'm sorry, but I can't behave that way, and I have a very hard time abiding others who behave that way, especially when I thought that they were motivated by the same convictions and principles that I am.
In the past, we've been able to have a reasonable discussion, to find common ground even when we disagree. I've been able to chalk up some of your quirks to just that: quirks. We've all got 'em. Some of them, I find endearing. Some of them, perhaps, annoying. But that's life. I've got tons of friends and dated plenty of people who have had certain aspects that I found annoying.
Yet, over the last couple of days, I've felt like things have changed dramatically. I no longer felt like you were interesting in learning of the best way to do things, the most effective way to enact change, the most effective way to solve the problems that we both feel are problems. Every time I tried to present a solution, it got shut down for reasons that I felt were counterproductive, if not outright nonsense.
"My car is dirty, and it is upsetting me to see all this grossness on my car." "Oh, you should wash it." "No, I don't believe in water." WTF?
So we try again: "OK, maybe you can just get a damp cloth and wipe it..." "No, that would still involve water."
Throwing all caution to the wind, since, based on our previous interactions, we've amassed a relatively high level of respect for you: "Well, uh... how about if you used some other kind of solvent, other than water, like alcohol?" "No, that's still diluted with water. I refuse to use water."
And at that point, I'm sitting there going, you are made up of 70% water, so you must just be trolling.
Or I'm thinking, obviously you care less about getting the car clean and getting the problem solved than you do about your silly "I hate water" quirk, and I find that foolishly counterproductive and very annoying.
And, over the last couple of days, it got even worse than that: it felt like you were blaming me and/or other moderators, casting us as part of the problem, painting with a broad brush, despite all the effort and time I've put into trying to do the best that I can. Is it perfect? No. Can I solve all the problems? No. I've never claimed to. But like Jeanne Dark said in a message that I saw fit to star earlier today when reading the transcript:
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, yesterday, by Jeanne Dark
@Dharman I hope I help a little bit :)
 
5:02 AM
Now.. I hate water? What is this?
 
Context: Dharman half-complaining about how hopeless it is.
I am going to keep trying to do the little bit that I can. I feel like it's more than a little bit. That's the reason I decided to be a moderator here, and it's the reason I stay. But it maybe is only a thimble-full of water in the ocean. I don't know.
But I'm not going to let you demotivate me or discourage me from doing it. I'd prefer if you'd help me to do it, by bringing actionable concerns to my attention. I find it frustrating if you don't/won't. But I'm really annoyed when you refuse to bring those concerns to my/our attention and make it sound like it's my/our fault for not fixing the problems.
@Scratte An analogy, is what this is.
To explain why it's frustrating to be told, "I don't raise flags". To me, it makes about as much sense as saying, "I don't like/use water."
 
I heard you have 700 buckets of water already.
 
Yes.
So what?
If I have 700 bottles of wine, and you give me a gift of one more, I'm still going to appreciate it.
(I realize that's a stupid analogy. I'm picking my own holes in it. But meh.)
 
It is.. somehow you turned flags into water and those into bottles of wine.
 
Haha.
The point was just, when you're parched, you solve the problem by drinking water.
Having a person nearly dying of thirst tell you, "Oh, I dislike the taste of water." (What taste?!) is irritating.
 
5:10 AM
Funny you mention that. A person dying of thirst may die if drinking too much in one go.
Anyway, if you think that me not flagging is trolling, then I'm sorry you feel that way.
 
So far, no one has died from raising flags.
@Scratte I think that you continually bringing up what appear to be arbitrarily imposed limitations whenever someone tries to work with you to solve a problem to be trolling.
 
You made an analogy to dying of thirst and not liking the taste of water..
 
There's a pretty good explanation above. I don't think I can do any better.
 
I don't understand how that even came about. I mentioned that I liked to post reviews in a chat room. Then you told me to raise a flag instead. I didn't ask for a problem to be solved. How does that turn into me refusing to solve a problem?
 
The problem you and I are both seeking to solve is incorrect reviews.
You didn't mention that you "liked to post reviews in a chat room". You specifically mentioned that you wanted to post reviews you thought were incorrect in a chat room for the express purposes of bringing them to moderator attention. Those details matter.
 
5:17 AM
I guess, I didn't phrase it perfectly. And meaning was put into it that I didn't intend. Which has led to me "trolling". That's not really a very good place for me to be.
 
No, it's not. But that's how I interpreted it, and I prefer honesty over mincing words.
 
 
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9:59 AM
@CodyGray Huh, honestly not sure if that's more or less than I expected
 
 
3 hours later…
12:31 PM
@CodyGray lol bounty.
 
 
3 hours later…
3:14 PM
@Scratte lol you burnt yourself with the cabbage soup :) I'm sorry but I have to laugh because it happened to me. I suppose you micro-waved the soup, since the cabbage is denser it will be burning hot wheres the soup is just tepid. (It happened to me at least twice, I certainly don't forget as it's the first thing on my mind whenever I heat a soup. Live and learn they say.)
 
