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12:00 AM
Why’s everybody speaking Icelandic but that little kid? That’s highly inconsistent.
Though Pierce Brosnan’s Icelandic didn’t sound authentic. So here we go, watching garbage like everybody else. :D
 
12:25 AM
@Andreas Pierce Brosnan's accent in this movie is on par with his singing in Mamma Mia 2.
 
12:35 AM
@DanielWiddis Which wasn’t great, yes.
I hear there’s too much English in this movie. I would’ve preferred if they could’ve kept it to Icelandic for scenes with Icelandic actors only. Mikael Persbrandt could’ve spoken Icelandic, as he’s Swedish.
 
 
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3:20 AM
So, do you have Jaja Ding Dong stuck in your head now?
 
 
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5:22 AM
I don't watch the song contest either.. but.. through the years a lot of good song have come from it.
 
 
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8:07 AM
@AdrianMole So.. the trick is not to just post in there, but to make Samuel aware of your message :)
 
 
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9:44 AM
@Andreas I have a simple java question. Not sure if it can be made into a Question.
 
 
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11:01 AM
@Scratte What’s the question?
@DanielWiddis No... but... it really bothers me they used autotune on the singalong.
Ja, ja, Ding Dong is just the normal old-fashioned music over here.
 
@Andreas Ok.. flaunting my ignorance here.. :)
It started with a review, and it brought me to this Answer
I asked another question in the comments, but it didn't lead to where I wanted it to go, so I removed it.
I set up a small test:
Object obj2 = new Object[10];
obj2[0] = Integer.valueOf(1);
This is what doesn't work from the answer.
This obviously also will not work: obj2[0] = (Object) Integer.valueOf(1);
 
Arrays aren't objects in Java, I don't think.
 
It's not the right cast at all and will give error: array required, but Object found
@VLAZ They are actually :) Else the very first line would give an error, but it doesn't. It's the assignment that's the problem
Then I try this (Object[] obj2).[0] = Integer.valueOf(1); since obviously ob2 is just an Object. I need to somehow cast that to an array, but this just gives me 3 errors: error: -> expected .. error: <identifier> expected .. error: ';' expected
 
Because the array class subclasses Object.
 
Ok then.. but how do I assign a value to the first element of the array in obj2?
 
11:12 AM
Remove the dot before «[0]».
 
Ohh.. I was just being dot-blind?!?
 
If it works, yes. ;)
 
(Object[] obj2)[0] = Integer.valueOf(1); causes error: -> expected
 
mhm
I’m gonna have to find my computer.
 
I also tried another variety like this:
obj2 = new Object[]{Integer.valueOf(1)};
System.out.println( ((Object[]) obj2)[0] );
and that works.
but.. I want to assign values, not access them
 
11:17 AM
((Object[]) obj2)[0] = Integer.valueOf(1); works.
You forgot the parentheses.
 
Ok.. I'm just going back into my corner of shame now :D
 
:P
 
Funny, since I did remember them in accessing the item :D
 
But... This wasn't the question you were talking about yesterday.
 
The one with 7 answers?
 
11:21 AM
The one you deleted.
 
No.. I put an image of that one here earlier.
 
Oh. I didn't think that was yours. Low quality.
 
Sorry.. that was mine. I thought it was well rehearsed though. Too well, which made it boring.
 
Low quality of the image.
- is what I meant.
It's hard to read the question.
 
Ahh.. I thought you meant the Question. I made it absolutely MCVE. Anyone could copy'n'paste the code and just run it.
 
11:27 AM
Since you suddenly started to get strange downvotes...
 
I'm not sure the image is that low quality. I can zoom in quite a lot without it being pixelated.
 
Did you consider targeted downvoting? Revenge?
Oh... I should've clicked on the image... I just zoomed the whole Imgur page.
 
@Andreas I did, so I deleted the Question.
 
You should've made a custom moderator flag on it, explaining you were probably a target of revenge downvoting, giving a link to what you thought was the reason.
 
@Andreas Without clear evidence of more than a downvote or two, that's almost certainly a declined flag
 
11:30 AM
I don't know what the reason was. And it was pretty spurious, so I don't think there'd be anything to investigate. The first downvote came within the same minute as one on one of my answers.
The second came, if I remember correctly, after a comment trail on meta, where my view wasn't entirely popular.
 
@RyanM How do you expect a normal user to prove this? We don't have any way of proving that. We can't see who votes on posts.
@Scratte Then that is targeted downvoting by a Meta user, and strictly forbidden.
 
