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4:20 AM
@AnderBiguri I share your sentiment about being involved with the defense industry, which is why I am very reluctant to apply to jobs in it (although that's where it'd be the most realistic place for me to get a job at the moment).
Also, don't forget that we have a militaristic society with mandatory military service, because we know what happens when we cannot defend ourselves, so this sort of projects are much easier to accept.
And finally - don't you care about the animals?? Surely you don't want drone-mounted AI-controlled machine guns to shoot at innocent boars 🐗🐗🐗
 
 
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8:45 AM
@Dev-iL yes, I realize I live in a very different side of the world...
But ah its just a personal decision 😀
Recently the spanish goverment bought Israeli spy tech to spy on their opossition in the country. Tech is amoral, so I just rather not be involved in military tech, because once it exist, it can be used for good an bad
 
9:43 AM
I find that an interesting discussion. Whenever I'm looking at jobs that might interest me I'think about this. There seem to be many opportunities to work on things that can be used for violence (I'm using that as a very broad term here, not only thinking of weapons but in general technology used in escalating conflicts.), but that are at the same time very interesting in terms of the technology that you work on. And I wonder how much weight I should give that in my considerations.

As an example I once looked into working for the national topographical service (the guys who make surveys an
But so far I never found a satisfying conclusion.
 
After lots of though, my decision is to not work directly with anyone who is doing this for military reasons (defense or ofense, not important)
 
Yeah, I get that. I'm a pacifist, but I also understand why someone like @Dev-iL isrealy appreciative of military things ;)
 
I don't think any country has a department of offense, even though it sometimes seems to be the more fitting name.
 
@flawr some twitter accounts might count as that
 
So I have been working on similar research than my colleages, but they happen to be funded by defense while I was not. In some sense, you can not find tech that can not be used for military, its almost impossible to separate. So for me, as long as what I am doing is not being done explicictly for military purposes, then I am ok. Then who knows, someone might use it for military, but everything can be!
@AndrasDeak lol
 
9:50 AM
Right, but that is what I find so difficult to judge. And I can also understand the position of @Dev-iL, I have the impression many sentiments prevalent in ch are not that different to the ones present in il, even though with a very different backstory.
I just struggly with my personal view about this:)
 
You know, in TIGRE I added arbitrary rotations for the tomograph. I was thinking in medical applications (and in fact, one of the latets papers I am involved in is exactly that), but the first users where USA defense research
In some sense, its both or none, and if I didn't do it, someone else would. I just make the point of not actively doing it for defense, or paid by them. Anything else its out of control, even for something so unrelated to weaponry and intelligence as computed tomography
 
I was also thinking about the research in medicine: It seems the costs for health services are increasing so much and we tend to think of anything that prolonges lives as a good thing but at the same time there seem to be more and more people who cannot afford insurance and actually rising lifespan seems to be a source of many societal problems.
So on the one hand I see progress in medicine as something good for individuals, but at the same time it is not necessarily a positive thing for the society, or humanity in general on this planet.
 
Well, "progress in medicine" is too broad. the proton sources you mentioned the other day are so they kill a tumour withou tdamaging you so you can have a longer, healthy life
but I agree, the current idea of lengthening life, regarthless of the quality of life, is not the best
 
But as far as I know proton therapy is not exactly cheap, right? :)
 
hahah not at all!
but nowadays, most users are young
 
10:02 AM
so I propose we burn all the books, destroy all technology ever created and start from scratch
 
because insurance really. Its mostly used to treat people that will live very long if treatment is succesful
but we are getting into a different discussion, even a deeper one here 😃 If in our society, someones health is "too expensive", what is wrong, the treatment itself, its price, or that we have a society that can put a price to someones life?
but I rather not get in there, unless we move this to philosophy/politics.stackexchange :D
 
Well many people are probably not aware of it, but there are a lot of players that very much do put prices on peoples lives.
 
yeah, but we kinda generally agree that its morally wrong
 
so let's switch back to the topic of new users not using the search for checking for dupes before writing badly worded questions with no MCVEs and and variables named a1,a2,a3,a4,a5,a6,a7? :D
 
Sam
Are CD's still a thing? :p
 
10:11 AM
I do still buy cds:)
 
I havent bought one in YEEEEARS
 
Sam
@AnderBiguri You're the reason HMV went bang!
 
I mainly do it when I discover some small artists on bandcamp when you can directly order from them and maybe also buy some merch or just add a tip.
 
ah, I have bought some digital content tho
@Sam I have no simpathy for big UK chains. UK is full of companies that have taken over the entire country and removed any local independent shops, and now the go bubu because they go banckrupt.
its crazy (compared to spain) how everything in the UK is the same. 95% of UK town city centers are exactly the same shops
 
Sam
Is there something in Spain which stops this from happening? I'd imagine that would be the goal of any growing company
 
10:25 AM
yes there is. For example, in my city, in the old part, there is limited licenses for big chains
because they can increase the rent price ridiculusly to kick all traditional shops
so you need a license to open, and the Major limits them
 
oh that's an interesting idea!
 
Sam
I'm not sure I follow that. How do these limited licenses work?
 