@bad_coder No. It was freshly made soup :)
 
@Scratte ahh, that's strange the difference in temperature isn't that much when it's off the stove. (I plant my own cabbages btw.)
 
I think the issue was that the cabbage leaf just kind of went to the roof of my mouth and sat there for a full second or two. Like it was glued, so it took a little while to get it off.
 
@Scratte excruciating, yet even in utter disaster you put a well humored spin on events :)
 
@bad_coder But that's what was so strange. It didn't even hurt at the time.. That all came the day after.
 
3:19 PM
@Scratte arrghhh, at least the palate is less painful to burn than other parts of the mouth. Yes the palate takes a bit longer to peel the outer layer of the skin after a burn and pain takes longer to fully set in.
 
Really? I kind of always figured that getting a hook in my cheek would be less painful than one in my palate. I'm happy to not be a fish.
 
@Scratte folks with piercings might take offense at being compared to fishes :)
 
@bad_coder They usually don't use hooks, but something that goes in as smoothly as it comes back out. Do they even put those things in their palate?
 
@Scratte not that I'm aware off, pretty much everywhere but not the palate (they say piercing the tongue is really painful.)
@Scratte look on the bright side, a gourmet is said to have a good palate.
@Scratte I see you're somewhat of a gastronomical connoisseur.
 
@bad_coder Heh.. mine still looks somewhat infected though :D
 
3:32 PM
@Scratte you should tend to it, Baltic honey meed might not be the best choice in this instance. We should consult with an expert on spirits, a man never shy to share his expertise on such matters, @AdrianMole.
@AndrasDeak ^^ we need a second opinion on a serious medical emergency.
 
Fish don't eat cabbages. Unless they're sea cabbages, and chopped up into small pieces.
 
@AdrianMole Fish?! Well, salt water is said to cauterize wounds and disinfect on the side.
 
@bad_coder I think I'm fine :) Somewhat infected is way less than two days ago and the pain is such now that I can drink coffee without squinting :)
 
Things to avoid: Very hot curries, pickled onions and psychopaths.
 
@Scratte Better be careful with the coffee, it's a good fertilizer. Next you know there'll be a cabbage plantation growing from your palate.
@AdrianMole you forgot sociopaths, hypocrites, and liars.
 
3:38 PM
@bad_coder Then I wouldn't even need to prepare my dinner :D
 
But I lied about the pickled onions.
 
@AdrianMole I knew you were not be trusted on your first reaction.
 
@AdrianMole So, no folder called "psycho"?
 
@Scratte I would still go with my garden.
@Scratte I don't think he collects Hitchcock movies.
 
@bad_coder I wish I had one, but my current living area isn't a good place for that.
 
3:40 PM
@bad_coder I wouldn't hurt a fly.
 
@Scratte I hear cabbages grow well in that climate.
@AdrianMole but you'd give me a hard time every once in a while. You'd also throw the odd curve ball and I'll better duck.
 
Just don't downvote any posts by this user.
 
@bad_coder It does. I know people that have kale in puts as decoration until December.. then the decorations start to lose their leafs :D
@AdrianMole Why? Is that you?
 
@Scratte "kale" the amazing things I learn...This is my idea of a "cabbage"
 
norman bates is the psycho in psycho
 
3:45 PM
I thought it was his mum.
 
@Nick Thanks. It took me a while to figure out that I should probably go search the name.
 
The only reason i remember is because it takes place at the bates motel :p
 
@bad_coder I thought cabbage was a name that covered a lot of vegetables.
 
@Scratte it is, but what you commonly mean by saying "cabbage" depends on the garden.
 
The particular one from the events of some days ago was a variety that is pale like white cabbage, but pointy. We call it "spidskål"
 
3:52 PM
@Scratte this is really amazing, when you have some time pinpoint a picture of a "Kale" for me and I'll be amazed people have "kales" in puts until December in cold climates.
 
@bad_coder pots.. :) I misspelled it, sorry :)
@Scratte It looks like this
 
@Scratte I knew something wasn't right, but I followed your lead (changing the noun "pot" to the verb "put"). That pointy cabbage is really neat.
 
@bad_coder Here's just some image off the internet of a small one and this one seems to have used for some dinners already
@bad_coder Some people here boil it in cream :) That's considered traditional winterfood.
 
@Scratte I sometimes have something similar, white cabbage with cream - but I'm not the one preparing it. (Those two pot pictures were really neat, it's a bonsai version of a cabbage - it's resemblance to a broccoli and the curving of the leaf tips is curious.)
 
We always have rødkål for Christmas :)
 
4:02 PM
@Scratte rot-kal (similarity with German for red.) We have to get off chat, I need to focus so I can have time at the end of the day to read 1 sentence in Danish from the grammar.
 