But I do not feel a loss for the Question, so I'm not going to actually do anything. I know how to get the full list of classes in a patched module, if I ever need to.. which is very unlikely :D
@Andreas Yes, but it's just one vote. There are no rules saying one can't be upset by meta and then find a post that one doesn't like and downvote it :D
 
@Andreas Basically, you need to show a pattern. If there's not a pattern (example: they only downvoted one or two posts and never touched your account again) then there's no way to prove serial voting even if you can see votes.
 
^ that :)
 
For instance, this would be a pattern.
You can find patterns more easily than you might expect...I've found plenty of voting fraud that way :-)
 
11:37 AM
The flag would basically contain "I've had a total of two downvotes on my Question, which isn't fair because it's a good Question" :D That will not result in a helpful flag :)
 
@RyanM That's caught by the system, unless there are multiple users. At that point, you probably found a voting ring too, or forbidden use of secondary accounts.
 
Of course if that same user went and downvoted everyone else once each in the same comment trail, then there may be grounds to revert those. But even then, I do not think it would be done.
 
A user responding to views on Meta with downvotes is damaging to the discussions we need to have. If such users aren't caught, that's a big problem to the site.
 
But I cannot know which user it was, or even if there were ever such a user. The one last vote could also have been someone else that just didn't like my post, no?
 
@Andreas that example was reversed, yes. I've certainly seen cases where it wasn't, though, that looked pretty obvious.
 
11:41 AM
@Scratte This is what only a moderator can find out. You can't... unless all of the people receiving downvotes is writing that in the comment section.
 
@Andreas I could have opened up all the users of the trail and looked at their reputation, if I had thought of that at the time.
 
@Scratte Oh, yeah, of course. Not if you're the only one that disagrees with the downvoter.
 
that would be a great example of a pattern of evidence worth flagging
"All 6 people in this thread who disagreed with X received a single downvote between 9:45 and 9:46"
 
Yes, but I didn't think of it. And I also cannot access the information of when the downvote even happened anymore.
Chances are also that the meta post was deleted and then I can't go and find it either.
And if I even could do that, there's noway I'm going to un-delete the Question :D
 
I can see your reputation change all the way to your first answer, so you could find the day it happened, for all the users in the comment section.
 
11:46 AM
Hmm.. I'll try to find it then.
 
@Scratte If it's good, I don't understand why you want to keep it deleted.
I don't think I've ever been the victim of targeted downvoting, but I have received downvotes on questions years after they were posted, though those questions were/are bad. Last time, it resulted in me close voting on 3 of my questions, asking two others to help me close two of them.
 
I don't need a honeypot as a Question. If users want to downvote me, they're going to do have to do it to my Answers.
 
I don't really see the issue.
 
Found it.. March 26th: -2 13:55 downvote --patch-module and “disappearing” source directories
 
I got a downvote on one of my questions after I edited it (new activity => homepage) to make it less worse.
 
11:52 AM
lol! That's a bummer. I got an unupvote after the "to CommonMark" migrations ran.
@Scratte That's March 30th, not 26th.
 
The only thing I can see that may have annoyed somebody on 26.03.2020 is you marking a question as a duplicate on Meta the day before.
 
Sorry.. the date was wrong.. and I remember now :)
 
– and the post author didn't downvote anything during those days.
Oh...
 
This Answer of mine wasn't very popular at first.
I'm pretty sure I have comments on other users posts on that Question too.
..I'm not going to even try to investigate this. There are too many users and there's a lot of other users that never posted nor commented as well. There's just noway to know.
So.. now I've checked 3 users on a different comment-trail than on my post, and there's no downvotes on that date.
 
12:09 PM
I'd already given that Meta answer an upvote. While I don't agree with everything you mention, many of the idea you put forth are important and good, and the answer itself captures a big issue.
Also, yes: hiding closed questions is a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible idea.
@Scratte If somebody downvoted based on that comment section, it was likely somebody else reading it, not others you interacted with.
 
I wasn't going to post an Answer there. Then two regulars poked me into doing it. I spent way to long on writing it too.. then it kind of got a life of it's own.
@Andreas Yes, that's very likely. Or.. it was someone that was looking for -patch-module and found my post irrelevant and confusing :)
 
Might be.
I generally only downvote closed questions that happen to be outright terrible, or if made by a high reputation user. If they're of standard, bad/low quality, and by a newer user, then no.
 
