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9:18 AM
But it is not exactly a sine curve right? The outer circle would have to be infinitely large:)
 
 
10 hours later…
7:28 PM
@flawr I was going to point that out too, but I think for a different reason: the curve reflects the distance between (1) the circle defined by the lever and (2) the fixed point in the bar to its left (where all the threads coincide). The sine would be the vertical (or horizontal) distance to the horizontal (vertical) axis
...assuming I correctly understood what the device is doing :-)
 
 
3 hours later…
10:02 PM
@LuisMendo I think we are talking about the same thing: It doesn't matter if we're talking about the distance from the lever to the big circle or from the lever to the horizontal bar. With an "infinitely big circle" the threads attached to the lever would ways have the exact same direction (no side-to-side offset), so the displacement of the string would really just measure the "amplitude" of the lever in exactly one direction
 
10:13 PM
let's assume the lever moves in an unit circle, and the big circle has radius r. then the length of the string from the lever to the circle (lets pick (x,y)=(1,0) as the position on the circle) is sqrt(r^2 - 2*r*cos(phi)+1) -r, and this converges to cos(phi) for r to infinity
 
You probably mean r cos phi. That thing has length dimensions.
 
@flawr Ah, I see. You suggested a solution, I only pointed out the problem :-D
@AndrasDeak said the physicist
 
To be fair that's a very physicist thing to say :D
(unless that's your exact point)
 
(Also, flawr's solution was unmistakably mathematical: just make the radius infinite)
 
Yeah, who's going to pay for all that string?
 
10:18 PM
@AndrasDeak Yes, that was it :-) Very physicist-like comment
 
Ah, OK, sorry :)
Dimensional analysis is highly underappreciated
Actually, the dimensions under the sqrt are nonsense. *slaps @flawr with a fish*
 
@AndrasDeak not sure what you mean?
 
Actually the comment could be interpreted both ways. We need a "no-irony" emoticon :-)
 
@AndrasDeak cos(phi) should be considered a distance too!
 
And 1 too?
 
10:20 PM
that is one square meter
 
GTG. See you!
 
take care, Luis :)
 
^ a toy before you go:)
(sorry it converges to -cos(phi), not cos(phi))
 
not sure what's going on there
 
this is the distance betweent h two points P =(r,0) and L = (cos(phi), sin(phi))
@AndrasDeak you wanted to say it converges to r*cos(phi)??
 
10:22 PM
OK, so you have a unit circle, i.e. you omitted an R from the L. Are you sure "r" is a radius of a circle after all?
 
@AndrasDeak maybe it's off limits
 
@flawr purely based on dimensional analysis
 
@AndrasDeak the unit circle is the the circle the lever amkes
the big circle is where the string hinges (the yellow circle in the video)
 
it's too late for me to pull out r in front of the sqrt and take the first-order taylor approx in my head
 
and the big circle has radius r
@AndrasDeak careful, limits involved:)
^ is that good enough?
 
10:24 PM
@flawr which lever?
@flawr *sigh*. Let me show you how we do this. So you have r * sqrt(1 - cos(phi)/r + 1/r^2) -r \approx r * [1 - cos(phi)/2r + 1/2r^2] - r \approx r - cos(phi)/2 -r = -cos(phi)/2
oh, you had a 2 in there
so we come back to my point that you omitted the unit length of the circle which screws up the dimensions
sqrt(r^2 - 2 r R cos(phi) + R^2) - r, doesn't that look much better? And that converges to -R cos(phi) as it should.
@flawr no derivation gets no credit :P
 
 
hmm
I still don't see the significance of the lever. Should I watch the original video?
I'd expect that the two things you need are the yellow circle and the point to the left through which the wires go
 
the point on the left doesn't move with respect tot he circle
@AndrasDeak that'd would make things easier:)
 
@flawr that makes sense to me
 
@AndrasDeak ok with that I can live, I've seen worse by physicists:)
 
10:31 PM
@flawr oooooh I get it
it wasn't doing what I thought it was doing
 
11 mins ago, by flawr
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/77audpelkk
 
I opened it but it has the same content :(
 
here you can see how it behaves for varous "r"s
Observe how infinity is attained at about r=42
 
So what you mean to say that it's a cycloid :P
Is it not?
hmm, no
 
for r=1 it is
 
10:34 PM
the one with r=1 seemed suspicious
but cycloids when the reference point is on the circle should have a cusp
 
^ it does have a cusp for r=1
 
cusp with diverging derivative I mean
 
Dudes, it's just a fun lego construct.

Also, how come you don't have a MATLAB simulation? Heretic!
 
oh you're right, this is not a cycloid
 
@CrisLuengo what better subject for overengineered discussions than a lego construct? :P
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10:39 PM
sqrt(r^2 - 2*r*cos(phi) +1)-r = sqrt(1-2cos(phi)+1)-1 = 1 + 2 abs(sin(phi/2))
 
I'm sure flawr is already contemplating a codegolf challenge with this
@flawr you fixed the dimension issue... in a unique way ;)
 
@AndrasDeak great, I never liked them anyway:P
 

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