@bad_coder I think it's just "Curly-leaf kale", reference, which is the default at any grocery store here.
 
I'm off, since Adrian decided to change subjects instead of recommending a double-shot of scotch whisky...@Scratte have a shot before bedtime (or just gurgle some water with a bit of slat in it.)
 
Have fun :)
 
@Scratte the "Kale" was completely amazing, imagine that: People go to the supermarket, ask for a cabbage and get a Kale...Something like that is unheard off (folks will have a good time when I tell that story.)
@Scratte I will :) o/
 
Kale is called "grønkål" here. The "normal" cabbage is called "hvidkål". There's also "blomkål", which is cauliflower. "Rødkål" which is just the red variety of "hvidkål". It's all "kål" :)
Brussels sprouts are called "rosenkål". For us "kål" is the family of all these vegetables. Not sure if it's a mistake that it translates to "cabbage".
 
4:16 PM
@AdrianMole Why would one avoid very hot curries? Or pickled onions? All of these things are delicious. I've never eaten psychopaths, though.
@Scratte Love that dish, although I don't think of it as being a traditional Christmas food. I didn't realize that was the cultural tradition.
 
I personally like hot curries, but not very hot curries. I'd have a vindaloo, but not a phall
 
I've never had phall.
 
Is this a phallic discussion?
 
Apparently. Blame Nick.
 
@CodyGray Phall is a British curry, made with chillies like habanero and scotch bonnet
 
5:00 PM
@Nick Surprisingly, I've never heard of it. I guess it isn't particularly popular outside of Britain? If it had been available anywhere I'd seen in the US, I would have tried it.
 
Potentially, I personally wouldn't touch it with a 10ft barge pole
 
Got any tips on how to improve my document? github.com/Ann-Zen/rvrso/blob/patch-1/README.md
 
"Do not make any personal attacks" - this is a very broad statement, what is or isn't a personal attack will vary from one person to another, potentially could do with a few examples.
"Avoid sensitive topics" - Same case here, perhaps a few examples would be helpful, like "avoid discussions on topics such as religion, politics, ethnicity, etc."
 
@Nick At Code of Conduct: No name-calling or personal attacks.
 
Yep, the CoC is equally broad and poorly defined
 
5:09 PM
@Nick thx for your advice!
 
"if such suspicious patterns continue, you will eventually be banned from the room" - correct me if I'm wrong (@CodyGray), but AFAIA, there is no way for you to actually ban users from a room without making it a gallery room and giving explicit write access to users, which kind of defeats the purpose of the room
 
@Nick I had the idea that continuous kicks result in a ban.
 
kick mutes only last for a max of 30 minutes after they've been kicked 3 times within a 24hr period IIRC
They'll also generate automatic mod flags which could cause problems for the room as a whole if it cannot be moderated by ROs effectively
 
@Nick I thought the mod flag was the cue for mods to handle the offending user.
 
Not necessarily, it's the cue for mods to look into it in one form or another, it could be the mod determines the offending user has done nothing wrong and that the ROs are at fault for example. Or it could result in the offending user getting a telling off or a full chat ban
 
5:19 PM
@Nick do you think that the rule is too strict?
 
My point is that there is no way for you to ban a user from the room, only to kick users (for a short period) when they've spoken
It's not that I think the rule is too strict, just that there is no way for you to actually meaningfully enforce it
 
Okay, point taken, thanks
@CodyGray Can I get some additional pointers from a moderator? Thanks!
 
5:48 PM
I need to go now, I await for pointers!
 
6:14 PM
@Nick No? Not even game to try it? Why not?
@AnnZen I don't really have time to read your document or provide specific feedback. However, I will recommend that if you haven't already, you should read the MSE FAQs on chat: meta.stackexchange.com/q/270587 and meta.stackexchange.com/q/271267. If you're gonna talk Politics, you must respect those who disagree was written specifically with "politics" in mind, but it is more generally applicable than that.
 
@CodyGray mods can, but ROs can't just outright perma ban a user from a specific room i thought
oh
 
@Nick Err... I was still talking about curries.
 
you were replying to a different message
yeah saw that now ^^""
 
Currently suffering through a conference call that has passed the 2 hour mark...
Don't ask me how to moderate chat. I know what tools mods have, but I have no clue about ROs or what the difference is. I only started using chat after having a diamond. It has colored my perception.
 
ouch, i'm just getting ready to make dinner
 
6:18 PM
Suddenly hungry for curries? :-)
 
I am, but I have some beef mince i need to use which... isn't perfect in curries :p
 
Right.
 
meat sauce -> noodles?
 
plan is currently shepherd's pie
 
There is Khua Kling (Thai Dry Meat Curry)
But shepherd's pie sounds magnificent, too.
(I think I'm just getting hungry...)
 
7:16 PM
Well... I say shepherd's pie, I mean cottage pie xd
Had lamb on the mind cause I was thinking about curry meats
 
 
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