I tend to downvote Questions when there's no improvement on it.
Meaning.. I ask them to make one, and.. nothing.
 
How long do you wait?
 
I wait 2-3 days
 
12:17 PM
Depends.. If they are active, not very long :)
But I also tend to not do it if it's already downvoted and Roomba enabled.
and I'm sure that sometimes I just never come back to it.. :(
 
Could be actively searching for advice on how to improve their questions, from other posts, or on Meta.
 
Heh :) It's usually something like putting an image of a table into text in ascii. To which I give a link to a tool for them to use.
 
I get them when I'm checking to see which posts from my history need more close votes
I give the queue a couple days to close them, and then cv-pls anything that's still bad and won't roomba.
 
I've noticed that if a Question doesn't get any votes the first 24 hours in the queue, it's unlikely to get any
 
I just send them off to SOCVR.
 
12:24 PM
I close-vote far too many to send them all to SOCVR. I use up all 50 close votes almost every day.
 
I wait for a while. I don't want to push all my pending flagged posts into SOCVR
 
I sometimes spend all my votes and flags per day.
 
@Andreas You have votes? :)
I have 100 flags per day. I've never spent them all.
I did when I only had 10 though :) Which I still only have on meta. But I also have an accuracy of 100% there, so I'm not going to mess that up :D
 
@Scratte Normal up- and downvotes.
 
Oh. I've never used all of those either.
 
12:28 PM
I have spent all 100 comment flags in a day. Never 100 post flags.
 
I’ve spent all my post votes and flags on main, and all my post and comment votes on Meta, several times.
@RyanM That’s a lot...
 
@Andreas There were a lot of useless comments.
 
Hmm.. I've only ever raised 4 comment flags.
 
Pretty much every comment flag I raise is "No Longer Needed"
 
I raised an R/A once... and it was declined.
 
12:30 PM
I've raised 948 comment flags. 939 helpful, 3 declined, 6 retracted.
 
I don't have this comment-aversion thing. I just want bad Questions gone :)
 
Not really fun having jumping through a bunch of useless comments when you want a solution.
 
It's a shame the flagger statistics script doesn't care for comment flags, huh? :)
 
«Thanks a lot!» «No problem :)» «Thanks, this helped me as well!», «I’m happy it worked for you» ...
Flagger statistics script?
 
I already read an entire post if I'm looking for a solution. The irrelevant comments are easily read for me. They don't bother me one bit.
 
12:34 PM
Noise doesn’t bother you? Lucky person.
 
@Andreas Yes. Samuel made a script that tells if a user is a good or a bad flagger.
 
Oh
 
@Scratte they're three clicks away from being removed for everyone else once you read them :-)
 
@Andreas I don't see it as noise at all. "Thanks a lot. You saved my live!" is easy to read. Sometimes they make me go back and read the Answer again.
 
Strange.
 
12:37 PM
@Scratte Would you flag more comments if it did? :-)
 
I'm reading it because there's something that I do not understand. Something that I tried to understand from the specification or documentation and I don't get it. My brain is in information chaos and I struggle to make head and tails of what I'm reading in the Question and on the Answers, so that I can apply it to make some sort of structure in my own head. A comment saying "Thanks! You're SO awesome!" doesn't change anything for me. I do not struggle to read or understand that.
@RyanM Probably.. :)
When I'm in this sort of struggle I also tend to downvote the highly upvoted "fancy" quotes from the specifications, where the reader is left to apply it. It's useless when the struggle is in fact to apply it.
 
12:56 PM
@Scratte by the way, the question didn't stay at 2 close votes...but it didn't stay closed, either: stackoverflow.com/posts/63223384/timeline
 
Awesome :) hmm.. was it reopened twice?!?
 
That looks like a duplicate of one of my old, terrible questions.
 
Lets see if it stays reopened now.
 
@Scratte Yep :-)
 
Did I understand it correctly, that you only just recently decided to pick up Python?
 
1:02 PM
@Scratte well clearly I had picked it up at least a bit 10 years ago :-)
 
lol!.. That's a no, I didn't not understand that correctly :)
but you seems to be very determined to get that reputation up now :)
Are you going for the max 40/40 for the next election?
 
I've never used Python much. I did a bit of work with it for an internship long ago, and I use it every now and then, in no small part because Jupyter is amazing.
It's also great for Advent of Code-type problems.
 
Jupyter is terrible...
 
What's wrong with Jupyter?
 
Everything.
 
1:06 PM
lol!.. that's not really an argument.
 