You are from Cardiff right? I was very upset when I went visiting. The city center is quite beatifull, yet 30% of it is a massive shopping center. In spain that would be in the outskirts of the city
@Sam simply you can not open a shop without aproval from the council (I think here too). So simply, aproval is limited
If primark comes with an offer to buy half a neighbourhood for a massive shop, teh council goies: nope, regarthless of how much money you are willing to put
My uncle has a small comic shop. If they needed to fight agains any big chain, thei'd be broke. But no more major chain can open in the area, thus they can afford rent
 
@AnderBiguri a comic shop, how cool is that! :D
 
Sam
Ah i see. I wonder if there are any economic differences from this between the two systems (UK & Spain)? Big companies seem to dodge a lot of tax so maybe it works out for the better
 
10:33 AM
@Sam maybe this results in less GDP in spain, but definetly results in a more fair society (better redistribution of wealth). If each primark was owned by an independent person, maybe the total sum would be less money, but more people would have more money.
this is obvious to me in the UK, the highest levels of poverty I've ever seen in Europe are here in the UK, I was really shocked when I moved here
@flawr I think that was the point, they went "this is cool, lets do it" :D
 
Sam
11:03 AM
@AnderBiguri Is the current Spanish govt left-wing?
 
now it is, but its been right wing for very long and same things happened
 
Sam
ah, we just live in an unfair country then :)
 
Huh, acording to the gini index, Spain is as bad as the UK. Which surprised me, I've never seen as many homeless in spain ever. In Bilbao, there used to be 1 or 2 homeless in the entire city, max. Maybe the north is abit dfifferent than the rest of spain
 
11:27 AM
there's a lot more to inequality than the amount of homeless
We have a lot of homeless, but we have a shitload of people barely making ends meet from day to day. Poverty is so bad that the "people earning under living minimum" statistic was stopped from being reported by the national statistics authority (it would be really bad for propaganda)
 
@AndrasDeak ah certainly, its just the one I can inmediately measure
Southampton was also a very poor city, very sad.
 
The freshest statistic I could find about the statistic I mentioned is 1.4M "households" in 2013, 36% of all "households"
they stopped reporting "living minimum earnings" entirely in 2015
OK, they stopped reporting people under living minimum in 2010, and the earning itself in 2015
 
12:08 PM
did trump learn this strategy from the hungarian government?
 
People will stop being poor at some time
so no need to worry now
 
I mean they could just get a job, right?
 
or at some point they will die and not be poor, so its ok, the problem will resolve itself
 
1:03 PM
posted on July 24, 2020 by Sean de Wolski

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2:14 PM
@Feeds TIL islocalmax from 2017b
 
 
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3:29 PM
I only managed to read your comments now, thank you for your inputs @AnderBiguri @AndrasDeak @flawr
 
ah, they are not necesarily an input 😃 just a discussion that goes nowhere :D
 
yeah, more like rambling :D
 
I'm not judging, just more or less rambling about my own personal choices
 
maybe not the most appropriate choice of words on my part, but I think we're all on the same page
 
@Dev-iL I mostly commented on the ethical aspect. Regarding the challenge itself (i.e. your actual question): I don't think I'd be of much use in a generic data-oriented challenge
 
3:32 PM
I'm hardly an expert on this topic myself
 
@AnderBiguri In Alicante there was always a massive amount of people sitting on the street begging. I bet the regions with better weather get more homeless people. If I were homeless I'd move to the mediterranean coast too.
 
ah maybe yes. But in Bilbao there is very strong social support, you are essentially ensured free food and accomodation
 
not bad
 
@Dev-iL yeah I wasn't necessarily disagreeing 😃 just explaining 😉
 
@AnderBiguri But I think that the Gini index is affected more by how rich the richest people are. Even if everyone has a basic income, if some people make a ton of money, you'll get a high Gini index. Spain has soccer players, musicians and corrupt politicians that have way too much money. Societies with lower Gini indices are those with higher taxes for the rich.
 
3:43 PM
ah that may be
I really have a feel of much less inequality when I am in Bilbao, than anywhere in the UK
 
I certainly believe that. I also think there's lots of variation from one region to the next within Spain. I bet Bilbao is relatively rich compared to a small town in Andalucia.
 
yeah, Bilbao is likely one of the richest areas of Spain, tbh
 
@AnderBiguri how come?
 
Strong industrial past (until 70s/80s lots of coal and heavy iron industry)
that nice coal that Manchester and the north of England is famous for was also in the Basque country
also massive shipyards
then all that broke down (as in england) in the 80s, but they pivoted very good to high tech manufacturing (plus cultiral tourism)
Aparently in architecture there is a term called "gugenheim effect", for when you build something to radically change the culture of the city
named after Bilbao's Guggenheim museum
 
 
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5:41 PM
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5:58 PM
@Dev-iL so I only chipped in because I found the discussion interesting and something that does not get discussed very much, but that I think is something that would be nice to have discussions about!
 
 
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9:32 PM
@AnderBiguri duuude I had no idea you had to work this fast youtube.com/watch?v=pLajmU4TQuI
how insanely good those bearings have to be...
 
from what I've heard they spend a lot of ressources for balancing these toys
 
clearly they should flip it over and have the patient stand in the middle...
 
and remove the covers, as these just add weight and bulk
 
like those potato peeling machines...
 
9:47 PM
to make it more exciting they could add a button near the sensor, and if you manage to press it while it is running you get the scan for free!
 
@AndrasDeak yeah, writting down the value of those pixels at real time is a challenge
hehe
that is a fan beam CT tho, not all of those are equally fast. Those are higher energy and are the general use for diagnosis
The cone beam ones are generaly much smaller and often only use on diagnosis on detal CT, where they cant really go this fast :D
also in the micro-CT world the object rotates and the machine is static, so you cant go very fast XD otherwise you spin whatever you are scanning out of the atmosphere :D
 
10:10 PM
@AnderBiguri huh, interesting
 
 
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11:22 PM
random CT trivia for ya!
likely not interesting XD
 

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