Wel; maybe it's just that I had so many issues with it when it was used in a course at the university.
I just went straight to an IDE instead.
I didn't have a proper overview of my code in Jupyter.
It was a mess to navigate through.
It was a mess to write in.
It required an internet connection.
 
My avatar is generated by a Jupyter notebook :-p
@Andreas wut. It definitely doesn't.
 
@RyanM We needed it...
 
Most issues with Jupyter are around it letting you create non-reproducible notebooks because people didn't check if the code actually works if you run it start to end.
And/or with notebooks growing beyond what they should have
(as I understand it. I'm mostly a hobbyist python user myself.)
 
The course used them for all the assignments. I just wrote my answers in PyCharm, commented with task numbers, and then delivered those files instead.
Though; the assignments were terrible.
I never understood why so many new programmers (students?) hate recursive functions. I now do.
Jupyter was so lacking compared to what PyCharm could do.
 
1:13 PM
I (we) programmed a recursive fibonacci for an old computer in assembler once.
then we (I) decided to test it on the value of 42. Which took 28 hours to execute.
 
Efficient algorithm.
 
but since there weren't a lot of those old computers and the assignment was for the entire class, we couldn't just leave it there on it's own, since someone else would just stop it and take over the computer. So we took turns guarding it :D
Well. I'm not sure if any recursive algorithm for fibonacci is a good idea.
 
@Scratte ehhhhh, probably not...20k is a lot, right now I'd like 10k :-)
wouldn't say no to a gold hammer either, but that's much further away...
 
@RyanM But.. yesterday you were at 5K (that's how I remember it anyway ;). And you're seem to going quite fast.
 
@Scratte I crossed 5k four months ago :-p
 
1:26 PM
Ahh.. I finally took a look at the Answers to the "simple" Java Question from yesterday. I like how they're looking at different angles.
@RyanM I see my sensation of time is a bit off :)
 
1:42 PM
Btw.. I found another user with a transparent avatar, but I suspect you only need one example. It seems they're also using gravatar.com/avatar/hash...
 
 
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5:49 PM
@rene I stop and respect you.
 
@Shree I respect you and consider you a friend.
 
get a room, the two of you ...
 
@bad_coder You are my friend
 
4 messages moved from SO Close Vote Reviewers
 
Oh.. I need to make come changes to the script, I see
 
5:56 PM
@Shree I think you should ignore the people who don't understand you. It is their problem not yours. I think the ones you were having an argument with do not write well.
 
@bad_coder Watch out, talk like that can get you flagged :)
 
What the heck’s being going on in here?
 
@Andreas Yes.. if you really must know.. here's the hint
 
@Andreas There's been an outbreak of John Dryden Syndrome.
 
The thing that bothers me when conversations are moved out is those few messages left behind like little breakcrumbs. (I'm not referring to the move message itself.)
 
6:08 PM
@bad_coder Namaste. We care site , that's why I am here. I don't know about this room and reply 1st time. I don't care about kick. They have so many contributors and don't feel that they miss me but it's ethic if I don't like I don't support.
 
No, it’s not helpful. Just a big pile of mess.
 
Then ignore it :)
 
user12867493
@bad_coder Who’s that?
 
@bad_coder you flagged. I don't ignore friends. Lets clap hand and move . You ping me in this room and still try to undersand what is this room.
 
@Shree Namaste, my Favourite Flagger. Sometimes chat gets a bit weird in SOCVR! There is really no harm intended, and it's best just to "move on" when things start getting awkward. Many of us know your contributions to the site and respect you immensely. Sometimes he who says nothing says most!
 
6:17 PM
@AdrianMole thanks
 
@Shree I didn't ping you here, the message was moved to this room after I wrote. I don't like this room, so this is not a place where I like to chat.
 
This room is where we take our chat when it gets "off topic" for SOCVR. All sorts of crazy stuff ... but still stay within the rules of the Site and keep things decent.
 
@bad_coder You don't like the room? :) Why, if I may ask?
 
@AdrianMole Why isn't the conversation that happened yesterday here?
 
@10Rep I don't know. I was down the Pub yesterday, intimidating small old men.
 
6:19 PM
@bad_coder If no one ping me why i got notification from this room :D
 
@Shree I think that happens when a "ping" message is moved between rooms. Not sure, though.
 
@AdrianMole It got moved to dev null.
 
@10Rep If the RO who moved it felt it was best 'deleted', then they would move to /dev/null. Actually moving messages here is rare. Normally, somebody just suggests we "continue in here..."
 
@Shree moved messages often give you an automatic invite into the target chatroom
 
@AdrianMole Oh ok. I guess that conversation was kinda... hard to describe.
 
6:22 PM
@10Rep You should've heard the conversations in the Pub. xD
 
@AdrianMole who ping message?
 
I love all these flags on non-offensive messages, keep 'em coming
 
@Shree If someone has a message in a room, they can be pinged in that room forever by replying to that message.
 
ohhh. Thanks.
 
Somebody flagged my post about my friends in the Pub! (Some of whom are old, male and rather short.)
 
6:25 PM
Now time to give star this room. Hummmmmmmmmmmm
 
@AdrianMole in some cultures consuming alcohol is an offense
 
I like this room. It's my favorite room. I talk about all kinds of things in here. Some even about code..
 
@AdrianMole Perhaps the flagger works with the grammar police and found your capitalization of "Pub" offensive :)
 
@AndrasDeak That's just not a very good excuse to flag a message though. In other places seeing a woman's face is offensive. Or talking about sausages.
 
@Scratte if I made judgement of what people flagged it would be rude and I'd get flagged :P
I'm merely exploring possibilities
 
6:29 PM
I'm blissfully ignorant to whether any of my messages are flagged.
 
I wish we still had Madara; he wasn't a huge fan of abusing rude flags :(
 
But I like the moderator presence in here :)
 
Yup :)
 
..though one of them may be sleeping now :( Is that even allowed? :D
 
@Scratte Sleeping? You mean the thing martians do at night?
 
6:34 PM
Well anyway ... I'm off down The Pub. (Where I may or may not consume alcoholic beverages.)
 
@AdrianMole D:
 
@AdrianMole Have fun.. get tipsy :)
 
@Scratte Mør eels!
 
@10Rep I'm not sure. I've never seen a martian sleep.
@AdrianMole ..and probably don't review when you get back ;)
 
@Scratte Ok, I did some research, and earthlings don't require it when they are working :D
 
6:43 PM
Unless they are bed-testers. Like: Get a new bed and sleep on it for a week and write a report :)
 
Weird.
 
I imagine they'd get cramps from that :)
 
I don't think those jobs are about sleeping in them though.
 
@Scratte in?
you mean on, right?
 
6:58 PM
If I'm under the covers, I feel like I'm in my bed.
Are you sure it's "on"?
 
Yea, pretty sure.
 
@10Rep lol!.. it says: sleeping in, sitting on :)
 
@Scratte English is weird xd
are you actually sleeping inside the bed?
 
@10Rep Well.. I'm in the bed, yes. I'm not in the mattress though. So I'm on the mattress, but in the bed ;)
 
7:09 PM
Well.. a bed is just a place where you sleep. I can say: My bed is the floor, and it would be correct English. Usually a bed is comprised of furniture, a mattress, sheets, pillows and covers. And sleeping there is usually between the sheet and the cover, no?
 
@Scratte I guess you have a point. But why are we discussing this :p
 
Because you keep replying. Before you were looking like a question-mark, so I felt compelled to explain.
 
@Scratte Yeah, my English is far from good, mainly because it's not my first language. That can be consequential on SO.
 
It's not mine either :)
 
7:31 PM
@10Rep eng is 4th language thats why all pinch me ;D
Newari, Nepali, Bhojpuri, Hindi .................. I start learn english after 8th grade :)
it's 5th not 4th :P
 
user12867493
@Shree No-one is pinching you
 
Every one
 
Not everyone :) Are you pinched on main?
 
Hope you understand my English. I able to program but not able to speak English. I understand loop , API, Array blaa blllaaa blllllla but not English :D
 
English is not logical :D Don't worry.
 
7:42 PM
Daniil yoy want to give answer
https://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/50142839#50142839
 
@RyanM Possible flag-outsourcing: stackoverflow.com/a/63289811/12695027
 
8:09 PM
@Shree don't you worry about it! I'm not a native English speaker yet I can understand what you're saying. Whoever keeps repeatedly complaining that they don't understand (without making an effort to communicate better) is not trying hard enough.
And you're probably better off if you let this incident go. You'll just be annoyed for no reason :)
sometimes people are wrong and there's nothing you can do about it
 
@Shree I was raised in America, but my English is bad :D
I can understand what you say
@Shree Do you know telugu? It's what I speak. I know hindi, though.
 
user12867493
8:56 PM
@AndrasDeak No-one is repeatedly complaining
 

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